Klammer01:

Eyptians are Arab not Africans please

Subzero047:
No 7 is coming

Subzero047:


How more rounded is Osimhen then?

12large1:


Aboutrika is Egyptian Zidane. Zidane vs messi who better? I nor wan slap person today

damagnificentusb:


This statistics does not in anyway prove that halaand offers more than Osimhen. I may as well use the screen shots below to prove that Osimhen offers more than halaand, considering their strengths, weaknesses and style of play
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TheSuperNerd:


I cannot leave it at that after seeing how Ajax is keeping him quiet tonight. Osimhen won't be shut down like this.... no way! Not the Monster Machine!! Mbanu!!!

And soon, I will show the thread just why. I had some good time on my hand today after work and I decided to use some other authoritative number/stats keepers to prove my point on Osimhen's well rounded abilities. A quick research in reference to two of the top sites I indulge when I wanna go deeper than the deep in the numbers game.

Those citing only Sofascore are limited. I have already told you that Sofascore does not take account of pressure stats or ball carries made by a striker either on the turn towards goal or from deep. Sofascore does not measure the kind of passes a player delivers...... Sofascore is good and I use it but it is damn limited. Even their Defensive rating for Haaland and Osimhen is damn wrong.... with the comprehensive stats I will drop you will see why Haaland is indeed the elite finisher of the beautiful game today and has very good passing but he falls short and in some, way short of Osimhen in other attributes.

I am coming. Food is done but I decide when it will be served. Make I finish games first...

Haaland and Osimhen rightly stay in the same sentence and soon you will see it for yourselves... (even though I know folks go still turn blind eye and argue nonsense).


This is TheSupernerd... don't doubt when I say there is a strong case in place to place Osimhen alongside Haaland. Both are Beasts... but of unique flavors.


Wait for it... lol

Remember, the stats are constantly updated so it will be interesting going back at the end of the season or even at mid-season to see what has changed.

Don't forget the whole point of all this. I am only trying to show Osimhen is actually the more well-rounded motherf**King Strikerrrr who offers more attributes-wise in live action. Haaland will trump in the shooting and Goals creating actions and even in passing but in defensive actions, Possession attributes, Shot creation actions, Osimhen edges. Passing Types show they are almost at par but thereis one interesting stat info... Osimhen actually is the better long/high ball passer. Something he constantly shows when he falls to the channels and switches plays with long balls.

12large1:


You paid agents better keep the same energy next game when Rohr starts Musa and Simon ahead of ejuke, chukwueze. We’re going to be justifying irrelevant stats in a players position

TheGoodJoe:


Attack the message not the messenger. damagnificentusb blew the debate out of the stratosphere. Instead of commending him, you chose to attack.

You damagnificentusb are a legend in the making. Brilliant addition.

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12large1:


A striker main responsibility is to score goals and assist (create chances) and when you start mentioning irrelevant stats in a striker to feed your narratives, you lost. It’s the same people that criticize Rohr for playing Simon ahead of ejuke

TheGoodJoe:


Attack the message not the messenger. damagnificentusb blew the debate out of the stratosphere. Instead of commending him, you chose to attack.

You damagnificentusb are a legend in the making. Brilliant addition.

[img]https://media./images/9befe21f5467990a50a85fb6d41e5058/tenor.gif[/img]

TheSuperNerd:


The Preamble

You know....

...Folks bringing Amateur graphics showing Goals and Shots converted is laughable.

Abeg, doesn't shots converted also translate to Goals?? I mean what else would shots converted mean? It means a shot that turned into a goal. See how amateurish that graphic is. Childish graphic. Lol

The two (Goals and Shots Converted) are directly related so it's rubbish and denies focus on other parameters.

If it read Shots Conversion rate, then we would be talking something more mature. Coz that's goals scored divided by the number of shots taken.


Headers? Osimhen has won wayyyyy more. But he has also lost many because he constantly gets his body up for aerial battles. He doesn't shy away from it.

And the graphic says Headers... not Headers %. Ehyeaaa

According to stats by fbref (+ analytically compiled by Statsbomb with focus on Club career stats only give or take a few matches coz the stat is constantly being updated).... Haaland has won 77 and lost 73 aerials... whereas Osimhen has won 161 and lost 267.
Big difference between both lads when it comes to how constantly one throws himself into battles in the air.

So while Haaland may boast the better aerial duels won % because he hardly get s up for aerial battles, Osimhen have actually won way more aerial battles.



But what about Defensive actions according to Sofascore? See... Osimhen is clearrrrrrr... so cleaarrrr that it makes the Sofascore depiction laughable.


So in this light, I present to you the Haaland vs Osimhen player comparison using more detailed and far more comprehensive analytics and statistical data with focus on ONLY CLUB CAREER STATS.

Remember, the stats are constantly updated so it will be interesting going back at the end of the season or even at mid-season to see what has changed.


Don't forget the whole point of all this. I am only trying to show Osimhen is actually the more well-rounded motherf**King Strikerrrr who offers more attributes-wise in live action. Haaland will trump in the shooting and Goals creating actions and even in passing but in defensive actions, Possession attributes, Shot creation actions, Osimhen edges. Passing Types show they are almost at par but thereis one interesting stat info... Osimhen actually is the better long/high ball passer. Something he constantly shows when he falls to the channels and switches plays with long balls.


Let's begin...

Shown Below....

1. Their Miscellaneous stats SHOWING aerial duels and performance. OSIMHEN ON TOP.




The key:

Performance
CrdY -- Yellow Cards
CrdR -- Red Cards
2CrdY -- Second Yellow Card
Fls -- Fouls Committed
Fld -- Fouls Drawn
Off -- Offsides
Crs -- Crosses
Int -- Interceptions
TklW -- Tackles in which the tackler's team won possession of the ball
PKwon -- Penalty Kicks Won
PKcon -- Penalty Kicks Conceded
OG -- Own Goals
Recov -- Number of loose balls recovered


Aerial Duels
Won -- Aerials won
Lost -- Aerials lost
Won% -- Percentage of aerials won

Please do well to enlarge the attached graphic


Source: Fbref (+Statsbomb)

damagnificentusb:


This statistics does not in anyway prove that halaand offers more than Osimhen. I may as well use the screen shots below to prove that Osimhen offers more than halaand, considering their strengths, weaknesses and style of play
[img][/img]

TheGoodJoe:


That is why I find it baffling about people.

If I said Benzema is a better all round striker that Higuain, does that mean that Higuain is a one dimensional robot?

I repeat, the problem is comprehension.

Mujtahida:

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Guardiola might prefer Osimhen due to some of his different attributes.

You people will interpret it as Guardiola prefers Osimhen.

Iheanacho is a better finisher than Mbappe. That is Iheanacho is deadlier in the box.

You people will interpret it as Iheanacho is better than Mbappe.

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It's not comprehension that is the problem but rather it is that you are being disingenuous using sophistry to spin confusing yarns. Look at what you said above. Those are distinctions without any differences.
The first shows that Gaudiola prefers Osimhen. The second states why he prefers him. Bottomline: Gaudiola prefers Osimhen

Second example is real sophistry. everyone knows that Iheanacho and Mbappe are finishers. You say Iheanacho is a better finisher yet you don't want the person to understand that you are saying that Iheanacho is better than Mbappe yet that is what you have unequivocally said.

So my dear goodjoe the problem is not comprehension but bad communication, thoroughly bad communication

12large1:


As better than maradona and pele? I doubt if Egyptians rate sallah ahead of hossam hassan or even aboutrika. Salah hasn’t won anything for Egypt

Mujtahida:

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Guardiola might prefer Osimhen due to some of his different attributes.

You people will interpret it as Guardiola prefers Osimhen.

Iheanacho is a better finisher than Mbappe. That is Iheanacho is deadlier in the box.

You people will interpret it as Iheanacho is better than Mbappe.

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It's not comprehension that is the problem but rather it is that you are being disingenuous using sophistry to spin confusing yarns.

Look at what you said above. Those are distinctions without any differences.
The first example shows that Gaudiola prefers Osimhen. The second sentence shows why he prefers him. Bottomline: Gaudiola prefers Osimhen
And as such both your original statement and the interpretation are one and the same. As in it is properly comprehended.

Second example is real sophistry. everyone knows that Iheanacho and Mbappe are finishers. You say Iheanacho is a better finisher yet you don't want the person to understand that you are saying that Iheanacho is better than Mbappe but that is what you have unequivocally said. No one can understand you otherwise.

So my dear goodjoe the problem is not comprehension but bad communication, thoroughly bad communication

TheSuperNerd:



2. Their Passing stats shown from every facet... Haaland holds the forte here but Osimhen is the better long ball passer. Attempts more... and delivers more. Their Passing Types will elucidate a little more on that.

The Key:

Playing Time
90s -- 90s played
Minutes played divided by 90

Total
Cmp -- Passes Completed
Att -- Passes Attempted
Cmp% -- Pass Completion Percentage
Minimum 30 minutes played per squad game to qualify as a leader
TotDist -- Total distance, in yards, that completed passes have traveled in any direction
PrgDist -- Progressive Distance
Total distance, in yards, that completed passes have traveled towards the opponent's goal. Note: Passes away from opponent's goal are counted as zero progressive yards.

Short
Cmp -- Passes Completed
Passes between 5 and 15 yards
Att -- Passes Attempted
Passes between 5 and 15 yards
Cmp% -- Pass Completion Percentage
Passes between 5 and 15 yards
Minimum 30 minutes played per squad game to qualify as a leader


Medium
Cmp -- Passes Completed
Passes between 15 and 30 yards
Att -- Passes Attempted
Passes between 15 and 30 yards
Cmp% -- Pass Completion Percentage
Passes between 15 and 30 yards
Minimum 30 minutes played per squad game to qualify as a leader


Long
Cmp -- Passes Completed
Passes longer than 30 yards
Att -- Passes Attempted
Passes longer than 30 yards
Cmp% -- Pass Completion Percentage
Passes longer than 30 yards
Minimum 30 minutes played per squad game to qualify as a leader

Ast -- Assists

xA -- xG Assisted
xG which follows a pass that assists a shot
Provided by StatsBomb.
An underline indicates there is a match that is missing data, but will be updated when available.

A-xA -- Assists minus xG Assisted
Provided by StatsBomb.
An underline indicates there is a match that is missing data, but will be updated when available.
KP -- Passes that directly lead to a shot (assisted shots)
1/3 -- Completed passes that enter the 1/3 of the pitch closest to the goal not including set pieces

PPA -- Completed passes into the 18-yard box
Not including set pieces

CrsPA -- Completed crosses into the 18-yard box
Not including set pieces

Prog -- Progressive Passes
Completed passes that move the ball towards the opponent's goal at least 10 yards from its furthest point in the last six passes, or any completed pass into the penalty area. Excludes passes from the defending 40% of the pitch


Please do well to enlarge the attached graphic

TheGoodJoe:


Mbappe is ten times a monster than Iheanacho in work rate. Mbappe is better than Iheanacho in skills. Mbappe is better than Iheanacho in wing play. Mbappe is better than Iheanacho in defending.

So how does saying Iheanacho is better than Mbappe in finishing chances mean he is a better player than Mbappe?

It is poor comprehension. There is nothing sophisticated about it

Mujtahida:

Salah is arguably the best Arab player ever. As in even beyond Egypt and encompassing all Arabs and their footballing history.

12large1:


A striker main responsibility is to score goals and assist (create chances) and when you start mentioning irrelevant stats in a striker to feed your narratives, you lost. It’s the same people that criticize Rohr for playing Simon ahead of ejuke

TheSuperNerd:


3. Their Passing Types Analytics. Quite a balance here.

Note some dynamics here... Haaland edges in some, Osimhen edges in some.

Osimhen has the most Passes made while under pressure from the opposition.

Osimhen also Delivers the most passes that travel more than 40 yards of the width of the pitch. Long ball passing on point.

Haaland has more dead ball passes. I.e. Passes made from dead ball situations like freekicks, cornerkicks, kickoffs, throwins and goalkicks.

Haaland is more adept at ground passes. But Osimhen is better at low and high level passes.

Low Passes are those that leave the ground, but stay below shoulder-level.

High Passes are those that are above shoulder-level at the peak height.

Enjoy.






The Key:

Playing Time

90s -- 90s played
Minutes played divided by 90

Total
Att -- Passes Attempted

Pass Types
Live -- Live-ball passes
Dead -- Dead-ball passes
Includes free kicks, corner kicks, kick offs, throw-ins and goal kicks
FK -- Passes attempted from free kicks
TB -- Completed pass sent between back defenders into open space
Press -- Passes made while under pressure from opponent
Sw -- Passes that travel more than 40 yards of the width of the pitch
Crs -- Crosses
CK -- Corner Kicks

Corner Kicks
In -- Inswinging Corner Kicks
Out -- Outswinging Corner Kicks
Str -- Straight Corner Kicks

Height
Ground -- Ground passes
Low -- Passes that leave the ground, but stay below shoulder-level
High -- Passes that are above shoulder-level at the peak height

Body Parts
Left -- Passes attempted using left foot
Right -- Passes attempted using right foot
Head -- Passes attempted using head
TI -- Throw-Ins taken
Other -- Passes attempted using body parts other than the player's head or feet

Outcomes
Cmp -- Passes Completed
Off -- Offsides
Out -- Out of bounds
Int -- Intercepted
Blocks -- Blocked by the opponent who was standing in the path


Please do well to enlarge the attached graphic

12large1:


Without winning a trophy for his country? Okay o kontinue

elyte89:


Oga go sleep jare...mbappe is better dan nacho in dis,nacho is a monster in dis aspect dan mbappe..keep twisting everything u hear..just been half clever...

Who's better overall...nacho or mbappe...talk now or u keep quiet till d kingdom comes

TheSuperNerd:


3. Their Passing Types Analytics. Quite a balance here.

Note some dynamics here... Haaland edges in some, Osimhen edges in some.

Osimhen has the most Passes made while under pressure from the opposition.

Osimhen also Delivers the most passes that travel more than 40 yards of the width of the pitch. Long ball passing on point.

Haaland has more dead ball passes. I.e. Passes made from dead ball situations like freekicks, cornerkicks, kickoffs, throwins and goalkicks.

Haaland is more adept at ground passes. But Osimhen is better at low and high level passes.

Low Passes are those that leave the ground, but stay below shoulder-level.

High Passes are those that are above shoulder-level at the peak height.

Enjoy.






The Key:

Playing Time

90s -- 90s played
Minutes played divided by 90

Total
Att -- Passes Attempted

Pass Types
Live -- Live-ball passes
Dead -- Dead-ball passes
Includes free kicks, corner kicks, kick offs, throw-ins and goal kicks
FK -- Passes attempted from free kicks
TB -- Completed pass sent between back defenders into open space
Press -- Passes made while under pressure from opponent
Sw -- Passes that travel more than 40 yards of the width of the pitch
Crs -- Crosses
CK -- Corner Kicks

Corner Kicks
In -- Inswinging Corner Kicks
Out -- Outswinging Corner Kicks
Str -- Straight Corner Kicks

Height
Ground -- Ground passes
Low -- Passes that leave the ground, but stay below shoulder-level
High -- Passes that are above shoulder-level at the peak height

Body Parts
Left -- Passes attempted using left foot
Right -- Passes attempted using right foot
Head -- Passes attempted using head
TI -- Throw-Ins taken
Other -- Passes attempted using body parts other than the player's head or feet

Outcomes
Cmp -- Passes Completed
Off -- Offsides
Out -- Out of bounds
Int -- Intercepted
Blocks -- Blocked by the opponent who was standing in the path


Please do well to enlarge the attached graphic

Mujtahida:

It's like the analysis I watched on ESPN regarding Mendy and Ederson. It was agreed that Ederson is a better passer of the ball but as far as GOALKEEPING is concerned, Mendy trumps him and that is what matters because both of them are goalkeepers.

Ditto this talk about strikers. It is the person who scores more that is better than the other ooo even if the other striker defends or has other qualities than his striking peer because goalscoring is what is primarily expected of strikers.