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Trevor007007:
Did Russell separate himself from his wife? No!

Did Russell later divorce his wife? No!

Actually, it was Mrs. Russell who separated from her husband, and and it was she who later filed for divorce; the court decision actually amounted to a legal separation. Brother Russell, of course, had no control over what his wife sought to do.

Here is some pertinent information from Joseph Rutherford's A Great Battle in the Ecclesiastical Heavens concerning this matter:

Without notice, [Russell's wife] voluntarily separated herself from him in 1897, nearly eighteen years after their marriage. For nearly seven years she lived separate and apart from him, he furnishing her a separate home.

There is much more that could be said, but this gives a summation.

The Wikipedia article on Charles Taze Russell correctly reports:
Maria Russell filed a suit for legal separation in the Court of Common Pleas at Pittsburgh in June 1903 and three years later filed for divorce under the claim of mental cruelty.... She was granted a separation, with alimony, in 1908.
Rutherford, in his book mentioned before also stated:
It has been remarked by a number of lawyers who have read the record in this case that "no court has ever before granted a separation upon so slight testimony as appears in this case."

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There never has been an absolute divorce of either of the parties.

While in Ireland in the year 1911, Russell reported an event that is related to this:

The questions were of the usual order and were answered fully and promptly and to the apparent satisfaction of all the audience except the "Y.M.C.A." rowdies. One of the questions was inspired by an attack made on me there recently by the Rev. Dr. Torry. It was, "Is it true that you are divorced from your wife?"

I replied that my topic was, "Which Is the True Gospel?" and that my home affairs and my relationship to my God were my personal affairs. Nevertheless I would answer the question. "I am not divorced from my wife. The decree of the court was not divorce, but separation, granted by a sympathetic jury, which declared that we would both be happier separated. My wife's charge was cruelty, but the only cruelty put in evidence was my refusal on one occasion to give her a kiss when she had requested it." I assured my audience that I disputed the charge of cruelty and believed that no woman was ever better treated by a husband. The applause showed that the audience believed my statements. -- Watch Tower, December 1, 1911, page 436.

At any rate, it is apparent that Mrs. Russell was never actually granted a full divorce.

A deep research on this issue is scattered online, just using a weak info on Wikipedia is not enough Mr Emussan, dig deeper Nairaland warrior.

Trevor007007:
Mr man you know nothing about Mr Russell's court issues in his marriage, that your copy and paste is filled with errors, let me help you out.

Just imagine....

Where did I do any copy and paste here

Besides, what petra1 pasted is from Wikipedia

It'll be filled with errors since it's about your Founder but had it been it's another person it won't.

Trevor007007:
A deep research on this issue is scattered online, just using a weak info on Wikipedia is not enough Mr Emussan, dig deeper Nairaland warrior.

I can't stop laughing at this your defense mechanism.

Was it not Chris' wife who filed for divorce too?

Truly you people have no iota of shame.

Even the same Rutherford failed in his marriage

Emusan:
Just imagine....

Where did I do any copy and paste here

Besides, what petra1 pasted is from Wikipedia

It'll be filled with errors since it's about your Founder but had it been it's another person it won't.

Oh I thought it was you, so it's Petra, okay oh! But all I know is that Russell never divorced his wife on any ground, the separation was not even his idea at all, Wikipedia only gave little info about the issue but more research on the matter helps to clear things.

Emusan:
I can't stop laughing at this your defense mechanism.

Was it not Chris' wife who filed for divorce too?

Truly you people have no iota of shame.

Even the same Rutherford failed in his marriage

From this your post above you just prove to me that you are not different from the lai Muhammed

Trevor007007:
Oh I thought it was you, so it's Petra, okay oh! But all I know is that Russell never divorced his wife on any ground, the separation was not even his idea at all, Wikipedia only gave little info about the issue but more research on the matter helps to clear things.

Did Chris divorce His wife too?

Was the divorce Chris' idea at all?

Nothing to clarify, Russell failed just as Chris failed so both don't have any reason to teach about marriage. QED!

Trevor007007:
From this your post above you just prove to me that you are not different from the lai Muhammed

We can see who is not different from Lai Muhammad.

Trying to justify Russell by all means

Emusan:
Imagine this part of his statement "though both pastor's issues are not the same, one was on immorality and infidelity while other was about position from the pastor's wife."

Then you'll wonder the way they're trying to justify and defend their brothers.

He still does not understand that the position he holds still does not take away the fact that Russell was a failure based on Max summation. Reality says he was unable to live according to the Timothy account Max and his brother was branding about.

Emusan:
We can see who is not different from Lai Muhammad.

Trying to justify Russell by all means

He should allow Max to do his work and defend or deny Russell just as he has rubbished Chris for over 3 to 4 pages.

Trevor007007:
From this your post above you just prove to me that you are not different from the lai Muhammed

The reason you cannot bring the common denominator in both cases.

Respond to those questions and see where all your posts rest upon.

achorladey:
He still does not understand that the position he holds still does not take away the fact that Russell was a failure based on Max summation. Reality says he was unable to live according to the Timothy account Max and his brother was branding about.

Just as you said before, look at the way lame defence mechanism he put forth.

He is even trying to shift the blame on Maria Russell just to pain Russell in a good light.

Forgotten that both failed

achorladey:
He should allow Max to do his work and defend or deny Russell just as he has rubbished Chris for over 3 to 4 pages.

Russell must be defended at all cost reason why he has been trying to twist the truth.

Emusan:
I can't stop laughing at this your defense mechanism.

Was it not Chris' wife who filed for divorce too?

Truly you people have no iota of shame.

Even the same Rutherford failed in his marriage

You wey no know anything about somebody still dey point finger, Rutherford failed in his marriage my foot, you and you cohorts actually have no iota of shame, your words to you and your likes. Yes Chris wife file for divorce, which was later accepted by the husband through his holier than thou statement in his podium against his wife, something Rutherford never did, Nairaland warrior typing a reply to Trevor007007

Trevor007007:
Oh I thought it was you, so it's Petra, okay oh! But all I know is that Russell never divorced his wife on any ground, the separation was not even his idea at all, Wikipedia only gave little info about the issue but more research on the matter helps to clear things.

Divorce or separation na your palaver. Even if the idea of divorce or separation was from their children e no concern us. What is of interest is that They(Chris/Russell and Rutherford) both share a common denominator based on Max summation this you cannot counter.

Emusan:
Just as you said before, look at the way lame defence mechanism he put forth.

He is even trying to shift the blame on Maria Russell just to pain Russell in a good light.

Forgotten that both failed

Na only one person dey marry in the realm of their organisation.

achorladey:
Divorce or separation na your palaver. Even if the idea of divorce or separation was from their children e no concern us. What is of interest is that They(Chris/Russell and Rutherford) both share a common denominator this you cannot counter.

Na now you decide to use sarcasm, leave denominator alone or whatever, I only made a research to know more because I hate falsehood, I saw how you guys where happy that you have chased the other guy, but that was not my concern, my concern was to know what really transpired and I found the core truth without bias.

Trevor007007:
You wey no know anything about somebody still dey point finger, Rutherford failed in his marriage my foot, you and you cohorts actually have no iota of shame, your words to you and your likes. Yes Chris wife file for divorce, which was later accepted by the husband through his holier than thou statement in his podium against his wife, something Rutherford never did, Nairaland warrior typing a reply to Trevor007007

You wey no know anything about somebody still dey point finger......Trevor007007

You no go like make we go bring materials.

Rutherford failed in his marriage my foot...... Trevor007007

Talking about the generalismo himself. Shebi you still even hear about the wife of Russell. Have you ever asked yourself why Rutherford wife was so silent and no information was heard about her? What is the name of Rutherford son abeg tell us?

you and you cohorts actually have no iota of shame, your words to you and your likes......Trevor007007

Let Max be your guest. concerning the above.

Trevor007007:
Na now you decide to use sarcasm, leave denominator alone or whatever, I only made a research to know more because I hate falsehood, I saw how you guys where happy that you have chased the other guy, but that was not my concern, my concern was to know what really transpired and I found the core truth without bias.

You call it sarcasm . and happy chasing the other guy. Na him use him hands and finger type he is not responding to us calling us MISCREANTS .

I never even reason your matter concerning what really transpired. The core truth you have established here and earlier is Russell and Chris share same common denominator? Do you agree?

This below from your post makes it all LAUGHABLE....


leave denominator alone or whatever... Trevor007007

achorladey:
Na only one person dey marry in the realm of their organisation.

No very wrong assertion, I pin nothing on anyone per-se, but in every home one party must be at the wrong it could be the husband or wife, there is no perfect marriage. And note please there is a big difference between separation and divorce when it comes to marriage, you can not link them together, whether the wife separated from her husband or the husband separate from his wife, legal separation from the court later explained the reason, please check the wiki links, from this info I drop my typing fingers to Nairaland warriors, typing to reply the faceless Trevor.

Trevor007007:
No very wrong assertion, I pin nothing on anyone per-se, but in every home one party must be at the wrong it could be the husband or wife, there is no perfect marriage. And note please there is a big difference between separation and divorce when it comes to marriage, you can not link them together, whether the wife separated from her husband or the husband separate from his wife, legal separation from the court later explained the reason, please check the wiki links, from this info I drop my typing fingers to Nairaland warriors, typing to reply the faceless Trevor.

Gotten anything tangible from them so far?

One is an Apostate and the other is a always against Orderliness. So i concentrate on petra1 who wants others to come and learn from his Pastor!

MaxInDHouse:
Gotten anything tangible from them so far?

One is an Apostate and the other is a always against Orderliness. So i concentrate on petra1 who wants others to come and learn from his Pastor!

Please which one among them is an apostate/infidel?

Trevor007007:
Na now you decide to use sarcasm, leave denominator alone or whatever, I only made a research to know more because I hate falsehood, I saw how you guys where happy that you have chased the other guy, but that was not my concern, my concern was to know what really transpired and I found the core truth without bias.

@underlined says it all.

You're claiming to find the truth and not to be bias but what you've been doing since is to put the blame on the wife as if the husband isn't part of the union.



Whether you like it or not, Russell is a failure in that regard.

Trevor007007:
No very wrong assertion, I pin nothing on anyone per-se, but in every home one party must be at the wrong it could be the husband or wife, there is no perfect marriage. And note please there is a big difference between separation and divorce when it comes to marriage, you can not link them together, whether the wife separated from her husband or the husband separate from his wife, legal separation from the court later explained the reason, please check the wiki links, from this info I drop my typing fingers to Nairaland warriors, typing to reply the faceless Trevor.

No very wrong assertion... Trevor007007

You couldn't even detect the irony in that statement. . The person that post was meant for knows the meaning of that response as it applies to his post.

you can not link them together, whether the wife separated from her husband or the husband separate from his wife..... Trevor007007

Separate and divorce your palaver are. You say legal separation what brought them together in the first place. Is it legal divorce or legal union

achorladey:
You call it sarcasm . and happy chasing the other guy. Na him use him hands and finger type he is not responding to us calling us MISCREANTS .

I never even reason your matter concerning what really transpired. The core truth you have established here and earlier is Russell and Chris share same common denominator? Do you agree?

This below from your post makes it all LAUGHABLE....


leave denominator alone or whatever... Trevor007007

Denominator = A common trait or characteristic, a determining factor or standard, please in your own words prove how Russell's case and Chris aligns as a denominator. In your own term please explain how divorce and separation are linked based on the law as stipulated by your country on marital affairs, and how the holy scriptures puts it using (Denominator as your yard stick), please I just want to learn from the laughing achorladey

Emusan:
@underlined says it all.

You're claiming to find the truth and not to be bias but what you've been doing since is to put the blame on the wife as if the husband isn't part of the union.



Whether you like it or not, Russell is a failure in that regard.

He simply cannot understand

Na only one person dey marry in the realm of their organisation

Trevor007007:
Please which one among them is an apostate/infidel?

Interesting question waiting for the response

E get why?

achorladey:
No very wrong assertion... Trevor007007

You couldn't even detect the irony in that statement. . The person that post was meant for knows the meaning of that response as it applies to his post.

you can not link them together, whether the wife separated from her husband or the husband separate from his wife..... Trevor007007

Separate and divorce your palaver are. You say legal separation what brought them together in the first place. Is it legal divorce or legal union

Very funny faceless individual, you just typed nothing.

Trevor007007:
You wey no know anything about somebody still dey point finger, Rutherford failed in his marriage my foot, you and you cohorts actually have no iota of shame, your words to you and your likes. Yes Chris wife file for divorce, which was later accepted by the husband through his holier than thou statement in his podium against his wife, something Rutherford never did, Nairaland warrior typing a reply to Trevor007007

Do you have iota of shame?

We can see how you're lying about the whole issue that is so glaring in the history.

Still trying to justify the failures of Rutherford and Russell

Now, another angle is "Holier than thou statement"

Didn't Russell came out to make his own holier than thou statement too and accepted the court alimony?

The thing is, you people can easily point the accusing fingers but when the same measure is to be applied within your organization, you'll must find a way to twist it.

MaxInDHouse:
Gotten anything tangible from them so far?

One is an Apostate and the other is a always against Orderliness. So i concentrate on petra1 who wants others to come and learn from his Pastor!

What is your response concerning Russell's marriage and failure palaver? Is Russell name too difficult to pronounce now.

Gotten anything tangible from them so..... MaxInDHouse

The need for him to search the meaning of common denominator and type the meaning here.

Opo ko ni Eyin.

Trevor007007:
Very funny faceless individual, you just typed nothing.

Another way to divert attention.

It's now you know it's faceless, if it's not faceless what will you have done?

Imagine this shameless statement from you

"you can not link them together, whether the wife separated from her husband or the husband separate from his wife.....Trevor007007 Oct 13th, 2021

Just to justify the failure of both Russell and Rutherford

Emusan:
Do you have iota of shame?

We can see how you're lying about the whole issue that is so glaring in the history.

Still trying to justify the failures of Rutherford and Russell

Now, another angle is "Holier than thou statement"

Didn't Russell came out to make his own holier than thou statement too and accepted the court alimony?

The thing is, you people can easily point the accusing fingers but when the same measure is to be applied within your organization, you'll must find a way to twist it.

He is looking for apostate and infidel.

Emusan:
Another way to divert attention.

It's now you know it's faceless, if it's not faceless what will you have done?

Imagine this shameless statement from you

"you can not link them together, whether the wife separated from her husband or the husband separate from his wife.....Trevor007007 Oct 13th, 2021

Just to justify the failure of both Russell and Rutherford

This man or woman needs proofreader. He hardly understand his own post.

He wants me to start explaining the difference between a thing that is brought together legally and separated legally