Christistruth00:

Are you kidding me, does that mean superiority in any way. Have you ever been in a party, where someone comes in and every body takes their chair. Isn't that what happened. Or did the OOni tell you, they kept a tag on his chair, while other superior kings came there.

Or you think other kings don't have their respect and would have denied the invitation if that's what they were or how they were going to be addressed by sitting arrangement? funny you.

SirBlack999:

For real. I actually thought I was the only that noticed the change in mood. Probably thought they would shout Igbo down, but their madness was met with madness and evidence. They're now seeking a calmer conversation. People that betrayed the old Eastern region where they were getting half of the revenue from sale natural resources to Nigeria because they made a deal with the devil. Today, they're managing a meagre 13%, which was actually pulled off with the help of Igbos; The can't fish nor farm because of degradation, no control of their oil Wells (good Job Fulanis!!); and Northern Politicians are thinking of even removing the 13% derivatives, because, to them, we're one people, one nation. Ife mgbu fa kana ebido. Otito dịrị Chineke maka Social media na internet. If not, ndị a kaari continue with their propaganda.

you guys did a great job..

Bonny and Opobo remains an igbo territory and stays that way... Ijaw is a minority and can't be a threat

ariesbull:
you guys did a great job..

Bonny and Opobo remains an igbo territory and stays that way... Ijaw is a minority and can't be a threat

Daalụ nwanne mmadụ. But everyone should be on alert, they could be mischievous. These people can sell their souls at their own detriments and nothing to gain from it. Nkịta rachakwa fa anya there.

Igboid:


There is no point reasoning with them.
We are going for the jugular and finishing them off.
See the type of rubbish ChinenyeN was writing.
https://www.nairaland.com/6139964/what-ndoki-people-say-themselves/3

And watch how sho conspicuously avoided this thread once she was exposed!

The reason we haven't gotten deep to Bonny Opobo issue on NL since 2000s in the days of Onlytruth, EzeUche, Obiagu1, Dede1 and other Igbo gladiators then, is that at any point in time we seem to gather momentum, ChinenyeN comes in as an in-house spy ware and scatters things by cautioning for diplomacy and claiming that only Southern Igbos especially Ngwa, which she was masquerading as, should Wade into the issue.

https://www.nairaland.com/6139964/what-ndoki-people-say-themselves/3

At every Bonny and Opobo discussion on this forum for past decade, ChinenyeN appears and play the cunning neutral pacifier role while pandering to Ijaw nationalist angle, and we died the matter, because we thought she was one of us.

".... This conversation is really not up for debate" she sounds like those fools on twitter parading themselves as Pro-Igbos, but are actually Otelectuals

SirBlack999:

Daalụ nwanne mmadụ. But everyone should be on alert, they could be mischievous. These people can sell their souls at their own detriments and nothing to gain from it. Nkịta rachakwa fa anya there.

Onye ka faa bụ... Arapu faa ana ezuzu...


Onye ọbụna mụ anya ka azu

ThickSharon123:


Are you kidding me, does that mean superiority in any way. Have you ever been in a party, where someone comes in and every body takes their chair. Isn't that what happened. Or did the OOni tell you, they kept a tag on his chair, while other superior kings came there.

Or you think other kings don't have their respect and would have denied the invitation if that's what they were or how they were going to be addressed by sitting arrangement? funny you.

Those people are very funny

Igboid:


Wow!
This is a Bomb! They should close down all history departments in SE.

All our professors of history and Ph.D holders should be ashamed of themselves.

.........OMG! How come this is not on every newspaper column?

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Ekealterego:


JANK23H, please, do not stress me, one of the reasons why Alagoa came up many times on this thread was because earlier in the thread your guys, when they did not have anything kept referencing him and getting excerpts referencing him. Which defeats the whole purpose of the discussion.

Nwanne kekwanu. Biko ọbụrụ na-inwe akwụkwọ Jean Barbot ka-ituorum ya. Doo.

Here's GI Jones review of the book The Small Brave City-State: A History of Nembe-Brass in the Niger Delta. By Ebiegberi J. Alagoa. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press; Ibadan University Press, 1964. Pp. 173, ill., map

Perhaps this was Alagoa's first book. You can see from the link below. Only that you'll have to subscribe to see the whole review.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/E62B05D97555805B57AC2B2F1C1A06BF/S0001972000031892a.pdf/small_brave_citystate.pdf

I'm still searching for GI Jones rebruttal of Alagoa's History about Bonny. That one na uppercut.

Eastlink:
Here's GI Jones review of the book The Small Brave City-State: A History of Nembe-Brass in the Niger Delta. By Ebiegberi J. Alagoa. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press; Ibadan University Press, 1964. Pp. 173, ill., map

Perhaps this was Alagoa's first book. You can see from the link below. Only that you'll have to subscribe to see the whole review.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/E62B05D97555805B57AC2B2F1C1A06BF/S0001972000031892a.pdf/small_brave_citystate.pdf

Lolllllllllllllll. All these foreign historians are harsh

SlayerForever:





Lolllllllllllllll. All these foreign historians are harsh

Wait until you read the review about Bonny History. Infact Alagoa had to do a rewrite and revised edition after that smackdown.

Vintagepipes:

I can help out here:
........I think Barbot's work might be hard to understand the name of the people he was referring too.
.............It was printed in old texts. S for instance is exchanged with something like F
................... because the printing was different (a for i) for instance
............................Know the current names now: To help you
....................................... Hackbaus - (Igbos)
........................................Cricke/Young Cricke (Okrika)
........................................ Bandy/Bany (Bonny)
......................................... Dony - Andoni and so on.
.......................................... ahhh no Ijaws were mentioned or conceived.

In the link, check from pg 455 - Voyage to New Calabar.
CC: Ekealterego, Igboid

https://books.google.de/books?id=Wta7pVslBEwC&pg=PA423&lpg=PA423&dq=VOYAGE+INTO+nEW+cALABAR&source=bl&ots=QIA1Z-trM2&sig=ACfU3U3t6oH4PyhdRFiDY0utq0NgHDz9lQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiki-u__eDyAhVsgP0HHUQLA64Q6AF6BAgOEAM#v=onepage&q=Hackbous&f=false

Le ya na link a. Guo Ihe @vintagepipe dere.

SlayerForever:
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Nwanne kekwanu. Biko ọbụrụ na-inwe akwụkwọ Jean Barbot ka-ituorum ya. Doo.

ChinenyeN:
[s]Loooool. So dedicated to your smear campaign against me, but it's wasted effort for you people. Anyone who goes through my post history will see how important Igbo language, culture and history has been to me. I'm as Igbo as they come. Lol. I’m obviously a proud Igbo since my aka oru gbasara okwu la omelala Igbo is readily apparent on this platform, especially in the culture section. I care about my Igbo people too much to leave them at the mercy of nde nnu la unu; nde we mgbamgba erne la agba chakom.

It's okay though. Igbo ga-adi without you; Igbo ga-aka mma sef. Lol. [/s]

Ana akogheri, ako ihe n'agba ka moto!

Sie ebea puo ga rie nsi, Judas Iscariot

Ekealterego:


Le ya na link a. Guo Ihe @vintagepipe dere.

Daalu ooooo

ThickSharon123:


Are you kidding me, does that mean superiority in any way. Have you ever been in a party, where someone comes in and every body takes their chair. Isn't that what happened. Or did the OOni tell you, they kept a tag on his chair, while other superior kings came there.

Or you think other kings don't have their respect and would have denied the invitation if that's what they were or how they were going to be addressed by sitting arrangement? funny you.

Ooni is the one in the Center of the Photograph .


Photo: yoruba Obas 1937.


From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.

christistruth01:




Ooni is the one in the Center of the Photograph .


Photo: yoruba Obas 1937.


From the Yorubas Obas conference 1937 proceedings
Hosted by Sir Bernard Boudillon Governor General of Nigeria
on 31st March and 1st April 1937



Quoting last paragraph of first page:

“The Chiefs were seated in a horse-shoe formation, with the Oni of Ife ,as the head of the town from which all Yorubas have traditionally sprung at the centre ,and the Alaafin of Oyo at the western and the Oba of Benin at the eastern end, an arrangement which gave general satisfaction.

Are you serious ... Thank our Lord, you said Yoruba obas and not Kings of Nigeria. You Yoruba can hold honor to your OOni, but in the other picture I don't think that's what happened here.

The Prince of England gave an invite and he wouldn't demean anyone by putting a tag on the chair, or making some pointless seating arrangement.

Trust me, Kings are proud and they wouldn't have succumbed to such invites, never. So, stop being delusional

All accounts from 1900s and earlier state Ijaws as boat living cannibals. Every single account. How could the Ubani people have allowed this people to enter into their society and take over.

ThickSharon123:


Are you serious ... Thank our Lord, you said Yoruba obas and not Kings of Nigeria. You Yoruba can hold honor to your OOni, but in the other picture I don't think that's what happened here.

The Prince of England gave an invite and he wouldn't demean anyone by putting a tag on the chair, or making some pointless seating arrangement.

Trust me, Kings are proud and they wouldn't have succumbed to such invites, never. So, stop being delusional

Check out the Position of the Ooni to the Alaafin of Oyo and the Oba of Benin Again

It was based it on History

Christistruth00:




Check out the Position of the Ooni to the Alaafin of Oyo and the Oba of Benin Again

It was based it on History

I guess is someone from Osun who wrote that.

ThickSharon123:


I guess is someone from Osun who wrote that.

The British Colonial Government was not from Osun State

SlayerForever:
All accounts from 1900s and earlier state Ijaws as boat living cannibals. Every single account. How could the Ubani people have allowed this people to enter into their society and take over.

When the British finally defeated Aros and made themselves the only coercive force in the region, the Ijaw they brought with them were now free to come out of their boats to settle on land. Before then, those pirates were always dealt with by tribal warriors whenever they stray close to land.

..... Bkayy
..... Igboid
..... 9cloud
..... Slayerforever
..... Ofoigbo
..... Eastland
..... Ekealterego

....and the rest with comments on the first page
.... You can have like a mini, table of content or guide showing key pages where key information were provided

..... something like a guide for someone who is interested in going through it quickly.

..... With key information.

.... if possible, also uploads of key excerpts.

.......You can call it milestones.


for instance..

.....How Algoa rewrote Bonny history (with the excerpt or key page) page 82

.....something like that. This thread is a treasure of information.

.....I just got information from a Bonnian

.....there is a mini crisis because Ijaw people were telling them to forget Igbo and make Igbo a taboo.

..... I didn't know the desperation gotten this far.

....He wrote that it was a very big quarrel...
.... However, they didn't accept those terms and fought against it.

.....This is now causing a fight.

.... I discovered, one of them said it was Algoa's 1972 book that was FORCED on them.

..... There was a premeditated and well orchestrated plan to commit cultural genocide.

Malawian:

When the British finally defeated Aros and made themselves the only coercive force in the region, the Ijaw they brought with them were now free to come out of their boats to settle on land. Before then, those pirates were always dealt with by tribal warriors whenever they stray close to land.

The "daftest" of them all speaks.

BKayy:

Guy from what I read from Baikie and Hugh Crow, Bonny was a very territorial and Violent Igbo city.
Bonny even made Okirika and later Andoni tributaries. Andoni was forced to a treaty to provide soldiers and canoes anytime Bonny is at war.

They said the Slaves didn't do much to their language as they maintained close ties with their Igbo kins in the hinterland.
At the end of page 336, Baikie made note that they embark on pilgrimage to Aro, and they maintained cordial relationships with Aboh and their relatives Ndoki and Ngwá.

Where Jo men who now call themselves Ijaw fit into all these things is what I don't understand.

What's the name of that facebook group and what's app group you guys formed Abeg.
I want to join

SlayerForever:
All accounts from 1900s and earlier state Ijaws as boat living cannibals. Every single account. How could the Ubani people have allowed this people to enter into their society and take over.

What's the name of that facebook group and what's app group you guys formed Abeg.
I want to join

Eastlink:
Here's GI Jones review of the book The Small Brave City-State: A History of Nembe-Brass in the Niger Delta. By Ebiegberi J. Alagoa. Madison: University of Wisconsin Press; Ibadan University Press, 1964. Pp. 173, ill., map

Perhaps this was Alagoa's first book. You can see from the link below. Only that you'll have to subscribe to see the whole review.

https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/E62B05D97555805B57AC2B2F1C1A06BF/S0001972000031892a.pdf/small_brave_citystate.pdf

Nwanne I'm just seeing this now. What a damning commentary on Alagoa's professionalism.

These criticisms of the quack Alagoa seem to be coming from multiple sources

Vintagepipes:
..... Bkayy
..... Igboid
..... 9cloud
..... Slayerforever
..... Ofoigbo
..... Eastland
..... Ekealterego

....and the rest with comments on the first page
.... You can have like a mini, table of content or guide showing key pages where key information were provided

..... something like a guide for someone who is interested in going through it quickly.

..... With key information.

.... if possible, also uploads of key excerpts.

.......You can call it milestones.


for instance..

.....How Algoa rewrote Bonny history (with the excerpt or key page) page 82

.....something like that. This thread is a treasure of information.

Great info. I will make something like that when I'm chanced, if someone else hasn't.

Eastlandx:

What's the name of that facebook group and what's app group you guys formed Abeg.
I want to join

Quote me with your main moniker on a dead thread.

ChinenyeN:
Loooool. So dedicated to your smear campaign against me, but it's wasted effort for you people. Anyone who goes through my post history will see how important Igbo language, culture and history has been to me. I'm as Igbo as they come. Lol. I’m obviously a proud Igbo since my aka oru gbasara okwu la omelala Igbo is readily apparent on this platform, especially in the culture section. I care about my Igbo people too much to leave them at the mercy of nde nnu la unu; nde we mgbamgba erne la agba chakom.

It's okay though. Igbo ga-adi without you; Igbo ga-aka mma sef. Lol.

Sweetie, you're not Igbo. Bonny and Opobo are obviously Igbos, although we have Ijaw elements, it's obvious. But trying to tort history to suit what you believe had exposed you.

Now, tell me, what would you say about the evidence shown to you. Crow and the likes aren't to be considered right becuase they didn't show how Jo men where representativs of the Bonny and Opobo island houses.

Don't be bias in your approach even if you're a Jo person. Most of the Bonny and Opobo are proud to be Igbos, but you guys have adutlerted them with a language thats alien, destroyed their heritage by calling them descendants of slaves, and made them very confused in all aspects. Isn't that enough? But as I said the chi of all Igbos is so strong, that it can't be altered.

And don't pretend with that Igbo speaking jamboree. An Ijaw man can learn Igbo here and pretend he's one. Language does not make you Igbo, if you're a proud Igbo it would be known unconsciously.

ThickSharon123, going by your profile, you’ve only been on NL for the second half of this year. So I’ll extend some grace to you, since it’s possible that you do not know my comments on this platform. As an extension of that grace, I’ll encourage you to go and read through a thread called The Extent of Alaigbo right here on NL. Feel free to browse for my contributions on this topic, and feel free to see the timestamp for when those contributions were made. Thanks.