RiceProducers:


Actually cows are wandering about Ondo State as we speak.

I passed four sets cattle grazers along Dangote Refinery road at Ibeju Lekki, Lagos last week.

I am waiting to see the first six sets of successful arrest, trial and jailing of herdsmen in this country.
You will explain when Nigeria became S. Africa of the 60s.

We are railing everyday against state laws that appear to be unconstitutional like Sharia, banning alcohol or ethnically or vocational targeted laws and people think it is right to arrest herders that are not trespassing peoples farms.

You will tell me why street traders are roaming free and people violating town planning laws have not been arrested.

States should sit down and agree with FG areas to use as cattle zones within each state where people can establish ranches cheaply because of shared services that will make it cheap. Those cattle zones not 'grazing' zones should permit a controlled number of grazers.

The state will own the cattle zones and issue c of o only to the ranchers. Grazers will operate only with permits.

Ranching is expensive and the land take could also drive away crop farmers. The cheapest way to do it is via shared services of water, foliage, silage, veterinarian and the all-important transportation costs.

Herders on transit does not mean they would not trespass someone's farm or allotment when out of sight.

My Uncle's farm in Kabba lies fallow because of nomadic grazing or is he a second class citizen where cows and man gazumps his land but he cannot respond or chaos ensues.

That I used to allow an entity access to my well doesn't mean they become entitled to demand water or break my wall when I decide to fence it off for my own reasons. That grazing routes were allowed in the past doesn't mean it could continue forever. Our population is outstripping available spaces with land prices creeping up year on year.

High time the Northerners get with the time and embrace or start transiting to more modern forms of livestock rearing. That we have to spoon feed them via that process isn't a must. Same country gave us all equal opportunities to learn, become knowledgeable amongst others but their failure to embrace modern life should not be a burden for us all to endure.

https://www.africaresearchinstitute.org/newsite/blog/boko-harams-shifting-tactics-cameroon-data-tell-us/

Nice read

BlackBaron:

Herders on transit does not mean they would not trespass someone's farm or allotment when out of sight.

My Uncle's farm in Kabba lies fallow because of nomadic grazing or is he a second class citizen where cows and man gazumps his land but he cannot respond or chaos ensues.

That I used to allow an entity access to my well doesn't mean they become entitled to demand water or break my wall when I decide to fence it off for my own reasons. That grazing routes were allowed in the past doesn't mean it could continue forever. Our population is outstripping available spaces with land prices creeping up year on year.

High time the Northerners get with the time and embrace or start transiting to more modern forms of livestock rearing. That we have to spoon feed them via that process isn't a must. Same country gave us all equal opportunities to learn, become knowledgeable amongst others but their failure to embrace modern life should not be a burden for us all to endure.

There are certain plants your uncle can plant around his farm cattles react very badly to, in some cases it causes permanent growth retardation. This will prevent any incursion into his farm.

BlackBaron:

Herders on transit does not mean they would not trespass someone's farm or allotment when out of sight.

My Uncle's farm in Kabba lies fallow because of nomadic grazing or is he a second class citizen where cows and man gazumps his land but he cannot respond or chaos ensues.

That I used to allow an entity access to my well doesn't mean they become entitled to demand water or break my wall when I decide to fence it off for my own reasons. That grazing routes were allowed in the past doesn't mean it could continue forever. Our population is outstripping available spaces with land prices creeping up year on year.

High time the Northerners get with the time and embrace or start transiting to more modern forms of livestock rearing. That we have to spoon feed them via that process isn't a must. Same country gave us all equal opportunities to learn, become knowledgeable amongst others but their failure to embrace modern life should not be a burden for us all to endure.

The cattle zones idea that I just mentioned is a more modern approach.
It is hybrid ranching and grazing.

Who told you Ranching is a modern practice?. That's another Nigerian lie told by we the 'superior' southerners.

There was ranching mentioned in the Bible. That was 3000 years before Christ.
Jacob worked his ass off in a ranch just to raise dowry to marry.
You guys just mouth these bullshit and lies everywhere about ranching being modern. Lori iro

And this nonsense about spoon feeding.
Who is being spoon fed?.
There are more than five CBN / World Bank supported programmes targeting crop farmers and their value chains. There is ZERO for livestock farmers.

Spoonfeeding?

The country is just shameless. Upon all the N600bn a CBN assistance, it is a struggle for crop farmers to improve their land productivity. Nigerian is producing all crops worse than every other country in earth but it is herdsmen that is your problem.

Very soon the UN is going to get involved. Wasting land, cutting vegetation senselessky because you can't apply modern processes to you lr crop farming.
Did I also mention that as much as 70% of CBN provided seedlings, fertilizers, herbicides and insecticides are sold illegally by crop farmers?
So upon all the spoonfeeding by governments our farmers are also thieves.

We need to inflict the truth on people in this country. It is a country of liars.

Odunayaw:
Preach this to yourself every morning and you'd see how much nuisance you bring on this thread at times

K

Now you can go and die!

Boko Haram cripples governance in Niger communities, fixes marital age for girls

Boko Haram insurgents are coercing residents of Shiroro Local Government Area of Niger State to marry off their daughters at the age of 12 years.

Residents of affected communities said the insurgents have ordered them not to recognise any constituted authority.

A resident of the area, and Co-Convener of Concerned Shiroro Youths, Bello Ibrahim, told newsmen that, “At a time, they were in Kawure, the village of former Senator Representing Niger East, David Umaru.

“But there was an operation to dislodge them by the joint military task force.

“Fortunately they were dispatched but after a while, since the military base is not stationed there, they reconvened.

“So now, they are not only in Kawure, but they have also extended their tentacles to Communities like Kuregbe, Awulo, and host of other Communities.

“In Awulo and Kuregbe Communities, they assembled the locals, both Muslims and Christians, and gave them marching orders that any girl that is 12 years old should be married off.

“There is no any form of law in the area, aside from Boko Haram’s… If locals have any feud, either Family issue or community problem, they report to them for resolution.

“No any case should be reported to police or court or any constituted authority for resolution.”

Another resident said the criminals operate freely.

He noted, “They are operating freely and mingling freely with the villagers.

“They have become the constituted authority in those villages. And Kaure, Awulo and Kuregbe are their operational grounds. They coerce locals to obey them as their authority.

“In the entire Chukuba and Kuregbe ward, it is Boko Haram elements that are operating there not bandits that we know.”

The Chairman, Shiroro Local Government, Suleiman Chukuba confirmed the influx of Boko Haram elements, saying “On the issue of influx of Boko Haram in shiroro, only four wards have been affected.”

He said the residents were made to believe that they were Boko Haram elements because of their mode of preaching.

“They told villagers that they have money to help them and that they have guns to give them to fight Government. And that is the same doctrine we know Boko Haram elements promote,” he said.

But residents said they had not recruited the locals aside from coercing them to do especially the issue of not reporting any case or feud to police or court and the marital age for girls.

https://www.today.ng/news/nigeria/boko-haram-cripples-governance-niger-communities-fixes-marital-age-girls-391856/amp?__twitter_impression=true

DubaiLandLord2:
K
Now you can go and die!

You gutter boy. I'm not surprised

Xbee007 Nawa for this your Kad o. This coded locking of network just do me bad

Odunayaw:
Xbee007
Nawa for this your Kad o. This coded locking of network just do me bad

Honestly, it has made life a tad difficult. I have to rely on unstable Airtel with their exorbitant data price.

RiceProducers:


The cattle zones idea that I just mentioned is a more modern approach.
It is hybrid ranching and grazing.

Who told you Ranching is a modern practice?. That's another Nigerian lie told by we the 'superior' southerners.

There was ranching mentioned in the Bible. That was 3000 years before Christ.
Jacob worked his ass off in a ranch just to raise dowry to marry.
You guys just mouth these bullshit and lies everywhere about ranching being modern. Lori iro

And this nonsense about spoon feeding.
Who is being spoon fed?.
There are more than five CBN / World Bank supported programmes targeting crop farmers and their value chains. There is ZERO for livestock farmers.

Spoonfeeding?

The country is just shameless. Upon all the N600bn a CBN assistance, it is a struggle for crop farmers to improve their land productivity. Nigerian is producing all crops worse than every other country in earth but it is herdsmen that is your problem.

Very soon the UN is going to get involved. Wasting land, cutting vegetation senselessky because you can't apply modern processes to you lr crop farming.
Did I also mention that as much as 70% of CBN provided seedlings, fertilizers, herbicides and insecticides are sold illegally by crop farmers?
So upon all the spoonfeeding by governments our farmers are also thieves.

We need to inflict the truth on people in this country. It is a country of liars.

In one sentence, ranching and grazing is 'more modern', in other paragraph, it suddenly isn't.
Stick to a side...

Due to space constraints and other issues, many developed and developing Nations adopted best practices for livestock. Ranching isn't perfect but it is continually evolving to overcome challenges. Your diatribes and your skirting over the issues (of average farmers like my Uncle) is probably a pointer to the kind of apathy of those in power. Food security is highly important!

That failures have been recorded in the past doesn't mean we should scrap all efforts to solve or adapt better solutions suited to our problems. Many articles on failures and advancements on ranches in Nigeria. Prior to 'Tomato Jos', tomato yields in the North were dire but now it is reaching record yields with a factory on the way?

Imposing a system that does not sit well with other demographics is only going to lead to resentment. Pity some here are interested in shiny new weapons, fancy gears et al without wholesome pictures of fighting battles that could be better avoided.

Whyem15:




There are certain plants your uncle can plant around his farm cattles react very badly to, in some cases it causes permanent growth retardation. This will prevent any incursion into his farm.

Pointers to this would be good and valuable. Cheers

Nigerian Soldiers Flee As Unknown Gunmen Enforce Sit-at-home In Enugu, Imo, Burn Tricycle

Hoodlums took advantage of the situation to scatter some wares already displayed by shop owners who had fled.

Atricycle was on Monday morning burnt by unknown gunmen who were allegedly enforcing the sit-at-home order of the Indigenous People of Biafra (IPOB) in Enugu State.

The gunmen were said to have intercepted the tricycle at Amechi Road, beside Romchi filling station in Enugu.

SaharaReporters gathered that soldiers who were called to calm the situation fled after a gun battle with the gunmen.

“The gunmen asked the rider why he refused to remain indoors. The owner and his passengers were unhurt. The Keke (commercial tricycle) was carrying passengers. They forced the occupants out, collected their phones, and set the Keke ablaze.

“When Nigerian soldiers came for the distress call, the gunmen engaged them and they fled. The army zoomed off from unknown gunmen around St. Paul’s Primary School, Achara Layout, Enugu,” a source told SaharaReporters.

Also, gunmen suspected to be members of IPOB have stormed the streets and markets of Owerri, the Imo state capital to ensure residents stay indoors even though the pro-Biafra group has kicked against such enforcement.

There was pandemonium in the town as gunmen forced traders to close shops.

In a report by Daily Trust, motorists quickly made U-turns while many passengers disembarked from their vehicles.

The confusion, which started at Wethral Road, spread to neighbouring Mbaise Road, Douglas Road, and Naze along the Aba- Owerri Road.

Some traders at the multi-million Alaba International Market and Naze Cluster markets were said to have closed their shops and locked the gates leading to the market.

Hoodlums took advantage of the situation to scatter some wares already displayed by shop owners who had fled.

Schools were closed while parents rushed to pick up their children. It was not immediately known what actually happened, but it was gathered that the gunmen had arrived Owerri from Aba ostensibly to enforce the order in Imo.

http://saharareporters.com/2021/10/04/nigerian-soldiers-flee-unknown-gunmen-enforce-sit-home-enugu-imo-burn-tricycle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzmvqBlBfa8

Dem go eat your crops with their cows, when you challenge them, them go still kill you for challenging them.

Anybody wey no fit put him cow for ranch for South, make dem dey go states wey dey allow open grazing. Simple as ABC.

Oga, first of all every herdsmen was once a ranch owner.

We won't stop drumming this Ecology 101 course.
Wars, climate change and inter communal clashes force people to move. People like to move with their property unless you are an Ijaw man.

We are saying because you have some hard luck where you are coming from does not permit you to ruin me financially by destroying my crops and assaulting my wife which is abominable and unpardonable.

The FG and all state governors are saying the solution is to separate herders and farmers. One SINGLE solution agreed to already.

The problem is now to interpret that solution to mean you as a state governor can institute an apartheid kind of law that would make a white SA farmer envious in its sheer unfairness.

The alternative is having zones that will be used by ranchers and also admit itinerant herders. The states will issue CofO to ranchers and passing permits to herdsmen. Itinerant Fulanis can be anti social and downright expansionist so having the states regulate passage and balance out the settlements and flows should protect vulnerable ethnicities.

What we will see gradually is that pastoralists will gradually improve along their own paths as well as ranchers. Some may opt to settle and some ranchers may embrace the cheap costs of moving with the cattle. Pastoralists are breeding for their better quality meat. Ranchers are in it for meat and milk.

BlackBaron:


In one sentence, ranching and grazing is 'more modern', in other paragraph, it suddenly isn't.
Stick to a side...

Due to space constraints and other issues, many developed and developing Nations adopted best practices for livestock. Ranching isn't perfect but it is continually evolving to overcome challenges. Your diatribes and your skirting over the issues (of average farmers like my Uncle) is probably a pointer to the kind of apathy of those in power. Food security is highly important!

That failures have been recorded in the past doesn't mean we should scrap all efforts to solve or adapt better solutions suited to our problems. Many articles on failures and advancements on ranches in Nigeria. Prior to 'Tomato Jos', tomato yields in the North were dire but now it is reaching record yields with a factory on the way?

Imposing a system that does not sit well with other demographics is only going to lead to resentment. Pity some here are interested in shiny new weapons, fancy gears et al without wholesome pictures of fighting battles that could be better avoided.


Pointers to this would be good and valuable. Cheers

What is it going to take you guys to create your own threads.

RiceProducers:


The cattle zones idea that I just mentioned is a more modern approach.
It is hybrid ranching and grazing.

Who told you Ranching is a modern practice?. That's another Nigerian lie told by we the 'superior' southerners.

There was ranching mentioned in the Bible. That was 3000 years before Christ.
Jacob worked his ass off in a ranch just to raise dowry to marry.
You guys just mouth these bullshit and lies everywhere about ranching being modern. Lori iro

And this nonsense about spoon feeding.
Who is being spoon fed?.
There are more than five CBN / World Bank supported programmes targeting crop farmers and their value chains. There is ZERO for livestock farmers.

Spoonfeeding?

The country is just shameless. Upon all the N600bn a CBN assistance, it is a struggle for crop farmers to improve their land productivity. Nigerian is producing all crops worse than every other country in earth but it is herdsmen that is your problem.

Very soon the UN is going to get involved. Wasting land, cutting vegetation senselessky because you can't apply modern processes to you lr crop farming.
Did I also mention that as much as 70% of CBN provided seedlings, fertilizers, herbicides and insecticides are sold illegally by crop farmers?
So upon all the spoonfeeding by governments our farmers are also thieves.

We need to inflict the truth on people in this country. It is a country of liars.

and thieves

BlackBaron:

Herders on transit does not mean they would not trespass someone's farm or allotment when out of sight.

My Uncle's farm in Kabba lies fallow because of nomadic grazing or is he a second class citizen where cows and man gazumps his land but he cannot respond or chaos ensues.

That I used to allow an entity access to my well doesn't mean they become entitled to demand water or break my wall when I decide to fence it off for my own reasons. That grazing routes were allowed in the past doesn't mean it could continue forever. Our population is outstripping available spaces with land prices creeping up year on year.

High time the Northerners get with the time and embrace or start transiting to more modern forms of livestock rearing. That we have to spoon feed them via that process isn't a must. Same country gave us all equal opportunities to learn, become knowledgeable amongst others but their failure to embrace modern life should not be a burden for us all to endure.

Imagine someone supporting something which has led to deaths of thousands. Something which is the root cause of all agitations in Nigeria. All regions would have been calm today, had it not been for herdsmen and grazing wahala. Sometimes I'm forced to believe that this country needs to be divided for all of us to move forward.

RiceProducers:

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What we will see gradually is that pastoralists will gradually improve along their own paths as well as ranchers. Some may opt to settle and some ranchers may embrace the cheap costs of moving with the cattle. Pastoralists are breeding for their better quality meat. Ranchers are in it for meat and milk.

You made valid points but still suffer from information overload.

Pastoralists actually produce LOWER quality meat. Yes, you heard that right. Lower quality.

Why? After transhumance with the livestock, the meat produced is noticeably leaner (low in fat) and tough when used as food. Your doctor might be pleased but not the meat industry!

Why? Meat quality is graded according to the fat "marblings" present in the muscle.

'Fulani cows' are of the worst grade of cow meat possible!

Haven't you had real steak on all your international travels?

JohnBullMySon:
Imagine someone supporting something which has led to deaths of thousands. Something which is the root cause of all agitations in Nigeria. All regions would have been calm today, had it not been for herdsmen and grazing wahala. Sometimes I'm forced to believe that this country needs to be divided for all of us to move forward.

smh.
Education is wasted in this country.

JackWolfskin:


You made valid points but still suffer from information overload.

Pastoralists actually produce LOWER quality meat. Yes, you heard that right. Lower quality.

Why? After transhumance with the livestock, the meat produced is noticeably leaner (low in fat) and tough when used as food. Your doctor might be pleased but not the meat industry!

Why? Meat quality is graded according to the fat "marblings" present in the muscle.

'Fulani cows' are of the worst grade of cow meat possible!

But my doctor recommends lean meat. Thank you.
Also ranching / grazing are finished in 20 years. There are new technologies for growing meat and they will come cheaper due to scale economics. So right there is your future of "sophisticated" ranching.

The whole point of my discourse is that Nigeria is a modern country.
The country is blessed with a lot of educated people and rationality and science should be the bases of decision making and not atavism or mass neurosis.

Some of the laws that governors have made regarding farmers - herders crisis, you cannot say them out in a sophisticated setting in the UN or International NGO and not get ridiculed.

You banned one side entirely whilst rejecting wholesale a mitigation that can be panel beaten to manage all possible risks.

Meaning 500,000 herders or more just disappear in to the sunset and presumably should go steal money or kidnap people to establish ranches which are the only permitted way by your state.
Or maybe as El Rufai said, Populist legislation does not need brains. Just do it.

Must these ranches/grazing routes be in ALL the states of the federation?

Why the insistence when you can ranch your cattle in a "ranch friendly" state and the "ranch unfriendly" States come to your ranch and buy your cattle with the associated costs?

mekussa:
Must these ranches/grazing routes be in ALL the states of the federation?

Why the insistence when you can ranch your cattle in a "ranch friendly" state and the "ranch unfriendly" States come to your ranch and buy your cattle with the associated costs?

Yes. That is the economic argument. Nigerians are ready to pay 60% higher for meat. I would be personally insulting any complainants about high costs of beef or milk starting from 2022.

I am not talking about the economics

I am talking about the legality of a law that singles out a particular demographic for outright ban against their rights to property and rights to free movement.

Precedents are dangerous to set in law. Once you set them, they can be used.

The laws don't state that; nobody is permitted to graze animals in the open outside areas designated for the purpose.
This is how constitution abiding people make laws. The approved areas for open grazing can be ZERO but when you state it like this nobody's rights are infringed.

The actual laws simply state that; open grazing is banned totally within a state confines.

No. 1 would be a law drafted by lawyers.

No. 2 is a law drafted by politicians and ethnic nationalists.

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RiceProducers:
Oga, first of all every herdsmen was once a ranch owner.

We won't stop drumming this Ecology 101 course.
Wars, climate change and inter communal clashes force people to move. People like to move with their property unless you are an Ijaw man.

We are saying because you have some hard luck where you are coming from does not permit you to ruin me financially by destroying my crops and assaulting my wife which is abominable and unpardonable.

The FG and all state governors are saying the solution is to separate herders and farmers. One SINGLE solution agreed to already.

The problem is now to interpret that solution to mean you as a state governor can institute an apartheid kind of law that would make a white SA farmer envious in its sheer unfairness.

The alternative is having zones that will be used by ranchers and also admit itinerant herders. The states will issue CofO to ranchers and passing permits to herdsmen. Itinerant Fulanis can be anti social and downright expansionist so having the states regulate passage and balance out the settlements and flows should protect vulnerable ethnicities.

What we will see gradually is that pastoralists will gradually improve along their own paths as well as ranchers. Some may opt to settle and some ranchers may embrace the cheap costs of moving with the cattle. Pastoralists are breeding for their better quality meat. Ranchers are in it for meat and milk.

First paragraph is conjecture, unless you break it down.

Just like Covid forced people and organisations to restructure is the same way, others would have to adapt. The logic that a significant portion of a region be engaged in a specific sector is dangerous. There's a need for diversification of their skills else they'll all lose their economic base should a calamity hit such industry in this case the struggle for land for grazing and farming.

Security is important for us to grow to a developed country, half patches would see this thread on 5000 pages and still discussing lost personnel, loses and victories instead of regaling in peace and tranquility.

Don't patronise me about nomadic cattle been best, I have eaten Argentine beef, Angus and our meat doesn't even come close nor do we have a great pedigree in dairy production.

Our Nigerian pygmy goats are a darling around the world (check YouTube), yet it is little explored.
There are multiple case studies on the failures of ranches in Nigeria (Tsetse fy, in breeding, etc) why can't we study it rather than asking states submit land for ranches if they don't want to.

Not every herder currently with cattle should continue. They can transit to other roles/jobs with government support/training and those who persevere should be given subsidies and improve livestock farming to a better state than the current form we have.

yoged:
https://westafricaweekly.substack.com/p/cornflakes-for-jihad-the-boko-haram?r=p0z0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source


Don't know if it has been posted

the evidence is nothing new, the connections though Is what is new

Trust me , you read this and look for the facts he tabled and you will shudder .it's a case of who will bell the cat here

This article has caused a storm,

I see someone calling him a fictional writer with all the evidence in public glare available here

Omoh better read this with an unbiased mind

yoged:
https://westafricaweekly.substack.com/p/cornflakes-for-jihad-the-boko-haram?r=p0z0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source


Don't know if it has been posted

I think it has been posted. It's currently creating an uproar Nationwide. na the same writer write about one senator like that. Really eye opening read.

Please can someone help us call in the mods

Nothing new. Nice writing style though.

WoeBetide666:
David Hyundai na journalist abi na fiction writer

These mumu Afropolitans that think that only them can change Africa because they did a three year course at a peckerwood university

Come up with your own evidence if you have. Slowpoke.

The BRACED Governors’ Council also known as South-South Governors’ Forum said it has approved a joint regional security outfit which would be floated soon.

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/south-south-governors-set-to-float-regional-security/

If not for the way the FG handled the farmers and herdsmen issue, we won't be where we are today.

yoged:
https://westafricaweekly.substack.com/p/cornflakes-for-jihad-the-boko-haram?r=p0z0&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&utm_source


Don't know if it has been posted

I have heard so many people say that there are radical Islamists littered around Buhari's administration. I used to think they were conspiracy theories, but I'm starting to believe that. Till these background issues are sorted out, all the fights on the surface are mere trash. Sustained rumors have at least a 50% truth in them.

youghs:
Please can someone help us call in the mods

For what exactly? Why are you disturbed and agitated

DubaiLandLord2:
The BRACED Governors’ Council also known as South-South Governors’ Forum said it has approved a joint regional security outfit which would be floated soon.

https://www.sunnewsonline.com/south-south-governors-set-to-float-regional-security/

If not for the way the FG handled the farmers and herdsmen issue, we won't be where we are today.

oga i have check almost your comment about herdsmen and i have come to conclusion that you have no knowledge about what you are talking.not insult