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BKayy:
You are welcome.

The oleku in brymo's track is Yoruba that means different thing entirely.

Now on the bolded, if Ndigbo in far away Abia and Imo can hear the Oluku/onuku that started in Northern Igboland, they could have heard about the series of mysterious invasions that contemporary Igala half baked historians are trying to make us believe.

All those things are lies. Like I said, if there was an invasion, I, you and other Igbo people would have known. The same goes to Bini that are also making theirs up where as in reality their influence stopped at Agbor.

I like how you analysed the etymology of the word, "oluku/Onuku".
Many adjectives in Igbo for attributing to the character of a person or group of people are usually derived from the character that best symbolises a particular people. Sometimes, it could even be a single event.

An example is "Okomoko"... Okomoko is a place/people in Etche and I think one other mmoghu (Umon) group.

Akunakuna (Akwunakwuna) are found close to Abia (Biase), although they are many of them in Cameroon etc.

Even in Abia state, they use to use, "onye Mbieri" when you do a childish act, but that's is going out of fashion.

SaintBishop:
Why are you not claiming them on Nairaland?

They are Ohaobu Ndoki, many of them claim Abia state and even run for positions in Abia state... 90% of them never agreed to the Akwa-Ibom tag and will never tell you they are from Akwa-Ibom, they will rather say they are from Abia state.

There is also an extention from the Arochukwu side too but I think it is just as a result of the expansion of the town.

However, there are villages like Ndi Okoro and Nkalu, deep inside Akwa Ibom

I think there are more Igbos in Cross River than Akwa-Ibom.

SlayerForever:
We are on it.

https://www.nairaland.com/5452599/ohaobu-igbo-community-akwa-ibom

SaintBishop:
Why are you not claiming them on Nairaland?

A thread was created some years ago. In real life though, most of them claim Abia state.

Ekealterego:
They are Ohaobu Ndoki, many of them claim Abia state and even run for positions in Abia state... 90% of them never agreed to the Akwa-Ibom tag and will never tell you they are from Akwa-Ibom, they will rather say they are from Abia state.

There is also an extention from the Arochukwu side too but I think it is just as a result of the expansion of the town.

However, there are villages like Ndi Okoro and Nkalu, deep inside Akwa Ibom

I think there are more Igbos in Cross River than Akwa-Ibom.

With what Ogbonna Okoro has revealed about the extent of Igboland into Kogi I will not be surprised if the same is the case in Akwa Ibom.

I hear there are Indigenous Yoruba Communities in Southern Niger State just after Jebba

Only Problem is the Yoruba Warlords told them over 150 years ago that if they are not willing

to relocate to the Jebba Area then they are on their own because the Niger River was where the Border

was at and they should just learn to live in Peace with the Nupe People if they were not moving

SlayerForever:
With what Ogbonna Okoro has revealed about the extent of Igboland into Kogi I will not be surprised if the same is the case in Akwa Ibom.

One time I was trying to contact a YouTuber and vlogger with many videos on the SE to expand him project into Benue and if it money is a problem, he could get some compensation if the YouTube views are not enough or even seek for funds... He accepted at first but got sick shortly after and stopped vlogging for a while.

Christistruth00:


I hear there are Indigenous Yoruba Communities in Southern Niger State just after Jebba

Only Problem is the Yoruba Warlords told them over 150 years ago that if they are not willing

to relocate to the Jebba Area then they are on their own because the Niger River was where the Border was at

What is now Nupe (Tappa) use to be Yoruba land or occupied by Yorubas at one time. Whether there were some people living there before the Yorubas arrived, that I don't know though.

Ekealterego:
What is now Nupe (Tappa) use to be Yoruba land or occupied by Yorubas at one time. Whether there were some people living there before the Yorubas arrived, that I don't know though.

This Tappa,
Does it extends to Kwara State?
I have a friend from Kwara who insists he is Tappa instead bof Yoruba.

Igbos are there own problem ..every deluded person wants to write history that is pleasant to his ears....!! Igala influence extended upto onitsha and that's a fact...I even read some place here where someone wrote igbos don't consider themselves equals with the igalas....I'm no igala myself but happened to do some deep field work there....all these stories been paraded here are just ridiculous....!! Yes there are intermarriage between the brothers communities but did those in kogi they claimed to be igbo ever refer to themselves as igbos...? You can't forcefully co-opt somebody into your enthinicity when the person thinks otherwise...!! The truth is the truth no matter what anybody say here...all we need in this country is peace and harmony instead of try hard to paint yourself superior to others....!! There nothing the igbo can do that any other tribes in this country can't do...!! What drive the igbo to think that they are smarter than other tribes is quest for wealth and greed to show off and oppress others which is lacking in other tribes cos they don't really care....simple...!! Look at what is happening in their nollywood drama industry and they want everybody to accept it as Nigerians film industry....!!

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Valkrie:
Igbos are there own problem ..every deluded person wants to write history that is pleasant to his ears....!! Igala influence extended upto onitsha and that's a fact...I even read some place here where someone wrote igbos don't consider themselves equals with the igalas....I'm no igala myself but happened to do some deep field work there....all these stories been paraded here are just ridiculous....!! Yes there are intermarriage between the brothers communities but did those in kogi they claimed to be igbo ever refer to themselves as igbos...? You can't forcefully co-opt somebody into your enthinicity when the person thinks otherwise...!! The truth is the truth no matter what anybody say here...all we need in this country is peace and harmony instead of try hard to paint yourself superior to others....!! There nothing the igbo can do that any other tribes in this country can't do...!! What drive the igbo to think that they are smarter than other tribes is quest for wealth and greed to show off and oppress others which is lacking in other tribes cos they don't really care....simple...!! Look at what is happening in their nollywood drama industry and they want everybody to accept it as Nigerians film industry....!!

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Thrash.

SlayerForever:
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Thrash.

Exactly just like the smoke you are selling to yourself....!! Keep dreaming in delusion bro....it is allowed...!!

Valkrie:
Exactly just like the smoke you are selling to yourself....!! Keep dreaming in delusion bro....it is allowed...!!

Okay. Will that be all?

BKayy:
You have the idea. Infact you are close but let me give you the full gist.
"onuku" came about as the way the Igala migrants, who are farmers at that time were calling themselves while romancing.
It is a corruption of the word "Oleku" which means "my love" in Igala language.

Like the old men explained to me. Such stupid way of expressing love or behaviour where the man will be behaving like someone lacking basic reasoning and be calling the other Oleku was totally strange to Ndigbo so they use the word to describe stupidity or someone with low reasoning.

Ndigbo never considered Igala as equal, even today. So all those spartan invasion stories are lies. Total fallacy. They never happened.

Just to shed a little more light.

1. Onuku has been explained
2. Onoja nwa Oboli (Onoja the son of Oboli). According to UMU NRI tales, Onoja was the last son of Eri who migrated to Idah. Oboli was Eri's second wife. As the last son, obviously his elder brothers which included Nri-Menri, Agulu and the others observed him in n his formative years when he acted silly, like lastborns do. The expression ONOJA NWA OBOLI, also became a way of saying that someone is silly or demented. Any UMU NRI man above the age of 70 is conversant with that expression. But it is phasing out in preference for the more widely used ONUKU.

But at some point, the Igalas started twisting this tale to the extent that they came up with a more militaristic view of ONOJA

As I wrote earlier on, Oboli was Eri's second wife, and Nneamaku was Eri's first wife

Igboid
Bkayy

CrownOfClay724:
This Tappa,
Does it extends to Kwara State?
I have a friend from Kwara who insists he is Tappa instead bof Yoruba.

Yes Far North Areas of Kwara

Ever heard of "Northern Igbo"? They will soon start claiming Maiduguri now...

BKayy:
First of all, there is nobody known as General Ajida. The few Igala people that came into Omambala areas came as farmers not warriors. The same can be said about Nsukka. They came and many never left.
Our ancestors accommodated those that stayed because of some stupid reasons known to them.

In modern age, the Igala people in their Igala land made up those stories to make themselves look though but in reality there was no invasion whatsoever into Igboland. That aside, what Ndigbo need to think of is the future instead of fooling themselves of one stupid peaceful nature status.

Technically, there is no single Igala land in Anambra. What we have is few Igala cluster in the farmlands of few communities in Northern most part of Anambra bordering Kogi. They have no village belonging to them. All they rely is to drag igbo aborigines of those communities into their tales who are trapped into it because they want to be seen as the mighty invaders that took a land instead of a meek powerless aborigines.
Most of those that say their ancestor is Igala in those communities are actually Igbo that want to partake in the fake brave stories.

I think the old age of being reasonable have passed. Modern Ndigbo need to think ahead. "Biri ka m biri" is Simply weakness. It is either you are taking or someone is taking from you.

I appreciate people like Ogbonnaya that are making the move to correct many things. It takes alot.
Having said that, we need to reconsider the stance of the Ọhaneze ndị whatever they call themselves on Igbo affairs. It is either they change their name or step aside for a more serious organisation that understands the game to take over. I don't know for some but Ọhaneze Ndigbo does not represent anything Igbo.

If one may ask, can anybody point out one thing Ọhaneze Ndigbo have achieved that will maintain the integrity of Igboland or ensure the future of the Igbo nation is safe since its inception?
Your guess is as good as mine. Absolutely Nothing

Wow... seems we are thinking along the same line. I just made a post on the Ohaneze issue and the fact that these men do not represent the core Igbo values. I'll mention you there.

BKayy:
And today they are claiming the same Nzam.
Honestly I've told people here before and will do it again. There is no single Igala village or community in Anambra.
None.
The whole land in Anambra belongs to Ndigbo.

We kept on entertaining lies and with time, they started passing as truth.

Just as all lands in kogi(those you say are IBO's ) are for the igalas

SaintBishop:
What about the Igbos in Akwa ibom?

No piece of Igbo land in Edo, Delta, Kogi, Benue, Rivers, AkwaCross, Bayelsa etc. will be ceded to zoogeria on the day of appointment.

Valkrie:
[s]Igbos are there own problem ..every deluded person wants to write history that is pleasant to his ears....!! Igala influence extended upto onitsha and that's a fact...I even read some place here where someone wrote igbos don't consider themselves equals with the igalas....I'm no igala myself but happened to do some deep field work there....all these stories been paraded here are just ridiculous....!! Yes there are intermarriage between the brothers communities but did those in kogi they claimed to be igbo ever refer to themselves as igbos...? You can't forcefully co-opt somebody into your enthinicity when the person thinks otherwise...!! The truth is the truth no matter what anybody say here...all we need in this country is peace and harmony instead of try hard to paint yourself superior to others....!! There nothing the igbo can do that any other tribes in this country can't do...!! What drive the igbo to think that they are smarter than other tribes is quest for wealth and greed to show off and oppress others which is lacking in other tribes cos they don't really care....simple...!! Look at what is happening in their nollywood drama industry and they want everybody to accept it as Nigerians film industry....!! [/s]

Absolute rubbish from a low iq individual. Go and check your brain for lead contamination.

Ekealterego:
I like how you analysed the etymology of the word, "oluku/Onuku".
Many adjectives in Igbo for attributing to the character of a person or group of people are usually derived from the character that best symbolises a particular people. Sometimes, it could even be a single event.

An example is "Okomoko"... Okomoko is a place/people in Etche and I think one other mmoghu (Umon) group.

Akunakuna (Akwunakwuna) are found close to Abia (Biase), although they are many of them in Cameroon etc.

Even in Abia state, they use to use, "onye Mbieri" when you do a childish act, but that's is going out of fashion.

I have heard the word “Okomoko” but I am not quite sure of the meaning. Does it perchance mean “stupid”?

Danjikanbauchi:
see me see wahala oooo, oya sorry stop crying, clean your tires,

Just retyped this your message without crying I guarantee you of this evening tuwon shinkafa da Miyan taushe, with a good kilishi.

why can you see his points?is every ipob a clown?how do think a multiethnic biafra is even posible now?

GodIsBiafran:
No piece of Igbo land in Edo, Delta, Kogi, Benue, Rivers, AkwaCross, Bayelsa etc. will be ceded to zoogeria on the day of appointment.

So what about the non igbos in the south east?
I'm talking about the likes of
Idoma and Wawa people in Enugu?
The Igalas people in Anambra?
The cross Rivers people in Ebony?
The ijaws in imo?
The Akwa iboms in Abia?
What makes you think that other tribe will allow you to add their people or their lands into your Biafra?

BKayy:
You have the idea. Infact you are close but let me give you the full gist.
"onuku" came about as the way the Igala migrants, who are farmers at that time were calling themselves while romancing.
It is a corruption of the word "Oleku" which means "my love" in Igala language.

Like the old men explained to me. Such stupid way of expressing love or behaviour where the man will be behaving like someone lacking basic reasoning and be calling the other Oleku was totally strange to Ndigbo so they use the word to describe stupidity or someone with low reasoning.

Ndigbo never considered Igala as equal, even today. So all those spartan invasion stories are lies. Total fallacy. They never happened.

onuku actualy means my friend in igala language

Phut:
I have heard the word “Okomoko” but I am not quite sure of the meaning. Does it perchance mean “stupid”?

pride/proud «

Igboid:
Interesting.
I just remembered the song "Oleku" by Ice prince.
Lol!
Thanks for the history lesson on evolution of Oluku/Onuku from Oleku.
Funny thing is that it is used as far as Abia and Imo state. Being parts of Igboland who had no interactions with Igala, yet Oluku/Onuku is used to refere to someone behaving in a stupid manner.
Very interesting.
More interesting is that in Anambra dialects where there is a replacement of L for N in words, as seen in Ana for Ala, Enu for Elu, the L in Oleku quickly changed to Onuku, while the Igbos in southern part who use L for N, despite having no contact with Igalas, ended up rechanging the Onuku they heard from Ndi ANAMBRA to Oluku, and by so doing ended up with a word closer to the original Oleku word than the Anambra people closer to Igala.

Language evolution is very interesting.

Actually, in both Igala and Yoruba languages, Oluku originally means 'Friend' but in certain social contexts the friend being referred to means 'friends with benefits' like Girlfriend or Woman-Friend.

Igboid:
Okay.
We need to do more to reteach our people there.
I don't understand this strong affinity by Igbos to claim exotic origin stories from kingdoms outside Igboland.
If it's not Igala, it's Bini, or it's far away Israel.

Someone needs to conduct a study on this mass induced self hate and need to get attached to perceived places of power (Monarchical societies in case of Bini and Igala) and modern power in terms of Israel.

It's very disturbing.
Imagine even Zik himself was inflicted with this same mental illness.

More often than not, the old stories (not the recently fabricated Jewish connections) are true. The reasons are many and related;

1) Pre-colonial African Kingdoms experienced unnecessary wars over virtually any matter from succession disputes to slave raiding to boundaries matters.

Great Monarchies used military force to subdued their neighbours.

2) These wars caused displacement of people, who naturally will prefer to move to peaceful areas.

3) The areas without strong Kingdoms like the present S/East were spared of these internecine wars in the era between 1600-1900 and was more peaceful, thus it served as the natural safe haven for people fleeing areas of conflicts.


This however doesn't diminish the greatness of Ndigbo.

Ekealterego:
pride/proud «

Oh ok, I get it. Iko = To swell. Okomoko = One who is swollen, as with pride. Thanks. I think I got it a little confused with Oko-oko.

Ekealterego:
What is now Nupe (Tappa) use to be Yoruba land or occupied by Yorubas at one time. Whether there were some people living there before the Yorubas arrived, that I don't know though.

Both Yoruba and Nupe have strong history of inter-relationship especially during the hey days of Oyo Empire.

Many notable elites in Old Oyo had Nupe Mothers/wives.

CrownOfClay724:
This Tappa,
Does it extends to Kwara State?
I have a friend from Kwara who insists he is Tappa instead bof Yoruba.

Yes, it extend to Kwara.


Tapa is Yoruba name for Nupe.

CrownOfClay724:
This Tappa,
Does it extends to Kwara State?
I have a friend from Kwara who insists he is Tappa instead bof Yoruba.

Most okun and kabba folks in Kogi insist they are not yoruba also... Seun my friend

Igbo historians need to be more open minded to accept historical facts than these feeble attempt to self aggrandisement.

Igala and Yorubas are very close and share histories. Oluku is actually a Yoruba word meaning friend in contemporary Yoruba. But in pure Ife Yoruba which interestingly is closer to Igala, it means concubines.

Meaning Igalas like Itshekiris speak original Yoruba being spoken in Ile-Ife

IkpuMmadu:
Most okun and kabba folks in Kogi insist they are not yoruba also... Seun my friend

I think the problem might not be unrelated to the fact that in the past, the people who spoke the "Yoruba" language were regarded as the "Akus" (From "Eku" because of their usual way of greeting).
This is before the creation of national and state boundaries.

Then, Ijebus (Jebous), Egbas, etc were regarded as separate from yorubas but under "Akus". Yoruba was the most numerous of all the "Akus"...
However, the lazy missionaries and subsequent colonialist just grouped all of them as "Yoruba".

Most groups like the Ijebus and Egbas rebelled against the Yoruba tag seriously for a very long time... I guess now, they are not as hostile towards the tag as in the past.

I can imagine why the Okuns will rebel against the Yoruba tag.