₦airaland Forum

Idiko1:
I urge you to think before making open declaration. On whose law book is declaration of Biafra by a military governor illegal?

In Nigeria’s constitution. I suggest you follow your own advice before posting.

kingawothefirst:
I’m Nigeria’s constitution. I suggest you follow your own advice before posting.

1. Is it people that make Nigeria constitution or Nigeria constitution that makes people?

2. Why was Biafra declared?

banom:
Bro after reading what you wrote I got more confused. I didn't even understand where you are heading to. I guess you are trying to bring confusion into Biafran struggle. Your write up shows dangerous ignorance and out of touch with reality.

Read again, and again until you make something out of it, you use so many big grammar which shows you definitely are not daft, if that is the case and you are not pretending keep reading, out of that big article you should understand at least 1 paragraph, well if you don't just don't give up, keep searching for meaning in it until you find one;

Between I'm a big stake holder in the Biafran project as my two uncles fought in Biafra and my parents lived in Biafra so I am in a big position to tell what approach needs to change

Mr OP, I wonder why you think I can't see through your post.

AlexBells:
I don't think you understood me, ,I'm not against Biafra I'm saying the mode of asking for it had been dangerous from the time of Ojukwu, MI Okpara was alive, Zik was alive,https://te.leidos.com/ if Gowon refused to step down as the Head of the supreme Military council, Ojukwu could have done what IPOB is doing today which is counter command but it all happened too fast and he was young and much rush of adrenaline.

Old Eastern Region don't include midwest which have the Anioma stock of Igbos, even if we opt for Biafra isn't an Igbo only Biafra an option and then if we want Biafra why would people have to die when there are peaceful ways to actualize it

You sounded and wrote like a fence sitter. Republic of Igboland or even Republic of Biafra needs resolute individuals who have no time to ponder on illusions. Please the road to shithole called Nigeria is yet to be closed. Republic of Igboland or Republic of Biafra must be actualized based on the laws of people of the land not goofy crap from UK or US.

Idiko1:
I urge you to think before making open declaration. On whose law book is declaration of Biafra by a military governor illegal?

Have you ever seen a copy of the current Nigerian constitution talk more of the constitution of the first Republic please, it is not every issue you come and disgrace your people in, was military governors legal, were they not product of the coup, is coup legal?, where they elected or appointed, why would an appointed military governor decide the fate of the populace when an elected premier was alive? Or you think MI Okpara was dead when Ojukwu was the governor?

kingawothefirst:
I’m Nigeria’s constitution. I suggest you follow your own advice before posting.

I have both copies of 1960 and 1963 Nigerian constitution on my desk. I want you to direct me where it was statutorily mentioned of "Military Governor" talk less of Biafra and its declaration.

Idiko1:
You sounded and wrote like a fence sitter. Republic of Igboland or even Republic of Biafra needs resolute individuals who no time to ponder on illusions. Please the road to shithole is yet closed. Republic of Igboland or Republic of Biafra must be actualized based on the laws of people of the land not goofy crap from UK or US.

I would forgive your ignorance, so if you want Republic of Biafra or Republic of Igboland, who is stopping you, you elected your senators, how many times have your senators spoken about this Republic in the House, or you don't talk about Biafra or Republic of Igboland during elections but would have non mandated persons asking for your exit, Ignorance is not an excuse to the law my dear, the constitution already told you how it can be amended and until you begin to force politicians to openly speak about Biafra during elections you can as well approach North Korea for a nuclear deal

BKayy:
Mr OP, I wonder why you think I can't see through your post.

And if you see through my post, please may you be kind enough to tell me what you see

AlexBells:
I would forgive your ignorance, so if you want Republic of Biafra or Republic of Igboland, who is stopping you, you elected your senators, how many times have your senators spoken about this Republic in the House, or you don't talk about Biafra or Republic of Igboland during elections but would have non mandated persons asking for your exit, Ignorance is not an excuse to the law my dear, the constitution already told you how it can be amended and until you begin to force politicians to openly speak about Biafra during elections you can as well approach North Korea for a nuclear deal

Mr. Smart, I had hoped you should lecture me on the separation of North and South Korea. For mere mention of elected and senators in the above crap shows the level of your bloated intellect.

Idiko1:
I have both copies of 1960 and 1963 Nigerian constitution on my desk. I want you to direct me where it was statutorily mentioned of "Military Governor" talk less of Biafra and its declaration.

Are you arguing for or against, I don't even understand where you are heading to, the Military overthrew the government that was illegal then, as they seized power, there was issue with the supreme Military council, meanwhile military rules are by decree not by constitution, even though Gowon sat in Lagos which is evil by virtue of being member of group that mutiny his senior, Ojukwu was only principled and good hearted becuase Ojukwu wanted Ogundipe so the whole Military stuff was illegal and the emergence of Gowon was even more terrifying as that broke Military command but it in the past now, we can only argue for solutions now

Idiko1:
Mr. Smart, I had hoped you should lecture me on the separation of North and South Korea. For mere mention of elected and senators in the above crap shows the level of your bloated intellect.

That's why I said, go partner with North Korea for a nuclear project so that we can fight the war and break up through armistice like Norhh and souhth korea the issue here is that we have no weapons and we had survived a first war so we don't prioritise war anymore but if you want to give it a try, North korea is one country that I know can easily give you nuke, legal or illegal

AlexBells:
That's why I said, go partner with
North Korea for a nuclear project so that we can fight the war and break up through armistice like Norhh and souhth korea
the issue here is that we have no weapons and we had survived a first war so we don't prioritise war anymore but if you want to give it a try, North korea is one country that I know can easily give you nuke, legal or illegal

Are you remotely insinuating North Korea had acquired nuclear weapon by the turn of 1953? Please do not force me to think you do not belong to this discussion.

DOTian:
Nobody is talking of war. Not even IPOB. I have not heard them talk of planning to declare wars. Maybe self defense. But certainly not wars. Wars are no childs play. But wars when brought to your doorsteps must be fought. The reality of life is like that. You don't fight because you want to fight. Someone whos pugnacious enough might force war on you by bringing the fight to your doorsteps, which is what the Fulani herdsmen are doing today. That said, folks must understand that in Buhari, we are dealing with a chronic Igbo hater who believes strongly that the Igbo symbolizes a great threat to Fulani expansionist agenda in Nigeria. If you fail to appreciate the great threat and danger that Buhari presents to Ndigbo, you will make the dangerous mistake of underating the problem at hand..

Chukwu okike abiama gozie gi. Ikuru hammer na isi ntu. Buhari super pack hatred for Igbos is d reason for all dis uproar & he's not ready to change without confrontation.

Idiko1:
I have both copies of 1960 and 1963 Nigerian constitution on my desk. I want you to direct me where it was statutorily mentioned of "Military Governor" talk less of Biafra and its declaration.

Military governor you people are very funny. If you like be a chief priest. You declare another country in a sovereign state you are breaking the law. And the ramifications of treason is death. Take it or leave it.

BKayy:
1. Is it people that make Nigeria constitution or Nigeria constitution that makes people?

2. Why was Biafra declared?

Answer both questions for me if you get sense. Stop chasing wind.

DOTian:
What are the peaceful ways? You guys like to look at serious issues from an utopian perspective. There are no peaceful ways. The fulani took control of the Army since 1966, with the helpnof the rest of Nigeria and has made trillions of dollars from Oil and gas sales coming from Biafra. They're not going to let go without a fight because you're about to take their hungry mouths off their feeding bottle. Even the Yorubas that get only crumbs are so satisfied with that they are ready to join the fulani for another round of fights in the East. That's the sad reality you have to take cognizance of, otherwise you will make mistakes. If you want separation from Nigeria, you have to prepare for a confrontation. It's that straightforward. The earlier folks start to lobby the big powers in this regard, the better..

Mr.Man , shut your hateful mouth and face the topic. Leave Yorubas out of una mouth. We no be una mate or that of the Fulanis.

Yorubas and the SW are the only good and progressive thing about Nigeria today , as far as the major ethnic groups are concerned, so show some respect to those a million times better than you IPOBians can ever be.

@OP AlexBells.

Always amusing, amounting to comic relief actually, reading Igbo discussions online because you lot only go on to validate that Igbos, in the main, are a hateful, sentimental, unreasonable, emptily egotistic and militantly aggressive people who will always be their own worst enemies.

You tried to talk reasonably and pragmatically only to begin getting insults immediately from your fellow Igbos instead of reasonable and stimulating responses that can prompt brainstorming discussions.

One day, people like you will accept you are a minority and that Igbos in general, your own people, are an unreasonable and hateful lot who deserve everything that has happened and will happen to them.

In the end you will wise up, see and accept the obvious, and stop suggesting reasonable solutions your patently unreasonable people are not willing to hear let alone reflect on. Lol.

BigSarah:
Alexbells, Igboid, Eastlink and maybe horsepower.
Are the only realistic Igbos on Nairaland...

You can't be Pro-Biafra and then decide to be deluded.
When the Igbos in the SS look at the results or gains of IPOB in the SE does it look attractive?
Or something to join? It's failure.

IPOB should truly understand And Be civil.

With IPOB style this agitation can last 20yrs and still no Biafra and the Maltreatment On the SE will get worse..
The more IPOB fails the worse it gets for the SE.. IPOB should stop failing or they should stop trying.

Tah!! Close that smelling mouth

Grayoso:
Mr.Man , shut your hateful mouth and face the topic. Leave Yorubas out of una mouth. We no be una mate or that of the Fulanis.

Yorubas and the SW are the only good and progressive thing about Nigeria today , as far as the major ethnic groups are concerned, so show some respect to those a million times better than you IPOBians can ever be.

@OP AlexBells.

Always amusing, amounting to comic relief actually, reading Igbo discussions online because you lot only go on to validate that Igbos, in the main, are a hateful, sentimental, unreasonable, emptily egotistic and militantly aggressive people who will always be their own worst enemies.

You tried to talk reasonably and pragmatically only to begin getting insults immediately from your fellow Igbos instead of reasonable and stimulating responses that can prompt brainstorming discussions.

One day, people like you will accept you are a minority and that Igbos in general, your own people, are an unreasonable and hateful lot who deserve everything that has happened and will happen to them.

In the end you will wise up, see and accept the obvious, and stop suggesting reasonable solutions your patently unreasonable people are not willing to hear let alone reflect on. Lol.

My mentor always told me that new ideas needs stronger opinion and steadfastness to drive it down, everybody would be repulsive to new idea especially when they live in a system where nothing else ever genuinely worked, I love that they are rebellious at first, this will make every convert worth it.

The Igbos are naturally a resisting nation as we don't accept subjugation of any kind but once you manage to cross that phase you should see the light, I can't be angry or surprised in the way we reacts to new ideas, it is expected if no one reacts unusually then nothing is changing.

Every nation of Nigeria is great but saddled with loads of problems, I would believe it would do you lots of good to start looking into your regional problems also and see how your people will react to change.

Idiko1:
Are you remotely insinuating North Korea had acquired nuclear weapon by the turn of 1953? Please do not force me to think you do not belong to this discussion.

As at then the two most powerful countries in the world (US and Russia both nuclear powers) was on ground, I'm just suggesting pragmatic ways by which Biafra can easily and hastily win Nigeria in war otherwise Military option is not viable

AlexBells:
I had always wanted to carry so many people along and I understand, this is a faceless forum for many but for me it is different, We started Igbo province for quite a while now and I want a joint force with the rest of us here.

I want us to adopt Igbo province as a traditional government of the Igbo nation, so many mistakes was made in the past that need to be corrected, getting Biafra is not an issue it is the mode of asking for it thats the issue, a time will come when strict reasoning would be prioritised.

In the past Igbos had taken risk for others, Chukwuma Kaduna Nzeogwu took the risk for the Middle belt and West but he was never appreciated, Biafra declaration was illegal both Ojukwu and Gowon and all the Military heads of states where illegal.

When declaring Biafra he had no such right but be that as it may, declaring Biafra under a Military regime is nothing but a call to war, the military speaks only one Language which is war.

Biafran declaration or leaving Nigeria is a political situation not a Military situation, I bet if Zik or Premier Michael Okpara asked to leave Nigeria it could have been Smooth, but before the coup and the civil war there was no need or desire to leave Nigeria becuase everything was going well for the East.

We have a bright chance as I had spoken to so many legal luminaries, Military men and women and politicians as well, I can't take the credit alone but we are stronger together, let's come together rebuild Igbo province not the old Eastern region and focus on our lands.

Then if our people want out of Nigeria we would seek political solution to it, this is not a military situation but our parents in the mainstream can't do much, let's play our part continued militarization of this situation would only be more costly.

Even if we have to seek Military solutions, it would still be better if we have a traditional province that would make friends within Nigeria, we have many allies who would work with us as Igbo people.

IPOB is a great body but they are working with the old Biafran template and we had tried to bring unity between them and our politicians to no Avail, so we need to do something, the polititian is not even the problem, so many Igbos are still in the Nigerian military and the Military is the real binding wire of this country not the politician except the presidency.

Let's come together and work for a goal, we give so much free tips everyday but we can all write our name in marbles by fronting Igbo province, we are the one who can remove this distrust between both sides of our people serving Biafra and our people serving Nigeria, no one have to be a saboteur nor rebels, we should all come together as one Igbo people we are the only ones we got.

On my own, power is interesting but absolute power is dangerous, I don't want to be a life premier if we work together once the system is strong and stable, we would introduce an electoral process and an encompassing constitution where any qualified Igbo would be free to contest for positions.

I don't see why we should continue clamouring for old Eastern region when Igbo province would give us Anioma which used to be Midwest, if you noticed I don't use to be as aggressive as I used to be becuase the problem is quite complex and it is only when we come together to look deeper that we can solve.

Please, I'm pleading once again even if you don't want to take active part in this, recognise Igbo province and support us by using it in your publications, we already have an offline base especially in Enugu.

Slayerforever
Bkayy
Eastlink
Nwanyiogwashi
Igboid

Good job bro. But this is a faceless group, how do I know you are really Igbo? It is high time right thinking Igbos come together

naijanative:
Good job bro. But this is a faceless group, how do I know you are really Igbo? It is high time right thinking Igbos come together

I live in Enugu and under the right conditions I do meet people from time to time, you can as well check out my page at facebook.com/igbopremier

AlexBells:
I live in Enugu and under the right conditions I do meet people from time to time, you can as well check out my page at facebook.com/igbopremier

Nice one. There is currently nothing good about IPOB. They don cast. People fighting for freedom, yet you get termed "sabo" and killed for airing differing opinion.

naijanative:
Nice one. There is currently nothing good about IPOB. They don cast. People fighting for freedom, yet you get termed "sabo" and killed for airing differing opinion.

I don't think this should be an Avenue of competition with IPOB, they had made their contributions in the good times and IPOB/Biafra MUST remain our regional military options becuase Igbo Province is not ready to pet non Igbo but we need their Alliance, it is only by making sure that the Biafran structure is intact that we can more easily work with our core allies in this case.

There is no way the North keeps Arewa and the West keeps Oduduwa and you expect us to dismantle Biafra no, if they want all of us to accept Nigeria in full they should first accept Nigeria in full

IPOB must remain, we have real enemies in Nigeria and bodies like IPOB would serve as our protective shield why our Engineers, scientists and more works in a secure and prosperous environment, Igbo province have no intention of keeping an army in this case it becomes advisable that we don't turn Igboland into a weakling prosperity or a battle ground by trying to dismantle Biafra

Grayoso:
Mr.Man , shut your hateful mouth and face the topic. Leave Yorubas out of una mouth. We no be una mate or that of the Fulanis.

Yorubas and the SW are the only good and progressive thing about Nigeria today , as far as the major ethnic groups are concerned, so show some respect to those a million times better than you IPOBians can ever be.

@OP AlexBells.

Always amusing, amounting to comic relief actually, reading Igbo discussions online because you lot only go on to validate that Igbos, in the main, are a hateful, sentimental, unreasonable, emptily egotistic and militantly aggressive people who will always be their own worst enemies.

You tried to talk reasonably and pragmatically only to begin getting insults immediately from your fellow Igbos instead of reasonable and stimulating responses that can prompt brainstorming discussions.

One day, people like you will accept you are a minority and that Igbos in general, your own people, are an unreasonable and hateful lot who deserve everything that has happened and will happen to them.

In the end you will wise up, see and accept the obvious, and stop suggesting reasonable solutions your patently unreasonable people are not willing to hear let alone reflect on. Lol.

I'm still trying to understand if reasonable Igbos are minority or may be the unreasonable ones are the loudest. I'm seriously ashamed of what majority of my people spill online

AlexBells:
I don't think this should be an Avenue of competition with IPOB, they had made their contributions in the good times and IPOB/Biafra MUST remain our regional military options becuase Igbo Province is not ready to pet non Igbo but we need their Alliance, it is only by making sure that the Biafran structure is intact that we can more easily work with our core allies in this case.

There is no way the North keeps Arewa and the West keeps Oduduwa and you expect us to dismantle Biafra no, if they want all of us to accept Nigeria in full they should first accept Nigeria in full

IPOB must remain, we have real enemies in Nigeria and bodies like IPOB would serve as our protective shield why our Engineers, scientists and more works in a secure and prosperous environment, Igbo province have no intention of keeping an army in this case it becomes advisable that we don't turn Igboland into a weakling prosperity or a battle ground by trying to dismantle Biafra

Nobody will join us with this madness our people are exhibiting. Biafra does not even have an Igbo origin. We can work on Igbo nation. This is not about competition

naijanative:
Nobody will join us with this madness our people are exhibiting. Biafra does not even have an Igbo origin. We can work on Igbo nation. This is not about competition

Nigeria is a different ball game, you saw what happened in Benue, and if you know the history of Igboland better there had always been these armed wings, like the Ekumeku resistance, disarming AlaIgbo maybe a double edged sword,

Nigeria is a union of very ambitious nations let's focus on prosperity and development, as far as no side attack us, we are good each side knows the real dangers and it is always better to let the sleeping dog sleep, we are definitely not like Ohaneze nor Igbo gorvenors we are passionate and dangerous minds and they know

I had spoken with a lot of outsider and apart from our core allies they they eventually hate Igbo renaissance more than they hate Biafra,

FallenShitHole:
Another fool here to blame Ojukwu. May thunder fire you and your article. Mumu!! Go and join the nears IPOB family near you.

make una dey calm down, I personally don't like the mode of operations of IPOB by I defend them with the information I have
I also understand their reasoning
Alexbells herein is the issue
1. Hope Uzodinma came 4th in elections if I recall correctly but the north found a way install him as he'll execute their plans NB he has been fingered as sponsors of unknown gun men and has enabled the kidnapping and murders of he supposed brothers

None of the eastern governors are performing though I heard Umahi is trying a bit
So
The presidency and legislative arms have been fingered as sponsors of the terrorists committing genocide and funding them, and they can't dispute it as the war against terrorists is a joke They Keep taking more territories and are waiting in the forests and may strike soonest
The army is protecting them
So what should Nigerians do,

AlexBells:
Joining IPOB is never an issue, the issue is that militarization of the process is not the best and IPOB is currently not working with the politicians and you need the Senate to amend the constitution to include referendum, Buhari trying to conduct a referendum for Biafra would be treason on his side, it is only until the constitution is amended unless we are ready to make Nigeria a completely failed state and then I ask is it worth that much blood, especially when there are peaceful solutions

I get you sha. Let's see how things play out
NB did you read cornflakes for Jihad?

odysey:
make una dey calm down, I personally don't like the mode of operations of IPOB by I defend them with the information I have
I also understand their reasoning
Alexbells herein is the issue
1. Hope Uzodinma came 4th in elections if I recall correctly but the north found a way install him as he'll execute their plans NB he has been fingered as sponsors of unknown gun men and has enabled the kidnapping and murders of he supposed brothers

None of the eastern governors are performing though I heard Umahi is trying a bit
So
The presidency and legislative arms have been fingered as sponsors of the terrorists committing genocide and funding them, and they can't dispute it as the war against terrorists is a joke They Keep taking more territories and are waiting in the forests and may strike soonest
The army is protecting them
So what should Nigerians do,

The Eastern governors are products of illegal state creations so I'm not surprised if they do the will of their appointee but IPOB also does not have any locus to inherit the old East and indeed Biafra, this political question we need a shrewd political approach

Forget being emotional Uzodimma have every moral impulse to defend his masters, you had made it clear the Imolites did not even chose him so what's the fuss of expecting so much from him, Nigeria as it is today is running on imposition against the East but IPOB is not going with that argument, they seem to forget that Biafra was illegal.

Kanu almost got it right but then it was already too late, at first he set up the Biafran Security Network (BSN) why do you think he later recreated to Eastern Security Network (ESN) it is too late already for IPOB to change their approach.

BigSarah:
Alexbells, Igboid, Eastlink and maybe horsepower.
Are the only realistic Igbos on Nairaland...

You can't be Pro-Biafra and then decide to be deluded.
When the Igbos in the SS look at the results or gains of IPOB in the SE does it look attractive?
Or something to join? It's failure.

IPOB should truly understand And Be civil.

With IPOB style this agitation can last 20yrs and still no Biafra and the Maltreatment On the SE will get worse..
The more IPOB fails the worse it gets for the SE.. IPOB should stop failing or they should stop trying.

you presented no solution, I think they're as civil now as they can be any more the regime will walk over them mkn in may said true restructuring may be considered but Nigeria has ruined many lives
Interesting times to live in

DOTian:
What are the peaceful ways? You guys like to look at serious issues from an utopian perspective. There are no peaceful ways. The fulani took control of the Army since 1966, with the helpnof the rest of Nigeria and has made trillions of dollars from Oil and gas sales coming from Biafra. They're not going to let go without a fight because you're about to take their hungry mouths off their feeding bottle. Even the Yorubas that get only crumbs are so satisfied with that they are ready to join the fulani for another round of fights in the East. That's the sad reality you have to take cognizance of, otherwise you will make mistakes. If you want separation from Nigeria, you have to prepare for a confrontation. It's that straightforward. The earlier folks start to lobby the big powers in this regard, the better..

what are you saying? Have you heard of OduduwaNation, Amoketun, the possibility of a Yoruba president (possiblity though the north won't deliver, the west are united in their progress,, anti-grazin laws, collection of tax etc they are breaking out and forward