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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 10:28pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:
Beloved, take easy and slow down. I was not asking of the outright mention of the phrase speaking in tongues, but rather asked about the number of times when speaking in tongues being done was recorded in the bible.

I have advanced the answer to being 3 times, so next question to you was, what is the underlining common theme you notice in them three occasions, when you read Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 contextually

Bishopkingsley:
Tell me the underlying theme
You'll have to make the effort all by yourself. Meaning read over Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 contextually, then share what you observed the underlining common theme to be

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:31pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


Wow is this how you read the Bible wow no problem now I know what is inside you
You'll rather want it to read:
These signs shall follow them who pray in tongues...but it didn't read that: the promise is to those who BELIEVE!

Please, sit down with the Scriptures and with the Holy Spirit and ask Questions!
You will surely FIND, just as I did.

Forget the popular opinions
Forget the big men of God we rever so much
You shall know the truth, and the TRUTH shall set you FREE says Master Jesus!
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Acehart: 10:32pm On Sep 12, 2021
Sir, how does someone say “Amen” in tongues?

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 10:33pm On Sep 12, 2021
shadeyinka:
Just one scripture that commands us to ALL pray in tongues?
I am saying concentrate on the other things rather than praying in tongues as praying in tongues is not useful for PUBLIC exhortation.

Your problem is not knowing the DIFFERENCE between the GIFT of tongues (which is useful for public exhortation) and the operation in tongues (praying in tongues) for personal edification. Until you know the difference will you have a breakthrough in ministry.

I am saying without mincing words that most christians who specialize in praying in tongues are empty barrels that make loud noise in terms of their Public Ministry!
This is the plain truth: just look around and see!
What is the name your mother tongue is called? Is it a gift of speaking in tongues or not?
Where did your gift of speaking in your mother tongue come from? Is it from God or from the devil?
Do you pray in your mother tongue or you dont pray using your mother tongue?

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:33pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:


You'll have to make the effort all by yourself. Meaning read over Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 contextually, then share what you observed the underlining common theme to be

Funny I gave you permission to teach me your own revelation let me see if it in line with the scriptures that how I do things

It up to you to share your insights
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Bishopkingsley(m): 10:36pm On Sep 12, 2021
Acehart:
Sir, how does someone say “Amen” in tongues?

Bible said your mind is un fruitful when you speak in tongues so no need to ask what amen means

If you desire it or when you receive it I will show you more deep things about it
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 10:38pm On Sep 12, 2021
Acehart:
Sir, how does someone say “Amen” in tongues?
I see what you're doing there.
Apostle Paul, 2000 years ago, also asked that question. You're in good company, you must have been sitting on the shoulder of Apostle Paul to have asked that question

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:43pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:
It seems you don't know that the father had the Gift of Faith, but wasn't able to wield the faith into operation. His faith wasn't functioning well enough, hence he cried out to Jesus, to help him maximise his operation in faith

You'll talking codswallop if you're saying not all believers have the gift of faith

2 Timothy 1:7 NKJV
'For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind'

Do you know what FEAR, stands for? It stands for 'False Evidence Appearing Real'
Tell me, what is the one word, remedy, for fear or tell me what the one word antidote to fear is?

Hebrews 11:1
'Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.'

Romans 10:17
'So faith comes from hearing [what is told],
and what is heard comes by the [preaching of the] message concerning Christ.
'

'even an unbeliever can have faith on hearing the word of God for salvation' sic and the reason for that, is because it is a gift from God

You've just parroted what I earlier typed that 'Every believer has the gift of faith, albeit they are in different measurable levels, hence the historic 'I do believe: strengthen my weak faith' plea'

Please advance your answers to the following earlier asked you. Thanks
What is the name your mother tongue is called? Is it a gift of speaking in tongues or not?
Where did your gift of speaking in your mother tongue come from? Is it from God or from the devil?
1 Corinthians 12:30
Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?



According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of healing?
According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of tongues?
According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of interpretation of tongues?

Does it mean that the believers referred to were dumb (for obviously they obviously spoke at least Hebrew or Greek)
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:47pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:
What is the name your mother tongue is called? Is it a gift of speaking in tongues or not?
Where did your gift of speaking in your mother tongue come from? Is it from God or from the devil?
Do you pray in your mother tongue or you dont pray using your mother tongue?
I learnt my mother tongue Yoruba
I learnt the Nigerian Lingua Franca: English Language

Even, the unbelievers learnt the same set of languages, how then can they be SPIRITUAL GIFTS?

What is special with my ability to Speak Yoruba when the IFA Herbalist speak a better Yoruba than me?
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 10:54pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:
Funny I gave you permission to teach me your own revelation let me see if it in line with the scriptures that how I do things

It up to you to share your insights
I am your cheerleader, not your teacher. Jesus is your Teacher. The Spirit of Truth shows you things and you'll see them if you pay attention

I've illuminated for you. I've beamed a torch into the enclosure and lit it up for you. Its up to you to see. Midwives help to deliver babies, they dont physically birth the babies. That is up to the moms to do and they do that from pushing. You'll have to push beloved Bishopkingsley. I cant push for you. Nothing in life comes easy, not even childbirth

Do not lose heart. The man who never weaken, when the odds are against him, will grow stronger and stronger. What doesn't kill a fighter doesn't make them stronger

Bishopkingsley beloved, straws upon the surface flow. He who would seek for pearls, must learn to dive below. Please do a 2 Timothy 2:15. That is meaning, study and do your best to present yourself to God approved. Be a good worker, [tested by trial] One who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth, accurately handling and skillfully dividing the word of truth.

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 10:59pm On Sep 12, 2021
BassReeves:
It seems you don't know that the father had the Gift of Faith, but wasn't able to wield the faith into operation. His faith wasn't functioning well enough, hence he cried out to Jesus, to help him maximise his operation in faith

I honestly don't know where the modern day Christians get their doctrines.
You swallow whatever you heard from your big men of God withouth thinking
1. If the Father has the Gift of Faith, who Gave Him
Hebrew 11:3
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.

2. Where did the Father ask Jesus for Help with respect to His Faith?

You have surely confused yourself o. Is there a scripture to justify this?


BassReeves:

You'll talking codswallop if you're saying not all believers have the gift of faith

2 Timothy 1:7 NKJV
'For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind'

Do you know what FEAR, stands for? It stands for 'False Evidence Appearing Real'
Tell me, what is the one word, remedy, for fear or tell me what the one word antidote to fear is?

Hebrews 11:1
'Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.'

Romans 10:17
'So faith comes from hearing [what is told],
and what is heard comes by the [preaching of the] message concerning Christ.
'

'even an unbeliever can have faith on hearing the word of God for salvation' sic and the reason for that, is because it is a gift from God

You've just parroted what I earlier typed that 'Every believer has the gift of faith, albeit they are in different measurable levels, hence the historic 'I do believe: strengthen my weak faith' plea'

Please advance your answers to the following earlier asked you. Thanks
What is the name your mother tongue is called? Is it a gift of speaking in tongues or not?
Where did your gift of speaking in your mother tongue come from? Is it from God or from the devil?
When does a person receive the gift of faith?
If we already have the gift of faith, why are we commanded to have faith in God?

Don't just swallow whatever you hear sweet mouthed preachers preach.
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Acehart: 11:03pm On Sep 12, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


Bible said your mind is un fruitful when you speak in tongues so no need to ask what amen means

If you desire it or when you receive it I will show you more deep things about it

How does one say “mother” in tongues?

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 12:00am On Sep 13, 2021
shadeyinka:
1 Corinthians 12:30
Do all possess gifts of healing? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret?


According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of healing?
According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of tongues?
According to the scripture above does every believer have the gift of interpretation of tongues?
So you want to play hardball. Right?
No problem, I know how to play hardball. Lets play hardball with you then
1. Do all believers have equal and exact measure of spiritual gifts?
2. Are there believers, in your understanding, who have absolutely nothing spiritual gifts?
3. Did Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, Mary etc have any spiritual gift of faith at all?

shadeyinka:
Does it mean that the believers referred to were dumb (for obviously they obviously spoke at least Hebrew or Greek)
Acts 2:1-13
'1When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place,
2and suddenly a sound came from heaven like a rushing violent wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
3There appeared to them tongues resembling fire, which were being distributed [among them], and they rested on each one of them [as each person received the Holy Spirit].
4And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].
5Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout and God-fearing men from every nation under heaven.
6And when this sound was heard, a crowd gathered, and they were bewildered because each one was hearing those in the upper room speaking in his own language or dialect.
7They were completely astonished, saying, “Look! Are not all of these who are speaking Galileans?
8Then how is it that each of us hears in our own language or native dialect?
9[Among us there are] Parthians, Medes and Elamites, and people of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia [Minor], 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and the visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes (Gentile converts to Judaism),
11Cretans and Arabs--we all hear them speaking in our [native] tongues about the mighty works of God!”
12And they were beside themselves with amazement and were greatly perplexed, saying one to another, “What could this mean?”
13But others were laughing and joking and ridiculing them, saying, “They are full of sweet wine and are drunk!”
'

Of course, the visitors from Rome at least, would hear the Gospel spoken to them in Greek

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 12:01am On Sep 13, 2021
shadeyinka:
I learnt my mother tongue Yoruba
I learnt the Nigerian Lingua Franca: English Language

Even, the unbelievers learnt the same set of languages, how then can they be SPIRITUAL GIFTS?

What is special with my ability to Speak Yoruba when the IFA Herbalist speak a better Yoruba than me?
What is special, is that you are, at least, not dumb.

The ability to speak is a spiritual gift from God. Often you'll hear people say that it is a spiritual attack that's the reason behind someoneone being deaf and dumb. Isnt it that how you hear some people trying to rationalise the cause or reason for the deafness and dumbness?

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 12:01am On Sep 13, 2021
shadeyinka:
I honestly don't know where the modern day Christians get their doctrines.
Probably same source and place you get yours from. I think you share the same dealer with them

shadeyinka:
[s]You swallow whatever you heard from your big men of God withouth thinking[/s]
Are you normal? Have you come off your medication or you've been hacked into?

shadeyinka:
1. If the Father has the Gift of Faith, who Gave Him
Hebrew 11:3
3 By faith we understand that the universe was formed at God’s command, so that what is seen was not made out of what was visible.
Mark 9:24
'17A man in the crowd answered, “Teacher, I brought my son to you, because he has an evil spirit in him and cannot talk.
18Whenever the spirit attacks him, it throws him to the ground, and he foams at the mouth, grits his teeth, and becomes stiff all over. I asked your disciples to drive the spirit out, but they could not.”
19Jesus said to them, “How unbelieving you people are! How long must I stay with you? How long do I have to put up with you? Bring the boy to me!”
20They brought him to Jesus.
As soon as the spirit saw Jesus, it threw the boy into a fit, so that he fell on the ground and rolled around, foaming at the mouth.
21“How long has he been like this?” Jesus asked the father.
“Ever since he was a child,” he replied.
22“Many times the evil spirit has tried to kill him by throwing him in the fire and into water. Have pity on us and help us, if you possibly can!”

23“Yes,” said Jesus, “if you yourself can! Everything is possible for the person who has faith.”
24The father at once cried out, "I do have faith, but not enough. Help me have more!"'

I repeat that the father had the Gift of Faith, but wasn't able to wield the faith into operation. His faith wasn't functioning well enough, hence he cried out to Jesus, to help him maximise his operation in faith

Every good gift comes from above, so means it was God who gave the father the gift

shadeyinka:
2. Where did the Father ask Jesus for Help with respect to His Faith?

You have surely confused yourself o. Is there a scripture to justify this?
Its you who is utterly confused about all this. The Father asked Jesus for Help with respect to His Faith at Mark 9:24

shadeyinka:
When does a person receive the gift of faith?
If we already have the gift of faith, why are we commanded to have faith in God?
Hebrews 11:6
'But without faith it is impossible to [walk with God and] please Him,
for whoever comes [near] to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists
and that He rewards those who [earnestly and diligently] seek Him
'

It is because faith is the currency of the Kingdom of Heaven. Also that, without faith, it is impossible to please God.

shadeyinka:
Don't just swallow whatever you hear sweet mouthed preachers preach.
The acid in my stomach neutralises whatever I hear ignoranuses like you and sweet mouthed preachers preach
Mind you, faith comes in different sizes

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:40am On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
I am your cheerleader, not your teacher. Jesus is your Teacher. The Spirit of Truth shows you things and you'll see them if you pay attention

I've illuminated for you. I've beamed a torch into the enclosure and lit it up for you. Its up to you to see. Midwives help to deliver babies, they dont physically birth the babies. That is up to the moms to do and they do that from pushing. You'll have to push beloved Bishopkingsley. I cant push for you. Nothing in life comes easy, not even childbirth

Do not lose heart. The man who never weaken, when the odds are against him, will grow stronger and stronger. What doesn't kill a fighter doesn't make them stronger

Bishopkingsley beloved, straws upon the surface flow. He who would seek for pearls, must learn to dive below. Please do a 2 Timothy 2:15. That is meaning, study and do your best to present yourself to God approved. Be a good worker, [tested by trial] One who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly explains the word of truth, accurately handling and skillfully dividing the word of truth.

Paul gave a hint what made him more superior to other men of God

He talked about the visions and revelation God gave him and God use to give him

I have been fortunate to equally been shown a lot of visions and revelation

So am not puffed up or proud because I understand we know in part we all must listen to others John the Baptist Baptised Jesus

When we become to big to refuse any one to teach us it a dangerous place to be in so am not to big to learn

If you share what is in the word of God I will know if it in line with the scriptures because I eat Bible all the time

I have heard many men of God because it gives me joy to hear them

So bring what you have let see
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Bishopkingsley(m): 12:44am On Sep 13, 2021
Acehart:


How does one say “mother” in tongues?

Bye
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 4:18am On Sep 13, 2021
Bishopkingsley:
Paul gave a hint what made him more superior to other men of God

He talked about the visions and revelation God gave him and God use to give him

I have been fortunate to equally been shown a lot of visions and revelation

So am not puffed up or proud because I understand we know in part we all must listen to others John the Baptist Baptised Jesus
I didnt ask you to blow your trumpet nor sing your own praises.

Bishopkingsley:
When we become to big to refuse any one to teach us it a dangerous place to be in so am not to big to learn

If you share what is in the word of God I will know if it in line with the scriptures because I eat Bible all the time
The search for truth is the most important work in the whole world and the most dangerous. Dont expect having truth laid on a platter for you. No, not anymore, like I earlier did, am I going to spoon feed you with answers. I will only point you, in the right direction to look.

Now, if indeed, you 'eat Bible all the time' then means, you will know the words '... seek and ye shall find ... one who seeks, finds' in the Bible and then means you understand the implication of the advice.

Bishopkingsley:
I have heard many men of God because it gives me joy to hear them

So bring what you have let see
Your habit of typing replies that are 'personal' are always pointless and equally irritating, when all you were asked to do, is say what you see, after all, observation is not a crime.

Why is when you're given the opportunity to shine, to prove that you're a strong adherent of the spirit of 2 Timothy 2:15, you skirt around the issue. Do not claim you want to grow, then run away from your responsibilities and expectations, the minute you feel growing pains

Do the recommended contextual reading of Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 on your own and after that, report back with what is the underlining recurring theme you noticed that happened in the three occasions of the group of people speaking in tongues in them Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 recorded passages

Dont always look for other people to do work for you. Opportunity is knocking, open the door, don't build a wall. Activate your lateral thinking. Think outside the box, prove you have good head on and can be a great detective

I understand that you can be standing right in front of the truth and not necessarily see it, and that people only see and get it, when they're ready to see and get what is the underlining recurring theme noticed happened in the three occasions of the group of people speaking in tongues in them Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 recorded passages

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Acehart: 4:47am On Sep 13, 2021
Bishopkingsley:


Bye

I asked you two questions and you did not provide a reasonable response- it leaves a lot to be desired especially from one who calls himself a Bishop, a married saint, one in charge of many churches, are you?

I’d like to ask these questions and I pray that one who claims to be able to carry out ordinations, having a full time job of visiting the widows and the fatherless, responds with meekness and sincerity:

1. Before the fall, when God spoke to Adam, what language did He speak converse with and what language did Adam respond with?
2. When God visited Abraham at Mamre, with what language did He speak to Abraham and his wife?
3. When God visited Manoah and his wife, with what language did the couple converse with God in?
4. When God spoke with the “coward” threshing wheat at a wine press, what language did the “coward” pray in?
5. When God spoke on Sinai to the mixed multitude that left the Egypt, people who spoke different languages, in what language did He speak to them and in what language did they respond?

Time would not permit me to ask more than these. Whatever you response is, please remember these words: Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow.

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Bishopkingsley(m): 4:58am On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
I didnt ask you to blow your trumpet nor sing your own praises.

The search for truth is the most important work in the whole world and the most dangerous. Dont expect having truth laid on a platter for you. No, not anymore, like I earlier did, am I going to spoon feed you with answers. I will only point you, in the right direction to look.

Now, if indeed, you 'eat Bible all the time' then means, you will know the words '... seek and ye shall find ... one who seeks, finds' in the Bible and then means you understand the implication of the advice.

Your habit of typing replies that are 'personal' are always pointless and equally irritating, when all you were asked to do, is say what you see, after all, observation is not a crime.

Why is when you're given the opportunity to shine, to prove that you're a strong adherent of the spirit of 2 Timothy 2:15, you skirt around the issue. Do not claim you want to grow, then run away from your responsibilities and expectations, the minute you feel growing pains

Do the recommended contextual reading of Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 on your own and after that, report back with what is the underlining recurring theme you noticed that happened in the three occasions of the group of people speaking in tongues in them Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 recorded passages

Dont always look for other people to do work for you. Opportunity is knocking, open the door, don't build a wall. Activate your lateral thinking. Think outside the box, prove you have good head on and can be a great detective

I understand that you can be standing right in front of the truth and not necessarily see it, and that people only see and get it, when they're ready to see and get what is the underlining recurring theme noticed happened in the three occasions of the group of people speaking in tongues in them Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 recorded passages

No problem BassReeves when you are ready you spill the beans

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:20am On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
Probably same source and place you get yours from. I think you share the same dealer with them

Are you normal? Have you come off your medication or you've been hacked into?
Some words are not fit for Gods children


BassReeves:

Mark 9:24
'17A man in the crowd answered, “Teacher, I brought my son to you, because he has an evil spirit in him and cannot talk.
18Whenever the spirit attacks him, it throws him to the ground, and he foams at the mouth, grits his teeth, and becomes stiff all over. I asked your disciples to drive the spirit out, but they could not.”
19Jesus said to them, “How unbelieving you people are! How long must I stay with you? How long do I have to put up with you? Bring the boy to me!”
20They brought him to Jesus.
As soon as the spirit saw Jesus, it threw the boy into a fit, so that he fell on the ground and rolled around, foaming at the mouth.
21“How long has he been like this?” Jesus asked the father.
“Ever since he was a child,” he replied.
22“Many times the evil spirit has tried to kill him by throwing him in the fire and into water. Have pity on us and help us, if you possibly can!”

23“Yes,” said Jesus, “if you yourself can! Everything is possible for the person who has faith.”
24The father at once cried out, "I do have faith, but not enough. Help me have more!"'

I repeat that the father had the Gift of Faith, but wasn't able to wield the faith into operation. His faith wasn't functioning well enough, hence he cried out to Jesus, to help him maximise his operation in faith

Every good gift comes from above, so means it was God who gave the father the gift

Its you who is utterly confused about all this. The Father asked Jesus for Help with respect to His Faith at Mark 9:24
Pardon me, your phrase "the father!" was mistaken for God the Father (as there was never a pre-reference to this father) I assumed you speak the unthinkable.

BassReeves:

Hebrews 11:6
'But without faith it is impossible to [walk with God and] please Him,
for whoever comes [near] to God must [necessarily] believe that God exists
and that He rewards those who [earnestly and diligently] seek Him
'

It is because faith is the currency of the Kingdom of Heaven. Also that, without faith, it is impossible to please God.

The acid in my stomach neutralises whatever I hear ignoranuses like you and sweet mouthed preachers preach
Mind you, faith comes in different sizes
Your problem I think is that you have no clue as to the differences between the GIFT of faith and faith in use.

The father of the boy obviously had little Faith BUT not the gift of Faith.
The GIFT of the holy Spirit is only Given to a person who has been given the Holy Spirit: in Him (through the Holy Spirit) in us do we have the GIFT.

The gifts of the holy Spirit include the OFFICE GIFTs (Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Evangelist and Pastor) and the SERVICE GIFTs( Faith, the gifts of Healing, the gift of Miracles, the Discernment of spirits, Diverse kinds of Tongues, Interpretation of Tongues).

If your claim is that an unbeliever ALREADY have these gifts, the implication is that the gifts are not given either AT or AFTER Salvation, there is no reason for the Holy Spirit to be Received

1 Corinthians 12:7-11
“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.”



1 Corinthians 12:27-31
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it. 28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret? 31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.

By your admission, even Muslims, Idol worshippers and Atheists ALREADY have the gifts of the Holy Spirit only that they are in small sizes SMH!
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:31am On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
What is special, is that you are, at least, not dumb.

The ability to speak is a spiritual gift from God. Often you'll hear people say that it is a spiritual attack that's the reason behind someoneone being deaf and dumb. Isnt it that how you hear some people trying to rationalise the cause or reason for the deafness and dumbness?
Any ability that can be learnt is NOT a spiritual gift BUT a Natural talent.

There is a difference between your Natural Talent and Your Spiritual Gifts.
Spiritual Gifts are supernatural abilities given by the Holy Spirit to a child of God for the building up of the body of Christ.
It is possible for a person's talents to be upgraded to a Spiritual Gift but a talent is NOT a spiritual gift.

A natural talent is a GIFT of God BUT it isn't a spiritual gift exe3pt your understanding of the definition of spiritual gift is warped.
1 Cor 4:8
For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?


Our senses are gifts of God, YET they aren't Spiritual Gifts: they are natural
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 6:56am On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
So you want to play hardball. Right?
No problem, I know how to play hardball. Lets play hardball with you then
1. Do all believers have equal and exact measure of spiritual gifts?
2. Are there believers, in your understanding, who have absolutely nothing spiritual gifts?
3. Did Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, Mary etc have any spiritual gift of faith at all?

Acts 2:1-13
'1When the day of Pentecost had come, they were all together in one place,
2and suddenly a sound came from heaven like a rushing violent wind, and it filled the whole house where they were sitting.
3There appeared to them tongues resembling fire, which were being distributed [among them], and they rested on each one of them [as each person received the Holy Spirit].
4And they were all filled [that is, diffused throughout their being] with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues (different languages), as the Spirit was giving them the ability to speak out [clearly and appropriately].
5Now there were Jews living in Jerusalem, devout and God-fearing men from every nation under heaven.
6And when this sound was heard, a crowd gathered, and they were bewildered because each one was hearing those in the upper room speaking in his own language or dialect.
7They were completely astonished, saying, “Look! Are not all of these who are speaking Galileans?
8Then how is it that each of us hears in our own language or native dialect?
9[Among us there are] Parthians, Medes and Elamites, and people of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia [Minor], 10Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the districts of Libya around Cyrene, and the visitors from Rome, both Jews and proselytes (Gentile converts to Judaism),
11Cretans and Arabs--we all hear them speaking in our [native] tongues about the mighty works of God!”
12And they were beside themselves with amazement and were greatly perplexed, saying one to another, “What could this mean?”
13But others were laughing and joking and ridiculing them, saying, “They are full of sweet wine and are drunk!”
'

Of course, the visitors from Rome at least, would hear the Gospel spoken to them in Greek




Are all Christians having the Gift of Faith?
Are all Christians having the Gift of Giving?
Are all Christians having the Gift of Discernment of Spirits?
Are All Christian having the gifts and calling of the Evangelist?
Are All Christian having the gifts and calling of the Teacher?

1 Corinthians 12:29-30
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?


BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to TEACH and DISCIPLE others?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to have FAITH?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to GIVE?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to EVANGELISE others?

According to 1 Corinthians 12:29-30, christians DO NOT have all the gifts even though we are ALL expected to function in some areas (with or without a special gifting for such)
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 7:54am On Sep 13, 2021
Bishopkingsley:
No problem BassReeves when you are ready you spill the beans
I am a catalytic agent, meaning I am akin to a light, encouraging the flower to open.

Have you watched a firefly and noticed that as it opens its wings, you see the light, as it closes its wings, there is darkness.

Wtf. Someone like you who is spiritually mature and so should be ready to answer simple, easy, direct, innocent, harmless and straightforward questions, dont display the spiritually matureness to be ready to answer simple, easy, direct, innocent, harmless, and straightforward questions. Instead you are putting pressure on me to force feed you

Open your wings and fly. What good are wings without the courage to fly. Dont clam up, dont close up. Truth is like the sun. You can shut it out for a time, but it doesnt mean, its gone away. The ball, beloved, is in your court.

Or probably because it won't fit your rant and rave, you won't bother to, while under the guidance of the Holy Spirit aka Spirit of Truth, actually go study the three occasions in Acts 2:4, Acts 10:44-46 and Acts 19:6 that recorded, a group of people speaking in tongues after the resurrection of our Lord and Saviour of the world, Jesus Christ and report back what the recurring theme was in the three passages

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 12:15pm On Sep 13, 2021
shadeyinka:
Some words are not fit for Gods children
I paid you back in your own currency

shadeyinka:
Pardon me, your phrase "the father!" was mistaken for God the Father (as there was never a pre-reference to this father) I assumed you speak the unthinkable.
From now on, be quick to listen, slow to speak or type

shadeyinka:
Your problem I think is that you have no clue as to the differences between the GIFT of faith and faith in use.
Thats exactly what your problem is. You think wrongly because I'll run circles round you, telling you about the GIFT of faith and faith in use.

shadeyinka:
The father of the boy obviously had little Faith BUT not the gift of Faith.
The GIFT of the holy Spirit is only Given to a person who has been given the Holy Spirit: in Him (through the Holy Spirit) in us do we have the GIFT.
You are nothing other than a comedian who really shouldn't be taking seriously. I suppose on the strength of the nonsense comment you typed here, you're going rip out of your bible, the Hebrew's Hall of faith fame list. Hmm?

shadeyinka:
The gifts of the holy Spirit include the OFFICE GIFTs (Apostle, Prophet, Teacher, Evangelist and Pastor) and the SERVICE GIFTs (Faith, the gifts of Healing, the gift of Miracles, the Discernment of spirits, Diverse kinds of Tongues, Interpretation of Tongues)
You're worse than a Pharisee. You're a 21st century Far-I See

shadeyinka:
If your claim is that an unbeliever ALREADY have these gifts, the implication is that the gifts are not given either AT or AFTER Salvation, there is no reason for the Holy Spirit to be Received

1 Corinthians 12:7-11
“But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills.”


1 Corinthians 12:27-31
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and each one of you is a part of it.
28 And God has placed in the church first of all apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, of helping, of guidance, and of different kinds of tongues.
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles?
30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues[d]? Do all interpret?
31 Now eagerly desire the greater gifts.


By your admission, even Muslims, Idol worshippers and Atheists ALREADY have the gifts of the Holy Spirit only that they are in small sizes SMH!
Be busy under the influence of Satan be doing a contextomy with my comments

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 12:15pm On Sep 13, 2021
shadeyinka:

Any ability that can be learnt is NOT a spiritual gift BUT a Natural talent.

There is a difference between your Natural Talent and Your Spiritual Gifts.
Spiritual Gifts are supernatural abilities given by the Holy Spirit to a child of God for the building up of the body of Christ.
It is possible for a person's talents to be upgraded to a Spiritual Gift but a talent is NOT a spiritual gift.

A natural talent is a GIFT of God BUT it isn't a spiritual gift exe3pt your understanding of the definition of spiritual gift is warped.
1 Cor 4:8
For who makes you different from anyone else? What do you have that you did not receive? And if you did receive it, why do you boast as though you did not?


Our senses are gifts of God, YET they aren't Spiritual Gifts: they are natural
James 1:17
'Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens.
He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.
'

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by BassReeves: 12:18pm On Sep 13, 2021
shadeyinka:

Are all Christians having the Gift of Faith?
Are all Christians having the Gift of Giving?
Are all Christians having the Gift of Discernment of Spirits?
Are All Christian having the gifts and calling of the Evangelist?
Are All Christian having the gifts and calling of the Teacher?

1 Corinthians 12:29-30
29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Do all work miracles? 30 Do all have gifts of healing? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret?


BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to TEACH and DISCIPLE others?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to have FAITH?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to GIVE?
BUT aren't ALL Christians expected to EVANGELISE others?

According to 1 Corinthians 12:29-30, christians DO NOT have all the gifts even though we are ALL expected to function in some areas (with or without a special gifting for such)
You better reply to my post, asking. So you want to play hardball. Right?
No problem, I know how to play hardball. Lets play hardball with you then
1. Do all believers have equal and exact measure of spiritual gifts?
2. Are there believers, in your understanding, who have absolutely nothing spiritual gifts?
3. Did Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, Mary etc have any spiritual gift of faith at all or not?

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:21pm On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
You better reply to my post, asking. So you want to play hardball. Right?
No problem, I know how to play hardball. Lets play hardball with you then
1. Do all believers have equal and exact measure of spiritual gifts?
No!

BassReeves:

2. Are there believers, in your understanding, who have absolutely nothing spiritual gifts?
A believer has at least ONE spiritual gift


BassReeves:

3. Did Eve, Noah, Abraham, Moses, Rahab, David, Mary etc have any spiritual gift of faith at all or not?
No, they do not! They all operated in faith but They do not have the spiritual Gift of Faith.

I can play football, but I don't have the necessary skill to be a footballer

I draw, but I don't have the necessary skills to be an artist.

I sing, yet I am not a gifted singer.

If you can understand the three examples above.

Ronaldo, J.J. Okocha have the natural giftings of football playing not just anyone who can kick a football
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:48pm On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
James 1:17
'Whatever is good and perfect is a gift coming down to us from God our Father, who created all the lights in the heavens.
He never changes or casts a shifting shadow.
'
What is the difference between spiritual gifts and natural talent?. They both come from God isnt it?
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by shadeyinka(m): 7:49pm On Sep 13, 2021
BassReeves:
I paid you back in your own currency

From now on, be quick to listen, slow to speak or type

Thats exactly what your problem is. You think wrongly because I'll run circles round you, telling you about the GIFT of faith and faith in use.

You are nothing other than a comedian who really shouldn't be taking seriously. I suppose on the strength of the nonsense comment you typed here, you're going rip out of your bible, the Hebrew's Hall of faith fame list. Hmm?

You're worse than a Pharisee. You're a 21st century Far-I See

Be busy under the influence of Satan be doing a contextomy with my comments
? ? ?
Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Nobody: 8:19pm On Sep 13, 2021
Another hyper grace preacher spotted, once saved forever saved preaching.

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Re: ⚫Those Who Speak In Tongues and those who Believe In Jesus Can Never Go To Hell by Bishopkingsley(m): 8:50pm On Sep 13, 2021
Nuttella:
Another hyper grace preacher spotted, once saved forever saved preaching.

Every thing I said is in the Bible

Unless you don't believe the Bible

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