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Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by jmoore(m): 8:01pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
ifyken:Google won't teach you critical thinking. You didn't answer the main question. Did you avoid it or it is above your comprehension? Address the infinite retrogression BTW, speculation/assumption is not a fact or proof. It is like a novice saying that Iphone 13 evolved from Nokia 3310. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by chinasaekpere: 8:02pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
Ok sagenaija:You should at least accept that you don’t know the difference between a scientific theory and a layman’s definition of theory. There’s no shame in not knowing that since it’s obvious that you don’t have a science background. Anything callled theory in science is explanation of natural phenomena and have been tested to be facts by repeatable experiments which includes theory of evolution, theory of gravity, cell theory and atomic theory. Theory of evolution by natural selection has been tested by experiments and the results are consistent and it’s now fact in science just like other theories. Science will not call it fact if it’s not and hasn’t passed rigorous tests sir |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by chinasaekpere: 8:10pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
jmoore:There is no critical thinking in believing that humans were created from dust by a god by just a statement. Let’s don’t parade stupidity and ignorance as critical thinking. By all standard, it’s clear that we evolved from ancient species and all living things have common ancestor. It doesn’t matter if you deny it from now until next year because of your religion, it doesn’t make it less of a fact, it’s an established and undeniable fact in science. The signature in DNA , fossil records and all biological science points to the fact that we evolved. It’s true whether or not you believe it. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Nobody: 9:30pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
jmoore:Your first question was about z,a and b stuff. You need to know that the first cell originated from dead things(organelles) for some reason we do not know so there is nothing like infinite regression. We already Know when it started from Your second question was about why we have not evolved past this stage and I told you that evolution is slow. In the future though we will probably be able to use genetic engineering to change our entire body structure from fertilization. Which means that you can decide your child eye color,hair color,skin color,height, intelligence etc. This is not just talk because it has already been proven because scientist have created muscled pigs(pigs with muscle),hairless chicken and glow in the dark fish which you can still google it So I believe I have answered all your questions Dtruthspeaker:I don't live irresponsibly, i live by the law and retribution and punishment will be meted out on me if I don't follow them. If you need the threat of hell fire to be 'good'(good is subjective since muslim terrorist also think they are good when they kill infidels and christain like righteousness89 think they are good by rambling incoherently about end time even on a topic that deals with clouds I say CLOUDS) then you are not good There are evidences to support evolution which I will not post here since if you are too lazy to open a new tab and google evidences of evolution then you are not worth my time. 1 Like |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by jmoore(m): 10:08pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
ifyken:You don't know the reason why first cells originated from dead things? You said there is nothing like infinite here because your perspective is too narrow. Where did the dead things(organelles) come from? Your second answer is F9. A muscled pig is still a pig, hairless chicken is still a chicken. When you can create an entire new stuff from humans, let me know. A tip: A human that evolved into having wings called HomoShege. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by jmoore(m): 10:12pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
chinasaekpere: Ape induced thinking . Ancient species and all living things have common ancestor, where did the common ancestor come from? |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by sagenaija: 10:24pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
chinasaekpere: We shall soon know who doesn't "know the difference between a scientific theory and a layman’s definition of theory". How quickly you have turned into a 'prophet' to imagine that I "don’t have a science background". Fortunately science is exact. So, chin, be SPECIFIC in your answer to the following questions, so that we wouldn't end up seeing that you actually accepted evolution by "faith" RATHER THAN by empiricism which science is based on. 1. How has evolution been "tested" like you put up there? 2. More importantly, what are the "facts by repeatable experiments" that PROVES evolution? What are the "tested experiments" which have produced "consistent results" that are "now fact in science"? 1 Like |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Nobody: 10:32pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
jmoore:Please don't be lazy, everything you are asking can be googled and the answer given to you |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Playthepianos: 10:32pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
jmoore: certainly. I see it too. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Nobody: 10:33pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
sagenaija:Please any answer that you ask that can be googled should not be asked. If you ask google the answer to your question is there |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by jmoore(m): 10:37pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
ifyken:Shutup. What the op posted first is on google too. Why is she repeating it here? If you can't answer my questions, waka pass. 1 Like |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Nobody: 10:43pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
jmoore:Why did you say that, I only say that you should google it Even Christ says that "whoever doesn't do these commandments and teaches men not to do so,it would have been better if a stone was hung around his neck and thrown into a river". You have disobeyed Jesus words which he said to preach the good news by saying shut up to me so better come back to this post and apologize if not when judgement day comes only this small sin can make you enter hellfire |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by jmoore(m): 10:47pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
ifyken:Shutup. What the op posted first is on google too. Why is she repeating it here? If you can't answer my questions, waka pass. Craze don dey worry you |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by sagenaija: 11:23pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
ifyken: Are you another moniker for the OP? He made a claim. Why don't you let him defend his claim or why don't you ask him to post GOOGLE site here so that we can see how right his claims are? |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by TenQ: 11:44pm On Nov 24, 2021 |
chinasaekpere:Just two simple questions: 1. Can you please explain how chemicals acquired CONSCIOUSNESS? 2. All living things have organs that i. Take in Energy ii. Digest and store the energy iii. Excretes wastes as a result of digestion of energy source iv. Possess means of replicating themselves All the above have to be simultaneously present for an organism to be alive. Therefore, did all these systems EVOLVE separately or simultaneously in the first living organisms. I am willing to learn please, not for any argument: I've been practicing critical thinking lately! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by chinasaekpere: 6:55am On Nov 25, 2021 |
sagenaija:I cannot teach you biology on nairaland. If you missed in class, I can’t help you here. If I recommend a biology textbook to you, will you read it? I cannot come and start teaching someone who doesn’t even know what “theory” means in science. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by chinasaekpere: 6:56am On Nov 25, 2021 |
jmoore:We don’t know where the common ancestor came from and that’s not what evolution entails, it’s another topic entirely but people like you who hardly know that. Evolution only explains the diversity of species and not the origin of life. Abiogenesis and panspermia are the topic in biology that explains that, you don’t know because you have poor background in science or you are a religious fundamentalist. There is nothing wrong is saying you don’t know, what it’s wrong is making stuffs up. But we are sure that we all have common ancestors, it’s what the information in DNA and fossil record says. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by chinasaekpere: 7:05am On Nov 25, 2021 |
TenQ:Your questions are out of point and it’s deliberately looking for loopholes. Whether or not chemicals have cautiousness, Whether or not God is the maker of cautiousness doesn’t disprove the evidence in DNA and fossil records that evolution is fact. I’m not arguing that God doesn’t exist, I also believe in God. my argument is that evolution is fact and evolution doesn’t aim to explain how chemicals got cautiousness. It’s distracting question with little substance. The fact that all living system have similar way of digest molecules and we found the source of this in the DNA is a pointer to the fact that they share common ancestor |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Dtruthspeaker: 7:06am On Nov 25, 2021 |
ifyken: If you know that you have committed harmed no one, then you ought not to care about lake of fire. Secondly, everyone is guilty of knowing THE TRUTH of that which good from that which is wicked and evil exactly as everyone knows not to give their children stones instead of bread. So that "good is subjective" is just a bag of abiki's shït!. Anyway this is not the issue. ifyken: Exactly as your Comrados, you have to flee knowing very well that you would be unable to substantiate your Lies when questions are posed. Surely, this tells us that it is a Lie in addition to the other reasons for creating this Lie. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by TenQ: 7:15am On Nov 25, 2021 |
chinasaekpere:Sorry. I have not argued about God or about creation. I am just baffled by my understanding of elementary Organic and inorganic Chemistry. How can chemicals through chemical reactions just suddenly acquire consciousness? Its a valid question! The second is about the coalition of simultaneous systems that has to work together to produce life. Did the systems occur simultaneously or one after another? This is also a valid question! If you don't know the answer, its not a crime. It is an answer I desire to know too. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Workch: 7:17am On Nov 25, 2021 |
jmoore:You don’t need critical thinking to know that evolution is fact, you only need proper education and lack of religious indoctrination. A large number of Christians who are not literalists accept the theory so it’s not impossible that you can be a Christian and still accept scientific facts. People will lie IQ like yours accept those that do not contradict your faith and reject others. The major reason why your reject evolution is not because it doesn’t have evidence, it’s because it reveals the lies in Genesis story. You believed the Genesis stories without evidence, so evidence doesn’t matter to you |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by chinasaekpere: 7:23am On Nov 25, 2021 |
TenQ: This is the postulate of Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection, kindly point to which is false there and stop asking bogus questions that are meaningless to this discussion. You just keep confusing yourself because evolution doesn’t aim at explaining what you are talking about. 1) Individuals within species are variable; 2) Some of these variations are passed on to offspring; 3) In every generation, more offspring are produced than can survive; and 4) The survival and reproduction of individuals are not random; the individuals who survive and go on to reproduce the most are those with the most favorable variation, and they are naturally selected. 1 Like |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Workch: 7:27am On Nov 25, 2021 |
sagenaija:You are scientifically illiterate if you don’t know that all scientific theories have one or two facts in them. If it doesn’t explain a fact then it can’t be a theory in science. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Workch: 7:33am On Nov 25, 2021 |
TenQ:Your number 2 point goes further to present the evidence that all species have common origin. All living-things are the same at the molecular level. They have the same nucleic acid backbone and similar form of metabolism which is directed by the instructions in the DNA. If you take a “glucose kinase” enzyme, (one of the key enzymes for the metabolism of glucose) from a bacteria and compare it to that from Humans, you will still see similarities in their amino acid sequences. If you go further to study their DNA sequence, you will find similarities in their nuclear bases, there’s no other logical way to explain that unless in the light of evolution but for someone who believes in magic, he may want to invoke a spiritual being into it. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by TenQ: 7:45am On Nov 25, 2021 |
chinasaekpere:You seem to assume that I am fighting you but NO. Darwin's theory of evolution begins with existence of SPECIES. I am asking about how the first specie came to existence from chemical reactions as it seems that there are primarily five or seven routes of evolution; those that led to the evolutions of animal, plant, fungi, protist and monera. 1 Like |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by TenQ: 7:56am On Nov 25, 2021 |
Workch:There is no doubt that ALL living things have a common origin and source. My question is : Taking a bacteria for example, it consists of some basic minimum number of interworking systems of which if just one is missen, the bacteria cannot be alive. Its just like a car must have a minimum number of interwoking systems for it to be a vehicle wheels, engines, steering, transmission etc if just one component is missen, it cannot be a car. Darwin's theory of evolution starts with SPECIES but my question is about how the species came into existence from simple chemical reactions TenQ: 1 Like |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by sagenaija: 8:03am On Nov 25, 2021 |
It is NOW CLEAR that chinasaekpere, Workch and their friends on this thread are not here to reason with others. First, he started out by accusing people of paying "little attention to facts". When now asked to PROVIDE FACTS about his stance on evolution he resorts to labelling, deflection tactics and maligning. ORIGINALLY, Darwin's theory emphasised how SPECIES came about. It was not just about having warts on your skin or pimples. The two major focus were on CHANCE and TIME as instrumental factors. Evolutionists have to talk about millions and billions of years because, other than linking evolutionary phenomena to deductions from OBSERVATIONS, no concrete evidence or experiments can support or prove evolution. That is why today, proponents end up running to the cellular level to want to prove evolution. In so doing they try to avoid how such changes affect organisms to produce CHANGE in life-forms. Unlike other scientific studies where you have REPLICABLE experiments to support or prove a position, NONE of that exists for evolution. That is the PLAIN TRUTH why these guys here will rather dance round issues, refer people to Google or resort to other tactics than be upfront with their 'facts' if any. At the end of the day, they believe in evolution by simply accepting it, not based on any rational or empirical basis but on the same basis they accuse others of accepting their religion - FAITH. They have NO PROOF to show how an organism has evolved from a previous one. If they did they will give us EXPERIMENTS that have been made to show this. Maybe they should start first by giving us their definition of EVOLUTION. But then, that itself might even be an uphill task for them. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Workch: 8:09am On Nov 25, 2021 |
TenQ:You are making argument from irreducible complexity of intelligent design. It’s false that if you remove one part of a bacteria organelle that it must stop functioning. If one part of an organelle is removed naturally, it either stop functioning, acts as a vestigial organelle or served another function. This argument you are using was put forward by a controversial Colleuge of mine called Michael Behe and he use the flagellum of a bacteria to make his points. He has been disproven by with evidence that a bacteria flagellum is not irreducibly complex, if the motor of a flagellum is removed, it could still serve as an organelle for insemination of toxins and other proteins as seen many bacteria. The matter of irreducible complexity is also false in terms of vestigial organs. If I remove your appendix, you will still function properly. If I remove your tonsils, you will still function properly. If u remove Your coccyx, you will function properly. So what’s the irreducible complexity in this? So the equivalence with a car part is false and doesn’t work like that in nature. Cars do not adapt to changing environment conditions like living cells. It’s a false equivalence fallacy |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Workch: 8:13am On Nov 25, 2021 |
TenQ:But asking how species came into existence is not a topic in evolution. That’s like another topic entirely and science doesn’t have that answer. What we are sure about is that evolution happened and it’s still happened. We don’t know for sure how the first species came and evolution is not the topic to discusss that and this thread doesn’t aim at discussing that either. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by Workch: 8:15am On Nov 25, 2021 |
sagenaija:You don’t know science dude. Correct yourself on the theory blunder and we will teach you the science you should have learnt in secondary school. You can’t be arrogant in ignorance and still expect that we teach you. Theories are facts in science and that’s why it is. |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by chinasaekpere: 8:32am On Nov 25, 2021 |
TenQ:Evolution is not a topic that aims to explain how the first specie came to be. That's like creating another topic entirely. This topic is meant to discuss evolution of specie and not the origin of life |
Re: See Why Some Believers Don’t Accept The Theory Of Evolution by sagenaija: 8:35am On Nov 25, 2021 |
Workch: Just present facts man!, just present FACTS! Don't attack the man. The thread is about evolution. I have presented here more about evolution and Darwin than any of you. |
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