OJEEMAH:
and with fewer games

lol.

Now compared to Ronaldo, Messi has more non penalty goals, more non penalty free kicks, more assists, highest goals scored in a season, played fewer games, has more individual awards, more international awards, more club awards, more ballon d’ors, more World Cup achievements, more golden boots …yet according to some people, Ronaldo is better than Messi simply because he has more penalties and played in more clubs.

To be honest, the biggest mystery that would forever remain unsolved is how Ronaldo and his PR guys were able to convince atleast half of the soccerverse that he is remotely close to Messi

Contango:


lol.

Now compared to Ronaldo, Messi has more non penalty goals, more non penalty free kicks, more assists, highest goals scored in a season, played fewer games, has more individual awards, more international awards, more club awards, more ballon d’ors, more World Cup achievements, more golden boots …yet according to some people, Ronaldo is better than Messi simply because he has more penalties and played in more clubs.

To be honest, the biggest mystery that would forever remain unsolved is how Ronaldo and his PR guys were able to convince atleast half of the soccerverse that he is remotely close to Messi

Atleast, you no longer need a soothsayer to tell you majority of them voted Buhari despite his abysmal record and antecedent

OJEEMAH:
That's not true. He scored 2 free kicks, 1 PK and his usual looping.

yeah true

Contango:


Actually, it is Messi that is ahead with 1 non penalty goal

typo error. but still it only takes 2 non penalty goals from ronaldo to shattered that arguement that is if messi continue to struggle in the farmers league

Contango:


This might look like a joke but you actually have a point.

Lets say two hypothetical players exist. One scores 10 penalties making him top scorer for a particular league, and the second player, the runner up has say 7 goals consisting of 4 out of the 18 yard shot goals, 2 free kicks and 1 in tap in. It would be grossly unfair to the runner up of the golden boot were given to the 10 penalties player just simply because he has more goals. I actually feel golden boot award should be reviewed to offer some level of down grade on penalty goals. They could say 3 penalties = 1 non penalty goal or thereabout.

This is how it will look like with no penalty;
messi not in the top20 for goals score in international football but ronaldo in top2.
messi no longer the highest goalscoring player in a calender year[91 goals]
messi would have gone 3 months without scoring a goal last season.
no group stage goal for messi in the champions league last season.
both messi and ronaldo would not have been golden boot winner this summer.
so you see my friend, penalties is beneficial to both players.

ojaysam25:

typo error. but still it only takes 2 non penalty goals from ronaldo to shattered that arguement that is if messi continue to struggle in the farmers league

But Messi started playing 3 years later than Ronaldo. Imagine if he had started just one year later than Ronaldo, I am pretty sure his total non penalty goals would have exceeded Ronaldo’s total number of goals with penalties inclusive

ojaysam25:

This is how it will look like with no penalty;
messi not in the top20 for goals score in international football but ronaldo in top2.
messi no longer the highest goalscoring player in a calender year[91 goals]
messi would have gone 3 months without scoring a goal last season.
no group stage goal for messi in the champions league last season.
both messi and ronaldo would not have been golden boot winner this summer.
so you see my friend, penalties is beneficial to both players.

...osheyyyyy..... u just finished them ...u know say dem dull well well....take it easy on them

Contango:


But Messi started playing 3 years later than Ronaldo. Imagine if he had started just one year later than Ronaldo, I am pretty sure his total non penalty goals would have exceeded Ronaldo’s total number of goals with penalties inclusive

Ronaldo started 02/03...messi started 04/ 05 ...how is that 3 yrs??.... Ronaldo started with a weak European team Lisbon....messi started with the best team in Europe as of that time Barcelona...with the best team mates

ojaysam25:

This is how it will look like with no penalty;
messi not in the top20 for goals score in international football but ronaldo in top2.
messi no longer the highest goalscoring player in a calender year[91 goals]
messi would have gone 3 months without scoring a goal last season.
no group stage goal for messi in the champions league last season.
both messi and ronaldo would not have been golden boot winner this summer.
so you see my friend, penalties is beneficial to both players.

Fair enough. But the conclusion of the argument would be that Messi still eclipses Ronaldo in goal scoring and assist tally. Don’t forget that Messi is not a striker. He starts from the wing and shuffles around depending on need.

Ronaldo is always around the 18yard box waiting to score. It is expected that he ought to have more goals that someone who is more of a midfielder

OJEEMAH:


That MOD deserve 600years

Hahahahahahaha . If i b Seun i go they change moderators every year. Them get one wey they behave like say na him get nairaland.

OJEEMAH:
I won't mention names but have you also noticed, some persons thread rarely hit ten comments before its moved to FP??
and also post a thread that massages the ego of Ronaldo fanboys

I swear bro i noticed ooo. There's one Ronaldo's fan wit a female moniker; anything madam post must hit frontpage like breeze especially if the story they massage Ronaldo ego or if the story they insult Messi. I no they see her posts again abi she done retire? U suppose knw who i dey talk

Numerouno94:


I swear bro i noticed ooo. There's one Ronaldo's fan wit a female moniker; anything madam post must hit frontpage like breeze especially if the story they massage Ronaldo ego or if the story they insult Messi. I no they see her posts again abi she done retire? U suppose knw who i dey talk

I think I know who you dey refer to.......make them continue the injustice.

Numerouno94:


I swear bro i noticed ooo. There's one Ronaldo's fan wit a female moniker; anything madam post must hit frontpage like breeze especially if the story they massage Ronaldo ego or if the story they insult Messi. I no they see her posts again abi she done retire? U suppose knw who i dey talk

Me, I go talk am

O.bem.bet.

OJEEMAH:
very bias set of people and they no dey hide am sef.

I dey fine bros....... What's up with you?

Thierryjay, where at thou??

Lol, bro, I've been seriously under these past few days. Just trying to catch up here now. Anyway, you are doing a good job on the incorrigible Pendulums.

Numerouno94:


Hahahahah @bolded. . Bro if u critically luk at Nigeria nd her citizens u will come to the fact that we actually deserve the kinda leaders we have. The leaders re the mirror of the society. We complain of our leaders being corrupt nd bias buh we do exactly the same in our own little offices. Don't b surprised wen same mods will b complaining of Buhari's loopsided appointed nd bias. I knw one particular moderator we sabi carry Ronaldo news go frontpage like breeze buh i no go mention him name.

It's bn a while i saw Thierryjay's comment.

Bro, I have been unavoidably absent ni jare. The agenda against Messi on Nairaland has been around for a long time. I remember bringing this up with Obembela around 2016 or so.

Numerouno94:


I swear bro i noticed ooo. There's one Ronaldo's fan wit a female moniker; anything madam post must hit frontpage like breeze especially if the story they massage Ronaldo ego or if the story they insult Messi. I no they see her posts again abi she done retire? U suppose knw who i dey talk

Lol. Everyone knows you are referring to obembet

Contango:


Lol. Everyone knows you are referring to obembet

my guy is taking the words outa my mouth.

JohnnyPalmer:


Me, I go talk am

O.bem.bet.

. I no they see her make posts again abi she done retire?

OJEEMAH:
I think I know who you dey refer to.......make them continue the injustice.

God go shame them this December.

ThierryJay:


Bro, I have been unavoidably absent ni jare. The agenda against Messi on Nairaland has been around for a long time. I remember bringing this up with Obembela around 2016 or so.

@bolded, due to work right? Welkum back boss.

Abt the issue if Messi, the hate is real. Nairaland is one hell of a bias forum. I really hope Messi wins the balon d'or this Dec nd put them to shame.

Numerouno94:


@bolded, due to work right? Welkum back boss.

Abt the issue if Messi, the hate is real. Nairaland is one hell of a bias forum. I really hope Messi wins the balon d'or this Dec nd put them to shame.

Thanks. I really hope so as well. Need more social distancing between Messi and those pretenders.

ThierryJay:


Lol, bro, I've been seriously under these past few days. Just trying to catch up here now. Anyway, you are doing a good job on the incorrigible Pendulums.

Thanks brother........you're good right?

OJEEMAH:
Thanks brother........you're good right?

I'm good bro . Twas just a high workload I was referring to.

ThierryJay:


I'm good bro . Twas just a high workload I was referring to.

okay.... i get it

Contango:


Fair enough. But the conclusion of the argument would be that Messi still eclipses Ronaldo in goal scoring and assist tally. Don’t forget that Messi is not a striker. He starts from the wing and shuffles around depending on need.

Ronaldo is always around the 18yard box waiting to score. It is expected that he ought to have more goals that someone who is more of a midfielder

Stop saying that crap...he is has been a striker/ winger for over a decade now

Kingcalls:


Stop saying that crap...he is has been a striker/ winger for over a decade now

1. You are missing the basic point. Messi has played all the positions except goal keeping, central defence and side back.

2. Messi has played central forward, Second striker, left wing, right wing, attacking midfield, central midfield and at some point in games, defensive midfield. As Pep, one of the most respected and experienced coaches would say, Messi is number 9, 10, 11, 8, 7, 6 and 4.

3. Most attackers don’t maintain the position the play. That someone is a striker on paper does not mean they maintain that position. Messi as a striker is not the same as Cavani or Lewandoski as striker. Most times, Messi is a false 9 meaning he is a coded midfielder whose job is to draw center backs into the field to create pockets of space for wingers and some central midfielders to exploit. Only creative players do that. Aside Messi, Firmino and Van Persie, we’ve not really had much false 9s that were effective. Similarly, Ronaldo is a traditional false left winger who starts at the left wing but cuts in centrally. So he is basically number 11 and 9.

4. Ronaldo only plays two positions. Number 9 and number 11. You only see him japa to the right wing (7) if the defender on the left wing is too tough for him. Ronaldo is a very good finisher but not a creative playmaker. He wouldn’t even compete with Liverpool’s firmino or Coutinho in in playmaking to be honest. But he is the best striker the world have seen in my opinion.

5. Don’t let your love for Ronaldo blind you from the truth. If you want to have an honest unbiased opinion as to who is better between the two, listen to experts and people with experience in the game. Find out frm world class coaches and football captains their opinion on who is best and why and stop following what short sighted fans say. While I respect the opinion of football fans, I think it is prudent to pay more attention to the opinion of subject experts

Contango:


1. You are missing the basic point. Messi has played all the positions except goal keeping, central defence and side back.

2. Messi has played central forward, Second striker, left wing, right wing, attacking midfield, central midfield and at some point in games, defensive midfield. As Pep, one of the most respected and experienced coaches would say, Messi is number 9, 10, 11, 8, 7, 6 and 4.

3. Most attackers don’t maintain the position the play. That someone is a striker on paper does not mean they maintain that position. Messi as a striker is not the same as Cavani or Lewandoski as striker. Most times, Messi is a false 9 meaning he is a coded midfielder whose job is to draw center backs into the field to create pockets of space for wingers and some central midfielders to exploit. Only creative players do that. Aside Messi, Firmino and Van Persie, we’ve not really had much false 9s that were effective. Similarly, Ronaldo is a traditional false left winger who starts at the left wing but cuts in centrally. So he is basically number 11 and 9.

4. Ronaldo only plays two positions. Number 9 and number 11. You only see him japa to the right wing (7) if the defender on the left wing is too tough for him. Ronaldo is a very good finisher but not a creative playmaker. He wouldn’t even compete with Liverpool’s firmino or Coutinho in in playmaking to be honest. But he is the best striker the world have seen in my opinion.

5. Don’t let your love for Ronaldo blind you from the truth. If you want to have an honest unbiased opinion as to who is better between the two, listen to experts and people with experience in the game. Find out frm world class coaches and football captains their opinion on who is best and why and stop following what short sighted fans say. While I respect the opinion of football fans, I think it is prudent to pay more attention to the opinion of subject experts

So he played left back and defensive midfield... messi fans are highly deluded

Kingcalls:


So he played left back and defensive midfield... messi fans are highly deluded

Abeg highlight where I mentioned that he played left back abeg

As for defensive midfield, I said Messi drops momentarily to DMF. If you haven’t seen Messi drop that deep, then you clearly don’t watch Messi play hence it is not surprising that you dont know what you are talking about