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Kobojunkie:
Beliefs are born of choices hence the reason I continue to state that a belief is a choice made. You are free to believe as you want or choose though.

I never made my brain something that is able to resist what you are saying


My brain is just like that

My brain is not a choice


The way my brain works is not a choice

Hismasterpiece:
So you think the God all religions talk about is false and the real God can't be known?

No God can exist

HellVictorinho:
No God can exist

Why dost thou say so?

Hismasterpiece:
Why dost thou say so?

First, the way my brain works, like I told Kobojunkie is not a choice


There's no definition of God that shows how any God can exist

LordReed talked about exploring the universe



Well, I consider the universe as just another group of ageless indivisible objects or another group of ageless indivisible things that are not abstract.


The universe is just another thing that shows existence


I consider existence as the property of something to possess limits
Since there's no limit to what possesses limits ,then existence has no limit
Existence has no beginning
Existence has no end
Existence is abstract
Existence is being shown by things that are not confined

HellVictorinho:
I am able to resist what you are saying as something to believe
I don't choose not to believe or to believe otherwise
I just resist or I am just overwhelmed by the opposite of what you are saying

That resistance, what is it?

Kobojunkie:
That resistance, what is it?

It is the ability of my brain to resist what you are saying as something to believe


I didn't give my brain that ability.



My brain is just like that


It just works like that


The way my brain works is not a choice

HellVictorinho:
I never made my brain something that is able to resist what you are saying
My brain is just like that
My brain is not a choice
The way my brain works is not a choice

You mean your mind, right?

I think I kind of understand where you are coming from. For many of my years myself, I couldn't understand how people could get themselves to believe, and invest time and effort in basically anything... it was like my mind was built with a default setting of "cynical" and "depressed" for the longest time and I had no clue how to change the setting - I was always uncomfortable and yearning for better but never really knowing to achieve it, this without first needing to feign interest in whatever it was first.

You asked me earlier why I believe in Jesus Christ. Recall my answer to you was that He made sense when nothing else did. That was because I decided that I would use the choice engine available to me to process things rather than wallow in cynicism achieving nothing and living miserable for it too.

HellVictorinho:
It is the ability of my brain to resist what you are saying as something to believe
I didn't give my brain that ability.
My brain is just like that
It just works like that
The way my brain works is not a choice

disclaimer: I found out I could employ other settings after getting treatment for mental illness....I had to train my mind on how to make better choices.

Many many years later, Jesus Christ was a choice that made sense to me and so I chose Him over the alternative.

Kobojunkie:
You mean your mind, right?

I think I kind of understand where you are coming from. For many of my years myself, I couldn't understand how people could get themselves to believe, and invest time and effort in basically anything... it was like my mind was built with a default setting of "cynical" and "depressed" for the longest time and I had no clue how to change the setting - I was always uncomfortable and yearning for better but never really knowing to achieve it, this without first needing to feign interest in whatever it was first.

You asked me earlier why I believe in Jesus Christ. Recall my answer to you was that He made sense when nothing else did. That was because I decided that I would use the choice engine available to me to process things rather than wallow in cynicism achieving nothing and living miserable for it too.

I am now dealing with the matters of the mind which show the matters that concern the brain


Your mind was not able to resist Jesus Christ as someone in which to have faith.



You consider Jesus as a choice that makes sense because you believe in Jesus as a choice that makes sense


You did not choose to believe in Jesus as a choice that makes sense


You just believe in Jesus as a choice that makes sense


Your brain was actually overwhelmed by the concept of Jesus


If your brain remains overwhelmed by the concept of Jesus as a choice that makes sense, you will keep saying Jesus is a choice that makes sense



But my brain is not overwhelmed by that.





Since your brain is overwhelmed, you can't expect your faith to disappear.

HellVictorinho:
I am now dealing with the matters of the mind which show the matters that concern the brain
Your mind was not able to resist Jesus Christ as someone in which to have faith.
You consider Jesus as a choice that makes sense because you believe in Jesus as a choice that makes sense
You did not choose to believe in Jesus as a choice that makes sense
You just believe in Jesus as a choice that makes sense
Your brain was actually overwhelmed by the concept of Jesus
If your brain remains overwhelmed by the concept of Jesus as a choice that makes sense, you will keep saying Jesus is a choice that makes sense
But my brain is not overwhelmed by that.
Since your brain is overwhelmed, you can't expect your faith to disappear.

But none of what you have here makes sense to me since it differs completely from my experience and what I have revealed of my journey towards this faith I now have. So what exactly do you expect to do with this belief of yours?

Kobojunkie:
But none of what you have here makes sense to me since it differs completely from my experience and what I have revealed of my journey towards this faith I now have. So what exactly do you expect to do with this belief of yours?

You are not being sincere

You said Jesus is a choice that makes sense to you.

Now, you are saying another thing


The issue is that we don't agree on the nature of beliefs


You keep repeating that you choose


But I resist what you are saying about beliefs while you keep repeating it like it's going to work on me


I can't be overwhelmed because my brain can't be overwhelmed


You never chose to believe anything


Your story is wrong!


I know there are many people like you that say beliefs are choices but I don't give a damn!!!

HellVictorinho:
You are not being sincere
You said Jesus is a choice that makes sense to you.
Now, you are saying another thing
The issue is that we don't agree on the nature of beliefs
You keep repeating that you choose
But I resist what you are saying about beliefs while you keep repeating it like it's going to work on me
I can't be overwhelmed because my brain can't be overwhelmed
You never chose to believe anything
Your story is wrong!
I know there are many people like you that say beliefs are choices but I don't give a damn!!!

Since your belief is that I am not being sincere... what then is the point of this discourse?

Kobojunkie:
Since your belief is that I am not being sincere... what then is the point of this discourse?

According to you, anything I say is what I choose to believe


But that's your cup of wine

If you are not insincere here,then you are confused


All you keep saying is I choose to believe


I keep resisting



Can't you see it's a matter of not getting overwhelmed ?

HellVictorinho:
According to you, anything I say is what I choose to believe
But that's your cup of wine
If you are not insincere here,then you are confused
All you keep saying is I choose to believe
I keep resisting
Can't you see it's a matter of not getting overwhelmed ?

Your resistance is your choice...just as submission is a choice, so also is resistance.

If you don't get it, it's OK to let it go... a choice too.

Kobojunkie:
Your resistance is your choice...just as submission is a choice, so is resistance.

It is not a choice!

I didn't choose to have such a brain!


You never submitted!


You were overwhelmed!

Kobojunkie:
Your resistance is your choice...just as submission is a choice, so also is resistance.

If you don't get it, it's OK to let it go... a choice too.

If you don't get it
that's your cup of wine

HellVictorinho:
It is not a choice!
I didn't choose to have such a brain!
You never submitted!
You were overwhelmed!

Again you are free to believe as you choose... And I keep wanting to know, what exactly is the point of this back and forth?

HellVictorinho:
If you don't get it
that's your cup of wine

I actually understand your struggle very well since not too long ago, I too was where still are. And I understand quite well the meaninglessness of these engagements as none of this ever changed anything for me back then. I ofcourse didn't spend time harassing theists since It was all meaningless to me back then.

It wasn't until after I got on treatment that I realized it was possible to gain control of my mind and mental rather than letter the neurotransmitters in my head decide my state and mood.

Kobojunkie:
Again you are free to believe as you choose... And I keep wanting to know, what exactly is the point of this back and forth?

You keep repeating what is impossible to me


Your brain is not your choice


You choose what to say but you don't choose what it shows

HellVictorinho:
You keep repeating what is impossible to me
Your brain is not your choice
You choose what to say but you don't choose what it shows

Declare it impossible only after you you made an effort to change it, not before.

Note: not trying to get you to believe in God but trying to get you to begin flexing your brain and mind muscles even more than you have been able to up until now.

What did it for me was going in for treatment got mental and neurological problems I had been battling with since childhood - they got progressively worse with age than point the brain could not longer handle the processing stress..

Kobojunkie:
I actually understand your struggle very well since not too long ago, I used to be where you still are. And I understand the meaninglessness of this back and forth since none of this ever changed anything for me. It wasn't until after I got on treatment that it was able to realize that I don't have to live life at the whim of neurotransmitters.

It is you that was depressed not me


I have thought about suicide but I never saw it as necessary


Unlike you, I have thought about so many things including sanity, insanity, psychology, life, death, etc



I never saw anything as worth my mind for long periods.

HellVictorinho:
It is you that was depressed not me
I have thought about suicide but I never saw it as necessary
Unlike you, I have thought about so many things including sanity, insanity, psychology, life, death, etc
I never saw anything as worth my mind for long periods.

Your opinions of me seem formed based on nothing you even truly know of me except the little I have revealed here and there on here.

Anyways, the mind is w wonderful decision making machine. You give it inputs and out comes decisions and judgements which control our every interaction with our environment. The choice is yours to make. Even our emotional responses are based on choices made in our minds both consciously and otherwise. Even our dreams are generated in similar manner...

If you don't believe it. Its OK too.

Kobojunkie:
Declare it impossible only after you you made an effort to change it, not before.

Note: not trying to get you to believe in God but trying to get you to begin flexing your brain and mind muscles even more than you have been able to up until now.

What did it for me was going in for treatment got mental and neurological problems I had been battling with since childhood - they got progressively worse with age than point the brain could not longer handle the processing stress..

You still have mental issues

Everyone has mental issues


But my issues are different from yours


According to your issues, I have to keep flexing my brain


According to my issues,you have to stop talking about my mind because it won't help to change my mind.

I can't change my mind concerning what I never chose

Your brain was never working like my own.

Kobojunkie:
Your opinions of me seem formed based on nothing you even truly know of me except the little I have revealed here and there on here.

Anyways, the mind is w wonderful decision making machine. You give it inputs and out comes decisions and judgements which control our every interaction with our environment. The choice is yours to make. Even our emotional responses are based on choices made in our minds both consciously and otherwise. Even our dreams are generated in similar manner...

If you don't believe it. Its OK too.

There's no reason why I should believe what you are saying




Note: I didn't choose to have no reason

HellVictorinho:
There's no reason why I should believe what you are saying Note: I didn't choose to have no reason

And I have said over and over that it's your choice.

HellVictorinho:
You still have mental issues
Everyone has mental issues
But my issues are different from yours
According to your issues, I have to keep flexing my brain
According to my issues,you have to stop talking about my mind because it won't help to change my mind.
I can't change my mind concerning what I never chose
Your brain was never working like my own.

I made it clear earlier that all brains and minds are unique but they all work exactly the same - they process input to yield output.

So, this has nothing to do with your mental issues or my mental issues but the fact that every brain works the same way. So, you either engage it or you allow it control you as you will. Your choice.

Kobojunkie:
I made it clear earlier that all brains and minds are unique but they all work exactly the same - they process input to yield output.

So, this has nothing to do with your mental issues or my mental issues but the fact that every brain works the same way. So, you either engage it or you allow it control you as you will. Your choice.

You are wrong.

Kobojunkie:
And I have said over and over that it's your choice.

You are wrong


Repeating it doesn't mean you are correct

HellVictorinho:
You are wrong.

OK.

HellVictorinho:
You are wrongRepeating it doesn't mean you are correct

Ok

Kobojunkie:
I made it clear earlier that all brains and minds are unique but they all work exactly the same - they process input to yield output.

So, this has nothing to do with your mental issues or my mental issues but the fact that every brain works the same way. So, you either engage it or you allow it control you as you will. Your choice.

I hope I have not offended you


As I speak,I am hopeless


I work in a private school but we are on break


I have exhausted everything with me

I will appreciate whatever amount of money you can help me with

HellVictorinho:
I hope I have not offended you
As I speak,I am hopeless
I work in a private school but we are on break
I have exhausted everything with me
I will appreciate whatever amount of money you can help me with

I am in a situation where I am not now able to help right now but should things change in the future, sure will.