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Kobojunkie:
Wait... Paul studied where for 13 years?
I was under the impression that he took about 3.5 to 7 years before he began proper preaching of the gospel.

I was shocked when I first heard it on a YouTube channel

I was sorry that I started talking about Christ instead of studying Christ.

Wonder why I keep telling you Paul's words are not mere words

What about you? Are you called?

Ayo081:
I was shocked when I first heard it on a YouTube channel

I was sorry that I started talking about Christ instead of studying Christ.

Wonder why I keep telling you Paul's words are not mere words

You are telling me Paul's words are not mere words because you heard on YouTube that Paul studied somewhere for 13 years?

The other disciples studied under Jesus Christ for 3- 4 years and even their word is not gold. What makes you think Paul's word should be?

Look, until you find God as your one and only Teacher. You will continue to be tossed around by the words and ideas of men instead of Jesus Christ.

Ayo081:
This is what I have
How's it the same with your post?

The spirit is calling everyone so how it's calling is what we need to figure out not expecting to hear special invitation!

Kobojunkie:
You are telling me Paul's words are not mere words because you heard on YouTube that Paul studied somewhere for 13 years?

The other disciples studied under Jesus Christ for 3- 4 years and even their word is not gold. What makes you think Paul's word should be?

Look, until you find God as your one and only Teacher. You will continue to be tossed around by the words and ideas of men instead of Jesus Christ.

Paul is not my saviour I didn't say so

I only glorify God over his life and how he yielded to the Holy Spirit thus bearing much fruit of the Spirit that I can learn from.

After all, Christ said teach them things I have commanded. Paul's contribution to shaping the life of God's people during the time of trials and how he suffered so much for Christ serving as an example unto those who were once gentiles and those circumcised is no joke.

Paul is a teacher!

Ayo081:
Yes He gave a little intro about it in Galatians 1


https://john.do/st-paul-and-14-years-of-preparation/

https://dwellcc.org/learning/essays/chronological-study-pauls-ministry

Do more research about it.

So, God don't discipline those who disobey Him or those who refused to do His will on earth? That's what u mean?

Mercychen:
What about you? Are you called?

By His grace, I'm.

Ayo081:
Paul is not my saviour I didn't say so

I only glorify God over his life and how he yielded to the Holy Spirit thus bearing much fruit of the Spirit that I can learn from.

After all, Christ said teach them things I have commanded. Paul's contribution to shaping the life of God's people during the time of trials and how he suffered so much for Christ serving as an example unto those who were once gentiles and those circumcised is no joke.

Paul is a teacher!

In the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ declared that He alone is the only Teacher/Rabbi/Master. So if Paul is instead your teacher, I am afraid that means you serve another master.

The same command which was given to Paul is given to each and everyone who is called to Jesus Christ and that is to go into the world - of both Gentiles and Jews - and teach the Gospel to those who do not believe. That Paul's letters to those he worked with are contained in your Bible does not any way put him above Jesus Christ or any of the other followers. Paul simply happened to have had more of his letters published in your Bible is all.

The disciple Andrew is written of a traveling to teach the Gospel to some in Georgia and Asia where he was supposedly murdered.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jerryblount.com/2018/09/16/how-the-twelve-disciples-died/amp/


Giving glory to Paul is akin to deify-ing him this when the contribution is what gave the most rise to what is status of Christianity today. If Christians had stayed focused on Jesus Christ, rather than distracting themselves with the many tales of Paul, Christianity wouldn't be as muddled up as it is today.

Truvelisback:
So, God don't discipline those who disobey Him or those who refused to do His will on earth? That's what u mean?

If you traced back the thread, you'll know why I posted is because it is more important to know the mission of Christ than just say one is called.

Kobojunkie:
In the Kingdom of God, Jesus Christ declared that He alone is the only Teacher/Rabbi/Master. So if Paul is instead your teacher, I am afraid that means you serve another master.

The same command which was given to Paul is given to each and everyone who is called to Jesus Christ and that is to go into the world - of both Gentiles and Jews - and teach the Gospel to those who do not believe. That Paul's letters to those he worked with are contained in your Bible does not any way put him above Jesus Christ or any of the other followers. Paul simply happened to have had more of his letters published in your Bible is all.

The disciple Andrew is written of a traveling to teach the Gospel to some in Georgia and Asia where he was supposedly murdered.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/jerryblount.com/2018/09/16/how-the-twelve-disciples-died/amp/


Giving glory to Paul is akin to deify-ing him this when the contribution is what gave the most rise to what is status of Christianity today. If Christians had stayed focused on Jesus Christ, rather than distracting themselves with the many tales of Paul, Christianity wouldn't be as muddled up as it is today.

Did I ever mentioned that my eyes aren't fixed on Christ?

Did Paul's teaching go contrary to fixing one's eye on Christ?

Did Paul help us to understand the mystery of the death of Christ or he neglected Christ and preached himself?

What and why did Christ send the disciples to go make disciples of all nations?

To go teach about his death and resurrection or something else in what I've been posting?

Ayo081:
If you traced back the thread, you'll know why I posted is because it is more important to know the mission of Christ than just say one is called.

U talking out of point. I'm talking abt the call of God into ministry not abt knowing the mission of Christ. A person may know the mission of Christ and yet disobey or refused to follow it.

Ayo081:
1. Did I ever mentioned that my eyes aren't fixed on Christ?

2. Did Paul's teaching go contrary to fixing one's eye on Christ?

3. Did Paul help us to understand the mystery of the death of Christ or he neglected Christ and preached himself?

4. What and why did Christ send the disciples to go make disciples of all nations?

5. To go teach about his death and resurrection or something else in what I've been posting?

1. You can't believe Paul over Jesus Christ, and still claim you submit to and obey only Jesus Christ.

2. Paul's teachings on several issues indeed run contrary to Jesus Christ's teachings. Hence, even though He does state several times to stand on Jesus Christ, his other teachings contract this call of his.

3. What Paul wrote is NOT the mystery of Jesus Christ's death at all. Instead it is an idea supposedly espoused by him. The writings in the Gospels do not corroborate some of his assertions.

4. Jesus Christ gave us all a law like any of the other laws in the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God and this to teach the world - unbelievers aka the unsaved. Everyone of Paul's letters are not directed at unbelievers but instead includes attempts at teaching those who are saved - who have already entered into the Kingdom of God and are meant to be under the tutelage of Jesus Christ alone of Jesus Christ - this is against Jesus Christ.

5. Jesus Christ did not send us out to teach saved individuals of his death and resurrection. He instead send up to preach the Gospels to those unsaved , baptizing those who believe and are saved. He didn't then tell or authorize anyone to then install themselves as teachers to them afterwards.

Again, in the Kingdom of God, God alone is Teacher, and this is one of the major differences between the Old and New Covenants. In the Old Covenant, God gave the everyone in Israel the responsibly of teaching His Law to their neighbors and the Levites the right/authority to make certain it is enforced. And as all things humans go, God's business was hijacked by men who installed themselves as rulers, managers of God's information and they taught the doctrines and traditions of men, their ideas, instead of God's Law.

In the New agreement, God installed Himself as Teacher - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

Truvelisback:
By His grace, I'm.

More like your personal delusion!

Truvelisback:
So, God don't discipline those who disobey Him or those who refused to do His will on earth? That's what u mean?

God doesn't do that in the New Covenant!

Read what Jesus Christ told you. He didn't come to condemn but to save. His Judgement of those are of His Kingdom will not take place until after He returns.

It is for those of the Old Covenant, those of the blood of Jacob whose place of habitation is here in this world - the land of Canaan - that God declared that He would avenge their enemies and punish those who refuse to obey His commandments.

Truvelisback:
U talking out of point. I'm talking abt the call of God into ministry not abt knowing the mission of Christ. A person may know the mission of Christ and yet disobey or refused to follow it.

You're not in point

A person may be called and ended up being a false prophet

Kobojunkie:
1. You can't believe Paul over Jesus Christ, and still claim you submit to and obey only Jesus Christ.

2. Paul's teachings on several issues indeed run contrary to Jesus Christ's teachings. Hence, even though He does state several times to stand on Jesus Christ, his other teachings contract this call of his.

3. What Paul wrote is NOT the mystery of Jesus Christ's death at all. Instead it is an idea supposedly espoused by him. The writings in the Gospels do not corroborate some of his assertions.

4. Jesus Christ gave us all a law like any of the other laws in the New Covenant Law of the Kingdom of God and this to teach the world - unbelievers aka the unsaved. Everyone of Paul's letters are not directed at unbelievers but instead includes attempts at teaching those who are saved - who have already entered into the Kingdom of God and are meant to be under the tutelage of Jesus Christ alone of Jesus Christ - this is against Jesus Christ.

5. Jesus Christ did not send us out to teach saved individuals of his death and resurrection. He instead send up to preach the Gospels to those unsaved , baptizing those who believe and are saved. He didn't then tell or authorize anyone to then install themselves as teachers to them afterwards.

Again, in the Kingdom of God, God alone is Teacher, and this is one of the major differences between the Old and New Covenants. In the Old Covenant, God gave the everyone in Israel the responsibly of teaching His Law to their neighbors and the Levites the right/authority to make certain it is enforced. And as all things humans go, God's business was hijacked by men who installed themselves as rulers, managers of God's information and they taught the doctrines and traditions of men, their ideas, instead of God's Law.

In the New agreement, God installed Himself as Teacher - Jeremiah 31 vs 31 - 34

I fear you're in error

Kobojunkie:
God doesn't do that in the New Covenant!

Read what Jesus Christ told you. He didn't come to condemn but to save. His Judgement of those are of His Kingdom will not take place until after He returns.

It is for those of the Old Covenant, those of the blood of Jacob whose place of habitation is here in this world - the land of Canaan - that God declared that He would avenge their enemies and punish those who refuse to obey His commandments.

God doesn't do that in the new testaments.

Kobojunkie:
More like your personal delusion!

U are free to say whatever u like.

Jesus is the spirit God is using to invite everyone to God's Kingdom, he commissioned this wonderful program when he first visited the earth bodily, he arranged few persons as they were going from house to house and door to door, that was how he did it.
The last person Jesus invited to the ministry as a spirit person was Saul (later became Paul) Jesus never invited a non-Isrealites directly his program was for Israelites to be the first fruit of God's kingdom and that's what he did.
What is expected of the Christians is to continue expanding the program until the whole earth has been reached with the Good News of God's kingdom. Matthew 24:14; Act 1:8
So if anyone is hearing any kind of voice from the spirit world then it must be demons not Jesus because Jesus never ever had a direct dealing with non-Isrealites {Matthew 10:6; 15:24} that is the truth but people are thinking this program has changed so that the same Jesus will now start calling people of other nations directly to come and worship him, well it's a lie from fallen angels so let such voices be CURSED! Galatians 1:8

Truvelisback:
God doesn't do that in the new testaments.

Well, why don't you find for us where it is written as part of your New Covenant promise from God, that Jesus Christ will judge and condemn your enemies in this life.

Find for us examples where God judged even one of those who killed believers for living for Jesus Christ.

Show us an example of God's wrath against the enemies of Christianity in scripture so we can see where your understanding of this in New Covenant comes from.

Ayo081:
I fear you're in error

I am waiting for you to make clear this error you claim.

Kobojunkie:
Well, why don't you find for us where it has written as part of your New Covenant, that Jesus Christ will judge and condemn your enemies.

Find for us where it is stated that God judged any of those who killed those who believed in Jesus Christ.

So, God doesn't chasetise His children when they do wrong?

Truvelisback:
So, God doesn't chasetise His children when they do wrong?

Those who refuse to obey God are not of God but of the devil to begin with. Jesus Christ explained this severally in His teachings when He said that those who belong to Him are those who keep His commandments.

Now, those who belong to the devil - their father is is devil- are cursed in the New Covenant and they continue in that cursed state until the either chose God as their Father or die.

Recall the parable or the wheat and tares where the wheat are good and tares are of evil?

When Peter sinned, did Jesus Christ punish Him or cast His out for it? All the sins that Judas committed against the group, how many of them where you told that he was chastised for?

Kobojunkie:
Those who refuse to obey God are not of God but of the devil to begin with. Jesus Christ explained this severally in His teachings when He said that those who belong to Him are those who keep His commandments.

Now, those who belong to the devil - their father is is devil- are cursed in the New Covenant and they continue in that cursed state until the either chose God as their Father or die.

Recall the parable or the wheat and tares where the wheat are good and tares are of evil?

When Peter sinned, did Jesus Christ punish Him or cast His out for it? All the sins that Judas committed against the group, how many of them where you told that he was chastised for?

I asked u a simple question that requires a simple anwser. Does God chasetise his children when they do wrong? Yes or No?

Truvelisback:
I asked u a simple question that requires a simple anwser. Does God chasetise his children when they do wrong? Yes or No?

And I answered you by again explaining how the New Covenant is not the Old Covenant.

Kobojunkie:
And I answered you by again explaining how the New Covenant is not the Old Covenant.

I just need a simple "Yes or No". Does God still chasetise his children?

Kobojunkie:
I am waiting for you to make clear this error you claim.

I said I fear

And I don't know how I can make it clear to you

At the end I pray God's peace and Grace continue to abound in you and I

Truvelisback:
I just need a simple "Yes or No". Does God still chasetise his children?

The answer again is there is no law in the New Covenant - except for the law on blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - that pronounces a direct and immediate consequence for disobedience even by those who are Sons of God.

Search the New Covenant for yourself- the 4 Gospels -to find such a law, be my guest.

God's goal in His New Covenant is in every way different from His Old Covenant. If you don't even know this then your journey in the direction of God hasn't even begun.

Ayo081:
I said I fear

And I don't know how I can make it clear to you

At the end I pray God's peace and Grace continue to abound in you and I

You fear I am in error but you don't know the error?

God is True and His Truth is absolute. Either you beleive God is or He lies.... He can't be both so you chose whether the Word of God is Truth or you need the words of men to prop Him up as God for you.

Kobojunkie:
The answer again is there is no law in the New Covenant - except for the law on blasphemy against the Holy Spirit - that pronounces a direct and immediate consequence for disobedience even by those who are Sons of God.

Search the New Covenant for yourself- the 4 Gospels -to find such a law, be my guest.

God's goal in His New Covenant is in every way different from His Old Covenant. If you don't even know this then your journey in the direction of God hasn't even begun.

I need a Yes or No.

Truvelisback:
I need a Yes or No.

What you need is Jesus Christ or you instead go back and fully the embrace the world fully.

Kobojunkie:
What you need is Jesus Christ or you instead go back and fully the embrace the world fully.

Thanks for letting me know that u don't know.