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Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 9:10pm On Aug 24, 2021
Charlotte was barely two months old when she joined our enterprise. Goat Charlotte was named after Queen Charlotte, consort of king George III of the Great Britain and Ireland. The smallest of three kids born by her mother. Deemed undesirable, she was walking the pathway of African method of animal euthanasia, with her carcass thrown away.

She was suffering from bovine dermatophilosis, intestinal worm infestation and acute malnutrition, which we guessed might be due to lack of stamina to compete for milk. Her access to colostrum at birth also became a point of debate.

I decided to buy her despising all forms of discouragement and warning.

The course of treatment began and in less than a few weeks, Charlotte had changed physically, more and shining fur coat. In terms of size, she doubled her siblings.

Her feeding regiments were carefully planned and her feed, well formulated.

Charlotte was so cool with human beings and everyone would say could a goat behave like a sheep? She became emotionally attached to me, would like to follow me almost everywhere, which she sometimes did. Anytime I was back from school and she heard my voice, she would jump up and run ,just the way goat kids jump. She wouldn't sleep in her pen until coerced, and would behave just like a pet dog would do.

Because of emotion, I would treat her differently from the rest. After sometime, her feeding style changed. She would prefer human food to goat formulated feed, and from that to cut forages. Due to pity, I would serve her, her preference when I was around,and instruct that her preference be given when I was away.

Knowing the dangers of suddenly changing bovines' diets (goats, sheep, cattle etc) to energy (carbohydrates ,protein and fats and oil) rich feedstuffs (concentrates and lusture forages), which Charlotte was consuming from her feed and human food, I knew I needed to be careful against bloating (forages prevented constipation, and silicotine was added to her feed) and vaccinate her against ENTEROTOXEAMIA.

I never did the vaccination probably due to my tight academic and business schedules.

I was off to school for some time, a day to my leaving, she was not behaving good and had a bad appetite but because of what I was going through, I posed little attention to it. The last time I was around, I saw a sharp, neat infected cut on her back, which must have been due to a sharp object inflicted injury, I probed and couldn't be given a clear explanation. I proceeded the treatment and the wound was already healing before I left for school. I gave instructions out not to allow any of my farm animals out of their pens.

I just received a call now that Charlotte passed away, lying down after returning to her pen after I gave instructions on their movements.

My guesses:

(1) Human inflicted poison
(2) Feeding on poisonous forage (Clover leaf et
al)
(3) ENTEROTOXEAMIA

What is Enterotoxemia?

It is blood poisoning as a result of toxins produced by harmful clostridium species (Clostridium puregens, I can't remember the spellings well), usually present in the gut of bovines in low amount but could multiply to reach a disease causing level if livestock is fed with energy rich diet.

What are the symptoms?

Symptoms may be absent but there could be,
1. Loss of appetite
2. Kicking the stomach due to pains (may not always be present)
3. Bloody stained fecal droppings or diarrhoea (may not always be present too)
4. Sudden unexplainable death
5. Psychosis (only if toxins are present in the brain). This way, the animal dies with the forelimb and hindlimb stretched forward and head bent backwards)

What are treatments are available?

Antibiotics therapy, but not always successful and chance of survival slime as antibiotics can eradicate the toxins source and not the toxins themselves.

Are there vaccinations?

Yes, it is the best course of decision. This is usually given against the types C and D and tetani (which causes tetanus) species of the clostridium. Best given towards the last days of goat gestational period so that antibodies developed might be passed on, to kids through colostrum (first dirty milk at birth), booster dose also given once a year.

I would have loved to probe her death within the ' framework of autopsy ' and ascertain the cause of death and if it had been human intentional poisoning, I would investigate the person and made necessary arrest irrespective of the state's grazing law.

I know baba at the top and his entourage would have supported me, unfortunately the country is not smiling and my boys don roast the meat chop

Well, I learnt my lessons from all standing points (emotion in the way of process, procrastination in the way of progress) and I hope as a goat farmer or not reading this, you'll also get something.

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dougthy(m): 12:01am On Aug 25, 2021
I am really sorry for your loss. I think I have learned a lot from your post cos it is written is details. Kind you suggest a particular feed/concentrate you feed your goats? I feed my goats ruminant feed (feed lot ration) from Animal care but they aren't eating it very well compared to the poultry feed I give them once in a while. Thanks

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 10:21am On Aug 25, 2021
Dougthy:
I am really sorry for your loss. I think I have learned a lot from your post cos it is written is details. Kind you suggest a particular feed/concentrate you feed your goats? I feed my goats ruminant feed (feed lot ration) from Animal care but they aren't eating it very well compared to the poultry feed I give them once in a while. Thanks

I noticed the same thing on my goats side too, especially when they are not used to OR brought up with the feed. What I do is to introduce the ingredients to them one by one or combine two together usually, more of what they will be eager to accept and that they would do otherwise as in the feed ingredients.

So I began to compound their feed myself to look more or less like poultry feed. Moreover that is what I sell. I compound it, feed them forages first and later concentrates in the morning, concentrate through the early afternoon and forages for the rest of the day. Charlotte was exempted from that rule though. And one thing to help your goats well is to give them a good start from while they are still kids bearing in mind they're from good progeny. Feed them quality and balanced ration. Good medication also. And good feeding time. This is very important.

I will also discuss the importance of urea addition to their diet (yes, urea fertilizer but in low amount) and also salt lick

I will drop both the ration and feed formulae when I'm done here

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dougthy(m): 9:18am On Aug 31, 2021
Dougthy:
Good morning. I am patiently waiting for your feedback. Thanks

I noticed the same thing on my goats side too, especially when they are not used to OR brought up with the feed. What I do is to introduce the ingredients to them one by one or combine two together usually, more of what they will be eager to accept and that they would do otherwise as in the feed ingredients.

So I began to compound their feed myself to look more or less like poultry feed. Moreover that is what I sell. I compound it, feed them forages first and later concentrates in the morning, concentrate through the early afternoon and forages for the rest of the day. Charlotte was exempted from that rule though. And one thing to help your goats well is to give them a good start from while they are still kids bearing in mind they're from good progeny. Feed them quality and balanced ration. Good medication also. And good feeding time. This is very important.

I will also discuss the importance of urea addition to their diet (yes, urea fertilizer but in low amount) and also salt lick

I will drop both the ration and feed formulae when I'm done here
Good morning. I am patiently waiting for your feedback. Thanks

I noticed the same thing on my goats side too, especially when they are not used to OR brought up with the feed. What I do is to introduce the ingredients to them one by one or combine two together usually, more of what they will be eager to accept and that they would do otherwise as in the feed ingredients.

So I began to compound their feed myself to look more or less like poultry feed. Moreover that is what I sell. I compound it, feed them forages first and later concentrates in the morning, concentrate through the early afternoon and forages for the rest of the day. Charlotte was exempted from that rule though. And one thing to help your goats well is to give them a good start from while they are still kids bearing in mind they're from good progeny. Feed them quality and balanced ration. Good medication also. And good feeding time. This is very important.

I will also discuss the importance of urea addition to their diet (yes, urea fertilizer but in low amount) and also salt lick

I will drop both the ration and feed formulae when I'm done here[/quote]
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 9:45am On Aug 31, 2021
Dougthy:
Good morning. I am patiently waiting for your feedback. Thanks

I noticed the same thing on my goats side too, especially when they are not used to OR brought up with the feed. What I do is to introduce the ingredients to them one by one or combine two together usually, more of what they will be eager to accept and that they would do otherwise as in the feed ingredients.

So I began to compound their feed myself to look more or less like poultry feed. Moreover that is what I sell. I compound it, feed them forages first and later concentrates in the morning, concentrate through the early afternoon and forages for the rest of the day. Charlotte was exempted from that rule though. And one thing to help your goats well is to give them a good start from while they are still kids bearing in mind they're from good progeny. Feed them quality and balanced ration. Good medication also. And good feeding time. This is very important.

I will also discuss the importance of urea addition to their diet (yes, urea fertilizer but in low amount) and also salt lick

I will drop both the ration and feed formulae when I'm done here

I'm on 2% now. Once I get to charge, expect it. Really sorry for the delay. It escaped my mind totally.

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 7:53pm On Aug 31, 2021
I will be dropping it bit by bit as I want to also include nutrition disorders in goats with it. More so, people waiting to buy my maize have been calling so anytime call could just interrupt. I will try and type on my phone's note app and paste it here.

Stay tuned.

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Eefosa1: 11:24pm On Sep 01, 2021
Please i want to know more about urea inclusion on their feed
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 10:42pm On Sep 02, 2021
I am this late available due to my schedules. Business, farm, and school. I hope you understand? OK back to topic

The feed I used for Charlotte contained high crude protein level and total digestible nutrients (that part of the feed or ration that could be digested by the goat e.g unprocessed palm kernel shell that got missed with the PKC during oil extraction cannot be digested by the goat) compared her age. I was thinking more of her body gained compared her health .

It was formulated as follows:
Maize 3.5kg
Wheat bran 2.5kg
Palm Kernnel Cake 1.5kg
Groundnut cake or Soya meal 1.5kg
Not too Finely grounded bone meal 200g
Weaner vitamin premix 75g
Mineral salt lick 50g
Coccidiostat as directed by the manufacturer and when necessary

Firstly in the morning, she was fed the common fruit leave, brachiaria grass (when available) and these legume commonly used for fencing (I'll attach the picture tomorrow). I usually cut in overnight and keep it to make it free from morning dew and other things that could contaminate them e. g larvae. After some break, usually finished it in about 20-30 minutes, 1-3 handful of the above formulated feed was given, water readily available. After then, any human food available, she ate (please let's be careful when we give our goats nylon rapped food, they could end up eaten the nylon with the food which is not good and could lead to reduced free low of stuffs in their intestines)

In the afternoon, forages were supplied. Different kinds this time, they might have dried and if it appears to rain, we get before then. Sometimes cassava fibres from garri or fufu processing were collected from folks involved with them and I would make sure this was collected during the rinsing process because some cassava could be high in cyanide

She was left to move around for the day and night, same as morning repeated. She sometimes eat at night too

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 10:52pm On Sep 02, 2021
Eefosa1:
Please i want to know more about urea inclusion on their feed

Urea is actually intended for the natural set of microorganisms that live in the gut of ruminants (cattle, goat, sheep etc) . It is a non dietary source (non feed source e. g proteins) of nitrogen in their diet.

These microorganisms ferment feed materials and when urea is available, they can use it to provide energy for themselves and use them to make amino acids and some proteins which they can share with the ruminant. With these, they could also increase in number and better digestion process.

It is usually encouraged when ruminant are fed with low quality feed stuffs or forages e.g in dry season

Please note that care must be taken when given to goat and should be used as recommended as they are more sensitive to urea compared cattle. It is used in cattle more.

And please note that oral antibiotics are not encouraged for your goat at all, because most of those microorganisms are bacteria
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 10:57pm On Sep 02, 2021
If you must give your goat remains of human food, it should not contain much oil or fat to reduce the chance of bloating.

We will look at goat nutritional disorders next

1. Bloat
2 Acidiosis
3. Laminitis
4. Urinary calculi
5. Milk fever
6. Enterotoxaemia

Stay tuned......

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 6:35am On Oct 07, 2021
Dawson126:
If you must give your goat remains of human food, it should not contain much oil or fat to reduce the chance of bloating.

We will look at goat nutritional disorders next

1. Bloat
2 Acidiosis
3. Laminitis
4. Urinary calculi
5. Milk fever
6. Enterotoxaemia

Stay tuned......

What do you feed your goat? Or what's the easiest feed to make/give to goats?
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by richkal(m): 7:05am On Oct 14, 2021
Sorry for the loss of your goat. It can be very painful to spend lots of time and resources to groom goats, only go to loss them due to short illness or something minor we don't take notice. Goats are capable of developing unhealthy feeding behaviour. It's our duty to serve them medicated feed and some healthy treats only. I always do this even when the goats are looking to eat human food. I take into consideration of every feed to give the goats and I document this on Azra Pets. Though some table scraps and leftover are good for the goats, that does not means we should serve them to the goats all the time.

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 7:48am On Oct 14, 2021
Finnish:


What do you feed your goat? Or what's the easiest feed to make/give to goats?

Sorry for the late reply. I have put up there some if their feeding regiments. Thank you

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 9:07pm On Oct 15, 2021
Dawson126:
I am this late available due to my schedules. Business, farm, and school. I hope you understand? OK back to topic

The feed I used for Charlotte contained high crude protein level and total digestible nutrients (that part of the feed or ration that could be digested by the goat e.g unprocessed palm kernel shell that got missed with the PKC during oil extraction cannot be digested by the goat) compared her age. I was thinking more of her body gained compared her health .

It was formulated as follows:
Maize 3.5kg
Wheat bran 2.5kg
Palm Kernnel Cake 1.5kg
Groundnut cake or Soya meal 1.5kg
Not too Finely grounded bone meal 200g
Weaner vitamin premix 75g
Mineral salt lick 50g
Coccidiostat as directed by the manufacturer and when necessary

Firstly in the morning, she was fed the common fruit leave, brachiaria grass (when available) and these legume commonly used for fencing (I'll attach the picture tomorrow). I usually cut in overnight and keep it to make it free from morning dew and other things that could contaminate them e. g larvae. After some break, usually finished it in about 20-30 minutes, 1-3 handful of the above formulated feed was given, water readily available. After then, any human food available, she ate (please let's be careful when we give our goats nylon rapped food, they could end up eaten the nylon with the food which is not good and could lead to reduced free low of stuffs in their intestines)

In the afternoon, forages were supplied. Different kinds this time, they might have dried and if it appears to rain, we get before then. Sometimes cassava fibres from garri or fufu processing were collected from folks involved with them and I would make sure this was collected during the rinsing process because some cassava could be high in cyanide

She was left to move around for the day and night, same as morning repeated. She sometimes eat at night too

Damnit, I'm dumb, how did i miss this, you said you were gonna attach a picture but didn't, can you please attach picture And also pictures of other ingredients/food, apart from maize, I can't 100% identify the other ingredients, I got few goats, I've just been giving them maize only.
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 9:20pm On Oct 15, 2021
Dawson126:


Sorry for the late reply. I have put up there some if their feeding regiments. Thank you

And I know you're very busy so there's nothing to be sorry about, it's actually a great pleasure to even get a reply from knowledgeable person like you, thanks for sharing your experiences.
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 9:31am On Oct 25, 2021
Dawson126. sad
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 9:36am On Oct 25, 2021
Finnish:
Dawson126. sad

cheesy
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 9:38am On Oct 25, 2021
Finnish:
Dawson126. sad

I'm at school now and even in a class. I'd send the pictures this week Wednesday or Thursday. Sorry I forgot this until I went through your post.
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 10:04am On Oct 25, 2021
Dawson126:


I'm at school now and even in a class. I'd send the pictures this week Wednesday or Thursday. Sorry I forgot this until I went through your post.

Ah thank you, one more thing, you grind everything together innit?
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 10:05am On Oct 25, 2021
Dawson126:


cheesy

grin I've been coming almost every day since I made that post, I bookmarked And started stalking your post self. grin
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 10:10am On Oct 25, 2021
"I just received a message now from my partner. Compliance level increasing and more people subscribing. We have decided to set up follow ups for our clients for checks and I had the opportunity today to share this with a group of academics today, the reason for documentation and checks and balances on our side. We can't afford to lose focus. This in turn has really improved sales.

More updates coming............"


I've got grey hair waiting for the promised updates wink grin
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 10:19am On Oct 25, 2021
Finnish:


grin I've been coming almost every day since I made that post, I bookmarked And started stalking your post self. grin

Hahahaha grin
I won't disappoint this time God's willing
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 10:22am On Oct 25, 2021
Dawson126:


Hahahaha grin
I won't disappoint this time God's willing

Amen
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 10:22am On Oct 25, 2021
Finnish:


Ah thank you, one more thing, you grind everything together innit?

Not really because, dusty feed is not too good for goats.
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 10:25am On Oct 25, 2021
Dawson126:


Not really because, dusty feed is not too good for goats.

Oh good to hear, I've been giving them only corn and I know they must be bored of eating that, they are free range, so they munch of the little cassava growing in the compound, they've finished that now though.

Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 10:36am On Oct 25, 2021
Finnish:


Oh good to hear, I've been giving them only corn and I know they must be bored of eating that, they are free range, so they munch of the little cassava growing in the compound, they've finished that now though.

I hope you've put my mistake above in check on your goats?
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 10:50am On Oct 25, 2021
Dawson126:


I hope you've put my mistake above in check on your goats?


I can't really pin point your mistake, also I think your goats are "ajebo" grin grin , these ones are from village, I think they're grateful with what they've got.
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 11:14am On Oct 25, 2021
Finnish:



I can't really pin point your mistake, also I think your goats are "ajebo" grin grin , these ones are from village, I think they're grateful with what they've got.


grin grin grin
If you're going to feed them with feedstuffs rich in carbohydrates eg the maize, the cassava and proteins get them ENTEROTOXEAMIA VACCINE

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Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 11:41am On Oct 25, 2021
Dawson126:



grin grin grin
If you're going to feed them with feedstuffs rich in carbohydrates eg the maize, the cassava and proteins get them ENTEROTOXEAMIA VACCINE

Thanks, researching that now.
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 11:43am On Oct 25, 2021
Dawson126:



grin grin grin
If you're going to feed them with feedstuffs rich in carbohydrates eg the maize, the cassava and proteins get them ENTEROTOXEAMIA VACCINE

https://content.ces.ncsu.edu/vaccinating-goats-against-enterotoxemia-and-tetanus-is-it-necessary
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Finnish: 11:44am On Oct 25, 2021
Lemme look for where to buy, do you have an idea of price?
Re: Goat Farmers: The Hard Lesson I Learnt Today by Dawson126: 11:46am On Oct 25, 2021

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