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Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by haekymbahd(m): 7:25am On Oct 07, 2021
RightChannel:
ADDRESS THIS YOUR CONFUSION HERE, I WANT TO GET SOMETHING



Are you sleeping as usual when typing this?

Earlier you said:

Yes a messenger and as Muslim [Submitter to the will of God]

Later you said:

Jesus will return as a Messiah or an annointed political leader for the believers not as a prophet.


Why are you so confused like this? You need help like seriously

Maybe you should take a bottle of camel urine because I don't understand this your turmoil
Call him a prophet/messenger/messiah he is still not the last Prophet/messenger of islam..


Muhammad is still the last prophet of Islam...
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by SharonLoveth(f): 7:30am On Oct 07, 2021
haekymbahd:
Unfortunately for you, Muhammad is the last prophet of islam..


Even if he (Jesus) had earlier been a prophet/Messenger himself Muhammad is still the last prophet/messenger of islam

He(Messiah) is comming for a purpose and will be a Muslim who will follow the ummah of Muhammad, he is bringing no new law, is Religion will be islam

Also Quran and Mohammed confirms that Jesus will return before the Hour (doomsday).

43:61 And indeed, Jesus will be [a sign for] knowledge of the Hour, so be not in doubt of it, and follow Me. This is a straight path.

Then why Mohammed should be called last messenger of God?

Because Jesus won't receive any new prophecy, he was born before Mohammed and had his own prophecy.

Mohammed was born after Jesus and his prophecy was latest one.
RightChannel is really trying having discussion with you, I picked up many blunders from what you said here, these are your mistakes

1. He(Messiah) is comming for a purpose and will be a Muslim

If he was not a Muslim before, why calling him a Muslim since it is when he will comes back for yet another time he shall become a Muslim?

2. is Religion will be islam

So his religion was not Islam before? Why is Adam a Muslim that practised Islam since Jesus Christ is not a Muslim as he do not practiced Islam while on earth?

3. Mohammed was born after Jesus and his prophecy was latest one.

cheesy Muhammad get prophecy? Ohhh my God this is wonderful grin

4. Muhammad is the last prophet of islam..

While your Jesus is still coming back as a Muslim and a prophet and muhammad was your last prophet of Islam isn't it? Antiislam and RightChannel are really trying having discussion with a confused soul like you

There are many types of confusion, which of them is yours? cheesy
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by AntiChristian: 8:33am On Oct 07, 2021
SharonLoveth:
You can't compare light with darkness, Jesus Christ while on earth lived a life worthy of Emulating, he is not after young girls, not a warlord, not keeping slaves for himself, going up and down performing miracles, proclaiming the gospel, living in peace with everyone but opposite of these is the case of muhammad.


Why not migrating to the country established by Muhammad with Islamic rule? Your people are running away from Afghanistan because of Islamic rule why can't you go there to enjoy your Islamic rule and don't be hypocrite person

Jesus Christ is not after any religion activity but to proclaim the kingdom of God where everlasting life awaits those that will came to the father through him as John 14:6 read thus: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

How are you proclaiming islam? if not through Sword, bomb, force, etc (Jihad stuffs) grin
grin

Jesus had not much time from your Bible. The account of Jesus in the Bible is just a few months at birth, some months while growing up And your Bible didn't record what atrocities he did between 2 years to 30 years. We can use what his daddy did in the old testament to judge him.

Or is the father worse than the kid? No!

Jesus allegedly said in John 5:19

So Jesus replied, "Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

So when the father was killing in the Old Testament it was Jesus killing too.

When Jesus was gentle in the New testament, it was the father who became gentle and repented from killing!

You Christians should stop shooting yourself in the legs! grin
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by SharonLoveth(f): 3:23pm On Oct 07, 2021
AntiChristian:
grin

Jesus had not much time from your Bible. The account of Jesus in the Bible is just a few months at birth, some months while growing up And your Bible didn't record what atrocities he did between 2 years to 30 years. We can use what his daddy did in the old testament to judge him.

Or is the father worse than the kid? No!

Jesus allegedly said in John 5:19

So Jesus replied, "Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

So when the father was killing in the Old Testament it was Jesus killing too.

When Jesus was gentle in the New testament, it was the father who became gentle and repented from killing!

You Christians should stop shooting yourself in the legs! grin
Even the Quran muhammad brought for you doesn't speak well of that rapist prophet of doom called Muhammad. Jesus Christ has no atrocities if there is any let us know, I read a verse from quran where Jesus is highly exalted than Muhammad, why that? The atrocities of that prophet of doom is too much for the author of quran to have exalts him more than Jesus

You like Islamic law but you don't want to migrat to where Islamic law is priority
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by SharonLoveth(f): 4:57pm On Oct 07, 2021
AntiChristian:
grin

Jesus had not much time from your Bible. The account of Jesus in the Bible is just a few months at birth, some months while growing up And your Bible didn't record what atrocities he did between 2 years to 30 years. We can use what his daddy did in the old testament to judge him.

Or is the father worse than the kid? No!

Jesus allegedly said in John 5:19

So Jesus replied, "Truly, truly, I tell you, the Son can do nothing by Himself, unless He sees the Father doing it. For whatever the Father does, the Son also does.

So when the father was killing in the Old Testament it was Jesus killing too.

When Jesus was gentle in the New testament, it was the father who became gentle and repented from killing!

You Christians should stop shooting yourself in the legs! grin
Even the Quran muhammad brought for you doesn't speak well of that rapist prophet of doom called Muhammad. Jesus Christ has no atrocities if there is any let us know, I read a verse from quran where Jesus is highly exalted than Muhammad, why that? The atrocities of that prophet of doom is too much for the author of quran to have exalts Jesus more than him

You like Islamic law but you don't want to migrate to the country where Islamic law is priority, you are a hypocrite at highest order
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by RightChannel: 5:45pm On Oct 07, 2021
SharonLoveth:
RightChannel is really trying having discussion with you, I picked up many blunders from what you said here, these are your mistakes

1. He(Messiah) is comming for a purpose and will be a Muslim

If he was not a Muslim before, why calling him a Muslim since it is when he will comes back for yet another time he shall become a Muslim?

2. is Religion will be islam

So his religion was not Islam before? Why is Adam a Muslim that practised Islam since Jesus Christ is not a Muslim as he do not practiced Islam while on earth?

3. Mohammed was born after Jesus and his prophecy was latest one.

cheesy Muhammad get prophecy? Ohhh my God this is wonderful grin

4. Muhammad is the last prophet of islam..

While your Jesus is still coming back as a Muslim and a prophet and muhammad was your last prophet of Islam isn't it? Antiislam and RightChannel are really trying having discussion with a confused soul like you

There are many types of confusion, which of them is yours?
The area that weak me is this

There are many types of confusion, which of them is yours?

Madam you are too funny smiley

His own type of confusion is combination of hypoactive and hyperactive confusion
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by haekymbahd(m):
You ask questions knowing fully well you are not ready to accept the answers even if proven to you then why ask the

SharonLoveth:
RightChannel is really trying having discussion with you, I picked up many blunders from what you said here, these are your mistakes

1. He(Messiah) is comming for a purpose and will be a Muslim

If he was not a Muslim before, why calling him a Muslim since it is when he will comes back for yet another time he shall become a Muslim?
He was a Muslim before and he will still be a Muslim again what is wrong with that statement. To Islam (Muslim) means submitter to the will of God and we beleive Jesus and the previous prophet submitted to the will of God hence they are Muslims.

It doesn't mean he followed the law given to Muhammad because he came after him

That is Islam for and our beleive you don't have to accept...

SharonLoveth:
2. is Religion will be islam

So his religion was not Islam before? Why is Adam a Muslim that practised Islam since Jesus Christ is not a Muslim as he do not practiced Islam while on earth?
There is difference between being a Muslim and following Islamic religion

Muslim = Submitter to the Will of God

Follower of Islam = One who follows the law given to Muhammad

When Jesus first came he was a Muslim but not a follower of law given to Muhammad because Muhammad came after him. Now in his second comming he will follow the law given to Muhammad because he was the last prophet. That is why I said his religion will be Islam it doesn't have to go with your religion...

SharonLoveth:
3. Mohammed was born after Jesus and his prophecy was latest one.

cheesy Muhammad get prophecy? Ohhh my God this is wonderful grin
Atleast he prophecied about the comming of messiah. Now he hasnt come yet we are anticipating so let's see. You don't have to accept it is what it is.

SharonLoveth:
4. Muhammad is the last prophet of islam..

While your Jesus is still coming back as a Muslim and a prophet and muhammad was your last prophet of Islam isn't it?
Jesus is comming basically to fulfill his role as Messiah is not necessarily a prophet. He is going to be a follower of the law given to Muhammad i.e he is not bringing a new religion or law. He is to lead the believers. He is the messiah. Jesus was also a prophet and messenger in his first comming but if you we are talking about the last prophet it is Muhammad. Jesus is not really comming as a prophet but as messiah..

Check this analogy You are an elder son to your parents in your family. You leave on a trip and are absent for some time. When you come back home do you become the the last son of the family? Does it make sense?

Jesus is already a prophetand messenger he was annointed before Muhammad but Muhammad was the last prophet Jesus is comming for the second time to complete his mission as messiah...

Muhammad is the last prophet but Muhammad is not the messiah why can't you understand.


You don't have to agree with but know that in Islam both Muhammad and Jesus still not God..


John 17

3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, [b]Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

4I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do.
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by SharonLoveth(f): 9:31pm On Oct 07, 2021
haekymbahd:
You ask questions knowing fully well you are not ready to accept the answers even if proven to you then why ask the

He was a Muslim before and he will still be a Muslim again what is wrong with that statement. To Islam (Muslim) means submitter to the will of God and we beleive Jesus and the previous prophet submitted to the will of God hence they are Muslims.

It doesn't mean he followed the law given to Muhammad because he came after him

That is Islam for and our beleive you don't have to accept...

There is difference between being a Muslim and following Islamic religion

Muslim = Submitter to the Will of God

Follower of Islam = One who follows the law given to Muhammad

When Jesus first came he was a Muslim but not a follower of law given to Muhammad because Muhammad came after him. Now in his second comming he will follow the law given to Muhammad because he was the last prophet. That is why I said his religion will be Islam it doesn't have to go with your religion...

Atleast he prophecied about the comming of messiah. Now he hasnt come yet we are anticipating so let's see. You don't have to accept it is what it is.

Jesus is comming basically to fulfill his role as Messiah is not necessarily a prophet. He is going to be a follower of the law given to Muhammad i.e he is not bringing a new religion or law. He is to lead the believers. He is the messiah. Jesus was also a prophet and messenger in his first comming but if you we are talking about the last prophet it is Muhammad. Jesus is not really comming as a prophet but as messiah..

Check this analogy You are an elder son to your parents in your family. You leave on a trip and are absent for some time. When you come back home do you become the the last son of the family? Does it make sense?

Jesus is already a prophetand messenger he was annointed before Muhammad but Muhammad was the last prophet Jesus is comming for the second time to complete his mission as messiah...

Muhammad is the last prophet but Muhammad is not the messiah why can't you understand.


You don't have to agree with but know that in Islam both Muhammad and Jesus still not God..


John 17

3 And this is eternal life: [it means] to know (to perceive, recognize, become acquainted with, and understand) You, the only true and real God, and [likewise] to know Him, [b]Jesus [as the] Christ (the Anointed One, the Messiah), Whom You have sent.

4I have glorified You down here on the earth by completing the work that You gave Me to do.
Confused slave, is that all?
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by RightChannel: 7:37am On Oct 08, 2021
SharonLoveth:
Confused slave, is that all?
Very very confused slave, Jesus Christ should follow the laws given to that rotted prophet called Muhammad by fighting and killing innocent people for allah but muhammad shouldn't follow the laws Jesus Christ came with that he muhammad and his allies should love their neighbours including their enemies

He even said Muhammad prophecied about the coming of Jesus Christ, I Laugh in Spanish grin he called this a prophecy

Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) was in an apartment and we were beneath that, that he peeped in and said to us: What are you discussing about? We said: (We are discussing about the Last) Hour. Thereupon he said: The Last Hour would not come until the ten signs appear: land-sliding in the east, and land-sliding in the west, and land-sliding in the peninsula of Arabia, the smoke, the Dajjal, the beast of the earth, Gog and Magog, the rising of the sun from the west and the fire which would emit from the lower part of 'Adan. Shu'ba said that 'Abd al-'Aziz b. Rufai' reported on the authority of Abu Tufail who reported on the authority of Abu Sariha a hadith like this that Allah's Apostle (ﷺ) did not make a mention of (the tenth sign) but he said that out of the ten one was the descent of Jesus, son of Mary (peace be upon him), and in another version it is the blowing of the violent gale which would drive

Sahih Muslim 2901 b

That rotted prophet who was abandoned for three days before been buried did not make a mention about the coming of Jesus Christ as read above, who knows where he got his own falsehood from
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by haekymbahd(m):
RightChannel:
Very very confused slave, Jesus Christ should follow the laws given to that rotted prophet called Muhammad by fighting and killing innocent people for allah but muhammad shouldn't follow the laws Jesus Christ came with that he muhammad and his allies should love their neighbours including their enemies
Won't Jesus fight and kill in his second comming what law will he be following then is it the gospel. Why will he fight and kill and not loving his neighbor as himself

Rev 19
19 Then I saw the beast and the rulers and leaders of the earth with their troops mustered to go into battle and make war against Him Who is mounted on the horse and against His troops.

20And the beast was seized and overpowered, and with him the false prophet who in his presence had worked wonders and performed miracles by which he led astray those who had accepted or permitted to be placed upon them the stamp (mark) of the beast and those who paid homage and gave divine honors to his statue. Both of them were hurled alive into the fiery lake that burns and blazes with brimstone.

21 And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh.

As Muslims anyone who fight and kill an innocent soul will face the wrath of Allah and they are not true Muslims.

Allah SWT said:

"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

"[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, Our Lord is Allah. And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 40)
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by AntiChristian: 8:25am On Oct 08, 2021
SharonLoveth:
Even the Quran muhammad brought for you doesn't speak well of that rapist prophet of doom called Muhammad. Jesus Christ has no atrocities if there is any let us know, I read a verse from quran where Jesus is highly exalted than Muhammad, why that? The atrocities of that prophet of doom is too much for the author of quran to have exalts Jesus more than him

You like Islamic law but you don't want to migrate to the country where Islamic law is priority, you are a hypocrite at highest order
When you want to lie you coin up an abusive term to abuse our Prophet. But if we bring verses from Yahweh's command that looks similar you invent excuses because Yahweh must be perfect. How do you define rape? How was it applicable to Muhammad and not applicable to Yahweh from Numbers 31 when He sent Moses to kill a whole people and preserve their virgins for themselves?

The Qur'an exalts all Prophets. Why is it only Jesus you see in the Qur'an? From Adam, to Idris (Enoch), Moses, Jesus, Yahya (John the Baptist), Solomon, David, Elijah, Elisha and a host of others. No Prophet was abused in the Qur'an unlike the Bible where acclaimed men of God who ought to be examples to their people committed incest (Lot and his daughters), adultery and murder (David lusted over Bathsheba then killed his husband to marry her.)
Elisha while on the way cursed some 42 lads who called him baldhead and wild beast killed them all.

Even Jesus was not exempted. He wanted to fulfil a prophecy involving donkey. So he sent his disciple to fetch someone's donkey without prior approval from its owner! If this were to happen today, i mean you entering a house and take someone else's property saying the Lord needs it, Na cell you go rot cos you've committed a lot of offense!




All of the Prophets are examples to their people not only Jesus your God.
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by RightChannel: 8:34am On Oct 08, 2021
haekymbahd:
Won't Jesus fight and kill in his second comming what law will he be following then is it the gospel. Why will he fight and kill and not loving his neighbor as himself

Rev 19
19 Then I saw the beast and the rulers and leaders of the earth with their troops mustered to go into battle and make war against Him Who is mounted on the horse and against His troops.

20And the beast was seized and overpowered, and with him the false prophet who in his presence had worked wonders and performed miracles by which he led astray those who had accepted or permitted to be placed upon them the stamp (mark) of the beast and those who paid homage and gave divine honors to his statue. Both of them were hurled alive into the fiery lake that burns and blazes with brimstone.

21 And the rest were killed with the sword that issues from the mouth of Him Who is mounted on the horse, and all the birds fed ravenously and glutted themselves with their flesh.

As Muslims anyone who fight and kill an innocent soul will face the wrath of Allah and they are not true Muslims.

Allah SWT said:

"Permission [to fight] has been given to those who are being fought, because they were wronged. And indeed, Allah is competent to give them victory."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 39)

"[They are] those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, Our Lord is Allah. And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 40)
So Jesus Christ shouldn't kill the beast, Jesus Christ shouldn't defeated Satan, world shouldn't end right, YOU DON'T WANT TO ENJOY YOUR 72 VIRGINS IN Janah grin? No wonder you are satan agents you Muslims and your number 1 Muslim in person of paedophile Muhammad.

Give your allah a suitable name for given you permission to fight and kill innocent souls for him. Allah loves sucking innocent people's blood right? Your allah is a disgrace to humanity with that nonsense quran verse you quoted above

Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by haekymbahd(m): 8:53am On Oct 08, 2021
RightChannel:
Give your allah a suitable name for given you permission to fight and kill innocent souls for him. Allah loves sucking innocent people's blood right? Your allah is a disgrace to humanity with that nonsense quran verse you quoted above
Exodus 32

26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Whoever is on the Lord's side, let him come to me. And all the Levites [the priestly tribe] gathered together to him.

27 And he said to them, Thus says the Lord God of Israel, Every man put his sword on his side and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

28 And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses; and there fell of the people that day about 3000 men.


29 And Moses said [to the Levites, By your obedience to God's command] you have consecrated yourselves today [as priests] to the Lord, each man [at the cost of being] against his own son and his own brother, that the Lord may restore and bestow His blessing upon you this day.



Give your Jesus a name for being in unstable state..

Blood sucking {old testament} > Love {New testament} > Blood sucking {second comming of Jesus}
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by RightChannel: 10:35am On Oct 08, 2021
haekymbahd:
Exodus 32

26 Then Moses stood in the gate of the camp, and said, Whoever is on the Lord's side, let him come to me. And all the Levites [the priestly tribe] gathered together to him.

27 And he said to them, Thus says the Lord God of Israel, Every man put his sword on his side and go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbor.

28 And the sons of Levi did according to the word of Moses; and there fell of the people that day about 3000 men.


29 And Moses said [to the Levites, By your obedience to God's command] you have consecrated yourselves today [as priests] to the Lord, each man [at the cost of being] against his own son and his own brother, that the Lord may restore and bestow His blessing upon you this day.



Give your Jesus a name for being in unstable state..

Blood sucking {old testament} > Love {New testament} > Blood sucking {second comming of Jesus}
Earlier I corrected you on Revelation 19 you quoted above, you succumb after showing you the esense of that verse if maybe Jesus Christ shouldn't destroy the beast, I will do the same here on Exodus 32. A question I will ask you is this, do you think the way you serve your allah by bowing for ordinary stone, worshipping stone etc Yahweh should emulate the same right?

Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by haekymbahd(m): 1:15pm On Oct 08, 2021
RightChannel:
Earlier I corrected you on Revelation 19 you quoted above, you succumb after showing you the esense of that verse if maybe Jesus Christ shouldn't destroy the beast, I will do the same here on Exodus 32. A question I will ask you is this, do you think the way you serve your allah by bowing for ordinary stone, worshipping stone etc Yahweh should emulate the same right?
But is it better if worshippers of Yahwe stand, bow and face the wall of the temple of Jerusalem to worship Yahwe is it not ordinary stone [wall]...
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by RightChannel: 1:26pm On Oct 08, 2021
haekymbahd:
But is it better if worshippers of Yahwe stand, bow and face the wall of the temple of Jerusalem to worship Yahwe is it not ordinary stone [wall]...
Where did you see Christians bowing for a stone in Jerusalam unlike what your people are doing in Mecca?

We don't serve our God with mammon, our God is not an idol like allah

See idol worshippers below and give your allah a suitable name for the killings of innocent souls and this idolism procedures your people are rendering for him

Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by haekymbahd(m):
RightChannel:
Where did you see Christians bowing for a stone in Jerusalam unlike what your people are doing in Mecca?

We don't serve our God with mammon, our God is not an idol like allah

See idol worshippers below and give your allah a suitable name for the killings of innocent souls and this idolism procedures your people are rendering for him
I am talking about the worshippers of Yahwe. Are you worshipping Yahwe?

Jesus met them doing that and he never said it was idolatry, he did the same also and he did all he could to make sure the temple was made sacred..

The Talmud states that a Jew praying in the Diaspora, shall direct himself toward the Land of Israel; in Israel, toward Jerusalem; in Jerusalem, toward the Temple; and in the Temple, toward the Holy of Holies. ... The custom is based on the prayer of Solomon (I Kings 8:33, 44, 48; II Chron. 6:34).


Is this idolatory to Yahwe?


Mind you Muslims are only facing the direction of the khaaba and not worshipping a y stone. Muslim s initially faced Jerusalem Before conflict occured between the Jews and Muslims and they were told to face another direction

Allah SWT said:

"The foolish among the people will say, What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face? Say, To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 142)

"We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 144)






But your God is an idol like Yahwe is this idolatory to Yawe?

Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by RightChannel: 5:42am On Oct 09, 2021
haekymbahd:
I am talking about the worshippers of Yahwe. Are you worshipping Yahwe?

Jesus met them doing that and he never said it was idolatry, he did the same also and he did all he could to make sure the temple was made sacred..

The Talmud states that a Jew praying in the Diaspora, shall direct himself toward the Land of Israel; in Israel, toward Jerusalem; in Jerusalem, toward the Temple; and in the Temple, toward the Holy of Holies. ... The custom is based on the prayer of Solomon (I Kings 8:33, 44, 48; II Chron. 6:34).


Is this idolatory to Yahwe?


Mind you Muslims are only facing the direction of the khaaba and not worshipping a y stone. Muslim s initially faced Jerusalem Before conflict occured between the Jews and Muslims and they were told to face another direction

Allah SWT said:

"The foolish among the people will say, What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face? Say, To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 142)

"We have certainly seen the turning of your face, [O Muhammad], toward the heaven, and We will surely turn you to a qiblah with which you will be pleased. So turn your face toward al-Masjid al-Haram. And wherever you [believers] are, turn your faces toward it [in prayer]. Indeed, those who have been given the Scripture well know that it is the truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 144)






But your God is an idol like Yahwe is this idolatory to Yawe?
Is English now your problem? From all the pictures you sent, did you see them bowing down for a stone like what your people are doing from the below pictures? We shall refer you back to Nursery and primary school so as to get the meaning of "BOW" grin you these idol worshippers

Let me quickly add this from what you pasted above, you said your allah only belongs to the east and west? Something don happen grin your allah is only the god of east and west right? This is the real meaning of finish him

Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by haekymbahd(m): 7:12am On Oct 09, 2021
RightChannel:
Is English now your problem? From all the pictures you sent, did you see them bowing down for a stone like what your people are doing from the below pictures? We shall refer you back to Nursery and primary school so as to get the meaning of "BOW" grin you these idol worshippers
The Talmud states that a Jew praying in the Diaspora, shall direct himself toward the Land of Israel; in Israel, toward Jerusalem; in Jerusalem, toward the Temple; and in the Temple, toward the Holy of Holies. ... The custom is based on the prayer of Solomon (I Kings 8:33, 44, 48; II Chron. 6:34).


So tell me what direction are this people facing and what are they bowing to? The Jews stand and also bow..

"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..." (Matthew 26:39)

"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..." (Joshua 5:14)

"And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces…" (Numbers 20:6) This is the leader of the Jews ooo

"…then they bowed their heads and worshiped the Lord with their faces to the ground." (Nehemiah 8:6)

"…Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces." (1 Chronicles 21:16)

"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did a foretime." (Daniel 6:10)



RightChannel:
Let me quickly add this from what you pasted above, you said your allah only belongs to the east and west? Something don happen grin your allah is only the god of east and west right? This is the real meaning of finish him
Did you go to school at re read the verse did you see the word only.


Allah SWT said:

"The foolish among the people will say, What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face? Say, To Allah belongs the east and the west. He guides whom He wills to a straight path."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 142)
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by RightChannel: 7:45am On Oct 09, 2021
haekymbahd:
The Talmud states that a Jew praying in the Diaspora, shall direct himself toward the Land of Israel; in Israel, toward Jerusalem; in Jerusalem, toward the Temple; and in the Temple, toward the Holy of Holies. ... The custom is based on the prayer of Solomon (I Kings 8:33, 44, 48; II Chron. 6:34).


So tell me what direction are this people facing and what are they bowing to? The Jews stand and also bow..

"And he (Jesus) went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed..." (Matthew 26:39)

"And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship..." (Joshua 5:14)

"And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces…" (Numbers 20:6) This is the leader of the Jews ooo

"…then they bowed their heads and worshiped the Lord with their faces to the ground." (Nehemiah 8:6)

"…Then David and the elders of Israel, who were clothed in sackcloth, fell upon their faces." (1 Chronicles 21:16)

"Now when Daniel knew that the writing was signed, he went into his house; and his windows being open in his chamber toward Jerusalem, he kneeled upon his knees three times a day, and prayed, and gave thanks before his God, as he did a foretime." (Daniel 6:10)
When is allah going to guide you to be able to show us people bowing down for a stone in Jerusalem?


haekymbahd:
Did you go to school at re read the verse did you see the word only.


Allah SWT said:

"The foolish among the people will say, What has turned them away from their qiblah, which they used to face? Say, To Allah belongs the east and the west.
guides whom He wills to a straight path."
(QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 142)
To Allah belongs the east and the west.

Where is North and South? As soon as I get you a Nursery and Primary within your domain, I will let you know. Just relax you're not paying a dime for school fees cheesy you this idol worshipper
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by ANTIlSLAM(m): 7:48pm On Oct 09, 2021
haekymbahd:
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@ANT.IISLAM No be my imamu brainwash me na RIGHT.CHANNEL brainwash me oo
See this eru iku allah
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by SharonLoveth(f): 10:13am On Nov 24, 2021
AntiChristian:
When you want to lie you coin up an abusive term to abuse our Prophet. But if we bring verses from Yahweh's command that looks similar you invent excuses because Yahweh must be perfect. How do you define rape? How was it applicable to Muhammad and not applicable to Yahweh from Numbers 31 when He sent Moses to kill a whole people and preserve their virgins for themselves?
To solve this show me where is it written that Jesus Christ is a paedophile, running after girls for marriage

AntiChristian:
The Qur'an exalts all Prophets. Why is it only Jesus you see in the Qur'an? From Adam, to Idris (Enoch), Moses, Jesus, Yahya (John the Baptist), Solomon, David, Elijah, Elisha and a host of others. No Prophet was abused in the Qur'an unlike the Bible where acclaimed men of God who ought to be examples to their people committed incest (Lot and his daughters), adultery and murder (David lusted over Bathsheba then killed his husband to marry her.)
Elisha while on the way cursed some 42 lads who called him baldhead and wild beast killed them all.
I hope you will answer this again! Can you show where it is written in Quran that Muhammad is highly exalted in this world and aftermath



AntiChristian:
Even Jesus was not exempted. He wanted to fulfil a prophecy involving donkey. So he sent his disciple to fetch someone's donkey without prior approval from its owner! If this were to happen today, i mean you entering a house and take someone else's property saying the Lord needs it, Na cell you go rot cos you've committed a lot of offense!


All of the Prophets are examples to their people not only Jesus your God.
What can you say about the crimes and atrocities of your prophet?

He looted and plundered.

He tortured a man out of greed.

He preached hate for people of other religions.

He stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth

He extorted money from other religions

And many more......

All the Prophets are good examples to their people but muhammad is not worthy of emulating
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by AntiChristian: 8:34am On Nov 25, 2021
SharonLoveth:
To solve this show me where is it written that Jesus Christ is a paedophile, running after girls for marriage

We have shown you where Jesus's father sent people to kill a whole people and save their virgins young girls for themselves. If Jesus's father did this then Jesus can't be different from his father! Can we say Yahweh is a Paedophile too? If you believe Jesus is one with Yahweh, then Jesus too was involved in the killings and forceful taking of virgin captives!



I hope you will answer this again! Can you show where it is written in Quran that Muhammad is highly exalted in this world and aftermath






What can you say about the crimes and atrocities of your prophet?

He looted and plundered.

He tortured a man out of greed.

He preached hate for people of other religions.

He stoned adulators to death. Stoned a woman to death after she had given birth

He extorted money from other religions

And many more......

All the Prophets are good examples to their people but Muhammad is not worthy of emulating
Here are two memory verses you need to teach your female kids

Numbers
Chapter 31
7-12

7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males. 8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword. 9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods. 10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire. 11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts. 12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.

I wonder what you have to say about this? Using your own criteria against you this makes your God a false violent God. So once again you should not throw stones if you live in a glass house.

17-18
17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. 18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves

What do you have to say to this? This is your God commanding Moses to kill the women and CHILDREN and to keep the virgins alive.

So now you can see that Yahweh commanded Moses to kill many, Plunder, burn and even take little girls for themselves!

Yahweh is one with Jesus. (John 10:30 I and the Father are one)

So Jesus was also a co-conspirator according to the Bible.

We need not look for the reason for each of the acts! If you agree with your assertion then you just have to agree to this except if you were are simply a hypocritical Christian suffering from acute prejudice and Islamophobia.
Re: How Can Muslims Balance These Narratives by 2dominate: 8:29am On Nov 26, 2021
chigator2:
I have been wanting to ask.

Why would an all-knowing God ordain the role of the Prophet of the last true religion, the religion of "Peace" to a character surrounded by controversies, a highway raider, and a political warlord in the person of Muhammad?

Even in the Quran, the narration of Jesus' life epitomizes a simple one of peace with God and with Mankind. On the other hand, Muhammad lived a relatively violent life ( lived on the sword ), warring with neighbors ( in the once tranquil region of Arabia ), raiding and looting innocent merchants of their possessions on trade highways. Even Death didn't deal peaceably with Muhammad, he died painfully of acute poisoning quite unlike Isa/Jesus whom God ascended to heaven alive and will still make a return to Earth ( from Quran).

After the Death of Muhammad, the next battle for the first generation Muslims wasn't one of spiritual connotation rather it was a physical one. Worst off, it was amongst themselves over the succession of the caliphate which lead up to the Shia-Sunni split. Something unheard of from the first Christians in the Bible which were recorded to live in piety and charity even under intense Roman persecution. Safe to say the followers of Jesus and Muhammad were duly taught in the doctrines of their masters.

How then can Muslims balance these conflicting narratives?
There is a saying in Yoruba that we only wake someone who is asleep not someone pretending to be sleeping.
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