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Barristter07:
All judgement was entrusted to him remember ? This is why he could give Life after judging someone Worthing of it.

He was given that authority.

John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes.

John 5:21 calls u a liar

I believe there is a difference between whom he wishes and someone worthy of it.

Emusan:
I've showed you why there's no sin in Him because that was the Father' place of dwelling to accomplish the redemption work.

If Jesus was not prone to sin, why was it be able to take the sin of the whole world?

Don't turn blind eyes to that question.

I've explained this several times just that your blocked head refused to grab it.

We human are only sin during our lifetime but our NATURE only make it possible because it's prone to sin and evil.

So what God did was to create a body prone to sin and death BUT IMMEDIATELY TOOK OVER IT before it get corrupted by way of living then when the time comes to accomplish its(the body) purpose, the God left it so that it can be prone to sin.

I know my explanation is so straight forward but because your father the Devil lives in you, you won't accept.

The point is there is no sin in him which is not the same for his brother's. Sin lives in them. So they do not possess the same quality.

Now back to the verse that said Made like them in every way, This Difference you highlighted made it clear that Form of servant talk about was a reference to appearance. Not the servants sinful nature.

If you refer to the qualities - his brothers were born into sin, with nothing good living in them, sin rules, and he must be like them too in every way.

freshboi88:
John 5:21 For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, so also the Son gives life to whom He wishes.
John 5:21 calls u a liar
I believe there is a difference between whom he wishes and someone worthy of it.

English language is simple enough, If he wishes someone has life, it means he judge them worthy. If I wish to give someone a gift, it means I judge them worthy of receiving it. Jesus can't do nothing or grant anyone life until he was given the ability to Judge

Emusan:
Where did I prove the @underlined

Lying liar looking for a way out, I understand

Daniel 7:14 spoke about Authority given to him, was that something he already has or a prophecy ?

You said it's a prophecy connected his life as human.

Which means prior to being human, Jesus doesn't have any authority.

So don't be mentioning incarnation, Christ possess no authority before coming to earth in the first place .

Barristter07:
The point is there is no sin in him which is not the same for his brother's. Sin lives in them. So they do not possess the same quality.

If I call you oponu now, it'll look like insult.

Sin lives in them doesn't MEANS THE HAVE DIFFERENT NATURE. They still both human.

Now back to the verse that said Made like them in every way, This Difference you highlighted made it clear that Form of servant talk about was a reference to appearance. Not the servants sinful nature.

He was made like His brother.in every way that is THERE'S NOTHING THAT MAKE SOMEONE HUMAN that wasn't in Christ the same thing Phil 2:6 talked about.

If you refer to the qualities - his brothers were born into sin, with nothing good living in them, sin rules, and he must be like them too in every way.

You still don't get it!

Barristter07:
Just as those humans called Sharers of Divine nature are equal to God by nature.

Correct ?

smh. Dodging as usual.

Sharing in the divine nature does not mean possessing the very nature of God, what it means is that by possessing his life and godliness, Christians share in the nature of God.

Sharing or partaking in something does not means possessing the full characteristics of it.

Compare it with these verse below

Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hebrews just as 1 peter clarified the extent to which Jesus partook of the same nature by taking on the natural body, this made Jesus a mortal man.

Barristter07:
Daniel 7:14 spoke about Authority given to him, was that something he already has or a prophecy ?

You said it's a prophecy connected his life as human.

Which means prior to being human, Jesus doesn't have any authority.

So don't be mentioning incarnation, Christ possess no authority before coming to earth in the first place .

Lol...

See ignorance!

Daniel 7 is about the Messianic prophecy which is what the Messiah will do and accomplished as in His HUMAN NATURE not WHO THE MESSIAH is before coming to earth.

Olodo....

Anyway, 1 John 1:2 again from your darling translation CEV: The one who gives life appeared! We saw it happen, and we are witnesses to what we have seen. Now we are telling you about this eternal life that was with the Father and appeared to us.

Emusan:
If I call you oponu now, it'll look like insult.
Sin lives in them doesn't MEANS THE HAVE DIFFERENT NATURE. They still both human.
He was made like His brother.in every way that is THERE'S NOTHING THAT MAKE SOMEONE HUMAN that wasn't in Christ the same thing Phil 2:6 talked about.

You still don't get it!

This is the meaning of Nature .

Nature meaning

" the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something . "

Do you accept the inherent features and character/qualities are not the same with his brother's ?

The second option is that which relate to form/appearance.

Emusan:
Lol...

See ignorance!

Daniel 7 is about the Messianic prophecy which is what the Messiah will do and accomplished as in His HUMAN NATURE not WHO THE MESSIAH is before coming to earth.


Olodo....

Anyway, 1 John 1:2 again from your darling translation CEV: The one who gives life appeared! We saw it happen, and we are witnesses to what we have seen. Now we are telling you about this eternal life that was with the Father and appeared to us.

Do you give someone the authority and power they already possess ?

Read the highlighted, you seem do be sleeping when typing that.

Again Christ has no authority before coming to earth.

Barristter07:
English language is simple enough, If he wishes someone has life, it means he judge them worthy. If I wish to give someone a gift, it means I judge them worthy of receiving it. Jesus can't do nothing or grant anyone life until he was given the ability to Judge

Jesus you too lie

Pls can u quote where the Bible says Jesus was given the ability to Judge.

Notice how this serpent has changed language of scripture to distort the essence and meaning of that verse.....very serpent like. Pls quote where the Bible said he was given the ability to judge

The bible said all judgement was entrusted to the Son not the ability to Judge.

A task is given to someone who already has the ability to carryout that task isn't it.......I catch u there

livingchrist:
smh. Dodging as usual.

Sharing in the divine nature does not mean possessing the very nature of God, what it means is that by possessing his life and godliness, Christians share in the nature of God.

Sharing or partaking in something does not means possessing the full characteristics of it.

Compare it with these verse below

Hebrews 2:14
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Hebrews just as 1 peter clarified the extent to which Jesus partook of the same nature by taking on the natural body , this made Jesus a mortal man.

So in short you are saying partake means to Share an appearance but not the full characteristic . Exactly the same with Jesus , he share a similar appearance with God but not his full characteristic. This is why Jesus prior to coming on Earth had no authority and it wasn't until after he was raised up that the had immortality.

So equality by nature is just a matter of appearance NOT full characteristic.

Barristter07:
This is the meaning of Nature .

Nature meaning

" the basic or inherent features, character, or qualities of something . "

Do you accept the inherent features and character/qualities are not the same with his brother's ?

The second option is that which relate to form/appearance.

I asked a question that time which I even emphasize that you shouldn't turn your blind eyes to, yet you did and now come back to spew thrashes.

Why was Jesus' body was able to take the sin of the whole world, if His body isn't prone to sin and the same with his brothers?

Lemme add this, why was the body able to die if it's not the same with his brothers?

Phil 2:6 again confirmed that Jesus is exactly God by having the same nature. No how you can twist that.

freshboi88:
Jesus you too lie

Pls cannu quote where the Bible says Jesus was given the ability to Judge.

Notice how this serpent has changed language of scripture to distort the essence and meaning of that verse.....very serpent like. Pls quote where the Bible said he was given the ability to judge

Father entrust all judgement to the son means what ?

Barristter07:
Father entrust all judgement to the son means what ?

The task was given not the ability.

MuMu two different things.

A task is given to a person that already has the ability to carry out that task

Barristter07:
Father entrust all judgement to the son means what ?

Oga give u something make u type for office is it the same thing as giving u the ability to type it ?

Emusan:
I asked a question that time which I even emphasize that you shouldn't turn your blind eyes to, yet you did and now come back to spew thrashes.

Why was Jesus' body was able to take the sin of the whole world, if His body isn't prone to sin and the same with his brothers?

Lemme add this, why was the body able to die if it's not the same with his brothers?

Phil 2:6 again confirmed that Jesus is exactly God by having the same nature. No how you can twist that.

Philippians relate to APPEARANCE. Unless you can say he took the inherent features and characteristic of his brothers. There was NO sin in him. Not the same qualities.

Jesus exist in God's appearance , then later exist in human Appearance. This human appearance enable him to die. You can't nail a spirit body. You can only nail a flesh subjected to the law of physical world with blood running through it's Vein. To burst your bubble further. If he wasn't forcefully killed, he can live forever on Earth as a young man. He is not subject to aging or sickness which eventually lead to death of his brothers

Barristter07:
Do you give someone the authority and power they already possess ?

Oponu....

Wasn't the scripture said Jesus set it aside which is in confirmation with the prophecy of Daniel?

Read the highlighted, you seem do be sleeping when typing that.

Again Christ has no authority before coming to earth.

I'm not it's you who was drunk in deep sleep while reading it.


He is the authority. So you cry back to your father the devil who actually wants to snatch the same authority through back door

Emusan:
Oponu....

Wasn't the scripture said Jesus set it aside which is in confirmation with the prophecy of Daniel?



I'm not it's you who was drunk in deep sleep while reading it.


He is the authority. So you cry back to your father the devil who actually wants to snatch the same authority through back door

Set what aside ?

This is Philippians

" rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant "

This is mentioning his change of appearance and form. Setting aside the form that has the likeness of God. .

It's his form he set aside, this text said nothing about him having any authority. You already confess that authority doesn't exist when he was in heaven, it's a prophecy. And you can't give someone what they already possess.

freshboi88:
Oga give u something make u type for office is it the same thing as giving u the ability to type it ?

Hello, you can't use that ability unless you are granted permission. That's what the Father gave him. Permission. Without it he can't judge anyone worthy of getting life from him even if he wishes to

Christ rely on Father's permission to act.

freshboi88:
The task was given not the ability.

MuMu two different things.

A task is given to a person that already has the ability to carry out that task

Why should someone that possess automatic authority be given anything ?

Barristter07:
Philippians relate to APPEARANCE. Unless you can say he took the inherent features and characteristic of his brothers. There was NO sin in him. Not the same qualities. Jesus exist in God's appearance , then later exist in human Appearance. This human appearance enable him to die. You can't nail a spirit body. You can only nail a flesh subjected to the law of physical world with blood running through it's Vein. To burst your bubble further. If he wasn't forcefully killed, he can live forever on Earth as a young man. He is not subject to aging or sickness which eventually lead to death of his brothers

You haven't answered my questions.

Barristter07:
Hello, you can't use that ability unless you are granted permission. That's what the Father gave him. Permission. Without it he can't judge anyone worthy of getting life from him even if he wishes to

Christ rely on Father's permission to act.

No rush. one after the other. So let's agree on somethings


1. Do u now agree that he was given the task and not the ability ?

If do not agree....can u state where it says he was given the ability?

2. Do u now agree that a task is given to someone who already has the ability to perform that task ?

Barristter07:
Set what aside ?

This is Philippians

"rather, he made himself nothing
by taking the very nature of a servant "

This is mentioning his change of appearance and form. Setting aside the form that has the likeness of God. .

It's his form he set aside, this text said nothing about him having any authority. You already confess that authority doesn't exist when he was in heaven, it's a prophecy. And you can't give someone what they already possess.

Lying liar, He made HIMSELF NOTHING!

Do you understand that?

To take the form of servant means he is now ready to live as someone under control.

Oponu...

Emusan:
You haven't answered my questions.

For a fact that body of Jesus cannot die or get sick unless forcefully killed which will lead to death due to physical laws, If untouched , no aging, no death, there is no sin in him , so he can't die by aging


he is definitely not in the same league with his brother's as far as inherent nature and characteristic is concerned. He won't age.

He was made in the form of a servant , like his brother's in every way by virtue of appearance not inherent nature/characteristics.

This apply to existing in the Form of God.

Philippians is all about Appearance! That's the point.

Emusan:
Lying liar, He made HIMSELF NOTHING!
Do you understand that?
To take the form of servant means he is now ready to live as someone under control.

Oponu...

Nothing BY taking another form ?

It's right there. It was reffering to change of appearance. Christ has no authority before coming to earth!

He can't be given what he already possess, to shred your lies about it's his function as Messiah not who he is.

Barristter07:
For a fact that body of Jesus cannot die or get sick unless forcefully killed which will lead to death due to physical laws, If untouched , no aging, no death, there is no sin in him , so he can't die by aging


he is definitely not in the same league with his brother's as far as inherent nature and characteristic is concerned. He won't age.

He was made in the form of a servant , like his brother's in every way by virtue of appearance not inherent nature/characteristics.

This apply to existing in the Form of God.

Philippians is all about Appearance! That's the point.

You haven't answered my questions!

Barristter07:
Why should someone that possess automatic authority be given anything ?

My earthly father can give me authority to control his possessions because I have the ability to wield that authority.

My father can denigrate that authority to his dog or his cat...can he ?

The fact that Jesus has that ability actually backtracks and proves the trinity

Barristter07:
Nothing BY taking another form ?

It's right there. It was reffering to change of appearance. Christ has no authority before coming to earth!

He can't be given what he already possess, to shred your lies about it's his function as Messiah not who he is.

CEV: Instead he gave up everything and became a slave, when he became like one of us.

freshboi88:
No rush. one after the other. So let's agree on somethings
1. Do u now agree that he was given the task and not the ability ?
If do not agree....can u state where it says he was given the ability?
2. Do u now agree that a task is given to someone who already has the ability to perform that task ?

Both task and ability was given him. This is why the Father is his God and he exist in the Father's image according to scripture , existing in someone image means that person gave you all you have, just like us existing in God's image means God gave us all our abilities and talents.

Emusan:
CEV: Instead he gave up everything and became a slave, when he became like one of us.

Nothing like this existed in the manuscript.

He emptied himself, when he took the form of a servant. The previous verse already mentioned what he emptied. His Appearance/form of God.

Barristter07:
Both task and ability was given him. This is why the Father is his God and he exist in the Father's image according to scripture , existing in someone image means that person gave you all you have, just like us existing in God's image means God gave us all our abilities and talents.

Jehovah is our God, do u have the power to give life been given to u ?

We are made in the image of God has judgment of all men been entrusted to u ?

freshboi88:
My earthly father can give me authority to control his possessions because I have the ability to wield that authority.

My father can denigrate that authority to his dog or his cat...can he ?

The fact that Jesus has that ability actually backtracks and proves the trinity

It prove nothing if he needed to be given authority before he could judge.