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But failing to speak against evil is support it in the other way.

IamWonderful:
Jesus is the Word of God and the 2nd in the trinity, without Jesus nothing was created, Jesus is Lord, the creator of mankind, The creator can call his creation anything

while on earth he a sort of dropped some of the powers.thats why he is the son of Man,the lowly servant,that's why he rode on a donkey (servant) to Jerusalem and not on a horse(king)
He will do that later on a great white horse

presidency:
He rarely speaks on things that do not have to do with the work of the Kingdom, which he is completely sold out to, and has been engrossed in for over 50 years. In fact, he exemplifies the words of the prophet that “he shall not strive, nor cry; neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.”

But someone stuck his fingers in the mouth of Pastor William Folorunsho Kumuyi, General Superintendent of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry, recently, and the man had to speak. He didn’t cry or strive, and “a bruised reed he did not break,” smoking flax he did not quench. But the cleric gave some home truths on what the attitude of a true Christian should be to secular government, particularly of his own country.

This was how it all happened. Professor Dapo Asaju, a cleric and academic, former Vice Chancellor of Ajayi Crowther University, had called out Pastor Kumuyi, and Pastor Enoch Adejare Adeboye, General Overseer of the Redeemed Christian Church of God (RCCG), telling them that it was not enough to just concentrate on their massive congregations, but that they must seek to meet President Muhammadu Buhari on the state of the nation, and tell him “enough is enough.”

Prof Asaju added: “All ministers of God must speak out...I (am) looking forward to Baba (Kumuyi) addressing a World Conference, with Baba Adeboye seated beside him. Let them call people and say enough is enough. They need to lead other people to convene a high-powered meeting with the President.” As if the two men of God had not met with the President at different times, where they counseled him, and prayed for the nation. They equally lead their congregations to do so, almost weekly.

If you read between the lines, the respected academic was vexed and exasperated with the security situation in the country, and its concomitant spin-offs. Who is not? Who will not be? Are things normal? Far from it. But is the government up and doing to turn things around for the people? Very much so. Then, is a subtle sponsoring of insurrection by ministers of God the next thing to do? Far from it. At least, for those who know the purpose of their call, and how they should comport themselves in a troubled polity. Like our Master, “a bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.” (Matthew 12:20).

Pastor Kumuyi last weekend responded to Prof Asaju through a statement titled ‘The Church and the Challenges of a Nation,’ which I recommend that all Christians should read, and which is also very instructive to non-Christians.

What is the purport and summary of what the Deeper Life G.S said? He noted that the concerns of Prof Asaju could not be dismissed, and the man must be seen as a patriot, but “at Deeper Christian Life Ministry, we are far more aware of the existential crossroads than many perceive.

“We present the Word of God as delivered in the Holy Bible, alright, but we warn that in the long run, the Lord is interested in a fusion of obedience to His Word and relating amicably with fellow human beings, regardless of class, color, caste (religion) or culture. We teach that if you genuinely believe in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power because they appear not to be delivering on electoral pledges such that you would go on the rampage, destroying government property or pilfering the public till. We teach a linear life of Christian walk: you can’t be a saint on Sunday and a monster on Monday.”

Profound. Earnest. Well said. Deep as in Deeper Life. Pastor Kumuyi, where have you been all our lives? Thank you, thank you for speaking out now. “If you genuinely believe in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power because they appear not to be delivering on electoral pledges such that you would go on the rampage, destroying government property...”

Profound, again I say, profound. But this is not what we hear from most preachers today. What we rather see is the pulpit being turned to a soapbox, where hatred is preached, where fake news is spread week after week, and where congregants are instigated against the leadership of the country. And I know what I am saying. I used to attend a church in Abuja from 2015 to 2018, till the pastor began to see himself as someone who must bring the Buhari government down. Sunday after Sunday, it was all sorts of criticism from the pulpit. But I endured, since it was branch of a church I had attended for over 30 years. Till one day, he overdid it. The Dapchi girls were abducted, and there was no name the pastor did not call President Buhari that Sunday. It was horrendous that such things could come from the pulpit. But I suffered long, and sat through the sermon, or rather, what was supposed to be a sermon. I then went home, wondering what the church of God was turning to.

If you recall, the Dapchi girls were recovered within a week, except for Leah Sharibu, and a few others. Awful, quite sad, but still there was cause for one to be thankful to God. So, the following Sunday, I went to that church, waiting to hear what the pastor would say, having excoriated and flagellated the government so badly the week before. I was dazed, nay, stunned. Throughout the sermon, not a word, not even a whisper about the recovered Dapchi girls. Bad faith. “If you are a genuine believer in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power...”

Pastor Kumuyi also says if you are a true believer in Christ, you wouldn’t go on the rampage, destroying government property.... But that was not what we saw in the country in October last year. The country was almost burned down under the subterfuge of EndSARS. And sadly, they were encouraged by pastors and preachers, who simply hate the fact that a Fulani man is their President. Many of them are on record as having encouraged the protesters, till things went ugly, turned awry. And the pastors vanished into the thin air. Not a word of caution or restraint as the cities were burning, and policemen were being killed, and even eaten up. “If you are a genuine believer in Christ, you wouldn’t...go on the rampage, destroying government property.”

Irrespective of the titles they bear, I hear Bishops, Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Evangelists, cursing the government, and issuing doomsday notices. One even said publicly that the Buhari administration was over, before the 2019 elections. But the man won handsomely, and that preacher still struts and frets on the pulpit every week, not repenting in sackcloth and ashes. “If you are a genuine believer in Christ, you wouldn’t hate your neighbor. Nor would you disdain those in power...” Thank you, Pastor Kumuyi.

Without sitting in judgment over anybody, I just believe that majority of our preachers need to be born again again. If what we hear them preach and teach is anything to go by, they need to be born again again. Otherwise, Heaven seems to be very far away. May God help us all. Amen.

In his reply to Professor Asaju (please get the full text, and read) Pastor Kumuyi gave many instances on how God has intervened in the situations and circumstances of humanity through the works of the Deeper Christian Life Ministry, both within and outside the country. He then concluded: “I see more of the Lord’s focus on attending to the challenges of our nation and the countries of the world. I see Him containing the conflicts confronting His people as we pray in the name of Jesus.”

And I say amen. A resounding amen. That is the balanced perspective, the approach of a true man of God. That is the ancient landmark, which we must not shift or remove. We must “earnestly contend for the faith, which was once delivered unto the saints” (Jude, verse 3). But some would say Kumuyi is of the old school. And I say yes, the old school is the real school, and remains ever faithful, ever sure.

*Adesina is Special Adviser to President Buhari on Media and Publicity

Femi Adesina deftly picked some of the words to Pastor Kumuyi and made it into a political statement and a piece to rally support for President Buhari. That was smart of him. Kumuyi typically will not delve into politics. He is cool and being careful of politicians and their antics. All the best to them all. 2023 is here

CSTR2:
I think the correct answer is that he has a lot of friends in this govt and doesn't want to offend them.
He invited osinbajo to his church a few times.

He is human too and open to bias.

It doesn't mean he won't make heaven.

I think you are wrong sir. Professor Osibanjo was invited on his capacity as the vice president during the opening of the Deeper Life cathedral at Gbagada. He was also invited to a crusade at Abuja, then at his (pastor Kumuyi's) book-launch in Lagos recently. Perhaps, the president was invited but he sent his vice to represent him. Besides the message of the gospel is for all - the elite and the masses, those in government and out of it. God's will is that all be saved. You really need to listen to pastor Kumuyi preach and teach. He hits the nail on the head so that anyone who is involved will repent. But he doesn't call names neither does he make it look like he is targeting a particular person.

The General Superintendent of the Deeper Life Bible Church, Pastor William Kumuyi has predicted that God will give President Muhammadu Buhari the solution to Nigeria’s many problems.

IamWonderful:
I don't normally reply mischievous and mentally weak that doesn't know their left from their right, below is what was written in the website you posted and tell me where did pastor Kumuyi mentioned buhari or anyone in government, sensational headlines are meant to attract myopic people of frail mind that couldn't decipher when they are lured to a trap like monkey“We talk of the hours of recession, difficulty, distress and all that, but God is granting us His promises. We are not going to carry over our problems,” Kumuyi said.
“We pray and believe that the Lord will answer.
“As you will see, as we get to the New Year, there is no carryover of our problems. God will give solutions to the problems of our lives, families, communities, the state and our nation”, he stated.
He also added that “God created us and wants everything to be sufficient for everybody”.

u are wicked just like buhari, u claimed is name wasn't mentioned meanwhile it's in the first paragraph of the online newspaper article but u can't see it because u're buhari's ass licker, set awon FFK, aka NLPoliceWoman

ma373733:
IF YOU DON'T SPEAK UP AGAINST EVIL YOU'RE SUPPORTING IT PERIOD!!

THERE'S NO NEUTRALITY!!

Elijah did it! Elisha did!

Isaiah did Jeremiah did
Jesus did same he was killed for saying the truth

No Christian should keep quiet when things are going bad in Thier country.

Don't hate but speak up!!

Christ debated with those guys then many times

Lobbish

Please sir you need to listen to pastor Kumuyi. His messages are broadcast on the internet every Sunday morning, Monday evening, Tuesday evening, Thursday evening and Saturday evening. A lot of his messages are online as I type. You will know that he speaks against evils of every kind to all classes of people.
Just hook up and listen. Thanks.

Thebigheart:
So the prophets of old like Elijah, Elisha and Nathan most especially that warn David about injustice are not from God.

I always said that posterity will judge this man and his generations yet unborn.

If God has a personal message for a man, he usually sends His prophets to the person concerned. Coming out in the public and lambasting a political leader cannot make him/her change, rather it causes unnecessary rift. Pastor Kumuyi has met some political leaders personally. I don't know what he discussed with them. That aside, Pastor Kumuyi is a holiness preacher. Yes, he preaches repentance to all sinners. Particularly, he wants his immediate congregation to be as holy as possible for the rapture or at death. So anything that will make us bitter about anybody is discouraged. The reality is that speaking against people especially political leaders has a way of engendering hatred and bitterness in our hearts which can hinder one from making heaven. Having said that, you need to listen to pastor Kumuyi's messages to know that he doesn't spare anybody but he doesn't have to be personal about it. Thank you.

nzeobi:
If you can't speak up then don't discourage others from speaking up

He has never discouraged anyone from speaking up!

Get your facts straight

Aufbauh:
t happened to me too, and it's very common in Abuja.
It's so demoralizing and discouraging listening to people you've held in high esteem in the Christendom spilling hate, inciting congregants to be lawless and so on.

Any church that spilled hatred from the pulpit against anyone or tribe, incite people against constituted authority, lump unfounded conspiracy theory to arouse sentiment, count me out.

The conviction i have had as a Christian is that of love and not of hate, for God is love. So anything outside this is heretical to me.

Sir, I just hope you are a Christian as you claim here. A lot of people, especially supporters of this current regime did a lot of evil speaking to former president Goodluck Jonathan. Some used the pulpit to preach against his government. That does not make it right anyway. Just saying that supporters of this current government, who abused former president Jonathan should not be the ones sermonizing about incitement against constituted authority.
Thank you.

DonBenny77:
Different indeed the one I knew was against having TV sets this one now appears on tv sets across the world

You are right sir. Pastor Kumuyi was against and is still against his members watching corrupting evils on TV but he is not against watching or listening to the gospel or Christian programs on TV. Thank you.

engrchykae:
Jesus said"tell that fox(Herod)that I do miracles today, tomorrow and the next"
You are no bible student,you just are survivor,I see survivor instincts all over your post.
A coward

Sir, what happened here was that somebody brought a threat from Herod to Jesus in the open when He had not finished His earthly ministry. Jesus had to send a reply in the open. Similarly, if there were to be an open threat to pastor Kumuyi or his ministry from any of the political leaders, then you will hear his response. I believe he will not resort to insults or abuses, but his reply will be epic. Thank you.

thebosstrevor1:
Imagine if Christians can obey what is written in the bible. The world will be a better place.

Those who went about to destroy people means of income during the endsar protest shouuld read this.

Does that mean that Muslims have nothing to read to make the world better?

othermen:
Using your platform to ask the presidency to awake to its responsibilities in providing security or development relevant to the people's need is not disdaining or hating those in power. Using your platform to remind the presidency of its promises during the election and how much it has failed in fulfilling the promises is not disdaining or hating those in power.

Not doing so, is hating the downtrodden and the people who cannot afford the lives of splendour that you live. It's hating those who cannot afford the private jets that you have or the armed guards that you possess, it's condemning them to death by bandits.

Jesus Christ spoke to power, and he was on the blacklist of several authorities(political and religious authorities) in his time, and he was eventually executed in a brutal manner because of his actions and words.

He denounced religious authorities (the pharisees), he overturned the temple that has become a money making venture, he sheltered prostitutes.

Speaking up to the presidency or urging the presidency to remember the downtrodden is an act of love, rebuking the presidency for not doing enough to protect Nigerians is not disdaining or hating the presidency, but an act of love for those who are most susceptible to murder and kidnap, which is the rest of us.

It's irresponsible to equate speaking out about corruption, weakening economy, insecurity and a load of cardinal others, it's irresponsible and an evidence of depravity or bereavement of compassion- to equate such to hatred.

Christ also had hatred within him; Christ had hatred for injustice, Christ had hatred for sin... but he only had love for the sinners and the downtrodden. But our bishops do not seek to follow the footsteps of Christ. They want to be in the good books of the authorities, they are scared that if they speak out, they may be investigated and their financial improprieties exposed, they are afraid if they defend the downtrodden, the positions of power they hold may be withdrawn; it would seem the positions of power is not from Christ, that they would abandon Christ teachings in order to be legitimised by a corrupt and inefficient, 'murderous' administration.

When Jesus told us to give to Ceaser what is Ceaser's due, he meant that we should fulfil our civic duties or responsibilities as good citizens. And what greater civic duty can we have than speaking out when we see many murdered by the cops in extra-judicial killings, when we see many suffering and hungry, when our roads are highways to hell... what greater civic duty can we have than speaking out, than by admonishing this administration to awake to its duties?

Apostle Paul in Romans 13: 7 wrote, 'we must pay the administration what is owed'... and what is owed this administration is genuine truth, a conveyance of tiredness of the state of a nation in disarray....but of coz if the nation is not in disarray, and there is no poverty or hunger or unemployment or diseases, how many would be in this gigantic churches that don't care about them, but only their pockets?

It is upon the shoulders and back of those most displaced by the administration inefficiency that the foundations of several churches have turned. The poor is told to give all they have as offerings in order for Gods blessing, the bishops takes this, and live affluently ever after... while the poor remains unfortunate..., the bishop breaks bread with those that have caused the misfortune... so it will seem the Bishop also have an interest in the disarray state of the nation, because it is the source of their affluence. Most of the prayers in our churches would not be in a nation that has the right leadership and where things work.

May the spirit of Christ be in the Church.

Well written! So true!
God bless you.

FreedomfromtheT:
If God has a personal message for a man, he usually sends His prophets to the person concerned. Coming out in the public and lambasting a political leader cannot make him/her change, rather it causes unnecessary rift. Pastor Kumuyi has met some political leaders personally. I don't know what he discussed with them. That aside, Pastor Kumuyi is a holiness preacher. Yes, he preaches repentance to all sinners. Particularly, he wants his immediate
congregation to be as holy as possible for the rapture or at death. So anything that will make us bitter about anybody is discouraged. The reality is that speaking against people especially political leaders has a way of engendering hatred and bitterness in our hearts which can hinder one from making heaven. Having said that, you need to listen to pastor Kumuyi's messages to know that he doesn't spare anybody but he doesn't have to be personal about it. Thank you.

You why we are still likes this in this country?
You talk, they will tagged you that you talk too much, you're waiting until they put their fingers in kumuyi eye before he will talk abi?

FreedomfromtheT:
If God has a personal message for a man, he usually sends His prophets to the person concerned. Coming out in the public and lambasting a political leader cannot make him/her change, rather it causes unnecessary rift. Pastor Kumuyi has met some political leaders personally. I don't know what he discussed with them. That aside, Pastor Kumuyi is a holiness preacher. Yes, he preaches repentance to all sinners. Particularly, he wants his immediate
congregation to be as holy as possible for the rapture or at death. So anything that will make us bitter about anybody is discouraged. The reality is that speaking against people especially political leaders has a way of engendering hatred and bitterness in our hearts which can hinder one from making heaven. Having said that, you need to listen to pastor Kumuyi's messages to know that he doesn't spare anybody but he doesn't have to be personal about it. Thank you.

You see why we are still likes this in this country?
You talk, they will tagged you that you talk too much, you're waiting until they put their fingers in kumuyi eye before he will talk abi?

[quote author. And sadly, they were encouraged by pastors and preachers, who simply hate the fact that a Fulani man is their President.[/quote]Now with all thw romance that we saw among this men of God with Atiku, how true can we say you're right, when even right thinking fulani men has conceded that buhari has failed not just by bringing us economic woes but in acting the scripts for the massacring of citizens of this country by forei. Fulani invaders subtled hearders, while he moves to develop Niger

[quote author. And sadly, they were encouraged by pastors and preachers, who simply hate the fact that a Fulani man is their President.[/quote]Now with all the romance that we saw among this men of God with Atiku, how true can we say you're right, when even right thinking Fulani men has conceded that buhari has failed not just by bringing us economic woes but in acting the scripts for the massacring of citizens of this country by forei. Fulani invaders subtle herders, while he moves to develop Niger

othermen:
Jesus Christ spoke to power, and he was on the blacklist of several authorities(political and religious authorities) in his time, and he was eventually executed in a brutal manner because of his actions and words.

He denounced religious authorities (the pharisees), he overturned the temple that has become a money making venture, he sheltered prostitutes.

May the spirit of Christ be in the Church.

Jesus Christ did not spoke to any power as a matter of fact he tried as much as possible to avoid any interaction with them. When he was brought before Herod, he did not say a word. Before plate, he barely speak. When he was invited to the head of Roman soldier unit, he reluctantly did.

So where did you read that Jesus spoke against the government or authority.

The people he chased out of the temple were traders. The pharisees were just religious leaders who holds no administrative positions.

The High priest, the governor, the emperor (wicked Ceasar) Jesus did not at any point speak against them. Because doing so will cause an uprising and insurrection in the province of Judea which of cause has previously happened.

FreedomfromtheT:
Sir, I just hope you are a Christian as you claim here. A lot of people, especially supporters of this current regime did a lot of evil speaking to former president Goodluck Jonathan. Some used the pulpit to preach against his government. That does not make it right anyway. Just saying that supporters of this current government, who abused former president Jonathan should not be the ones sermonizing about incitement against constituted authority.
Thank you.

Give three examples of pastor who preached against GEJ administration.

IamWonderful:
So you comparing Jesus the Word that created the heavens and the earth with His servants and ministers of the Word

is Jesus not the standard that all Christians should follow?

FreedomfromtheT:
Sir, I just hope you are a Christian as you claim here. A lot of people, especially supporters of this current regime did a lot of evil speaking to former president Goodluck Jonathan. Some used the pulpit to preach against his government. That does not make it right anyway. Just saying that supporters of this current government, who abused former president Jonathan should not be the ones sermonizing about incitement against constituted authority.
Thank you.

If you're discerning enough you could tell whether I'm a Christian or not from my comment.

However it is instructive to accept that two wrongs can't make a right. We are equally admonished not to repay evil with evil whatsoever, for vengeance belongs to God.

Whois:
The General Superintendent of the Deeper Life Bible Church, Pastor William Kumuyi has predicted that God will give President Muhammadu Buhari the solution to Nigeria’s many problems.



u are wicked just like buhari, u claimed is name wasn't mentioned meanwhile it's in the first paragraph of the online newspaper article but u can't see it because u're buhari's ass licker, set awon FFK, aka NLPoliceWoman

Are you this feeble minded, are you blinded by hate or sentiment? can you even read and comprehend at all? were you taught reported speech and direct speech? you should have known if you are wise that reported speeches are put in quotes, the writer's opinion was the heading and the preamble to catch mischievous and mentally ill people, the reported speech is what was placed in quotes.

TheOgaBoss:
is Jesus not the standard that all Christians should follow?

Of course but there are some level of rebuke that Jesus Christ the creator of mankind can pronounce on mankind that you cannot, for example if you call someone a fool, you are in danger of hell but Jesus did as the LORD and GOD over all, Jesus is the standard measure for Christians but the way He relate with man as GOD, no man should try it not even the angels.

[quote author=IamWonderful post=107364733][/quote]Zombie doing what they do best. " Bla bla bla" in defense of promise and fail government. Initially zombie thought i got screenshot from struggling blogger then zombie changed argument to say online newspaper posted reported speech and you think you're doing me

Cc aka NLPoliceWoman

FreedomfromtheT:
Sir, what happened here was that somebody brought a threat from Herod to Jesus in the open when He had not finished His earthly ministry. Jesus had to send a reply in the open. Similarly, if there were to be an open threat to pastor Kumuyi or his ministry from any of the political leaders, then you will hear his response. I believe he will not resort to insults or abuses, but his reply will be epic. Thank you.

the prophets are supposed to act like check and balance on the kings.
If you think that John made mistake in confronting Herod on his brother's widow,then you are ignorant of the fact that John was simply living up to his office.
Samuel was always confronting Saul.
Nathan always confront David
Ahijah confronts Jeroboam.
Even in the new testament,John confronts Herod.
Who the hell is a president of a borrowing country like Nigeria?

Whois:
Zombie doing what they do best. " Bla bla bla" in defense of promise and fail government. Initially zombie thought i got screenshot from struggling blogger then zombie changed argument to say online newspaper posted reported speech and you think you're doing me

Cc aka NLPoliceWoman

All these for your father? that awful

On the pulpit, avoid what killed John the Baptist.
But after service, let's all head to wherever there's a public medium and scream out against Injustice.

IamWonderful:
All these for your father? that awful

What about your father

Ruggman:
Mr man JESUS spoke boldly and openly against the evil rulers, he condemned the scribes and pharisees and rulers of the council, the Sanhedrin for their wickedness and iniquity.

Any christian leader who is not doing that is not following Christ example.

People like archbishop Desmond tutu, Pope John Paul 11, cardinal Anthony okogie etc spoke out boldly and are good examples

Go and study your Bible very well. Those he criticise are religious leaders. He didn't say anything against ceaser. John Paul 11 and Tutu are not our example but Jesus christ.

thebosstrevor1:
Imagine if Christians can obey what is written in the bible. The world will be a better place.

Those who went about to destroy people means of income during the endsar protest shouuld read this.

Only Christians?? What of Muslims that started the problems?? It’s better u say all humanbeings practice their faith properly and honestly.