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freshboi88:
Jehovah is our God, do u have the power to give life been given to u ?

We are made in the image of God has judgment of all men been entrusted to u ?

Barristter07:
It prove nothing if he needed to be given authority before he could judge.

Barristter07:
Nothing like this existed in the manuscript.

He emptied himself, when he took the form of a servant. The previous verse already mentioned what he emptied. His Appearance/form of God.

Barristter07:
Still the point. It's all about who God gave the permission and ability.

Jehovah has not granted me, But he Granted Jesus . That's the point.

Emusan:
But when your translation added the word "OTHER" it existed in the manuscript bah

See denial of CEV now
He gave up EVERYTHING or set aside, that is the point of that verse.

Emusan:
But when your translation added the word "OTHER" it existed in the manuscript bah

See denial of CEV now



He gave up EVERYTHING or set aside, that is the point of that verse.

freshboi88:
My boss grants me the permission or authority to sack or hire
..does it make my boss a greater human being than I am ?

Barristter07:
He has Nothing of authority before coming to earth. Your point is baseless. What he set aside was himself existing in the appearance of God. You can't gave up what you don't have in the first place

Emusan:
He set aside EVERYTHING.
Including his name as Micheal or was he also Michael on earth?

Barristter07:
Going by appearance, you are the same. Just as God and his angels are all the same by Spirit person appearance.

Going by ranks , that's the point of emphasis I will like to talk about.

freshboi88:
We are not equal by appearance alone but by our nature.... what makes us equal is our humanity. Isn't it ? It is this equality that gives my boss the ability denigrate all authority to me....just as he cannot give such authority to a dog. Because a dog is of a lesser nature to a human being.

So also The Father can give all authority to the Son because of their equal nature as God.

The boss ranks higher than the employee in authority yes...but it doesn't change the equality of their humanity.

So u see your arguement is dead


So same applies to God

KNOWMORE56:
"So what are the THINGS Jesus sees the Father doing that Jesus can do also?"

Which of them will answer... lol

I have many questions for them but they don't answer questions... except copying their organization answers and paste here.

This issue of worship that maxInDHouse and his fellow worshipper of watch Tower, barristter07, are talking about is the Word...

By the way, I have similar question about this "Jesus is created"

They claim it is Jesus speaking in Proverbs 8.

Since He is the only Being created by the Father, and the speaker in Proverbs 8 says:

Proverbs 8:26 "KJV: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world.
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KJV: When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:
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KJV: When he established the clouds above: when he strengthened the fountains of the deep:
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KJV: When he gave to the sea his decree, [b/] that the waters should not pass his commandment: [b] when he appointed the foundations of the earth:

Who is this He, is it Jesus speaking of the Father or another being speaking of Jesus, "the creator of all other things"?

cc: Janosky, maxInDHouse, canticles, captivator,barristter07,haddeylium, peacefulworld01,tamyfire, fengchui...

Barristter07:
Do you know he Said he can command angels to rescue him at the night of his trial ? He was still in control

What he set aside was his appearance in the likeness of God. That Philippians is clear enough

[s]And as far as humans are concerned, he had no authority over them before coming to earth - Daniel 7:14[/s]

Bishopkingsley:
In the old testament why did Jehovah not say Michael is the Savior since there was Michael since creation

Through out the Bible what you will see is Jehovah is the Savior and Jesus is the Savior

Michael is never in the equation.
Bible state that God don't trust his angels and watches them to make sure they don't do errors

Lack of knowledge is killing JW

achorladey:
This verse you cite ehn na like this dem dey see am


1. Personification does not prove personality for HOLY SPIRIT

2. Personification does prove personality for Jesus.

Ask them where I got that from. If you understand this, shikena.

achorladey:
It is more like Jehovah and Jesus can or might disagree or fight in the future. You never can tell

Janosky:
Luke 11:20 , Matthew 12:28, Genesis 1:2, holy spirit is God's finger.
Did you see "THE" attached to "ruach" spirit @ Hebrew lexicon of Genesis 1:2?
Why are you not honest?
It is holy spirit @ Genesis 1:2, Jesus explained it's finger of God @ Luke 11:20 , Matt12:28,
Is Jesus is LYING?
Do you know Scriptures more than Jesus?

[b]Spirit itself @ Romans 8:16,26 KJV before una change am.

Luke 7:35, Wisdom has many children?
Is Wisdom a person?
In your Bible sin seduces, is sin a person?
Death stings is death a person?

Greek word for "Helper" is masculine gender at John 14:16-17, holy spirit is personified as helper and as "guide" @ John 16:12-15.
The same manner Jesus personified Wisdom @luke 7:35.
Your Church microphone speaks? Is it a person?

Your phone speak? Is it a person?

Why do you jump up and not stay up?
Is a force at work?

In your Bible, Exodus 33:15-20, JEHOVAH had one on one conversation with Moses.
In your Bible, @ Matthew 16:13-17, Jesus had one on one conversation with Peter.

Bros, use your Bible can you show this forum, where holy spirit had one on one conversation with any believer?
From Genesis to Revelation, there is none.
Why ?

Psalms 110:1, Ephesians 1:20, Jesus sits at his Father's right hand.
Bros, who is sitting at God's left hand?
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Emusan:
Liar! He said He can ask His Father.

Which means, he wasn't on earth with such power.

What of the name MICHAEL?

Was he also Michael on earth

Thrash...

DappaD:
Barristter07 handling four people at a time.
I doff cap for this boss!

Barristter07:
If the angels were sent to earth , Who will control them ?

Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?

The same way he wasn't called Emmanuel , doesn't mean that's not his name .

Point remains what he emptied was his appearance in the likeness of God.

Philippians is all about Appearance, that is why taking the form of servant doesn't mean taking the inherent features of his sinful brothers.

Barristter07:
So in short you are saying partake means to Share an appearance but not the full characteristic . Exactly the same with Jesus , he share a similar appearance with God but not his full characteristic. This is why Jesus prior to coming on Earth had no authority and it wasn't until after he was raised up that the had immortality.

So equality by nature is just a matter of appearance NOT full characteristic.

DappaD:
Haba. Up to 7 people at once.
Barristter07 you get beef with all these people so? because when freshboi88 was getting his butt whooped, none of his friends came to bail him out so I’m shocked why they’re all after you like this.

Emusan:
One thing is to lie another thing is to acknowledge your lies when you're caught.

Your claimed was Do you know he Said he can command angels to rescue him at the night of his trial?"

It's obvious He didn't claim to have power to do that.

You're caught on this lie openly.

At least there's evidence that HE GAVE UP EVERYTHING including His name MICHAEL

livingchrist:
Barrister from one lie to another, when did I say to partake means to share in appearance, so you mean Jehovah's nature is only an appearance not real?

Who told you Jesus didnt have authority before becoming a man.

John 17:5
And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
Notice Jesus didnt say God the father should glorify him with the glory that he gave him

But rather with the glory he has with the father, this is equality in full.

Jesus glory is before even creation began, in combination with the fact that all the father has actually belongs to Jesus. Jesus co own everything with the father.

All God the father does is to glory Jesus and all Jesus does is to glorify the father, even as they play different roles, because at the e d it is God working everything according to his divine counsel and for his glory.

The Trinity is heavily backed up by scripture, Jehovah witness organisation are only denying biblical reality to hold on to delusion, thereby using different dubious ways and changing the scripture to suite their narrative but they run into problems from time to time.
What is driving you lot is inability and refusal to accept the truth of God.

MaxInDHouse:

The funny thing is when you leave them few of them will disappear as if they no longer exist while the remaining will start arguing, insulting, abusing and cursing one another due to their UNITY IN DIVERSITY!

freshboi88:
<sub>You will have to do better than this.

John 5:23 that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father. Whoever does not honor the Son does not honor the Father, who sent him

@bold is where the equality comes in. In your reference verses no where does it say not submitting to your husband does not submit to God.



He that does not honour the Son - He that does not believe on him, and render to him the homage which is his due as the equal of God.

Does not honour Father - Does not worship and obey the Father the First Person of the Trinity - that is does not worship God. He may imagine that he worships God, but there is no God but the God subsisting as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. He that withholds proper homage from one, withholds it from all.

Now this is the proper context and the equality is clearly defined.

He that should refuse to honor "the Father," could not be said to honor "God;" and in the like manner, he that honoreth not "the Son," honoreth not "the Father."</sub>

He that should refuse to honor "the Father," could not be said to honor "God;" and in the like manner, he that honoreth not "the Son," honoreth not "the Father."

DappaD:
Wow. Just wow. I think it’s the “Unity in Diversity” that is at work.
Reminds me of the Pharisees and the Sadducees who were always at each other’s throats(Acts 23:7,8.) but would always unite to face Jesus. Matthew 22:34
Nice to know there’s nothing new under the sun. Ecclesiastes 1:9

MaxInDHouse:

Just go through their comments on other threads and try to hold yourself not to say a word because once any of them noticed a JW is around he will alert the others and the next thing is the topic of discussion will eventually change to Jehovah's Witnesses matter!
That's why i always laugh at this so called UNITY IN DIVERSITY, in fact i will always remember freshboi88 for this wonderful idea!