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Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Babaken: 8:46am On Dec 11, 2021
sirblend:
They can't be defeated.
They have taken over some local government in Niger state which is close to FCT.
Their next task is to take over Asorock then declare Nigeria an Islamic caliphate.



This I have seen.
it has been buhari promise to hand over to them through the back door befor his tenure is over.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by MrHyde: 8:47am On Dec 11, 2021
Of course they can
1. Track their funding sources and be bold enough to prosecute them,
2. Investigate to find out spys in the military and prosecute them
3. Purchase enough weapons to go after them
4. Plant moles to get as much information

Basically, with intelligence and strong will, terrorism can be conquered.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Taylordedon(m): 8:49am On Dec 11, 2021
Islam is the problem of mankind, defeat Islam and Nigeria will know peace
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by klever18(m): 8:52am On Dec 11, 2021
akmath:
70 Virgins
thanks for the correction
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Remman(m): 8:52am On Dec 11, 2021
nzeobi:
When we get tired of spending money, we will run away like the Americans.

While I do not like the BH ideologies and tactics, I still think we can negotiate with them and stop wasting careless money fighting them
You're a boko haram... God go punish you!

How many times has this government tried to negotiate and even compensate those animals and nothing happened? To the extent that they sent one of their clerics to mingle with them to find out the way to make peace but nothing happened. And why should the government have any business to do with those whose intention is to wipe off christians? What kind of negotiation are you talking about? Or do you mean financing them to aquire more arms to kill more people? You've got to be kidding me.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by jamace(m): 8:54am On Dec 11, 2021
The bandits/ISWAP/Boko Haram crooks are majorly FULANIS and commanded by FULANIS. These crooks come to town, mingle with citizens to enjoy themselves, and are seen by citizens as ORDINARY FULANIS. Therefore, to put an end to terrorism in Nigeria, all FULANIS must be exterminated.

All lizards lie prostrate, how can you tell which of them is suffering from stomach ache,,,,,,...?
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Limassol(m): 9:11am On Dec 11, 2021
nzeobi:
When we get tired of spending money, we will run away like the Americans.

While I do not like the BH ideologies and tactics, I still think we can negotiate with them and stop wasting careless money fighting them
Negotiating with battle-hardened terrorists like Boko haram and ISWAP will do far more harm than good; for one, that will mean giving legitimacy to their barbarous ways which in turn will be a huge insipiration to would-be terrorists. secondly, the goverment will have to make huge concessions at the end of the day, unbefitting and ungraceful. worse of it all,it will only subside the problem not solve it - the settlement agreed between the colombian goverment and FARC terrorists is a good case study. however, ending the Boko Haram Insurgency is not rocket science, it could be achived with sheer political will and commitment, but could it be achieved? the endemic corruption ingrained in our society will always be our biggest obstacle in that dream.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Limassol(m): 9:36am On Dec 11, 2021
uncleck:
Take northern Nigeria for instance, they only feel bad when they become victims of the senseless killings but will still not render any tangible assistance in the fight against terrorists because they have a soft spot for them. So the Afghans could have been undermining Americans' effort because they already see the west as infidels.

But a determined and smart leader can do the magic
No, thats not neccesarily true. The Afghan goverment is not rich enough to afford much of the sophisticated weapons in its arsenal - much of it was actually donated by western goverments, chiefly America, It spent around $82 billion arming and training the Afghan Millitary over time, whats more? over the span of 20 years it was estimated the US goverment spent around $1.2 trillion towards that war effort. The Afghan goverment is not only poor but chronically corrupt, infact even before it was ousted, 75% of its budget was foreign-funded.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by ivolt: 9:48am On Dec 11, 2021
knowhowk:
Gone are the days Soldiers are Passionate about WARS ,In this Present Naija Situations it seems that Mindset is changing especially when they think about the Old Fashioned Weaponry in Comparison to the Terrorists Own.
It is a political lie that Boko haram have better weapons, they don't.
In fact, almost all their weapons were seized from the Nigerian army.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by spiff2temitope: 10:08am On Dec 11, 2021
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Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by knowhowk(op): 10:21am On Dec 11, 2021
Ikpongiton:
Buhari in government can not defeat buhari in government.
What do you mean by this ?
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by knowhowk(op): 10:23am On Dec 11, 2021
ivolt:
It is a political lie that Boko haram have better weapons, they don't.
In fact, almost all their weapons were seized from the Nigerian army.
And till now they are yet to exhaust those Weapons ? What Weapons do they use to Fight the Nigerian army to get those Weapons from them ?
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by knowhowk(op): 10:25am On Dec 11, 2021
MrHyde:
Of course they can
1. Track their funding sources and be bold enough to prosecute them,
2. Investigate to find out spys in the military and prosecute them
3. Purchase enough weapons to go after them
4. Plant moles to get as much information

Basically, with intelligence and strong will, terrorism can be conquered.
. Good Points ..
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Kazeem47(m): 10:53am On Dec 11, 2021
You want some peoples income to end?no way!.Did America end Taliban,All Qaeda or ISIS?
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by azpekuliar: 11:10am On Dec 11, 2021
jamace:
The bandits/ISWAP/Boko Haram crooks are majorly FULANIS and commanded by FULANIS. These crooks come to town, mingle with citizens to enjoy themselves, and are seen by citizens as ORDINARY FULANIS. Therefore, to put an end to terrorism in Nigeria, all FULANIS must be exterminated.

All lizards lie prostrate, how can you tell which of them is suffering from stomach ache,,,,,,...?
Na wa oo..

This guy you go commit genocide if you had the means
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Nchenches: 11:28am On Dec 11, 2021
knowhowk:
With the Recent Take over of Afghanistan by the Taliban ,Seems Religious Fundamentalist and Extremist don't give up their Visions and Missions easily Irrespective of the years involved .

They are Die Hard .. Most are not Afriad to die as they believe that there is much Rewards for them incase they Die in a Struggle.

With the way and Manner Terrorist are been handled in Nigeria ,With the Heavy Support and Allegiance to ISIS ,Heavy Financial Ability and Moles within our Security Operatives, Won't they one day get to ASO ROCK to take over the Government .Imagine a Soldier that thinks about His Family ,Life ,Un-sofisticated .Weapons.
Boko - Haram / Iswap are die Hard....

Gone are the days Soldiers are Passionate about WARS ,In this Present Naija Situations it seems that Mindset is changing especially when they think about the Old Fashioned Weaponry in Comparison to the Terrorists Own.

Gradually , Little by Little Terrorist are unshakable ,They are Bold ,Stern..they keep Fighting on and on...

Nigeria ...The Journey to a Secured Nation is still Far ....

What do you think ?
NO. Unless adoption of Islamic Sharia Criminal justice system by the 12 sharia states of northern Nigeria is RENOUNCED.
Boko Haram/ISWAP is fighting for a Nigeria to be governed with Islamic Sharia Criminal Justice system.
Better alternative is split Nigeria into new manageable countries based on common value systems, religious faiths, cultures and traditions, the way countries were formed in Europe and parts of Asia.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Truvelisback(m): 11:43am On Dec 11, 2021
No, except their sponsorers are exposed and arrested.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Nobody: 12:03pm On Dec 11, 2021
nzeobi:
When we get tired of spending money, we will run away like the Americans.

While I do not like the BH ideologies and tactics, I still think we can negotiate with them and stop wasting careless money fighting them
People like u who spew this kind of bullshyt aren't affected by this genocidal maniacs, U can never negotiate with a terrorist. Even now those "repentant" killers are being fully protected by the army, if not the victims would have banded together & roast them. Afghanistan people already love Taliban unlike d north where terrorist are hated
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by sulaak(m): 12:14pm On Dec 11, 2021
jadyclem:
The commercialization of terrorism by the ogas at the top is the only reason why they have not been defeated yet. It's the same old weapons that goodluck regime used to chase bokoharam out of the Nigerian territories they were occupying then in less than a month when they knew it would affect the election. So until the government and the military ogas at the top see the need to expel those terrorists out of our territories forever, they'll keep commercializing it.
Chief, the monster has grown beyond the corrupt political elites and military ogas, ISWAP and BH are ideology have the backing of power Middle -East and Nigerians Islamic fundamentalist.

They have tried and failed in the Middle East, with partial success in Iraq and Syria, but West Africa with its large population, arable land and resources, is a bigger catch than even Saudi Arabia.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by sulaak(m): 12:23pm On Dec 11, 2021
Kdon2:
My brother that is not possible. Nigeria is not Afghanistan. We have the die hard igbos too, niger Delta that you don't want to mess with and the Yoruba that seems docile. E go shock them!
The docile Yoruba's fought the Fulani jihadist to a standstill in the middle belt, why other empires were falling. The docile Yoruba's protested to force the return to democracy. The docile Yoruba's created Amotekun to counter Fulani incursion in their land.


You don't fight wars by shouting Ipob or Biafra succession, you build internal capacity and exploit the weakness of your enemy.

The North will fall because they lack capacity and leadership.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by 9ty4our: 12:40pm On Dec 11, 2021
Yes, the will go with their sponsor once they are voted out of office come 2023.. (That is if elections hold oh)..
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Kdon2: 1:02pm On Dec 11, 2021
membranus:
Where did you get that ridiculous idea that the Yorubas are docile?

Have you forgotten the roles of Alabi Ishama, Major General Adekunle, Gen. Obasanjo, Awolowo in the Nigerian Civil War? Without them we will still be fighting the war.

Or the fulani caliphate incursion into Yoruba territory in the 19th century and how they were defeated by the Ibadan and Oyo Armies.

Or the Yoruba NADECO role in defeating army rule in Nigeria.

The Yorubas are tough as steel, we are only accommodating in nature because we are highly civilised.
Well said brother!
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by knowhowk(op): 4:17pm On Dec 11, 2021
9ty4our:
Yes, the will go with their sponsor once they are voted out of office come 2023.. (That is if elections hold oh)..
. Hmmm !
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by ivolt: 5:08pm On Dec 11, 2021
knowhowk:
And till now they are yet to exhaust those Weapons ?
Have the Nigerian army exhausted its own weapons?
No.
Some newly bought MWRAPs, Hilux and battle tanks were recently seized by Boko haram.

What Weapons do they use to Fight the Nigerian army to get those Weapons from them ?
Knives, Machete, local guns and low calibre fireams, that is what Boko haram started with.
In fact, an average armed robbery group was better armed than Boko haram in the beginning until
they started raiding police stations and army posts to seize weapons.
The same soldiers who fled and abandoned their weapons would turn around to complain of lack
of weapons and lazy journalists wouldn't bother questioning their claims.

If you still don't get it, go and do your research and come back with a list or even just 1 special weapon that
Boko haram uses that the army does not posses.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by ivolt: 5:15pm On Dec 11, 2021
MrHyde:
Of course they can
1. Track their funding sources and be bold enough to prosecute them,
Their major funding comes from tax and kidnapping similar to the Taliban.
Who would you prosecute in these cases?

2. Investigate to find out spys in the military and prosecute them
This will have little to no effect. The "spies" that make a difference
are civilians.

3. Purchase enough weapons to go after them
What kind of weapons do you think will make a difference?

4. Plant moles to get as much information
The military already did. But this is real life and not movies.

Basically, with intelligence and strong will, terrorism can be conquered.
I suppose the Americans were too incompetent to follow this blueprint in Afghanistan?
They can be defeated but it takes more than conventional thinking to defeated terrorist groups.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Nobody: 7:20pm On Dec 11, 2021
Yes if they will focus efforts on equipping military with good air support. Hold governors responsible for doing the work so these people are not jobless in the state and vulnerable to recruiters
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by knowhowk(op): 8:15pm On Dec 11, 2021
Speaktruth88:
Yes if they will focus efforts on equipping military with good air support. Hold governors responsible for doing the work so these people are not jobless in the state and vulnerable to recruiters
Hmmm !
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by Islacourt: 3:20am On Dec 12, 2021
knowhowk:
With the Recent Take over of Afghanistan by the Taliban ,Seems Religious Fundamentalist and Extremist don't give up their Visions and Missions easily Irrespective of the years involved .

They are Die Hard .. Most are not Afriad to die as they believe that there is much Rewards for them incase they Die in a Struggle.

With the way and Manner Terrorist are been handled in Nigeria ,With the Heavy Support and Allegiance to ISIS ,Heavy Financial Ability and Moles within our Security Operatives, Won't they one day get to ASO ROCK to take over the Government .Imagine a Soldier that thinks about His Family ,Life ,Un-sofisticated .Weapons.
Boko - Haram / Iswap are die Hard....

Gone are the days Soldiers are Passionate about WARS ,In this Present Naija Situations it seems that Mindset is changing especially when they think about the Old Fashioned Weaponry in Comparison to the Terrorists Own.

Gradually , Little by Little Terrorist are unshakable ,They are Bold ,Stern..they keep Fighting on and on...

Nigeria ...The Journey to a Secured Nation is still Far ....

What do you think ?
They have taken over Nigeria already. They r your police and army…. Who will fight terrorists for you? I don’t know what is wrong with niggerians
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by knowhowk(op): 10:26am On Dec 12, 2021
Islacourt:
They have taken over Nigeria already. They r your police and army…. Who will fight terrorists for you? I don’t know what is wrong with niggerians
. shocked
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by MrHyde: 3:57pm On Dec 12, 2021
ivolt:
Their major funding comes from tax and kidnapping similar to the Taliban.
Who would you prosecute in these cases?


This will have little to no effect. The "spies" that make a difference
are civilians.
Are the civilian spies the ones who gave Intel on when to attack baracks, where the armory is?
Was is civilians that gave Intel on the NDA attack?


What kind of weapons do you think will make a difference?
Drones, both weaponized and spy drones, there are so many high caliber long range weapons that would give the military an upper hand.


The military already did. But this is real life and not movies.
Then they didn't do enough, there is no limit to what can be done.

I suppose the Americans were too incompetent to follow this blueprint in Afghanistan?
They can be defeated but it takes more than conventional thinking to defeated terrorist groups.

You are twisting history, it is alleged the Talibans bombed the world trade center on 911, America took the war beyond their shores to their stronghold and country, Afghanistan, toppled their govt and put in place a civilian govt with full American support and only decided to pull out due to the high cost involved after almost 10 years.
I am not asking the Nigerian govt or military to go to Afghanistan, I am saying they should make Nigeria so hot for them, they won't even consider staying in Niger or Chad.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by ivolt: 7:23pm On Dec 12, 2021
Are the civilian spies the ones who gave Intel on when to attack baracks, where the armory is?
Intel?
When a facility is overrun, it doesn't take a genius to ransack the place and loot valuables.
Even ordinary unarmed rioters looted AK-47s during the endsars riot.

Was is civilians that gave Intel on the NDA attack?
Intel again?
NDA is a school and not a defense post.
People are allowed to freely walk in and out the institution the last time I checked.
There is nothing special in kidnapping students from a school that is open to the public.

Drones, both weaponized and spy drones, there are so many high caliber long range weapons that would give the military an upper hand.
I see you are shying away from listing the "so many high caliber long range weapons".
There is a difference between upper hand and victory.
America had more drones than they needed in Afghanistan, it gave them upper hand but
they still fled at last.

Then they didn't do enough, there is no limit to what can be done.
There is always a limit. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying.

You are twisting history, it is alleged the Talibans bombed the world trade center on 911,
The bold is completely false.
Nobody has ever accused the Taliban of carrying out 9/11.
You seem to be unfamiliar with the topic being discussed.

America took the war beyond their shores to their stronghold and country, Afghanistan, toppled their govt and put in place a civilian govt with full American support
All you described above are so fantasies. If toppling a government is so big of a deal, America
will have indisputable power. You don't even need boots on ground to topple governments.
Despite the "full American support", top US politicians only visited Afghanistan unannounced
because of fear of attack.
Today, there is a government in Borno, but a person would have to be reckless to take safety for granted.

and only decided to pull out due to the high cost involved after almost 10 years.
Pull out is the same thing as accepting defeat.
Nobody pulls out while winning!


I am not asking the Nigerian govt or military to go to Afghanistan, I am saying they should make Nigeria so hot for them, they won't even consider staying in Niger or Chad.
Again, you are misreading the issue.
The location is immaterial. Same defeat awaits an army who refuse to think beyond weapons
or continue to ignore the troops incompetence.
Re: ISWAP And Boko Haram: Can They Be Fully Defeated? by knowhowk(op): 7:35pm On Dec 12, 2021
Terrorists don't give up ...They are Die Hard ,They belief that one day their Vision will be Achieved even if it takes the last Man Standing ...That is the main Issue..

I don't See Our Dear Country Security Personels having such Matching Mindset
.

Well .Are you a One Minute Man ...Stop Telling your stories on Bed Just satisfy Her.

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