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Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 11:37am On Oct 21, 2021 |
dorox:The universe is also eternal. It has always existed, nothing created it. We know this because energy cannot be created nor destroyed 1 Like |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 12:10pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: Please tell me how you know that the universe is eternal, that it had no beginning. |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 12:24pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
dorox:Because matter cannot be created nor destroyed Tell me how you know God is eternal |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 12:26pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:So, it is posible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 12:27pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:It's possible scientifically to have a universe that is eternal |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 12:29pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:What if the Primary Source: The uncaused-First-Cause (God) is the Source of all Energy in the Universe? At least science say the universe is 13.8 billion years old |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 12:30pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:The universe is not 13.8billion years old, the expansion from a singularity until now is 13.8billion years old. 1 Like |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 12:31pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:Law of physics seem to suggest that the universe wasn't created |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 12:45pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: But matter had its beginning some moments after the birth of the universe or the big bang according the standard model of cosmology. The natural order of things is to remain in the simplest state unless acted upon by something external. Absolute nothing is the simplest state, it requires no laws and no finely tuned parameters to exist and to remain stable. So, if there ever was absolutely nothing, there would still be nothing, and nothing could ever exist, because there would be nothing to cause it. Unless of course, there is a first cause, which by definition will be an eternal and intelligent entity i call God. |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 12:47pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
dorox:Nope sir, there's no birth of the universe and matter has always remain constant ever since. What we know is that the universe started expanding 13.8billion years ago from the already existing matter. Seems you are getting the big bang wrongly 1 Like |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 12:51pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:Science never spoke of creation. Science says :Space, Time and Matter existed simultaneously! How? The Physical Universe according to science started about 13.8 billion years ago. So, it is possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 12:52pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:Is the universe singularity? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 12:53pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:The question I asked was: It is possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 12:54pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:Law of conservation of matter seems to suggest that matter cannot be created |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 12:55pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:nope, it was a singularity before big bang A point of infinite gravity and density |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 12:59pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:That law is not a scientific law. It's a philosophical contraption and it's possible that the universe doesn't have a cause in science. |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 1:00pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:The conservation of Energy and Matter suggests that BOTH Energy and Matter are exactly the same thing and it doesn't Exclude the "the Uncaused-First-Cause" as the primary ENERGY! I asked two questions: 1. Science says :Space, Time and Matter existed simultaneously! How? 2. Is it possible scientifically to have an infinite repetition of cause and effect? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 1:03pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:You are beating about the truth which is glaring for you to see: Please Account for the Entropy of the Universe, is it increasing or decreasing? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 1:16pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:how does entropy validate a God? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 1:17pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:uncaused-First-Cause is not science. It's theological philosophy In what science textbook have you seen law of uncaused cause? 1 Like |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 1:19pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:Easy to describe in theory: infinite gravity and density! Since you used the word density, 1. Do you know if it can be scientifically shown that gravity and destiny can exist without mass (if you like, condensed energy)? 2. Before the big bang, was the entropy of the gravitational singleton increasing or decreasing? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 1:21pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: You are just playing with words here. Many physicist commonly use the phrase birth of the universe, or beginning of the universe in the context in which i used it. Here is an excerpt from phys.org How was our Universe created? How did it come to be the seemingly infinite place we know of today? And what will become of it, ages from now? These are the questions that have been puzzling philosophers and scholars since the beginning the time, and led to some pretty wild and interesting theories. Today, the consensus among scientists, astronomers and cosmologists is that the Universe as we know it was created in a massive explosion that not only created the majority of matter, but the physical laws that govern our ever-expanding cosmos. As to my other question; why is there something rather than nothing? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 1:29pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
dorox:Many physics in 19 century maybe and not now. Big bang is the origin of space and time as we know today. We don't know how the singularity before the universe got there yet. The universe is eternal according to law of physics 1 Like |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 1:31pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:OK show me how gravity can exist without mass? Educate me. We don't know anything that happens before big bang. I'm so interested in how gravity can without mass. |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 1:34pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:I don't know how gravity can exit without mass: because every known example show that it is condensed energy/masss that produce gravitational fields. That was why I asked you if you know. I also asked you: Before the big bang, was the entropy of the gravitational singleton increasing or decreasing? |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by orisa37: 1:37pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
NaijaSatanlst: SOON IS TIME BEFORE ETERNITY. |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 1:38pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
TenQ:OK, no gravity cannot exist without mass, it's an indication that the singularity before the big bang with infinite gravity was very massive and dense. That's why we say the universe is eternal |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by orisa37: 1:48pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: THUNDER STRIKES THROUGH ALL MUMU THEORIES. |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by Workch: 1:51pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
orisa37:Your mobile phone and internet work because of those mumu theories 1 Like |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by TenQ: 1:52pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch:See, the uncaused first cause is simply the Law of Conservation of Energy! It just simply mean that EVERYTHING has an Eternal SOURCE! Even then the Gravitational Singleton didn't just appear by itself EXCEPT you are willing to concede that the gravitational Singleton is the Uncaused First Cause! |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by orisa37: 1:53pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
THE RESURRECTION IS. AN ALL TIME GRAVITATION. |
Re: It’s Very Illogical To Worship The Christian God. by dorox(m): 1:53pm On Oct 21, 2021 |
Workch: The universe has a finite past and Wikipedia agrees with me as you can see from the quote below Detailed measurements of the expansion rate of the universe place the Big Bang singularity at around 13.8 billion years ago, which is thus considered the age of the universe.[6]The general scientific consensus is that any conjecture as to what might have been before the singularity, or how it came to be will never be based on science. |
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