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Kobojunkie:
I am in a situation where I am not now able to help right now but should things change in the future, sure will.

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Please
Let me know when it's possible

I have a question for you Jehovah's witnesses and i would like you to answer me honestly, please.

You believe that we humans are purely flesh and blood, and not spirits who are housed in bodies.

So how do you interpret this portion of scripture -

Mat 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
Mat 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mat 17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?

This account is also recorded in Mark 9:2-6 and Luke 9:28-33.

Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -

1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor."
1Sa 28:8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Please conduct a seance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you."
1Sa 28:9 Then the woman said to him, "Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
1Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!"
1Sa 28:13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth."
1Sa 28:14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
1Sa 28:15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do."

For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.

Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.

And according to Jehovah's witnesses all humans are purely flesh and blood and when saints and sinners die they remain asleep in their graves till when Jesus returns. After which they will be resurrected. Saints will be given eternal life here on earth, while sinners will be annihilated or wipes out of existence. Therefore, the witnesses don't believe in a literal heaven for saints or hell for sinners.

But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.

Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).

Anyways, MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Bishopkingsley, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, freshboi88, DappaD, KoboJunkie, Barristter07, let me have your opinions on this please.

And please no insults, as the Bible speaks against such.

Gracias.

Why is it that of all those responding to your question it's only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that you could think of?

My friend, it's better you humble yourself and learn from us or you keep what you know because faith is not a possession of all people {2Thessalonians 3:2} note how Paul described people lacking faith in the cited verse, Paul referred to them as "UNREASONABLE and WICKED"
WHY?
Because they prefer illusion than clear understanding of what is giving them headache so in their mouth they're praising God but with their actions they're blaming God for their confusion. 2Timothy 3:5

But for the benefit of honest hearted and sincere individuals i will respond to this!

Hismasterpiece:
I have a question for you Jehovah's witnesses and i would like you to answer me honestly, please.

You believe that we humans are purely flesh and blood, and not spirits who are housed in bodies.

So how do you interpret this portion of scripture -

Mat 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
Mat 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mat 17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?

This account is also recorded in Mark 9:2-6 and Luke 9:28-33.

The Jews are already aware of what the Messiah (Christ) will do about the condition of their dead loved ones. The Messiah will first of all give up his perfect human body to redeem mankind and in the nearest future he will call all dead people (who are in line for resurrection) and they will hear his voice and come out {John 5:28-29} so Jehovah God used that opportunity to reveal to those three faithful Jews that this is the person that's going to fulfil all those things as the Messiah (Christ) {Matthew 17:5} Apostle Peter many years later remembered this event and strengthened the Christian never to give up because he and his two other Jewish faithfuls have seen the salvation with their own eyes! 2Peter 1:17-18

Moses and Elijah were never alive after their death, God only revealed a sacred secret to those faithful Jews about what Jesus will later do in the nearest future!

Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -

1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor."
1Sa 28:8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Please conduct a seance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you."
1Sa 28:9 Then the woman said to him, "Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
1Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!"
1Sa 28:13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth."
1Sa 28:14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
1Sa 28:15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do."

For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.

Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.

And according to Jehovah's witnesses all humans are purely flesh and blood and when saints and sinners die they remain asleep in their graves till when Jesus returns. After which they will be resurrected. Saints will be given eternal life here on earth, while sinners will be annihilated or wipes out of existence. Therefore, the witnesses don't believe in a literal heaven for saints or hell for sinners.

But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.

Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).

Anyways, MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Bishopkingsley, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, freshboi88, DappaD, KoboJunkie, Barristter07, let me have your opinions on this please.

And please no insults, as the Bible speaks against such.

Gracias.

Samuel is dead but since Saul went to inquire of the dead from spirit mediums, a demon appeared just like Samuel and spoke to Saul.
Samuel was God's prophet so no spirit medium can force God to allow them do anything with Samuel. God warned his people not to have any dealings with spirit media because they will teach them things contrary to the truth from God!

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-10


This is the true condition of the dead as revealed through God's Holy Spirit, it's either you accept this or you follow what demons are performing to mislead billions around you! Revelations 12:9

May you have PEACE!

Hismasterpiece:
I have a question for you Jehovah's witnesses and i would like you to answer me honestly, please.

You believe that we humans are purely flesh and blood, and not spirits who are housed in bodies.

So how do you interpret this portion of scripture -

Mat 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
Mat 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mat 17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?

This account is also recorded in Mark 9:2-6 and Luke 9:28-33.

Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -

1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor."
1Sa 28:8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Please conduct a seance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you."
1Sa 28:9 Then the woman said to him, "Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
1Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!"
1Sa 28:13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth."
1Sa 28:14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
1Sa 28:15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do."

For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.

Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.

And according to Jehovah's witnesses all humans are purely flesh and blood and when saints and sinners die they remain asleep in their graves till when Jesus returns. After which they will be resurrected. Saints will be given eternal life here on earth, while sinners will be annihilated or wipes out of existence. Therefore, the witnesses don't believe in a literal heaven for saints or hell for sinners.

But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.

Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).

Anyways, MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Bishopkingsley, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, freshboi88, DappaD, KoboJunkie, Barristter07, let me have your opinions on this please.

And please no insults, as the Bible speaks against such.

Gracias.

Point 1 - Elijah and Moses appearing is not real, it's a vision. Read verse 9

" As they were descending from the mountain, Jesus commanded them: “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead.” - Matt 17:9

In fact to claim it's real you must answer in which form they were seen, Physical bodies ? When Ressurection is yet to occur ?



Point 2: That Spirit is a demon. The text said God no longer answers Saul. Samuel won't answer him either or prophecy. To accept your claim is to say Samuel Rebel against God Almighty. Not at all. Demons are the ones who rebel

Another problem for your theory is an " old MAN " was seen, are you saying Samuels flesh and blood are not yet Decomposed? Has Samuel been Ressurected to appear as a Man ?

You have some thinking to do

Hismasterpiece:
I have a question for you Jehovah's witnesses and i would like you to answer me honestly, please.

You believe The Bible says that we humans are purely flesh and blood, and not spirits who are housed in bodies.

Genesis 2:7, 6:3

So how do you interpret this portion of scripture -
Mat 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
Mat 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mat 17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."
The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?
This account is also recorded in Mark 9:2-6 and Luke 9:28-33.

Jesus told Peter, James and John not to relate what they saw to anyone because it was a vision. Matthew 17:9
A vision can contain personalities that are not present. For example, certain prophets like Isaiah and Daniel wrote that they saw God on his throne. Isaiah 6:1, Daniel 7:9
Yet the Bible still maintains that nobody has seen God at any time. John 1:18, 6:46
How could that be? Because they didn’t really see God but a visual representation of him.

So while Jesus was the only one present in that transfiguration, the other two were not present because they had been dead for centuries. In fact, the writer Luke relates that Peter didn’t know what he was saying when he asked to set up those tents for Moses and Elijah(Luke 9:33) because the normal Jewish view of the dead was that they were unconscious and had no share with what was going on under the sun. Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-10

Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -
1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor."
1Sa 28:8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Please conduct a seance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you."
1Sa 28:9 Then the woman said to him, "Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
1Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!"
1Sa 28:13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth."
1Sa 28:14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
1Sa 28:15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do."
For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.
Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.
And according to Jehovah's witnesses all humans are purely flesh and blood and when saints and sinners die they remain asleep in their graves till when Jesus returns. After which they will be resurrected. Saints will be given eternal life here on earth, while sinners will be annihilated or wipes out of existence. Therefore, the witnesses don't believe in a literal heaven for saints or hell for sinners.
But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.
Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).
Anyways, MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Bishopkingsley, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, freshboi88, DappaD, KoboJunkie, Barristter07, let me have your opinions on this please.
And please no insults, as the Bible speaks against such.
Gracias.

Do you know that Saul committed a very grievous sin worthy of death by going to consult a spirit medium?
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
“There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.”

Why do you think God would ever say such a thing? I mean one can reason that a person’s dead loved one wouldn’t do any harm so why would God prohibit talking to one’s loved one?

Because the person inquiring of the dead will surely see someone but that person is not his relative! Satan keeps masquerading as an angel of light and he has many tricks and machinations he uses to keep people under his net. 2Corinthians 2:11, 11:14

Satan knows the condition of the dead so in order for people to question what God says about it, he now deceives people into thinking that the dead are still alive somewhere, thereby leaving people at crossroads of which one to believe. That’s one of the reasons why God quickly hid the body of Moses after his death(Deuteronomy 34:6) else Satan would use the body of Moses as a snare for the Israelites. Jude 9


Moreover if Samuel was still alive somewhere, why would God later say in the time of Jeremiah that if Samuel were standing before him, he would save only himself? Jeremiah 15:1
Does that not suggest that at the point
of his death, Samuel no longer exists anywhere and he is still lying in his grave awaiting a resurrection? Isaiah 26:19, John 5:28

Hismasterpiece:
The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?
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Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -
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For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.

Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.
.....
But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.

Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).

1. Jesus Christ never said that only those who are Christians are born of Spirit... For one Spirits have eternal life and those who have eternal life, aka grace, do not perish in the grave but sleep.

2. We read from scripture that the righteous, from the beginning were given grace from Death(perish in the grave) aka. eternal life , by God - From Abel(whose blood cried out from His grave) to Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc., all of whom we are told either slept, rather than perish, in the grave or were taken away.

3. From Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, we also know that God offered LIFE(eternal) to those of the Old Covenant who lived according to His Will. The offered of Death remained for these who refused to obey Him( the sinners of the Old agreement perish when they die). So, God's prophet's, including all others who lived righteous lives, received God's gift of Life - a declaration God reiterated in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 3 and Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ never said that only those who are Christians are born of Spirit... For one Spirits have eternal life and those who have eternal life, aka grace, do not perish in the grave but sleep.

2. We read from scripture that the righteous, from the beginning were given grace from Death(perish in the grave) aka. eternal life , by God - From Abel(whose blood cried out from His grave) to Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc., all of whom we are told either slept, rather than perish, in the grave or were taken away.

3. From Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, we also know that God offered LIFE(eternal) to those of the Old Covenant who lived according to His Will. The offered of Death remained for these who refused to obey Him( the sinners of the Old agreement perish when they die). So, God's prophet's, including all others who lived righteous lives, received God's gift of Life - a declaration God reiterated in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 3 and Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20

What are you talking about?

I need your views on the scriptures i quoted not the doctrine of eternal life

What is the correct interpretation of the scriptures i quoted?

Hismasterpiece:
What are you talking about?
I need your views on the scriptures i quoted not the doctrine of eternal life
What is the correct interpretation of the scriptures i quoted?

What part of what I wrote are you having a hard time comprehending?

Kobojunkie:
What part of what I wrote are you having a hard time comprehending?

You didn't make any comments as to the correct interpretation of the SCRIPTURES i quoted.

I need your comments on the SCRIPTURES.

Hismasterpiece:
You didn't make any comments as to the correct interpretation of the SCRIPTURES i quoted.

I need your comments on the SCRIPTURES.

I already provided you all the information necessary in helping you better process what is written there in those scriptures and every other, at least if you are willing to believe God is True.

For instance, since Samuel was a prophet of God from the Old Covenant, it is no longer rocket science that he had the gift of Life(eternal) bestowed on Him as a righteous servant of His just as God promised to those who lived according to His Old Covenant Law of Moses in Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20. The same promise of the Old Law applies to all the other prophets including Moses and Elijah.

The major issue is many of you claim with your mouths to believe in God but you have little to no trust in Him or His Word.

Hismasterpiece:
Please avoid false teachings.

People don't cease to exist when they die. We are spirits who have souls and live in bodies. 1 Thessalonians 5:23.

When a believer dies he goes to be with the Lord in Heaven. 2 Cor 5:1, 8. Phil 1:23.

Where they get this false notion that a person ceases to exist is from Genesis 3:19 where God told Adam that he was dust and would return back to dust because he ate the fruit.

God didn't mean that he would cease to exist, he was just telling him he would die physically as a direct consequence of him dying spiritually because he ate the fruit.

And they conveniently ignore Genesis 2:7 where God breathed into man and he became a living being.

The word for BREATH in the Hebrew and Greek is the same word for SPIRIT.

So man became a living being when God put a spirit inside him.

And they also ignore the warning in Genesis 2:16-17.

God said the DAY that he ate the fruit he would Die. But when Adam ate the fruit he didn't die physically until many years later.

What does that mean? Does that mean that God lied? Of course not. The DAY that our parents ate the forbidden fruit THEY DIED. That's the real them... Their spirit.

God is the Father of spirits Heb 12:9. And Adam is called the Son of God Luke 3:38. God is a Spirit John 4:24. Therefore Adam is a Spirit who was put inside a body.

WHEN GOD CREATED MAN HE SAID MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL NOT SPIRIT AND THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAID IN EZEKIEL 18:4 THAT THE SOUL THAT SINNETH SHALL DIE.
OGA SPIRIT HOW DO YOU RECONCILE HAVING SPIRIT AND RESURRECTION. JUST LISTEN TO FALSE DOCTRINE YOU DIE YOU GO TO HEAVEN OR FAKE HELL AND THERE IS RESURRECTION HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT THERE IS ALSO JUDGMENT DAY THINK ABOUT IT.
1CORINTHIANS 15:18 SAYS THE DEATH ARE SLEEPING WAITING FOR RESURRECTION
FINALLY PLEASE OGA SPIRIT WHERE WAS JESUS FOR THE THREE DAYS HE DIED BECAUSE JESUS CLEARLY TOLD MARY IN JOHN 20:17 DON'T TOUCH ME BECAUSE MY FATHER IS YET TO SEE ME LET ME GO AND SHOW MYSELF TO HIM
Man is nothing but a living soul. When we die our soul remains in the grave until the RESURRECTION

MaxInDHouse:
Why is it that of all those responding to your question it's only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that you could think of?

My friend, it's better you humble yourself and learn from us or you keep what you know because faith is not a possession of all people {2Thessalonians 3:2} note how Paul described people lacking faith in the cited verse, Paul referred to them as "UNREASONABLE and WICKED"
WHY?
Because they prefer illusion than clear understanding of what is giving them headache so in their mouth they're praising God but with their actions they're blaming God for their confusion. 2Timothy 3:5

But for the benefit of honest hearted and sincere individuals i will respond to this!


The Jews are already aware of what the Messiah (Christ) will do about the condition of their dead loved ones. The Messiah will first of all give up his perfect human body to redeem mankind and in the nearest future he will call all dead people (who are in line for resurrection) and they will hear his voice and come out {John 5:28-29} so Jehovah God used that opportunity to reveal to those three faithful Jews that this is the person that's going to fulfil all those things as the Messiah (Christ) {Matthew 17:5} Apostle Peter many years later remembered this event and strengthened the Christian never to give up because he and his two other Jewish faithfuls have seen the salvation with their own eyes! 2Peter 1:17-18

Moses and Elijah were never alive after their death, God only revealed a sacred secret to those faithful Jews about what Jesus will later do in the nearest future!




Samuel is dead but since Saul went to inquire of the dead from spirit mediums, a demon appeared just like Samuel and spoke to Saul.
Samuel was God's prophet so no spirit medium can force God to allow them do anything with Samuel. God warned his people not to have any dealings with spirit media because they will teach them things contrary to the truth from God!

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works. Let thy garments be always white; and let thy head lack no ointment. Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
Ecclesiastes 9:5-10


This is the true condition of the dead as revealed through God's Holy Spirit, it's either you accept this or you follow what demons are performing to mislead billions around you! Revelations 12:9

May you have PEACE!

capnies:
WHEN GOD CREATED MAN HE SAID MAN BECAME A LIVING SOUL NOT SPIRIT AND THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAID IN EZEKIEL 18:4 THAT THE SOUL THAT SINNETH SHALL DIE.
OGA SPIRIT HOW DO YOU RECONCILE HAVING SPIRIT AND RESURRECTION. JUST LISTEN TO FALSE DOCTRINE YOU DIE YOU GO TO HEAVEN OR FAKE HELL AND THERE IS RESURRECTION HOW DO YOU RECONCILE THAT THERE IS ALSO JUDGMENT DAY THINK ABOUT IT.
1CORINTHIANS 15:18 SAYS THE DEATH ARE SLEEPING WAITING FOR RESURRECTION
FINALLY PLEASE OGA SPIRIT WHERE WAS JESUS FOR THE THREE DAYS HE DIED BECAUSE JESUS CLEARLY TOLD MARY IN JOHN 20:17 DON'T TOUCH ME BECAUSE MY FATHER IS YET TO SEE ME LET ME GO AND SHOW MYSELF TO HIM
Man is nothing but a living soul. When we die our soul remains in the grave until the RESURRECTION

DappaD:
Genesis 2:7, 6:3




Jesus told Peter, James and John not to relate what they saw to anyone because it was a vision. Matthew 17:9
A vision can contain personalities that are not present. For example, certain prophets like Isaiah and Daniel wrote that they saw God on his throne. Isaiah 6:1, Daniel 7:9
Yet the Bible still maintains that nobody has seen God at any time. John 1:18, 6:46
How could that be? Because they didn’t really see God but a visual representation of him.

So while Jesus was the only one present in that transfiguration, the other two were not present because they had been dead for centuries. In fact, the writer Luke relates that Peter didn’t know what he was saying when he asked to set up those tents for Moses and Elijah(Luke 9:33) because the normal Jewish view of the dead was that they were unconscious and had no share with what was going on under the sun. Psalm 146:4, Ecclesiastes 9:5-10





Do you know that Saul committed a very grievous sin worthy of death by going to consult a spirit medium?
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
“There should not be found in you anyone who makes his son or his daughter pass through the fire, anyone who employs divination, anyone practicing magic, anyone who looks for omens, a sorcerer, anyone binding others with a spell, anyone who consults a spirit medium or a fortune-teller, or anyone who inquires of the dead. For whoever does these things is detestable to Jehovah, and on account of these detestable practices Jehovah your God is driving them away from before you.”

Why do you think God would ever say such a thing? I mean one can reason that a person’s dead loved one wouldn’t do any harm so why would God prohibit talking to one’s loved one?

Because the person inquiring of the dead will surely see someone but that person is not his relative! Satan keeps masquerading as an angel of light and he has many tricks and machinations he uses to keep people under his net. 2Corinthians 2:11, 11:14

Satan knows the condition of the dead so in order for people to question what God says about it, he now deceives people into thinking that the dead are still alive somewhere, thereby leaving people at crossroads of which one to believe. That’s one of the reasons why God quickly hid the body of Moses after his death(Deuteronomy 34:6) else Satan would use the body of Moses as a snare for the Israelites. Jude 9


Moreover if Samuel was still alive somewhere, why would God later say in the time of Jeremiah that if Samuel were standing before him, he would save only himself? Jeremiah 15:1
Does that not suggest that at the point
of his death, Samuel no longer exists anywhere and he is still lying in his grave awaiting a resurrection? Isaiah 26:19, John 5:28

Barristter07:
Point 1 - Elijah and Moses appearing is not real, it's a vision. Read verse 9

" As they were descending from the mountain, Jesus commanded them: “Tell the vision to no one until the Son of man is raised up from the dead.” - Matt 17:9

In fact to claim it's real you must answer in which form they were seen, Physical bodies ? When Ressurection is yet to occur ?



Point 2: That Spirit is a demon. The text said God no longer answers Saul. Samuel won't answer him either or prophecy. To accept your claim is to say Samuel Rebel against God Almighty. Not at all. Demons are the ones who rebel

Another problem for your theory is an " old MAN " was seen, are you saying Samuels flesh and blood are not yet Decomposed? Has Samuel been Ressurected to appear as a Man ?

You have some thinking to do

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ never said that only those who are Christians are born of Spirit... For one Spirits have eternal life and those who have eternal life, aka grace, do not perish in the grave but sleep.

2. We read from scripture that the righteous, from the beginning were given grace from Death(perish in the grave) aka. eternal life , by God - From Abel(whose blood cried out from His grave) to Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc., all of whom we are told either slept, rather than perish, in the grave or were taken away.

3. From Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, we also know that God offered LIFE(eternal) to those of the Old Covenant who lived according to His Will. The offered of Death remained for these who refused to obey Him( the sinners of the Old agreement perish when they die). So, God's prophet's, including all others who lived righteous lives, received God's gift of Life - a declaration God reiterated in Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 3 and Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20

Ecc 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Luke 8:54 But He put them all outside, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Little girl, arise."
Luke 8:55 Then her spirit returned, and she arose immediately. And He commanded that she be given something to eat.

Luke 16:22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

2Co 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
2Co 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Php 1:22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell.
Php 1:23 For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.
Php 1:24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.

Please how do you reconcile the belief that man is purely flesh and blood with these scriptures? All these scriptures point towards the doctrine that we are spirits who are housed in bodies and when a person dies their spirit leaves their body and goes to its eternal home in Heaven of hell.

Paul talked about being absent from the body (which is another way of referring to his spirit leaving his body) and being present with the Lord (in heaven). He also talked about leaving this world and going to be with Christ. Christ is not in the grave, He is in Heaven, so Paul wasn't looking forward to just lying lifeless in his grave till the resurrection at the last day, but he was looking forward to being with the Lord immediately after his spirit left his body.

James said the body dies when the spirit leaves it.

Also the story is the rich man and Lazarus makes it even more vivid. Lazarus died and was carried to his eternal home while the rich man died and was carried to his eternal home also.

You know what, maybe I'm misinterpreting these scriptures.

I would like for you guys to please provide the correct interpretation of these scriptures.

Thanks.

Hismasterpiece:
James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

2Co 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
2Co 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Php 1:22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell.
Php 1:23 For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.
Php 1:24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.[/i]

Please how do you reconcile the belief that man is purely flesh and blood with these scriptures? All these scriptures point towards the doctrine that we are spirits who are housed in bodies and when a person dies their spirit leaves their body and goes to its eternal home in Heaven of hell.

Paul talked about being absent from the body (which is another way of referring to his spirit leaving his body) and being present with the Lord (in heaven). He also talked about leaving this world and going to be with Christ. Christ is not in the grave, He is in Heaven, so Paul wasn't looking forward to just lying lifeless in his grave till the resurrection at the last day, but he was looking forward to being with the Lord immediately after his spirit left his body.

James said the body dies when the spirit leaves it.

Also the story is the rich man and Lazarus makes it even more vivid. Lazarus died and was carried to his eternal home while the rich man died and was carried to his eternal home also.

You know what, maybe I'm misinterpreting these scriptures.

I would like for you guys to please provide the correct interpretation of these scriptures.

Thanks.

Since all of the epistles were written to an audience of those who believed in Jesus Christ, it is safe to conclude that the reference to spirit has to do with the fact that they are born of Spirit and hence have eternal life - spirits are eternal.

James supposedly said that the body without the spirit is dead which is indeed true. Jesus Christ also referred to those "unbelievers" the dead in His statement to one who wanted to follow Him, "let the dead bury their dead" where the dead are the unbelievers/ sinners condemned to Death by God both since Adam and of the Old Covenant Law of Moses.

Hismasterpiece:
Luke 16:22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.
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Jesus Christ taught in parables in order to keep from the blind the truth of the Kingdom of God - Matthew 13 vs 10 - 16 - to instead of translating literally the content, you look for the lesson of it which is typically revealed by Jesus Christ somewhere in the same context.

Jesus Christ told the parable of Lazarus and the Rich man to an audience of Old Covenant Teachers of the Law and scribes, hence the mention included of Abraham's bosom and Moses Law. He was in no way trying to teach them the Old Law but instead teaching the New Covenant.

The reason however for Jesus Christ telling this parable, the lesson is found at the end of the chapter ...

29 “But Abraham said, ‘They have the Law of Moses and the writings of the prophets to read; let them learn from that.’

30 “The rich man said, ‘No, father Abraham! But if someone came to them from the dead, then they would decide to change their lives.’

31 “But Abraham said to him, ‘If your brothers won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they won’t listen to someone who comes back from the dead.’” - Luke 16 vs 29 - 31

...which is that no one will be sent back from the dead to warn anyone of impending doom and this in God's New Covenant, Jesus Christ.

Kobojunkiee:
Since all of the epistles were written to an audience of those who believed in Jesus Christ, it is safe to conclude that[b] the reference to spirit has to do with the fact that they are born of Spirit and hence have eternal life - spirits are eternal[/b].

James supposedly said that the body without the spirit is dead which is indeed true. Jesus Christ also referred to those "unbelievers" the dead in His statement to one who wanted to follow Him, "let the dead bury their dead" where the dead are the unbelievers/ sinners condemned to Death by God both since Adam and of the Old Covenant Law of Moses.

Neither the rich man nor lazarus were born of the spirit and the Jesus made mention of both their spirits being carried away into paradise and punishment respectively. The girl in luke 8:55 wasn't born of the spirit but the scriptures made reference to her 'spirit returning'.

Going by your belief only believers have spirits but the above scriptures don't seem to agree with your belief.

Hismasterpiece:
Neither the rich man nor lazarus were born of the spirit and the Jesus made mention of both their spirits being carried away into paradise and punishment respectively. The girl in luke 8:55 wasn't born of the spirit but the scriptures made reference to her 'spirit returning'.

Going by your belief only believers have spirits but the above scriptures don't seem to agree with your belief.

I already responded on the Lazarus and the Richman parable..

About the gal in Luke 8 vs 55, how do you know she was not born of spirit?

Kobojunkie:
1. Jesus Christ never said that only those who are Christians are born of Spirit... For one Spirits have eternal life and those who have eternal life, aka grace, do not perish in the grave but sleep.

2. We read from scripture that the righteous, from the beginning were given grace from Death(perish in the grave) aka. eternal life , by God - From Abel(whose blood cried out from His grave) to Enoch, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob etc., all of whom we are told either slept, rather than perish, in the grave or were taken away.

3. From [b]Deuteronomy 30 vs 15 - 20, we also know that God offered LIFE(eternal) to those of the Old Covenant who lived according to His Will. The offered of Death remained for these who refused to obey Him( the sinners of the Old agreement perish when they die). So, God's prophet's, including all others who lived righteous lives, received God's gift of Life - a declaration God reiterated in [/b]Ezekiel 18 vs 1 - 3 and Ezekiel 33 vs 10 - 20

The problem with this your train of thought is that even though God offered life (and not the eternal life revealed in the new testament) to those under the old covenant on the condition that they kept THE WHOLE LAW, you fail to notice that no one ever kept the whole law

Gal 6:13 For not even those who are circumcised keep the law, but they desire to have you circumcised that they may boast in your flesh.

Joh 8:7 So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."

Even the pharisees, who were supossed to be the holiest people in Jesus' day didn't keep the whole law

Mat 23:3 "Therefore whatever they tell you to observe, that observe and do, but do not do according to their works; for they say, and do not do.
Mat 23:4 "For they bind heavy burdens, hard to bear, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Mat 23:13 "But woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you shut up the kingdom of heaven against men; for you neither go in yourselves, nor do you allow those who are entering to go in.

Mat 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have neglected the weightier matters of the law: justice and mercy and faith. These you ought to have done, without leaving the others undone.

Kobojunkiee:
I already responded on the Lazarus and the Richman parable..

About the gal in [b]Luke 8 vs 55, how do you know she was not born of spirit[/b]?

Because she had died before she ever met Jesus and had the chance to believe in him.

And by the way, eternal life was made available after Jesus died and was raised.

So there was NO WAY that she could have been born again.

Hismasterpiece:
The problem with this your train of thought is that even though God offered life (and not the eternal life revealed in the new testament) to those under the old covenant on the condition that they kept THE WHOLE LAW, you fail to notice that no one ever kept the whole law

Again, the Life God offered to those of the Old Covenant is eternal life....the same Life He denied unbelieving men in Genesis 3 vs 20 - 22. The punishment for those who refused to obey God's commandment was given as Death and this as decreed by God in Genesis 3 vs 19 .

I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.” - Luke 5 vs 32

For this very reason , Jesus Christ, when He arrived, proclaimed that He had not come to save the righteous in the land - the Old Covenant righteous already had eternal life given them and so did not need to be saved - but only the sinners who were condemned by the law to perish in their graves - the walking dead.

Hismasterpiece:
Because she had died before she ever met Jesus and had the chance to believe in him.

And by the way, eternal life was made available after Jesus died and was raised.

So there was NO WAY that she could have been born again.

1. How do you know she never met Jesus Christ before she died though?

2. According to Jesus Christ, all those who were baptized in water - as preached by John the Baptist in Matthew 3 vs 7 - 11 - are saved from Death. And John the Baptist had been baptizing people before Jesus Christ showed up on the scene - even some Pharisees, showed up to be baptized by John. So, how do you know this girl had not been one of those baptized either by John or His disciples before her death?

3. You claim eternal life was made available after Jesus Christ died, and not before, yet we know the story of Lazarus, brother of Martha, who was loved by Jesus Christ, refutes that claim of yours.

Rather than perish upon death, Lazarus is reported to have slept in his grave, this by Jesus Christ. About Lazarus, we are not informed that he was a righteous man of the Old Covenant. Instead we are told that Lazarus was loved by Jesus Christ, who came to call the sinners to repentance.
Lazarus already had eternal life, this before Jesus Christ died on the cross. And what is even more telling is what Jesus Christ said of Lazarus's death being according to God's Will - that the father(LIFE Himself) may be glorified through the Son(Spirit of Life).

Hismasterpiece:
[i]Ecc 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.
Also the story is the rich man and Lazarus makes it even more vivid. Lazarus died and was carried to his eternal home while the rich man died and was carried to his eternal home also.
You know what, maybe I'm misinterpreting these scriptures.
I would like for you guys to please provide the correct interpretation of these scriptures.
Thanks.

The spirit in this context means the breath of life God put into man from the beginning {Genesis 2:7} it's the energizer for the body and without it the body is dead.
I wonder how you people often take the illustration of Lazarus and the man for a real life story. Jesus didn't say Lazarus was taken to "eternal home or heaven" as your Pastors Interpreted it for you what Jesus said is "Abraham's bosom" and according to Jesus Abraham was responding to the rich man (not Lazarus) all those standing with Jesus knew for sure that Abraham is dead and it's until the resurrection of the dead before Abraham can speak.
So it's either you accept the Interpretation that correlate with all other scriptures or you keep your Interpretation that the dead are living somewhere! Genesis 3:4

Hismasterpiece:
I have a question for you Jehovah's witnesses and i would like you to answer me honestly, please.
You believe that we humans are purely flesh and blood, and not spirits who are housed in bodies.
So how do you interpret this portion of scripture -
Mat 17:1 Now after six days Jesus took Peter, James, and John his brother, led them up on a high mountain by themselves;
Mat 17:2 and He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
Mat 17:3 And behold, Moses and Elijah appeared to them, talking with Him.
Mat 17:4 Then Peter answered and said to Jesus, "Lord, it is good for us to be here; if You wish, let us make here three tabernacles: one for You, one for Moses, and one for Elijah."

The text appears to indicate that Moses and Elijah who had died and were buried centuries before the coming of Jesus in the flesh appeared to Jesus and conversed with Him and the disciples were able to recognize them. If all dead saints and sinners are just asleep in their graves till the day of the resurrection (which is also the same day Jesus returns) as Jehovah's witnesses believe (or if sinners cease to exist when they die, as KoboJunkie believes), then what is the correct interpretation of this text?

This account is also recorded in Mark 9:2-6 and Luke 9:28-33.

Also, the portion of scripture that gives the account of how a medium that King Saul went to see summoned the spirit of the prophet Samuel below by performing a seance -

1Sa 28:7 Then Saul said to his servants, "Find me a woman who is a medium, that I may go to her and inquire of her." And his servants said to him, "In fact, there is a woman who is a medium at En Dor."
1Sa 28:8 So Saul disguised himself and put on other clothes, and he went, and two men with him; and they came to the woman by night. And he said, "Please conduct a seance for me, and bring up for me the one I shall name to you."
1Sa 28:9 Then the woman said to him, "Look, you know what Saul has done, how he has cut off the mediums and the spiritists from the land. Why then do you lay a snare for my life, to cause me to die?"
1Sa 28:10 And Saul swore to her by the LORD, saying, "As the LORD lives, no punishment shall come upon you for this thing."
1Sa 28:11 Then the woman said, "Whom shall I bring up for you?" And he said, "Bring up Samuel for me."
1Sa 28:12 When the woman saw Samuel, she cried out with a loud voice. And the woman spoke to Saul, saying, "Why have you deceived me? For you are Saul!"
1Sa 28:13 And the king said to her, "Do not be afraid. What did you see?" And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth."
1Sa 28:14 So he said to her, "What is his form?" And she said, "An old man is coming up, and he is covered with a mantle." And Saul perceived that it was Samuel, and he stooped with his face to the ground and bowed down.
1Sa 28:15 Now Samuel said to Saul, "Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?" And Saul answered, "I am deeply distressed; for the Philistines make war against me, and God has departed from me and does not answer me anymore, neither by prophets nor by dreams. Therefore I have called you, that you may reveal to me what I should do."
For me it is a confirmation of the doctrine that we humans are triune beings comprising of a spirit, soul and physical body as revealed to us in
1 Thessalonians 5:23 and also in other passages of scripture like James 2:26 and Eccle 12:7 among others.
Now according to KoboJunkie, all sinners are purely flesh and blood, but believers are the ones who get to be born of the spirit, and therefore become spirit beings but prior to believing were simply born of the flesh, and therefore were nothing more than flesh and blood.
And according to Jehovah's witnesses all humans are purely flesh and blood and when saints and sinners die they remain asleep in their graves till when Jesus returns. After which they will be resurrected. Saints will be given eternal life here on earth, while sinners will be annihilated or wipes out of existence. Therefore, the witnesses don't believe in a literal heaven for saints or hell for sinners.
But this text from 1 samuel clearly states - And the woman said to Saul, "I saw a spirit ascending out of the earth.". So nobody can say that she summoned a being made of flesh and blood, but rather, a spirit, thus confirming the doctrine that we humans are triune beings (spirits who have souls and live in bodies) which automatically confirms the doctrine that when a person's spirit departs from their body they go to their eternal home as revealed in Luke 16:19-31, 2 Corinthians 5:1-8, Heb 9:27, among others.
Because a person's spirit cannot just be roaming about the earth after it leaves the body (which isn't scriptural).
Anyways, MaxInDHouse, Janosky, Bishopkingsley, Emusan, KNOWMORE56, freshboi88, DappaD, KoboJunkie, Barristter07, let me have your opinions on this please.
And please no insults, as the Bible speaks against such.
Gracias.

Man has body, soul and spirit...!
even the people who said man does not have spirit cunningly attest to it when they agree that their GB will be in heaven as spirit being ( there is no record in the Word showing God is going to create spirit being at the end).

Let's see from the Word:

*. Isaiah 10:18 "KJV:And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, BOTH soul and body : and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth."

Note the word BOTH! This means the soul and body are not the same as JWs are claiming.

*. Mathew 10:28 "KJV:And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy BOTH soul and body in hell."

*. 1 thessalonians 5:23 "KJV:And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

*. Micah 6:7 "KJV:Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, or with ten thousands of rivers of oil? shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of MY BODY for the sin OF MY SOUL?"

MaxInDHouse:
The spirit in this context means the breath of life God put into man from the beginning {Genesis 2:7} it's the energizer for the body and without it the body is dead.
I wonder how you people often take the illustration of Lazarus and the man for a real life story. Jesus didn't say Lazarus was taken to "eternal home or heaven" as your Pastors Interpreted it for you what Jesus said is "Abraham's bosom" and according to Jesus Abraham was responding to the rich man (not Lazarus) all those standing with Jesus knew for sure that Abraham is dead and it's until the resurrection of the dead before Abraham can speak.
So it's either you accept the Interpretation that correlate with all other scriptures or you keep your Interpretation that the dead are living somewhere! Genesis 3:4

Why did you exclude the other scriptures i quoted from your reply. Please give a reply on all the scriptures i quoted. Thanks.

Hismasterpiece:
Why did you exclude the other scriptures i quoted from your reply. Please give a reply on all the scriptures i quoted. Thanks.

If you want a Bible study study then you need to contact one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES to study the Bible with you.
According to the Bible nothing survives the body after death, the energy (breath of life or spirit) returning to God doesn't represent you it's the same spirit or energy that God put in all other creatures too {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} and at death that power or actuating force sustaining the breath in all creatures rest in God's hands!

Hismasterpiece:
[i]Ecc 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

As for this last bit, the author does not specify that the spirit that returns to God is man's , and from reading earlier of Samuel from 1 Kings, his spirit remained in the earth where it rose from when called on by the which so it is likely the spirit referred to by the writer in Ecclesiastes is another kind of spirit, not a personal spirit like the one Samuel had.

We know God is Spirit, His Word is Spirit, His Life is Spirit, so it follows that even His breath, which He breathed into man and all living creatures - that gave life to clay - is spirit and this spirit returns to the maker once it's time on earth is done.

So it is possible the writer in Ecclesiastes was referring not to man's personal spirit which remains with those who have eternal life but instead the breath of life which returns to God upon death.

MaxInDHouse:
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According to the Bible nothing survives the body after death, the energy (breath of life or spirit) returning to God doesn't represent you it's the same spirit or energy that God put in all other creatures too {Ecclesiastes 3:19-20} and at death that power or actuating force sustaining the breath in all creatures rest in God's hands!

Hismasterpiece:
Ecc 12:7 Then the dust will return to the earth as it was, And the spirit will return to God who gave it.

Luke 8:54 But He put them all outside, took her by the hand and called, saying, "Little girl, arise."
Luke 8:55 Then her spirit returned, and she arose immediately. And He commanded that she be given something to eat.

Luke 16:22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried.
Luke 16:23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom.

James 2:26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

2Co 5:6 So we are always confident, knowing that while we are at home in the body we are absent from the Lord.
2Co 5:7 For we walk by faith, not by sight.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, yes, well pleased rather to be absent from the body and to be present with the Lord.

Php 1:22 But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell.
Php 1:23 For I am hard pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better.
Php 1:24 Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you.

Please how do you reconcile the belief that man is purely flesh and blood with these scriptures? All these scriptures point towards the doctrine that we are spirits who are housed in bodies and when a person dies their spirit leaves their body and goes to its eternal home in Heaven of hell.

Paul talked about being absent from the body (which is another way of referring to his spirit leaving his body) and being present with the Lord (in heaven). He also talked about leaving this world and going to be with Christ. Christ is not in the grave, He is in Heaven, so Paul wasn't looking forward to just lying lifeless in his grave till the resurrection at the last day, but he was looking forward to being with the Lord immediately after his spirit left his body.

James said the body dies when the spirit leaves it.

Also the story is the rich man and Lazarus makes it even more vivid. Lazarus died and was carried to his eternal home while the rich man died and was carried to his eternal home also.

You know what, maybe I'm misinterpreting these scriptures.

I would like for you guys to please provide the correct interpretation of these scriptures.

Thanks.

You've stll not answered my question... give me an answer to the scriptures above from phillipians and corinthians and all the rest i quoted above

Never mind my friend, go and worship your God in PEACE!

Hismasterpiece:
You've stll not answered my question... give me an answer to the scriptures above from phillipians and corinthians and all the rest i quoted above

MaxInDHouse:
Never mind my friend, go and worship your God in PEACE!

You say "your God" as if it isn't the same God we both worship