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Ayo081:
What Church wouldn't teach is that we've been blessed to fix things. For example I noticed a brother is hungry and I'm praying for him. Meanwhile, the prayer shoulda be simply shearing the bread I have with him.

If by 'bread' you mean, sharing the Wisdom gained by learning at the feet of God with them, I completely will agree, for no one is obliged to share oil with those who can't be bothered to wisely bring their own oil.

budaatum:
If by 'bread' you mean, sharing the Wisdom gained by learning at the feet of God with them, I completely will agree, for no one is obliged to share oil with those who can't be bothered to wisely bring their own oil.

I agree,

But I actually meant bread as in food, money or other things to put a stop to hunger.

SouthMustBeFree:
Sorry I don't mind you mentioning some of the Gods way of doing Christianity so I can note them and also make amends where necessary.

Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant, Law in the Kingdom of God. And so to follow Jesus Christ means to trust in and obey the Law which He embodies. For this reason, Jesus Christ declared that those who love are those who submit to and obey His teachings and commandments - John 14 vs 15 - 25; His friends are those who do as He asks - John 15 vs 14.

As far as being worthy of Jesus Christ, Heaven that is, below passage includes several laws which Jesus Christ taught that all those who will enter in through the gate which leads to True Life must also obey.

25 Many people were traveling with Jesus. He said to them,
26 “If you come to me but will not leave your family, you cannot be my follower. You must love me more than your father, mother, wife, children, brothers, and sisters—even more than your own life!
27 Whoever will not carry the cross that is given to them when they follow me cannot be my follower.
28 “If you wanted to build a building, you would first sit down and decide how much it would cost. You must see if you have enough money to finish the job. 29 If you don’t do that, you might begin the work, but you would not be able to finish. And if you could not finish it, everyone would laugh at you.
30 They would say, ‘This man began to build, but he was not able to finish.’
31 “If a king is going to fight against another king, first he will sit down and plan. If he has only 10,000 men, he will try to decide if he is able to defeat the other king who has 20,000 men.
32 If he thinks he cannot defeat the other king, he will send some men to ask for peace while that king’s army is still far away.
33 “It is the same for each of you. You must leave everything you have to follow me. If not, you cannot be my follower. - Luke 14 vs 25 - 33

No one can enjoy God's blessings while living in disobedience of God. And God's blessings go beyond the riches of this world - Matthew 5 vs 1 - 11

The details of God's New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God are found written of in the 4 Gospels for all those who will in fact choose to live by the Law.

Ayo081:
I agree,

But I actually meant bread as in food, money or other things to put a stop to hunger.

Well, some say, give a person bread and you've saved them from starving today. The person would of course return tomorrow to beg you for more bread.

budaatum:
Well, some say, give a person bread and you've saved them from starving today. The person would of course return tomorrow to beg you for more bread.

This is true,

Let them know when you can't help. Let them know when you need help.

If one can help them stop starving their entire life, one should do.

It could be harder than just penning.

Back to the OP,

Sometimes we help people too much we don't remember/think we need their help.

Reach out to people that could help. They may not be able to help at the right time. But they will.

Ayo081:
If one can help them stop starving their entire life, one should do.

Why? Are they my pickin? Shouldn't they get off their lazy ass and work for their own food?

Anyone who provides you with daily bread every day will be your lord and master and you will be their slave, but I guess many would rather be slaves in Eden with guaranteed daily bread than till the earth for themselves.

budaatum:
Why? Are they my pickin? Shouldn't they get off their lazy ass and work for their own food?

Anyone who provides you with daily bread every day will be your lord and master and you will be their slave, but I guess many would rather be slaves in Eden with guaranteed daily bread than till the earth for themselves.

Anyone who provides you with daily bread every day will be your lord and master and you will be their slave, but I guess many would rather be slaves in Eden with guaranteed daily bread than till the earth for themselves.

A 'Christian' wouldn't lord it over them.

Ayo081:
A 'Christian' wouldn't lord it over them.

Even though their God lorded over the occupants of Eden?

Trust me. I really seriously believe you as much as you believe yourself, not.

budaatum:
Even though their God lorded over the occupants of Eden?

Trust me. I really seriously believe you as much as you believe yourself, not.

Oh say whatever,

My God is Jehovah and your God?

Martinez39s:
God doesn't exist.

These atheists and agnostics with their shallow thinking!
Let me enlighten you!
99.99999% of people having this your line of thought are greedy and selfish people who feels like asking God to do what they want for them but after going through so many religious rites and practices they discovered there is no response to their selfish cravings so they concluded that there's no one out there listening to their prayers therefore God doesn't exist.
That's the secret behind atheism and agnostism, whether you like it or not right thinking persons will forever continue to think about God and how to draw closer to Him!

SouthMustBeFree:
My brother I have and I have. In fact if I give the full gist of my life you will understand what am talking about. But the point is I really want to get to the root of this .

Step 1 is Completely Run Away from the ways and teachings of this World. See and Understand that their ways and teachings are all evil.

And God hates evil, so He Cursed them all. (I bet you do not know how greatly God hates evil. They never teach these in the churches of the world)

So, right now you are running in and under that Curse and leaving it depends on a lot of things which I would not tell you (you have figure them out for yourself if you want).

That is the beginning of the Journey.

Warning! Your life will still not immediately get better But..

Over to you now!

SouthMustBeFree:
Sincerely I do appreciate all the comments coming in. This is not to argue whatsoever. But the truth is, who is righteous if that is the exact criteria for God to help a man? Who is righteous. Again, if righteousness is the criteria, does it now mean that God has never prospered anybody because even scripture says non is righteous and that our righteousness is as a filter rag before God. So how do you then claim God blesses only when one is righteous, yet we have billionaires and millionaires littered all over when God said there is non righteous?

Honestly, I need indept and detail interpretations because truly I want to see to the end of my situation. But of course I will know the truth and the truth will make me free.

Simply put, the righteous are the the few who enter the Kingdom of God through the narrow Gate - Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14 and Luke 13 vs 24. They are the ones for whom Heaven is guaranteed and they do so through continual submission to and obedience of the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ.

They, knowing the narrow gate into the Kingdom of God is made so by God's commandments to us through Jesus Christ, submit to living their very lives in continued trust and obedience of the Word of God through which they are made worthy followers of Jesus Christ , are become Sons of God - John 8 vs 31 - 44 - and worthy vessels for the Holy Spirit who only inhabits Holy/Perfect vessels made free from bondage to sin - John 14 vs 15 - 25 and are led by the very Spirit of God and the Spirit of Truth into doing Works of righteousness just like Jesus Christ before them as a result- John 15 vs 1 - 11.

The righteous are by result of their obedience saved from the condemnation of Sin , Death, and are made Sons of God, just as before Adam sinned. They do not work for food that perishes , but instead for food that sustains to eternity which only Jesus Christ can give- John 6 vs 25 - 41 and they are blessed abundantly by God with far more more they had to abandon for the sake of the Kingdom of God, here in this life - Matthew 19 vs 25 - 30

There is no interpretation needed of what is written in scripture after all the contents of the book is written in human language to be read and understood by other humans using basic human language comprehension skills, the very same skill used in comprehending that written in any other book to humans. The lie of the enemy has been that the contents of the Bible require interpretation and this lie has been used to deceive billions into adopting lies that have nothing to do with Jesus Christ and hence deceiving then away from God's Truth , just as Jesus Christ warned over 2000 years ago- Matthew 15 vs 1 - 14.

Please abandon everything you have ever been told of God by men upto this point and try to approach the Word of God - I recommend the Gospels- as if for the first time in your life, carefully reading through each book as you would any book or knowledge and putting to practice that which Jesus Christ said and commands.

God said that those who seek Him willl find Him and the only way to seek Him is through obedience. Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law in the Kingdom of God, the Contract agreement those of us who wish to benefit from God are bound by. Just as it makes no sense to be claim to be a part of a marriage, demand go be treated as such, this while living as though one has nothing to do with said marriage, it makes no sense to claim to be of God, expecting God to reward one, yet refusing to submit to the terms and conditions of the contract that is Jesus Christ.

Most Christians today live their lives as though God is a fool that ought to , in their disobedience, bow to their whims, and this because their hearts store up lies that decieve them away from doing the Truth of God, Jesus Christ. But be sure God is not mocked or fooled. If 2 billion refuse to obey Him - enter the Kingdom of God through the broad gate which leads tp destruction -, He will reject all 2 billion. After all, He already made it clear that only a few will find the Narrow gate which leads to True Life.

SouthMustBeFree:
Well sometimes ago during my early Christian years, I had encounter with heaven, hell and Jesus. It all happened at the judgement throne. It is a story for another day because it was terrifying, you can't see such and not believe there is God. But then of course what I have said might not be enough evidence to prove God existence to you but it is to me.

Said that, maybe I should point to you something I believe is much a proof. The things you see, the humans, the waters, the cloud with pillars, the weather etc all points to God existence. If not, then what is the force behind them? Do you think all things we see today came to existence all by themselves?

You had a dream? Anyone can dream doesn't make it real. As an atheist I dreamt of Jesus and I love that dream because Jesus showed me the way in it. Still doesn't make Jesus real.

SouthMustBeFree:
Sincerely I do appreciate all the comments coming in. This is not to argue whatsoever.

My brother argue. Argument proves that you are thinking and you do not want to be deceived. Also, Truth is Proven in and by Arguments.

So, think along and raise your queries.

SouthMustBeFree:
But the truth is, who is righteous if that is the exact criteria for God to help a man?

This is where I hate churches for passing on their own bad understanding when they did not know. (But you church goers, ought to think along too)

Now, you obviously have a terrible understanding of God, (which is why you are where you are now). The short answer is man is already in great trouble with God and the way man continues to go, his troubles with God must surely increase.

So the question is, do you want to continue being God's Enemy, for that is what you are and are making yourself.

And this is why I said you have many many things to learn before you can enjoy the Blessings of God.

SouthMustBeFree:
Who is righteous. Again, if righteousness is the criteria, does it now mean that God has never prospered anybody because even scripture says non is righteous and that our righteousness is as a filter rag before God.

Go and check all the peoples blessed by God, ARE YOU LIKE THEM?

You won’t be having this problem if you realize that god doesn’t exist and it’s up to you to tidy your finances.

I have been doing that for years and it’s working

MaxInDHouse:
These atheists and agnostics with their shallow thinking!
Let me enlighten you!
99.99999% of people having this your line of thought are greedy and selfish people who feels like asking God to do what they want for them but after going through so many religious rites and practices they discovered there is no response to their selfish cravings so they concluded that there's no one out there listening to their prayers therefore God doesn't exist.
That's the secret behind atheism and agnostism, whether you like it or not right thinking persons will forever continue to think about God and how to draw closer to Him!

How did you arrive at this figure of 99.999999%?

SouthMustBeFree:
Well, sometimes He acts like you are right.

But sincerely I believe He does exist. My only worry is His silence sometimes when His people call on Him.

Have you considered that you are not His person?

None of us here answer the requests of children who are not ours. That is how it works.

So of course to them, we do not exist and to us, they do not exist.

SouthMustBeFree:
OK. I have thought about it, but I also want you to think about this.

Is it too much to trust God for money to pay bills and to feed even when he told us to put our trust in Him? Do you know how many Christians who are suffering like there is no God anywhere? To eat well is problem, no money for house rent, children are out of school, some are sick yet no money to buy drugs.

I understand that our calling is not unto wealth but unto eternal life, but aren't we going to eat before the eternal life?

As I said, no one will pay the bills or buy drugs for children of strangers.

MaxInDHouse:
These atheists and agnostics with their shallow thinking!
Let me enlighten you!
99.99999% of people having this your line of thought are greedy and selfish people who feels like asking God to do what they want for them but after going through so many religious rites and practices they discovered there is no response to their selfish cravings so they concluded that there's no one out there listening to their prayers therefore God doesn't exist.
That's the secret behind atheism and agnostism, whether you like it or not right thinking persons will forever continue to think about God and how to draw closer to Him!

In this case, it 100%!

The Stupid things think that God is their Genie and juju in their bedrooms.

Very very stupid people indeed.

Ayo081:
Oh say whatever,

My God is Jehovah and your God?

My God is the God of budaatum.

Dtruthspeaker:
Have you considered that you are not His person?

None of us here answer the requests of children who are not ours. That is how it works.

So of course to them, we do not exist and to us, they do not exist.

Really? You don't help strangers in direct contradiction of your bible?

LordReed:
Really? You don't help strangers in direct contradiction of your bible?

Everyone knows that rendering assistance to strangers is not the same as having an obligation to guarantee their good well being.

Help and Assistance to strangers are Always fleeting, light and irregular!

Dtruthspeaker:
Everyone knows that rendering assistance to strangers is not the same as having an obligation to guarantee their good well being.

Help and Assistance to strangers are Always fleeting, light and irregular!

LoL! You said you don't answer requests of those who are not your children but now you are backtracking. Why do you use absolutes you can't defend.

LordReed:
LoL! You said you don't answer requests of those who are not your children but now you are backtracking. Why do you use absolutes you can't defend.

In social discuss of an ordinary nature the parties are generally aware of all the facts which surrounds the discussion which is why you are the anomaly asking what is already known.

Dtruthspeaker:
In social discuss of an ordinary nature the parties are generally aware of all the facts which surrounds the discussion which is why you are the anomaly asking what is already known.

If it was already known then you won't try to use it as a point.

LordReed:
If it was already known then you won't try to use it as a point.

Because it is already known then it is a point to be used to juggle rememberance.

Dtruthspeaker:
Because it is already known then it is a point to be used to juggle rememberance.

No because then you'd remember that the possibility of exceptions would have refrained you from making such a statement.

LordReed:
No because then you'd remember that the possibility of exceptions would have refrained you from making such a statement.

Exceptions only come to life when the case demands it. And in this case it is you who demands it, not the case.

Dtruthspeaker:
Exceptions only come to life when the case demands it. And in this case it is you who demands it, not the case.

You made an absolute statement knowing full well that it is not true. Do I need to demand truth from you, you can't be truthful on your own?

Dtruthspeaker:
Everyone knows that rendering assistance to strangers is not the same as having an obligation to guarantee their good well being.

Help and Assistance to strangers are Always fleeting, light and irregular!

What is help?

LordReed:
You made an absolute statement knowing full well that it is not true. Do I need to demand truth from you, you can't be truthful on your own?

CHANGE OF POST! Now you have run from looking for "exceptions" and "not answering strangers" to Absolute Truth, You are just running all over the place.

I declared A Natural Truth that is known by all. No man is obligated neither does he obligate himself to regularly provide house, food, clothes, protection to STRANGERS.

NO ONE DOES IT, NOT EVEN YOU!

SO NO ROAD!

Dtruthspeaker:
CHANGE OF POST! Now you have run from looking for "exceptions" and "not answering strangers" to Absolute Truth, You are just running all over the place.

I declared A Natural Truth that is known by all. No man is obligated neither does he obligate himself to regularly provide house, food, clothes, protection to STRANGERS.

NO ONE DOES IT, NOT EVEN YOU!

SO NO ROAD!

You said nothing about regularly provide house, food, clothes, protection. Your categorical statement was "None of us here answer the requests of children who are not ours. That is how it works."