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Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 7:15pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
The Qur'an declares: Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority: their abode will be the Fire: And evil is the home of the wrong-doers! (3:151) Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." This because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment. (8:12-13) Let not the unbelievers think that they can get the better (of the godly): they will never frustrate (them). Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies, of Allah and your enemies, and others besides, whom ye may not know, but whom Allah doth know. Whatever ye shall spend in the cause of Allah, shall be repaid unto you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly. (8:59-60) And Allah turned back the Unbelievers for (all) their fury: no advantage did they gain; and enough is Allah for the believers in their fight. And Allah is full of Strength, able to enforce His Will. And those of the People of the Book who aided them - Allah did take them down from their strongholds and cast terror into their hearts. (So that) some ye slew, and some ye made prisoners. And He made you heirs of their lands, their houses, and their goods, and of a land which ye had not frequented (before). And Allah has power over all things. (33:25-27) It is He Who got out the Unbelievers among the People of the Book from their homes at the first gathering (of the forces). Little did ye think that they would get out: And they thought that their fortresses would defend them from Allah! But the (Wrath of) Allah came to them from quarters from which they little expected (it), and cast terror into their hearts, so that they destroyed their dwellings by their own hands and the hands of the Believers, take warning, then, O ye with eyes (to see)! (59:2) That is because they resisted Allah and His Messenger: And if any one resists Allah, verily, Allah is severe in punishment. (59:4) Of a truth ye are stronger (than they) because of the terror in their hearts, (sent) by Allah. This is because they are men devoid of understanding. (59:13) Reading those verses it becomes clear that even though it is Allah who casts the terror into the hearts of the unbelievers, he does so by the action of the Muslims: ... smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them ... Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power, including steeds of war, to strike terror into (the hearts of) the enemies ... some ye slew, and some ye ThatFairGuy: |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 7:19pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
adm212144: Either you are an adamuuuuu, or you are intentionally ignorant. Name one terror group or act done in the name of Jesus and backed up by the new covenant. |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by adm212144: 7:23pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Khalsss:please define act of terrorism upside down professor. |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 7:25pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
adm212144: I should define terrorism for you because you have never seen a dictionary in your life. Get one, look it up and get back here. |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by adm212144: 7:27pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Khalsss:I'm surprised when Islam has become the envy of some people here .Any small thing they will start checking their fake Quran and Hadith .we have many scumbag in this country oo.Leave Islam for the Muslim .I won't be surprised i they start saying IPOB too is controlled by Muslim ?Thank God the whole area is known for Christianity and the killings is Christian killing Christian .LOL |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by adm212144: 7:29pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Khalsss:lol No 1 olodo .No wonder you are quoting fake Quran and Hadith here and there .promoting religious chaos . |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 7:34pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
adm212144: You guys clearly breed ignorance in your mosques... The Koran is clearly quoted with reference for anyone to check and confirm but you are too scared to see the errors in your faith yourself. Atleast get an English Koran and read up yourself less you perish in your ignorance. I am a Christian but I have searched through the Koran myself to see if the terrible things people about Islam is true. Before I even went through surah Al-Baqara, I saw loads of craziness that made me wonder how people still blindly followed this craziness |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Lovenorth: 7:45pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
BePrepared:Lame explanation |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 7:56pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
adm212144: You know nothing and have refused to learn. But I make it easier for you Is this a fake surah? Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, (which is Islam that abolishes all other religions ) of the people of the Book, (meaning the Jews and the Christians ) until they pay the Jizya (the tax imposed upon them) with willing submission and feel themselves subdued. (with humiliation and submission to the government of Islam.) 9:29 How about this When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way. God is forgiving and merciful." Sura 9:5 Let's start with these. Kindly explain what they mean |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Gandollar(f): 7:59pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
ThatFairGuy:But why are you angry because I want a payment? Do you think it's easy for someone in my position to have quoranic knowledge? Have you forgotten how Alfa deals with people while teaching them? Abeg if you don't want to pay with your church mind, then leave it. Imole.. no be small tin nau |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Gospel2Day: 8:01pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
dollynnn: Pretending or denying that this Arabian religion is responsible for some 95% of violence and wars around the world is being dishonest, to put it mildly. There is no place it went that ever had peace, until it had compelled everyone or the majority there to bow in submission and subjugation to its Arabian moon god of violence and war. 2 Likes |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Benitoh: 8:09pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Lovenorth:See them extremist. If you tell this one to go live in Saudi Arabia he will say no that he wants to go America to enjoy liberty |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Benitoh: 8:19pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
numericalguy:When a perpetrator perpetrates in the name of Jesus it'll be stated as well as when he perpetrates in the name of allah it'll be stated. So stop winning |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Abelino(m): 8:49pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
rajiedreez:Shout up and make your research |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Lovenorth: 8:52pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Benitoh:Sodomy is now liberty |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by ThatFairGuy: 9:04pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Quranic knowledge How Alfa deals with people All these are incongruent. Be forming you understand Yoruba there as well Gandollar: |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by adm212144: 11:25pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Khalsss:Was Christian and Jewish also mentioned or you formed it ?if you formed it ,it shows you are not sensible at all |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by adm212144: 11:28pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Khalsss:to your own understanding Christians and Jews are Idolators too ? |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by adm212144: 11:37pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
Khalsss:your own baqoora.most times your interpretation are wrong .you are not reading with church mind so interpretation will call to that line .And please why can't you leave this people and their religion .Why are you making the religion so envious .there are so many blunders in your bible too but most Muslim careless because they want the world to be at peace but why most Christians like to criticize Muslim ?Why are you making things uncomfortable for yourselves ?wasting your precious time promoting religious war .Any attack in the north Muslim ,I won't be surprised if you come up with a story that Muslim is responsible for killings in the east too .bunch of fools |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by adm212144: 11:46pm On Oct 14, 2021 |
adm212144:Digest this and stop writing rubbish polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.” (Al Quran 9:5) ! OK, so here is what I need to inform you about this verse. First, to understand a Quranic verse, you need also to be acquainted with the Arabic history of the time when Islam came. This verse was revealed unto Prophet PBUH while the Islamic followers were engaged in the Battle of Tabuk. The battle was fought as a retaliation against the buildup attack on the city of Madinah by Byzantine Empire in the year 629. It was also one of the first successful expansions of Islam in what is supposed to become a series of capturing major Arabian cities. Now, coming to the central aspect of the verse. The verse orders Muslims to fight those idolaters (and also those hypocrites who are the enemy within) when the sacred month is passed because fighting in a holy month is not allowed. The Byzentiniam force consists of many Arabian allies in those regions that were pagan or either some people of the book as well (Christian, Jews) who are fighting alongside the forces of King Heraclius of Rome to demolish growing Muslim influence in Arabia. So, God ordered Muslims to fight those people so that Muslims may not be outdone and be killed or their tribe eliminated along with the prophet. The fight was a defensive one. Now, in the last focus of this ayah, God also orders Muslims that if among the enemy, anyone who repents and eliminate the intention to assault Muslims, and better if they pray and give zakah (charity to poor), then the Muslims are not allowed to have any evil intentions against them as well and or find means to fight them at all. God is without a doubt merciful and loves forgiveness. You can read more on this Battle and the time of the revelation on these links: |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 6:15am On Oct 15, 2021 |
adm212144: Adamuuuuu you don't know the people your Koran refers to as the people of the books? Wow... |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 6:22am On Oct 15, 2021 |
adm212144: Ofcourse not, the permit to kill in the Koran goes beyond just christians and Jews. Christians are killed, Jews are killed, idol worshipers are killed, apostates are killed, atheists are killed. Believers who looks like they'll become unbelievers are killed. Homosexuals are killed, Fornicators are killed. Adulterers are killed, say anything against the prophet you are killed. Blasphemers are killed. The list goes on... |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 6:46am On Oct 15, 2021 |
adm212144:Well, the people have refused to let seemingly peaceful nation be. They keep spreading terror and history has it that's the way the religion spreads, terror and procreation. adm212144:Understand me, there are loads of peace loving Muslims but without doubt they're going contrary to what the Koran clearly teaches. The criticism is on the Koran and the extremist and the dishonest Muslim who wants to cover the truth. Not the genuinely ignorant bunch. adm212144:. Muhammad promoted religious war. The Koran promotes religious war. We just call a spade a spade and you are obviously uncomfortable |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Gandollar(f): 6:48am On Oct 15, 2021 |
ThatFairGuy:Humble yourself if you want me to teach you something. |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by Khalsss: 7:08am On Oct 15, 2021 |
adm212144: the time Muhammad spoke the passage he had enough power to dominate and crush the remaining Pagan tribes within the Hijaz, so he used it. He used his ever growing power and placed his rough noose of Islam around their necks. Pagans were forced to join Islam or die. This is not self defense. Some observations: Muhammad was the aggressor (9:2, 3, 5), this passage is an edict for war. Muhammad gave instructions to his followers to defend if attacked, but to also go out and attack all Pagans once the sacred months were completed. Muhammad was a truce breaker. The Pagans did not break all the truces. Muhammad claimed that God gave him a "revelation" allowing him to lie and break his word, i.e. the truces, stated in 9:1: "A declaration of immunity from God and His apostle to the idolaters with whom you have made agreements", and described as "A discharge came down, permitting the breaking of the agreement between the apostle and the polytheists". The materials state that it was Muhammad who broke all truces except those few he had with specific tribes or individuals for a limited time. When the sacred months were ended, those truces would also end. Muhammad would now be at war with all polytheistic tribes including those who had been peaceful. Had the Pagans broken the truces there would be no need for Muhammad to get a revelation to break them for they would already have been broken. Further, the Pagans were weak and demoralized and they were not about to start a war with the mighty Muhammad. Also note that Muhammad did not make an effort to renew the truce with the peaceful tribes, rather he initiated a state of war. Muhammad used compulsion to force people to convert to Islam: 9:5, "…If they repent and take to prayer and render the alms levy, allow them to go their way.". The verse describes conversion to Islam. The Pagans were going to be murdered if they did not convert. People tend to define religious conversion at the point of the sword as "compulsion." Muhammad commanded murder and terrorism for Islam, 9:5, 6, "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them", described as "one of those whom I have ordered you to kill,"…. Once the sacred months ended it was open season on the Pagans. They were going to be attacked, hounded, ambushed, captured, terrorized, and murdered by the Muslims. Muslim terrorists today do what this verse commands. So don't tell me it was a defensive war bullsht |
Re: 5 Dead, 2 Injured In Norway Bow And Arrow Attack, Suspect Is A Muslim Convert by ThatFairGuy: 7:51am On Oct 15, 2021 |
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