freshboi88:

Hahahaha......Thank God our interpretation of col 1:15 doesn't say that Jesus is created.
It's your organisation that teaches that col 1:15 means that Jesus is created.
So your organisation, your doctrine , your Bible is all in wrestle mania with itself
Pointing to col 1:15 doesn't do u any justice...it only give u more reason to answer my questions.
If u say Col 1:15 means Jesus is created. Then y is it contradicting Rev 5 13-14
Lemme quote it again so that u can read it slowly
Rev 5 13-14
Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature ?
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.
Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture

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For your information, the bolded words below is exactly the same with what you’re trying to infer from Revelation 5:13.

DappaD:

Hmm. You asked a question which was answered and you’re still ranting?
Listen kid, you’re not the Author and Finisher of my faith so you can’t dictate how I’m going to answer questions.
See why I said the questions you ask are always non sequitur . Go and look up the meaning of that word.
You’re hinging on Revelation 5:13 which says that all creatures would bow down to the Lamb means that he is not also a creation? So when the all kings of the nations came to bow down to Solomon, did that imply that he is not a king himself? Psalm 72:11
It’s just a pity that your reasoning is flawed and you have no one to tell you.

MaxInDHouse:
He is the FIRST BORN of all Creations! Colossians 1:15
So he must have attributes that no other creature has but he is still one of God's creation!

There is no creator besides Jesus!

1. Creator of all things;
John 1:3-8;

*. Colossians 1:16 "KJV:For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: "

*. Romans 11:36 "KJV: For OF HIM, and THROUGH HIM, and TO HIM, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

DappaD:

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For your information, the bolded words below is exactly the same with what you’re trying to infer from Revelation 5:13.

See summersaulted logic. Wetin we no go hear. I like u sha...atleast nah only u dey make attempt to answer.

But the problem with that Solomon logic is that :

The logic has to apply to both the one sitting on the throne and the lamb.....

Hahahaha....if u use this logic..


Then the one sitting on the throne is a creation too . I don laugh tire my belle wan tear

This one don cast bring another one


Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture

MaxInDHouse:
Go and study engineering in China but don't argue with them if you don't understand their term o {Daniel 12:10 compare to Matthew 13:13} because if you're not careful you may think they're contradicting themselves but they've proved to the whole world that they know what they're doing! Matthew 7:16-18

This one own don mature from tap dancing to Phyton dancing.


Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Pls answer the questions.

freshboi88:


Dnt mind them brother. I already made a very sweet response to that . Thanks for your follow-up... See them shaking to answer questions.

they are living in denial, all the lies of jwo are falling before their eyes, they cant believe that their almighty organisational doctrine is being rebuffed and there is nothing they can do, hence they use insults, diversions and other ignoble tactics to save face.

freshboi88:


This one own don mature from tap dancing to Phyton dancing.


Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Pls answer the questions.

They will avoid it like plague, suddenly they have disappeared.

freshboi88:


This one own don mature from tap dancing to Phyton dancing.


Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Pls answer the questions.

I dont take them serious, it was when I was naive that I used to give them ears ever since I realise they were empty and bereft of true knowledge I just ignore their rants and pass my message.

Barristter07:


The bible use the word " Saying " : to clarify the point. Coal and sticks don't talk
The same reason he is not part of those in heaven . Verse 3. I challenge you to prove otherwise

His point is very clear...
Since you said He is one of God's creatures... and the place says EVERY CREATURE

He should not have been excepted.

Instead of you to address this, you are saying Coal and sticks don't talk.

Is Jesus Coal and Stick in that place?

KNOWMORE56:

There is no creator besides Jesus!

Tell that to the little kids in your yard! Matthew 27:46 compare to Hebrews 5:7

freshboi88:

This one own don mature from tap dancing to Phyton dancing.
Rev 5 13-14
Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.
Pls answer the questions.

Keep deceiving yourself!

MaxInDHouse:


Keep deceiving yourself!

Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receiving

KNOWMORE56:


His point is very clear...
Since you said He is one of God's creatures... and the place says EVERY CREATURE

He should not have been excepted.

Instead of you to address this, you are saying Coal and sticks don't talk.

Is Jesus Coal and Stick in that place?

Very laughable response....dude is bereft of ideas

freshboi88:

Rev 5 13-14
Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receiving

Small Churchboy!

MaxInDHouse:


Small Churchboy!

See Painment as deviation tactics no work.

Oya provide the small church boy with answers now.


Rev 5 13-14

Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.

1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature

2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

freshboi88:

See Painment as deviation tactics no work.
Oya provide the small church boy with answers now.Rev 5 13-14
Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.

Just be patient and keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

Exactly! So you get what it sounds like when you use skewed reasoning to explain what that Scripture says. It’s just someone saying, “All humans in the world will bow down to President Biden”, does that suddenly mean the president isn’t a human himself?

Also I don’t believe you get to set the rules on how a Scripture should be understood since you’re not John who wrote it and what you’re trying to infer doesn’t fit in with the rest of the Scriptures. Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14
Remember the whole essence of this debate is to disprove Trinity. So if we apply the logic like you said, then those Christians who would sit on thrones with God(Revelation 3:21) would also have the same status with God(2Peter 1:4) abi no be so? Once we agree that such becomes the case, then the riddle has been solved.

freshboi88:

See summersaulted logic.
Wetin we no go hear. I like u sha...atleast nah only u dey make attempt to answer.
But the problem with that Solomon logic is that :The logic has to apply to both the one sitting on the throne and the lamb.....
Hahahaha....if u use this logic..
Then the one sitting on the throne is a creation too . I don laugh tire my belle wan tear
This one don cast bring another one Rev 5 13-14
Every creature in heaven, earth, sea, under the earth worship, praise, honor, glorify Jehovah and Jesus.
1. Why is Jesus no part of every creature
2. Why is he on the side of the creator receiving same honor, glory, praise, worship that Jehovah receives.
Your duty to tell us why your NWT is contradicting itself. Cos I ma quoting your own scripture

The cult eyes have been blinded they can't see who Jesus is don't blame them I understand what Bible says about those who can't see Jesus glory

Thomas worked with Jesus and did not believe who Jesus is until he saw Jesus rose from the dead

If Jesus appear to them all of them will bow and cry to Jesus and worship him without saying anything

Even Paul confessed after Jesus arrested him no one can remain the same when they see Jesus no one

DappaD:
Exactly! So you get what it sounds like when you use skewed reasoning to explain what that Scripture says. It’s just someone saying, “All humans in the world will bow down to President Biden”, does that suddenly mean the president isn’t a human himself?

Also I don’t believe you get to set the rules on how a Scripture should be understood since you’re not John who wrote it and what you’re trying to infer doesn’t fit in with the rest of the Scriptures. Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14
Remember the whole essence of this debate is to disprove Trinity. So if we apply the logic like you said, then those Christians who would sit on thrones with God(Revelation 3:21) would also have the same status with God(2Peter 1:4) abi no be so? Once we agree that such becomes the case, then the riddle has been solved.

Going by this logic, then Jehovah God is a creation too....

Hide your head in shame

See the verse. Rev 5: 13-14.......E dey torment u abi

MaxInDHouse:


Just be patient and keep on asking! Matthew 7:7

I feel your pain......

Thomas worked with Jesus and did not believe who Jesus is until he saw Jesus rose from the dead

If Jesus appear to them all of them will bow and cry to Jesus and worship him without saying anything

Even Paul confessed after Jesus arrested him no one can remain the same when they see Jesus no one

What makes me happy is that they will worship Jesus when it will be too late they will do it before been sent to the lake of fire

Even devil and all demons will bow to Jesus every thing in the universe

The sun will melt at the sight of Jesus the moon too every thing will wail at that glorious moment all angels will kneel at Jesus feet

The last enemy to be destroyed is death

freshboi88:

Going by this logic, then Jehovah God is a creation too....
Hide your head in shame

Nope. It cannot apply to both of them because of one of them didn’t have a beginning(Psalm 93:2) while the other clearly did(Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14) that’s why I used the example of those kings bowing down to Solomon to buttress my point. I’m sure you would soooooo love to remove Colossians 1:15 from the Bible but sorry about that anyway, the fact that Jesus is part of God’s creation remains unchanged.

DappaD:



Nope. It cannot apply to both of them because of one of them didn’t have a beginning(Psalm 93:2) while the other clearly did(Colossians 1:15, Revelation 3:14) that’s why I used the example of those kings bowing down to Solomon to buttress my point. I’m sure you would soooooo love to remove Colossians 1:15 from the Bible but sorry about that anyway, the fact that Jesus is part of God’s creation remains unchanged.

It must apply cos if all kings bows to Solomon and Solomon is part of the all king

Then

Every created being bowing to the one on the throne and the lamb makes the one on the throne and the lamb part of the every created being

See your small Brain.

If u exempt the one on the throne.

Then explain you have to explain why your new world translation separates Jesus from every created being?

It's one or the other.......

Bishopkingsley:
What makes me happy is that they will worship Jesus when it will be too late they will do it before been sent to the lake of fire

Even devil and all demons will bow to Jesus every thing in the universe

The sun will melt at the sight of Jesus the moon too every thing will wail at that glorious moment all angels will kneel at Jesus feet

The last enemy to be destroyed is death

Lolzzz...see how they all ran away. When faced with a question they don't have an answer to. When they couldn't deviate the arguement. They took to their heels.

freshboi88:



Lolzzz...see how they all ran away. When faced with a question they don't have an answer to. When they couldn't deviate the arguement. They took to their heels.

That is how God told us to command Satan and his children when you resist Satan and his kids with the word of God they always run because no one on earth can stand Jehovah words Jesus said it his words are spirit and they are life.

He goofed when he compared others kings coming to Solomon as to coming to bow to Jehovah and Jesus

There is no place in the Bible or in the world where every single person in the world bow to one human being it has never happened on earth

Even USA president can't command that kind power one JW told me one Lagos king that ran away during Sars that he had that power I lol and corrected him he ran away

Nebugadnezzer tried to do it some Isreal boys rejected to bow, queen Jezebel tried it Elijah and many other rejected to bow to her idols

Here in the Bible we see where God Jehovah lifted Jesus name and said when you call on this name every knee shall bow every knee that is in heaven on earth and under the earth

If Jehovah is not Jesus in body form then he too will bow because Jehovah already said every knee will bow at the mention of Jesus name

Now in revelation we see all creatures all creation assembled together every one come alive just to bow and serve and worship Jehovah and Jesus

Instead of accepting what the bible says they still want to fight the Bible just like their father the devil did but that day no one will have power to say anything apart from respect to Jesus the one they killed

Funny misinformed Churchgoer!

freshboi88:

I feel your pain......

The things of God are sacred
If God is not with you and you God about lying in his name

Bible said your punishment will be greater
God is not a fool to put in the Bible that Jesus is the Savior the only one who can save you from death

Moses can't be like Jesus because Jesus knew no sin Jesus was born holy he is holy himself he is life himself he is the one who actually gives life

10He (Christ) was in the world, and though the world was made through Him, the world did not recognize Him.

JW up till now can't recognize Jesus

freshboi88:

Lolzzz...see how they all ran away. When faced with a question they don't have an answer to. When they couldn't deviate the arguement. They took to their heels.

It doesn't take arguments to make our type recognize us {1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9-11} you are not our type so go and worship your God with your brethren under your UNITY IN DIVERSITY peacefully!

Luke 10:16 ►
“Whoever listens to you Bishopkingsley listens to me; Jesus whoever rejects you Bishopkingsley rejects me;Jesus but whoever rejects me Jesus rejects him who sent me.”Jehovah

New Living Translation
Then he said to the disciples, “Anyone who accepts your message is also accepting me. And anyone who rejects you is rejecting me. And anyone who rejects me is rejecting God, who sent me.”

English Standard Version
“The one who hears you hears me, and the one who rejects you rejects me, and the one who rejects me rejects him who sent me.”

Berean Study Bible
Whoever listens to you listens to Me; whoever rejects you rejects Me; and whoever rejects Me rejects the One who sent Me.”

MaxInDHouse:


It doesn't take arguments to make our type recognize us {1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9-11} you are not our type so go and worship your God with your brethren under your UNITY IN DIVERSITY peacefully!

Stale!!!!....all d readers have truly seen you guys for the joke y'all are.

When your faith was put under scrutiny with the truth of scripture. None of u was able to provide any answers without tap dancing

We are not answerable to you or anyone else but to our God! Isaiah 54:17
So you don't need all these stress, go and worship your own God!

freshboi88:

Stale!!!!....all d readers have truly seen you guys for the joke y'all are.
When your faith was put under scrutiny with the truth of scripture. None of u was able to provide any answers without tap dancing