SuperSixSeven:


I believe the choppers would be for the NA Air Corp. The NAF like most Air Forces might not be too much interested in operating Combat helicopters at all. I would not be surprised if the NAF never going to get a full squadron of M-35.

İ agree. It is not airforce's work to be flying choppers anywhere this modern era.

youghs:


We need chopper but not cobras, it's too expensive.

The package is for 12 choppers, maybe 28 engines, Honeywell navigation avionics, lots of armaments and lifetime support. It is a super deal. One good combat helicopter is better than 15MBTs. Our deal is cheaper than what other countries got.

The alternative is MI28NE which is $480m without weapons, extra engines, maintenence support and Russians don't have APKWS.
We are getting 2000 APKWS with the cobras.

RiceProducers:

Cobra helicopter procurement is not rubbish. Nigeria has been presenting the request since GEJ era. PMB administration is rə presenting it again. Nigeria has the cash to pay for 12 Cobras over 2 years at N330bn.
Choppers are needed for Nigeria's peculiar security situation and we can't depend on a single supplier, Russia.
The Cobras last very long and they have long airframe fatigueife

N330bn

RiceProducers:


The alternative is MI28NE which is $480m without weapons, extra engines, maintenence support and Russians don't have APKWS.
We are getting 2000 APKWS with the cobras.

big wahala for Boko, ISWAP and Bandits gun trucks.

as long as the ashawo p------y sweet i no mind since you know me reach say i dey follow ladies who are suppose to be my daughters that mince that u too dey follow do the same thing na witch dey know witch fake person fakeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

JOSCOFELIX:
man ashawo how your life con be? i am good at mr know it all, but what are you good at..following lady who are suppose o be your daugther right? i have never being a fake person i am who i say i am.intelligence have being my life.

Gross

RiceProducers:


The package is for 12 choppers, maybe 28 engines, Honeywell navigation avionics, lots of armaments and lifetime support. It is a super deal. One good combat helicopter is better than 15MBTs. Our deal is cheaper than what other countries got.

The alternative is MI28NE which is $480m without weapons, extra engines, maintenence support and Russians don't have APKWS.
We are getting 2000 APKWS with the cobras.

The mere fact that you will have very limited freedom on the use of the helicopters makes the whole deal a stupid one.

Niger acquiring Hurkus turboprops, TB2 UAVs
Turkey will supply Hurkus turboprop light attack/trainer aircraft and Bayraktar TB2 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) as well as armoured vehicles to Niger, according to Turkish President Recep Erdogan.

https://www.defenceweb.co.za/aerospace/aerospace-aerospace/niger-acquiring-hurkus-trainers-tb2-uavs/

Whyem15:




The mere fact that you will have very limited freedom on the use of the helicopters makes the whole deal a stupid one.

My approach is always BEST VALUE and greatest IMPACT from very limited resources.

So l tend to look at things holistically not individually.

In this context what do we need the most ,is it over priced attack helicopters linked to expensive maintenance schedules , as well weapon systems and ammunition that is USA & NATO sourced STRICTLY.

I in the past have GIVEN a cost anylsis using certified NATO published data that shows how stupendously expensive the 25/30 mm ammunition is. Particularly in in comparison to Eastern block ammunition that can be sourced from multiple outlets ( even in Africa ) of at less than 10% of NATO cost.

My friends often say in Nigeria, it is not buying a Range Rover Vogue that is always the problem but MAINTAINING IT.

I watched how the NA cannabalised a HMG and stuck it on a BTR 4 in mish mash rudimentary way like road side mechanics ( kazeem).

Rendering the once excellent RWS with thermal imaging and night vision literally USELESS. This once near IFV becomes a tin box on wheels with a HMG attached to it. It's offensive superiority sacrificed on the alter of misguided thinking and ineptitude.

The RWS is probably armed with a 30mm ZТМ-1 automatic cannon, 212 ‘Barrier ATGM system, a 7.62mm MG and the KBA-117 30mm automatic grenade launcher.

I noticed that not surprisingly the BTR4 has fallen into enemy hands . I don't think we had more than 12.

It may seem like I digressed what l am saying can we maintain this over priced and unfamiliar USA attack helicopters and is it what we need now.

The war will be WON on the ground not in the air.

RiceProducers:


The package is for 12 choppers, maybe 28 engines, Honeywell navigation avionics, lots of armaments and lifetime support. It is a super deal. One good combat helicopter is better than 15MBTs. Our deal is cheaper than what other countries got.

The alternative is MI28NE which is $480m without weapons, extra engines, maintenence support and Russians don't have APKWS.
We are getting 2000 APKWS with the cobras.

There are alot of things we can do with $800 million dollars, US chopper is not one of them.
If the rumor is true then It's a total shame.
AH like the cobra is meant for fight against reasonably strong army and not those f**king scumbags.

The kinetic solutions to this war is not rocket science.

- DOCTRINE (reorganisation)
- MULTIPLE LOITERING DRONES
- ARMOURED TRANSPORT and FIGHTING VEHICLES
- INCREASED SF and INT USE
- ROUND THE CLOCK PRESSURE

All this is assuming corruption is low or medium-low and Governmental will is high.

We keep saying the same things over and over.

Give that 300 billion to Proforce. They can scale up and even give us IFV's. Export same to the sub-continent.

komekn:


My approach is always BEST VALUE and greatest IMPACT from very limited resources.

So l tend to look at things holistically not individually.

In this context what do we need the most ,is it over priced attack helicopters linked to expensive maintenance schedules , as well weapon systems and ammunition that is USA & NATO sourced STRICTLY.

I in the past have GIVEN a cost anylsis using certified NATO published data that shows how stupendously expensive the 25/30 mm ammunition is. Particularly in in comparison to Eastern block ammunition that can be sourced from multiple outlets ( even in Africa ) of at less than 10% of NATO cost.

My friends often say in Nigeria, it is not buying a Range Rover Vogue that is always the problem but MAINTAINING IT.

I watched how the NA cannabalised a HMG and stuck it on a BTR 4 in mish mash rudimentary way like road side mechanics ( kazeem).

Rendering the once excellent RWS with thermal imaging and night vision literally USELESS. This once near IFV becomes a tin box on wheels with a HMG attached to it. It's offensive superiority sacrificed on the alter of misguided thinking and ineptitude.

The RWS is probably armed with a 30mm ZТМ-1 automatic cannon, 212 ‘Barrier ATGM system, a 7.62mm MG and the KBA-117 30mm automatic grenade launcher.

I noticed that not surprisingly the BTR4 has fallen into enemy hands . I don't think we had more than 12.

It may seem like I digressed what l am saying can we maintain this over priced and unfamiliar USA attack helicopters and is it what we need now.

The war will be WON on the ground not in the air.

I think virtually everyone here will agree that the NAF, unlike the NA is quite responsible with maintenance, from a serviceability of less than 25% a few years ago to 75% right now.
The recent budget has shown that they aim to improve further on this with the maintenance of the super Pumas. Also, the Tucano deal included the cost of training technicians on maintaining the aircrafts and the cost of expatriate maintenance for a certain number of years. Operating and maintaining the aircrafts won't be a problem for NAF.
As for the shameful BTR case, the deal alongside a few other shameful deals were made by the office of the NSA and not the army. Though the army is also very corrupt and irresponsible with maintenance, recent trends shows that they are working to improve on this. The training of mechanics was included in the type 89 APC deal, this will significantly improve the lifespan of the APCs.

I agree that the war will be won on the ground, but giving the army air support will make it a lot easier to win the war. Attacks from the air will significantly weaken the enemy and reduce casualties the army will suffer.

The situation in the northwest requires the government to invest in well armored attack helicopters to strafe the enemies before troops move in to secure the victory.
However, this is only reasonable if it is the airforce that is investing in it and not the army. I am against the idea of the army having her own air arm equipped with attack helicopters when they are still heavily deficient in land capabilities. The army will benefit more from investing in artilleries, minesweepers, radars, communications equipment, armored vehicles and so on, when these other areas are well taken care of, they may then opt for their own air arm.

JackWolfskin:


Give that 300 billion to Proforce. They can scale up and even give us IFV's. Export same to the sub-continent.

At a time when the military is in urgent need of equipments, investing such amount in proforce is not so responsible,if the money belongs to the army, they should order the most cost effective land systems they can get their hands on anywhere in the world in large numbers. The country cannot afford to wait for local production at this time, the local defense industry will meet up later.
The airforce however needs helicopters, but not those they will only be allowed to use in some particular regions of the country and not for that price.

youghs:


There are alot of things we can do with $800 million dollars, US chopper is not one of them.
If the rumor is true then It's a total shame.
AH like the cobra is meant for fight against reasonably strong army and not those f**king scumbags.

The minister of defense made a statement sometimes ago, we are not arming just to fight boko haram, but external threats too.

Whyem15:



At a time when the military is in urgent need of equipments, investing such amount in proforce is not so responsible,if the money belongs to the army, they should order the most cost effective land systems they can get their hands on anywhere in the world in large numbers. The country cannot afford to wait for local production at this time, the local defense industry will meet up later.
The airforce however needs helicopters, but not those they will only be allowed to use in some particular regions of the country and not for that price.

I agree with you about the helicopters. However for armoured vehicles, let's go local. That's what i mean by 'Proforce'.

Government and private sector can produce 1 or 2 thousand per year.

Sizzorkay:
Gross

Nowadays, I see certian monikers, I just skip em and move to the next
You should try doing same.

youghs:


There are alot of things we can do with $800 million dollars, US chopper is not one of them.
If the rumor is true then It's a total shame.
AH like the cobra is meant for fight against reasonably strong army and not those f**king scumbags.

In that case wouldn't you agree it a good buy since it's caters for both present(BH) and future threats (strong enemy) and thus serve as force deterrence, multiplier and projection to our neighbors.

Whyem15:



At a time when the military is in urgent need of equipments, investing such amount in proforce is not so responsible,if the money belongs to the army, they should order the most cost effective land systems they can get their hands on anywhere in the world in large numbers. The country cannot afford to wait for local production at this time, the local defense industry will meet up later.
The airforce however needs helicopters, but not those they will only be allowed to use in some particular regions of the country and not for that price.

This is not an issue, we simply send the Mi family to other regions cobras can't operate...

JackWolfskin:


I agree with you about the helicopters. However for armoured vehicles, let's go local. That's what i mean by 'Proforce'.

Government and private sector can produce 1 or 2 thousand per year.

Proforce has no XP in building IFV, the mraps ordered from proforce haven't been delivered, their production line is slow and that is understandable.
So why spend money to acquire mrap that will take forever to deliver when there are reputable manufacturers who either have them ready or could produce and deliver at alarming rates...

$800 million for helicopters that first saw use during the Vietnam war? When I say it's lack of sense we have and not lack of money I don't always expect the Nigerian state to bend over backwards to prove me right.
At this rate, we will soon buy a flying aircraft carrier for $50 billion and call it a good deal.

GabrielYulaw:
$800 million for helicopters that first saw use during the Vietnam war? When I say it's lack of sense we have and not lack of money I don't always expect the Nigerian state to bend over backwards to prove me right.
At this rate, we will soon buy a flying aircraft carrier for $50 billion and call it a good deal.

It's probably AH-1z viper which production started in 2000

GeneralFarouq:

In that case wouldn't you agree it a good buy since it's caters for both present(BH) and future threats (strong enemy) and thus serve as force deterrence, multiplier and projection to our neighbors.

An attack helicopter is not a Force deterrence man. Just a multiplier

youghs:


There are alot of things we can do with $800 million dollars, US chopper is not one of them.
If the rumor is true then It's a total shame.
AH like the cobra is meant for fight against reasonably strong army and not those f**king scumbags.

Agreed without question

youghs:


It's probably AH-1z viper which production started in 2000

$800 million no be beans. If we are so intent on buying American equipment that will come with pre-conditions as to their use, at least let's buy good stuff like the Apache. The AH64D is $50-60 million apiece if I remember correctly and is far superior to that viper or green centipede you are talking about.
That $800 million fit buy 150-200 AH-6 Little Bird choppers, with enough left over to buy a couple hundred Chinese or Turkish drones equipped for surveillance purposes and enough left over to pay Russia to turn 100-200 of their T-72s into heavy IFVs that will send the Boko boys running.

I would like to throw the question, what would you
do with $800 million.

Considering our multiple challenges and if we are to be honest we are FAILING .Our armed forces are completely overwhelmed and over stretched.

GabrielYulaw:


$800 million no be beans. If we are so intent on buying American equipment that will come with pre-conditions as to their use, at least let's buy good stuff like the Apache. The AH64D is $50-60 million apiece if I remember correctly and is far superior to that viper or green centipede you are talking about.
That $800 million fit buy 150-200 AH-6 Little Bird choppers, with enough left over to buy a couple hundred Chinese or Turkish drones equipped for surveillance purposes and enough left over to pay Russia to turn 100-200 of their T-72s into heavy IFVs that will send the Boko boys running.

After sharing all the monies to buy all these listed inventories...how much would remain for the ogas at the top and their boys to chop....?

Our major problem in this country is corruption and not just anyhow corruption but corruption on an industrial scale......simple....!!!

Valkrie:


After sharing all the monies to buy all these listed inventories...how much would remain for the ogas at the top and their boys to chop....?

Our major problem in this country is corruption and not just anyhow corruption but corruption on an industrial scale......simple....!!!

man need wack abi?

“Government condemns the murder of a soldier by the so called unknown gunmen. Certainly, this soldier who was on a legitimate duty to ensure free flow of traffic and to protect lives and property on this fafeful Monday of November 22nd, did not deserve to die such a gruesome death. “On the other hand, Government deprecates reports of wanton destruction of property visited on the community by aggrieved soldiers. The indiscriminate burning of residential and businesses premises of innocent citizens was not an appropriate response since two wrongs will never make a right. Government has good reasons to believe that there is more to the sad event than meets the eyes.

https://abacityblog.com/gov-hope-uzodinma-reacts-to-killing-of-soldier-destruction-of-properties-in-awo-omamma/

https://www.bbc.com/igbo/afirika-59380300

The Nigerian Army needs to start operating like a Professional Army, operating like this have never sent any message to any group. It just leads to more violence which might consume Nigeria on the long run.

When person talk the truth say Nigeria Army operate like Boko Haram, people go dey wail.

I'm waiting for the military denial of this.

DubaiLandLord1:
“Government condemns the murder of a soldier by the so called unknown gunmen. Certainly, this soldier who was on a legitimate duty to ensure free flow of traffic and to protect lives and property on this fafeful Monday of November 22nd, did not deserve to die such a gruesome death. “On the other hand, Government deprecates reports of wanton destruction of property visited on the community by aggrieved soldiers. The indiscriminate burning of residential and businesses premises of innocent citizens was not an appropriate response since two wrongs will never make a right. Government has good reasons to believe that there is more to the sad event than meets the eyes.

https://abacityblog.com/gov-hope-uzodinma-reacts-to-killing-of-soldier-destruction-of-properties-in-awo-omamma/

https://www.bbc.com/igbo/afirika-59380300

The Nigerian Army needs to start operating like a Professional Army, operating like this have never sent any message to any group. It just leads to more violence which might consume Nigeria on the long run.

When person talk the truth say Nigeria Army operate like Boko Haram, people go dey wail.

I'm waiting for the military denial of this.

They have since released a statement to that effect and characteristic of them denied that they were behind the destruction and mayhem.

GabrielYulaw:


$800 million no be beans. If we are so intent on buying American equipment that will come with pre-conditions as to their use, at least let's buy good stuff like the Apache. The AH64D is $50-60 million apiece if I remember correctly and is far superior to that viper or green centipede you are talking about.
That $800 million fit buy 150-200 AH-6 Little Bird choppers, with enough left over to buy a couple hundred Chinese or Turkish drones equipped for surveillance purposes and enough left over to pay Russia to turn 100-200 of their T-72s into heavy IFVs that will send the Boko boys running.

Americans will never sell the Apache helicopter to a country like Nigeria with hoardes of records of human rights abuses at best getting that equipment is wishful thinking until the military work on their professionalism.

Hoverbird:

Americans will never sell the Apache helicopter to a country like Nigeria with hoardes of records of human rights abuses at best getting that equipment is wishful thinking until the military work on their professionalism.

human rights abuses you say?
That is just a tool used in punishing governments that are poor and not submissive to Washington. Say Nigeria has an annual defense budget of $10 billion and the military was willing to splash it all on overpriced American weapons, you honestly think they will not grab the deal because of "human rights abuses" and allow you turn to other countries?
Just indicate that you are ready to buy two squadrons of the Apache at about $2.5 billion and the extreme lawmakers will be having a very difficult time stopping the deal because of human rights.
The companies involved in the manufacturing of the components of these systems will not allow the lawmakers whose campaigns they sponsored rest until they approve the deal.
But when you're u are buying in twos and fours, no one will take you seriously.

Whyem15:



human rights abuses you say?
That is just a tool used in punishing governments that are poor and not submissive to Washington. Say Nigeria has an annual defense budget of $10 billion and the military was willing to splash it all on overpriced American weapons, you honestly think they will not grab the deal because of "human rights abuses" and allow you turn to other countries?
Just indicate that you are ready to buy two squadrons of the Apache at about $2.5 billion and the extreme lawmakers will be having a very difficult time stopping the deal because of human rights.
The companies involved in the manufacturing of the components of these systems will not allow the lawmakers whose campaigns they sponsored rest until they approve the deal.
But when you're u are buying in twos and fours, no one will take you seriously.

I wander why this companies could not stop the US Govt from blocking the sales of the F35 to Turkey just because Turkey wanted to buy the Triumf.

The Turkish wanted to buy about 100 F35, but just because Turkey wan buy the Growler the deal was cancelled.

USA get plenty rich customers, dem fit decide to sell or not, no matter how rich you're.