₦airaland Forum

Fejoku:
You're wrong about the Eze title. It is the right word for king in Igbo language. What we may argue about is the concept of kingship as is widely held by others. Igbos by default don't subscribe to kingship with absolute powers. The few kings like Eze Obi Ossai of Aboh and Jaja of Opobo were only revered because of how strong they were possessing both armed men and much wealth that caused fear among any would-be dissidents. Other Igbo kings were either powerful priests like Eze Nri or ceremonial like Obi of Onitsha or Eze Aro. Most other unknown Igbo kings were mostly ceremonial. If you ask the Nnewi people, they will tell you their kingship stool has been around before the British came. How come were such kings not known or recognized? It's simply because they were ceremonial without absolute powers to command any person to be put to death. This is the type of leadership that sits more comfortable with our people.
Obi of Aboh(I don't know the specific one you're speaking of) wasn't any warrant chief. The most famous of all the Ezes of Aboh being Eze Obi Ossai, died in the early 1840s. His son Eze Obi Chukwuma succeeded him. This one wasn't as strong and influential as his father. He did welcome the British especially the missionaries as his father advised him.

You must be talking from a Nollywood point of view.
All the people you listed were all warrant chiefs (with exception of Jaja who was a mere beaurocrat) which the British later abolished in 1929

Aketi2:
Agreed that no system is perfect.

Are you saying the Shariah is not perfect too?


I agree with you that the people deserve the government of their choice.

How do we determine if the Muslims truly want Shariah without a ballot?

Sharia is tradition,culture and way of life.

You are born inside your tradition

huptin:
Please check how many American troops are stationed in those countries. Google(ironically owned by Christians) is your friend.

There are none.

Google is owned by jews

BKayy:
You must be talking from a Nollywood point of view.
All the people you listed were all warrant chiefs (with exception of Jaja who was a mere beaurocrat) which the British later abolished in 1929

You don't know history so it's best you avoid this history. Obi Ossai was so powerful that the British had to send an advance party to get clearance before they head to Aboh. How can you now claim he was a warrant chief ( instituted by the British)?. It's better you go and read up more on our history. Like I said, kingship among Igbos wasn't something we celebrated. It was more of a religious head assumed a communal leader or a ceremonial position. Warrant chiefs started after the partitioning of Africa in the Berlin conference.

thebosstrevor1:
There are none.

Google is owned by jews

Loool. America has a defence pact with those countries, infact that pact is the major reason for the unrest and terrorism in the Middle east, you should read further, whether google is owned by the jews is immaterial. We are one. I look forward to the day moslems will start contributing something meaningful to the world.. We are tired of violence and terroris...aren't u ashamed?

Fejoku:
You don't know history so it's best you avoid this history. Obi Ossai was so powerful that the British had to send an advance party to get clearance before they head to Aboh. How can you now claim he was a warrant chief ( instituted by the British)?. It's better you go and read up more on our history. Like I said, kingship among Igbos wasn't something we celebrated. It was more of a religious head assumed a communal leader or a ceremonial position. Warrant chiefs started after the partitioning of Africa in the Berlin conference.

Mtcheww... I think I have explained this your confusion somewhere.
I don't have energy to repeat it. Just read about the Warri protest in early 20th century and the warrant chiefs the protest was against.
I don't have time to clarify Nollywood induced history today

BKayy:
Mtcheww... I think I have explained this your confusion somewhere.
I don't have energy to repeat it. Just read about the Warri protest in early 20th century and the warrant chiefs the protest was against.
I don't have time to clarify Nollywood induced history today

You don't know history nwanna. We are talking about mid 19th century yet here you are telling us about early 20th century. When was Nana of Itsekiri deposed and Dore Numa appointed as Warrant Chief? I know this topic more than you. Allow the matter to die.
Some Igbo clans had kings but such kings weren't absolute as is found other places. History recorded the interaction the Europeans had with such men. If Eze Obi Ossai and Jaja of Opobo weren't recorded, you would have argued if such men ever existed.
Go and read up about the British expedition on the River Niger in the early 19th century. There you will learn more about our people.
A lot of Igbos don't know much about our history.

huptin:
Loool. America has a defence pact with those countries, infact that pact is the major reason for the unrest and terrorism in the Middle east, you should read further, whether google is owned by the jews is immaterial. We are one. I look forward to the day moslems will start contributing something meaningful to the world.. We are tired of violence and terroris...aren't u ashamed?

So defence pact means the United states is protecting those countries??

The defense pact is all about selling weapons and training of which most countries are participants, it is like a military defense bilateral relations.

Mr, jews and Christians aren't one, the jews hate Christians and persecute them in isreal.

thebosstrevor1:
So defence pact means the United states is protecting those countries??

The defense pact is all about selling weapons and training of which most countries are participants, it is like a military defense bilateral relations.

Mr, jews and Christians aren't one, the jews hate Christians and persecute them in isreal.

1. There are American troops stationed in those countries as i speak, in peace time it is about trainings and exchange of intelligence, any one that attacks any of those countries attacks America, America will not hesitate to defend its allies, it has said so several times.

2. True, we know it, Jews have been persecuting Christians since time immemorial but we love them, we are one, our religion tells us to conquer hate with love. We don't hate moslems too, we believe we are one but we destest the violence associated with Islam and the blood thirsty nature of some moslems no matter how few they are.

Religion should bring peace and progress not violence and bloddshed.

thebosstrevor1:
Democracy is just the present religion of Christian nations, they spread it with wars, sanctions and propaganda.

If it was so good then other countries will have been adopting it with no issue but you are forced to adopt it or else you will die or your country destroyed.

Christian nations have been fighting the non believing nations because they didn't adopt their democracy religion, what have they achieved? profit from wars, death of non believers, destruction and total collapse of nations, they keep disturbing world peace and endangering people

Pls shut up and stop spreading your dangerous propaganda, Saudi Arabia, UAR, Jordan, Swaziland, Morocco, Thailand etc are all practicing Monarchial system of Government and nobody has destroyed their Countrie.


Christianity is about the teaching of Christ and Christ never mentioned anything about Politics, Government or concerned himself with wordly affairs.

BKayy:
When you talk about Christianity in Nigeria, who do you refer to?
I don't think it's the people one of their own is the CEO of MURIC

Stop being silly, it's wrong to assume that Christianity = Igbo

thebosstrevor1:
Sorry sir.

Democracy is a Christian concept, founded on Christian principles. Even in the bible, there are passages backing it up.

You obviously don't know what you are talking about.


Different culture have systems that allow people to contribute to their governance and this is democracy.

In the Old Oyo Empire which had nothing to do with Christianity, there were elements of Democracy.

thebosstrevor1:
The bible is not just a story book but a book where ideas are gotten from, it is also a book where you learn ancient wisdom, system of government and how to rule and organize society

Where in the Bible did Christ talk about any system of Government?

Where in the Bible did they talk about democracy?


Christianity is about the teaching of Christ.

Abohboy:
Go and read about Baghdad at it's peak and the golden age of Islam google is your friend.

The numerals we use today were made in India but spread by the Arabs they were a bridge between Asia and the Western World

You're really going to ignore how Spain owned 20% of the world at a time it was once a world superpower also the Islamic Moors did a lot for Spain and if you bothered to use google you'd see why

Islamic radicalization I have no clue of how it started but Islam is not just bloodshed and inshallah as far as I know there's a source of the violence and it isn't always Islam

I am not Muslim I am a Christian who just reads about African Religions and enjoys history

Islam has been associated with violence from it's inception and the cause is the environment where it originated.

You can't divorce a man from his background.

Prophet Muhammed was born, grew-up and lived in the 7th century Arabian societies in the Al-Hijaz.

Life in that Region in the 7th century was harsh with few resources to sustain large population so people bounded to their kinds for protection, survival and struggle against competitors. Violence was not only permissible but very necessary in this environment.


The problem with the Religion is the failure of Islamic Fundamentalists to modernize and realize that certain seemly religious acts or decrees in the Qur'an and the Haddiths were inspired to solve the problems at the time but not a permanent solutions for all generations.

Op go and read about the origin of the crusades

Fejoku:
You don't know history nwanna. We are talking about mid 19th century yet here you are telling us about early 20th century. When was Nana of Itsekiri deposed and Dore Numa appointed as Warrant Chief? I know this topic more than you. Allow the matter to die.
Some Igbo clans had kings but such kings weren't absolute as is found other places. History recorded the interaction the Europeans had with such men. If Eze Obi Ossai and Jaja of Opobo weren't recorded, you would have argued if such men ever existed.
Go and read up about the British expedition on the River Niger in the early 19th century. There you will learn more about our people.
A lot of Igbos don't know much about our history.

Never learn Igbo history from Wikipedia or some journals by Anglophilic people.
If you are conversant with Igbo history you will realise that there was a mad obsession in trying to make our history, political structure and way of life look like that of our neighbours because then they thought that was the thing. They never saw the sophistication of our Democratic lifestyle until date.
Such obsession brought about;
1) Communities being founded by one man
2) ERI being the father of all Ndigbo
3) One king like that existing and names made up to back it up
4) Now the new one is Ndigbo being of Jewish origin.
It was the same obsession that made NCNC reinstate Traditional Rulers in 1950, almost 30 years after abolition by the British. The result was that most of the reinstated were sons of former ones abolished on seat, thus bringing about the lie that some monarchy was hereditary in Alaigbo. This didn't last long until the military cemented it in 1975 with their decree.
Like I told him (Abohboy) before, you as well should investigate.
What you read online is not the real Igbo history or even close to it.
That was how they lied of Eze Nri, Aro and Onitsha being ancient kingdoms until that one was demystified.
Investigate

Democracy is HUMAN quest for freedom and inclusion, and not a Christian idealogy.

you sounded like a terrorist though, no offense

thebosstrevor1:
The richest nation on earth is a muslim nation called Qatar.

All african Christians are running to the middle east to find for opportunities. You will them in saudi Arabia, Jordan, qatar,UAE, kuwait and these country have 1 thing in common they practice monarchy not democracy

Qatar isn't the richest nation on earth by intellect. But by being lucky with an incrediblly large crude oil deposit.
So therefore it is rich despite being a Muslim country, not because of it.

BKayy:
Never learn Igbo history from Wikipedia or some journals by Anglophilic people.
If you are conversant with Igbo history you will realise that there was a mad obsession in trying to make our history, political structure and way of life look like that of our neighbours because then they thought that was the thing. They never saw the sophistication of our Democratic lifestyle until date.
Such obsession brought about;
1) Communities being founded by one man
2) ERI being the father of all Ndigbo
3) One king like that existing and names made up to back it up
4) Now the new one is Ndigbo being of Jewish origin.
It was the same obsession that made NCNC reinstate Traditional Rulers in 1950, almost 30 years after abolition by the British. The result was that most of the reinstated were sons of former ones abolished on seat, thus bringing about the lie that some monarchy was hereditary in Alaigbo. This didn't last long until the military cemented it in 1975 with their decree.
Like I told him (Abohboy) before, you as well should investigate.
What you read online is not the real Igbo history or even close to it.
That was how they lied of Eze Nri, Aro and Onitsha being ancient kingdoms until that one was demystified.
Investigate

While I understand your scepticism concerning revisionists who want to doctor our history to suit a certain narrative for their own purpose, I admonish you to make some research through journals and other historical records that were done in the early 19th century down to the end of that century. For your information, I don't source my records from Wikipedia.
There's a book I came across while I was in the Library in the SE. It was about the Nri Priest who the European author exclaimed and referred to as the king of all Igbos. He was like 'at last, I've found the king of all Igbos'. It was in the early 20th century. While he isn't right in his declaration, one can understand what informed his statement. The ubiquity of the Nri men in many Igbo communities scattered on both sides of the Niger river playing important roles suggests that such a man should rightly be referred to as the king of all Ndigbo.
Ezearo on the other hand was of no much importance but rather ceremonial. The Aro tentacle that permeated most of Eastern Nigeria never bore the strength and authority of a single man like is written of famous kings in history. In all of Igbo land, only two men fit such positions because of the army they controlled. Eze Obi Ossai in the first quarter 1800s and Jaja of Opobo in the last quarter of that century. Both were widely known and respected because of what they could do and undo. They were kings in their own right but none wielded power as to cover even 1/40 of Igboland. This is why it's said that Igbos had no kings. These ones should not be mistaken in the calibre of such figures as Nwiboko of the Izzi area. He was of mid 20th century during the haydays of the British instituted warrant chiefs.
Argue no further nwanna. Go and read up on old records that predates the partitioning of Africa in 1885 by Europeans. Before then, no European exercised any military power in Eastern Nigeria and the entire Niger Delta.

barojana:
Qatar isn't the richest nation on earth by intellect. But by being lucky with an incrediblly large crude oil deposit.
So therefore it is rich despite being a Muslim country, not because of it.

Trying to twist everything because of your bias against muslims.

The ppp of qatar is about 92k. Have you been to doha before, please do visit one day.

Qatar have been able to turn their oil into economic success, no wonder the Christian convert from the south are running there

Wisdomuchendu:
Democracy is HUMAN quest for freedom and inclusion, and not a Christian idealogy.

you sounded like a terrorist though, no offense

Democracy has nothing to do with freedom.

Democracy is a competition contest, a herd mentality game, the majority wins against the minority

oyatz:
Where in the Bible did Christ talk about any system of Government?

Where in the Bible did they talk about democracy?


Christianity is about the teaching of Christ.

I say most Christian converts in Nigeria, don't understand the bible, they read the surface and not the deep meaning of things.

The bible deals with politics, leadership, loyalty, how citizens are suppose to behave and lot more.

Western civilization is based on Christian values from the bible.

oyatz:
You obviously don't know what you are talking about.


Different culture have systems that allow people to contribute to their governance and this is democracy.

In the Old Oyo Empire which had nothing to do with Christianity, there were elements of Democracy.

You don't know what you are typing.

Different cultures have their own systems of governance and it wasn't democracy.

Every culture isn't the same, each has its own unique system of governance that keeps society intact

huptin:
1. There are American troops stationed in those countries as i speak, in peace time it is about trainings and exchange of intelligence, any one that attacks any of those countries attacks America, America will not hesitate to defend its allies, it has said so several times.

2. True, we know it, Jews have been persecuting Christians since time immemorial but we love them, we are one, our religion tells us to conquer hate with love. We don't hate moslems too, we believe we are one but we destest the violence associated with Islam and the blood thirsty nature of some moslems no matter how few they are.

Religion should bring peace and progress not violence and bloddshed.

There are no American troops in saudi arabia or in uae and in qatar.

American troops are located in muslim countries were they invaded

oyatz:
Islam has been associated with violence from it's inception and the cause is the environment where it originated.

You can't divorce a man from his background.

Prophet Muhammed was born, grew-up and lived in the 7th century Arabian societies in the Al-Hijaz.

Life in that Region in the 7th century was harsh with few resources to sustain large population so people bounded to their kinds for protection, survival and struggle against competitors. Violence was not only permissible but very necessary in this environment.


The problem with the Religion is the failure of Islamic Fundamentalists to modernize and realize that certain seemly religious acts or decrees in the Qur'an and the Haddiths were inspired to solve the problems at the time but not a permanent solutions for all generations.

Mohammed was a christian as well you're aware of that right? And times in Israel when Jesus came and in Egypt when Moses was there were ten times worse then what happened in the 7th century so stop with your foolish ramblings the fact that this belief has stretched so deeply into the minds of people is scary i'm not amuslim personally but I have many family members who are and I can say with confidence that a lot of them are more calm and peaceful then most christians that i've met you know why? Because religion has nothing to do with attitude and violence it is simply the belief of that singular person.

If you know the meaning of "CRUSADER" you won't be typing this rubbish.

Abohboy:
Mohammed was a christian as well you're aware of that right? And times in Israel when Jesus came and in Egypt when Moses was there were ten times worse then what happened in the 7th century so stop with your foolish ramblings the fact that this belief has stretched so deeply into the minds of people is scary i'm not amuslim personally but I have many family members who are and I can say with confidence that a lot of them are more calm and peaceful then most christians that i've met you know why? Because religion has nothing to do with attitude and violence it is simply the belief of that singular person.

Learn to be civil in your response next time.

My post is about ISLAM. If you want to refute what I wrote, you can adduce alternative explanations instead of bringing about extraneous issues like the problems in Christianity or in the life and times of Moses.

You can write an independent post on whatever you think is wrong with Moses, Jesus Christ, Israel or Christianity.