TenQ:

Do babies know about electricity?
Do babies know that scorpions can sting?
Does a baby by instinct know that an electric plate cooker can burn?

So it is with God.
Babies don't have any information or knowledge to make any decision about God. They have zero expectations about anything. A child's perfect agnosticism is based on total lack of awareness!

They don't need awareness to lack belief.....

HellVictorinho3:




You talked about a coin.




You didn't state what you were......theist or atheist.... you can't be neither

I’m neither. Anything can be inscribed on the coin, so arguing for one side or the other is futile. Once you get the coin, you can insribe anything on it and get someone to pick the other side. At the end of the day, it’s all nonsense. Once you understand how the coin is made, you don’t need to have a side.

TenQ:

Obsession is when what is seemly unimportant dominate your time.

No, please...not at this time.

May I know when to drop digits?



It's still a matter of life and death.


I am terribly frustrated.

KnownUnknown:


I’m neither. Anything can be inscribed on the coin, so arguing for one side or the other is futile. Once you get the coin, you can insribe anything on it and get someone to pick the other side. At the end of the day, it’s all nonsense. Once you understand how the coin is made, you don’t need to have a side.

There's nothing I can do about what you think.



I just need your financial assistance to address a certain situation.


Can you help me?

hupernikao:


No. Am not talking about your heart, I am referring to the heart of man.

Who is man?

HellVictorinho3:




May I know when to drop digits?



It's still a matter of life and death.


I am terribly frustrated.

What you need isn't money. What you need is a self examination and stillness!
In the quietness, you'll find your path

HellVictorinho3:




They don't need awareness to lack belief.....

Goats and Dogs lack awareness or belief about any Deity. Are atheists also like them?

LordReed:


Here we go again. How can the lack of belief be a belief? How can not playing sports be a sport? You are the one coming up with a senseless proposition. Someone says I don't believe Santa Claus exists and you say he is being senseless, no, you are being senseless.

Will you agree with me that Goats and Dogs lack a belief in any deity?

How are ATHEISTs similar?

LordReed:


You mean what specific god? It would depend on the individual, there are Christian agnostic theists from what I gather. And no, agnostic does not negate his beliefs.

I am asking what the agnostic theist claim he believes in: is what he believes in the "Deity" or "his common sense to self preservation"?

Myer:


Disbelieving in a deity is in 2 parts;

1. You can disbelieve a particular god and choose to believe another god. Which is still theism. It is simply conversion from one god to another.

2. You can disbelieve in gods entirely. Which is still atheism. Just the same as lack of belief in a deity.

A state of doubt in a the existence of god is like I'm sure you know called Agnosticism.

Agnostic-atheist or Agnostic-theist is still an agnostic.

All here perfectly said:
Although I doubt if the core atheist will agree with you that atheism is a state of disbelief. They will rather want to use the vague term of "lack of belief".

A disbelief is a logical or mental or emotional rejection of a belief system.

In other words, without a belief system, there cannot be a disbelief.

A lack of belief is a state in which there is no subject of belief on ground in the first place. This state is possible only in total ignorance.

Example: A goat or a dog lacks a belief in any deity.

Myer:


You are not to decide that. These are simply english/grammatical words that have their definitions.

Theism means belief in a deity (god).
While its antithesis/opposite is Atheism which means lacking belief in a deity (god).

An atheist might have a belief in science or other philosophies but certainly not a belief in a god.
Cos by believing in a god, they are no longer atheists but theists.

Why didn't you define theism as possession of a belief rather than just a belief in a deity?

The opposite of belief is DOUBT! So that in its proper sense atheists are those who DOUBT the existence of God!

Check your English Dictionary:
The antonym of belief is either DISBELIEF or DOUBT and not the play of semantics referred to as LACK of BELIEF!

TenQ:

I am asking what the agnostic theist claim he believes in: is what he believes in the "Deity" or "his common sense to self preservation"?

He believes in a deity.

LordReed:


He believes in a deity.

No sir.

Check the attachment

TenQ:

Will you agree with me that Goats and Dogs lack a belief in any deity?

How are ATHEISTs similar?

Rocks also lack belief in gods but we don't describe them as atheist because we reserve the term for beings that have our level of cogitation. Goats and dogs do not have our level of cogitation so we don't call them atheists. It is one of the reasons I don't think it is appropriate to say babies are atheists, their level of cogitation is still low.

TenQ:

No sir.

Check the attachment

You left out the theist part. Find the meaning of agnostic theist.

LordReed:


Rocks also lack belief in gods but we don't describe them as atheist because we reserve the term for beings that have our level of cogitation. Goats and dogs do not have our level of cogitation so we don't call them atheists. It is one of the reasons I don't think it is appropriate to say babies are atheists, their level of cogitation is still low.

Exactly the point. Only creatures without a reasonable human level of cognition can lack a belief.

A human being can
1. Doubt a belief system
2. Disbelief a system

A baby cannot even be called an atheist UNTIL his cognitive level becomes reasonable.

In other words my friend, atheism is NOT a LACK of belief as you have been misled to think

LordReed:


You left out the theist part. Find the meaning of agnostic theist.

That's why I said the AGNOSTIC prefix negates the THEIST suffix.

Agnostic theist is simply a person who does NOT believe in a deity but has a leaning towards the deity for other reasons.

An Agnostic claims NOT to know, so how can he believe in what he doesn't know?

TenQ:

That's why I said the AGNOSTIC prefix negates the THEIST suffix.

Agnostic theist is simply a person who does NOT believe in a deity but has a leaning towards the deity for other reasons.

An Agnostic claims NOT to know, so how can he believe in what he doesn't know?

Post the meaning of agnostic theist.

TenQ:

Exactly the point. Only creatures without a reasonable human level of cognition can lack a belief.

A human being can
1. Doubt a belief system
2. Disbelief a system

A baby cannot even be called an atheist UNTIL his cognitive level becomes reasonable.

In other words my friend, atheism is NOT a LACK of belief as you have been misled to think

This is a faulty conclusion. That one set of things share one characteristic does not mean they share all other characteristic, that is a fallacy. It is like saying because dogs and goats eat therefore humans who eat are not reasonable, you can't use a share characteristic to imply another characteristic.

Humans can lack beliefs or doubt or actively disbelieve, your dichotomy is a false one.

Also your final conclusion is fallacious since your premises are wrong. Atheism is a lack of belief.

TenQ:

Why didn't you define theism as possession of a belief rather than just a belief in a deity?

The opposite of belief is DOUBT! So that in its proper sense atheists are those who DOUBT the existence of God!

Check your English Dictionary:
The antonym of belief is either DISBELIEF or DOUBT and not the play of semantics referred to as LACK of BELIEF!

I'm not the linguist who decided Theism is belief in a deity.
Neither did I decide the definition for atheism.
Theo means deity/god.

Hence Theism mean belief in a deity.
So atheism applies to unbelief in a deity.
General lack of belief is something else. I'm sure there's a word for that too.

As for the opposite of belief, it's unbelief.
Doubt and disbelief are close relations to unbelief.

TenQ:

What you need isn't money. What you need is a self examination and stillness!
In the quietness, you'll find your path

You can't help me



You should have said that a long time ago

TenQ:

Goats and Dogs lack awareness or belief about any Deity. Are atheists also like them?

Nobody has awareness of any deity.......as for lacking beliefs.... the term 'atheist' is for humans.

TenQ:

All here perfectly said:
Although I doubt if the core atheist will agree with you that atheism is a state of disbelief. They will rather want to use the vague term of "lack of belief".

A disbelief is a logical or mental or emotional rejection of a belief system.

In other words, without a belief system, there cannot be a disbelief.

A lack of belief is a state in which there is no subject of belief on ground in the first place. This state is possible only in total ignorance.

Example: A goat or a dog lacks a belief in any deity.

Hence the goat or dog is also atheist. It has no knowledge of god nor any belief in a god.

If any creature believes in god then it is theist
Likewise if a creature doesnt believe in god it is atheist

Myer:

Hence the goat or dog is also atheist. It has no knowledge of god nor any belief in a god.

If any creature believes in god then it is theist
Likewise if a creature doesnt believe in god it is atheist

Whao!
I can't believe the appropriateness of your comment!
Atheists in the same class as animals? No way!

HellVictorinho3:




Nobody has awareness of any deity.......as for lacking beliefs.... the term 'atheist' is for humans.

Awareness of knowledge. Is it possible to explain the concept of a deity to an animal?

HellVictorinho3:



You can't help me



You should have said that a long time ago

I've been helping you but what you want is money. I don't know you well enough to do that please. Understand!

hupernikao:


They were taught.

The primary role of a prophet is not as you see it falsely displayed today. Primary role of a prophet is to teach God's word. And you will see that evident in all the OT prophets. They taught so that men will believe.

Moses, is a central example. He was a teacher of the word. His teaching was the basis of every other writings in the Bible. That's to let you know how much he taught.

That is the primary role of a prophet. God's spokesman is to teach oracle of God. Other things are secondary.


So those in the OT were taught and have access to the teaching of God's Word through their prophets.

No one just believe in the bible sense. Believing in itself is a product of knowledge. Knowing who or what you believe.

And faith is a product of faithfulness which in itself comes from a proper knowledge, a knowing of the person or things.

Bible is an embodiment of teaching that provides knowledge of God's faithfulness thereby persuading you to have faith in him.

The 5 fold ministry has it's different roles.

The prophet reveals the mind/will/mysteries of and from God.
The teacher is the one who teaches the word of God.
The evangelist preaches the gospel.

Biblically people developed knowledge and faith in God in 3 ways;
1. By direct revelation/hearing from God either through dreams or theophanies (appearance of God or an angel)
Abraham and Moses heard directly from God hence they believed.
Jacob had a dream about God at Luz before he also believed.
The apostles saw Jesus directly before the believed in him.

2. By evangelism. By someone preaching to you about God. Now those who operate in the evangelistic ministry have the advantage of being used prophetically or as teachers but they are primarily evangelists.

3. But being born into a religion. All Jews were expected to believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

Myer:


I'm not the linguist who decided Theism is belief in a deity.
Neither did I decide the definition for atheism.
Theo means deity/god.

Hence Theism mean belief in a deity.
So atheism applies to unbelief in a deity.
General lack of belief is something else. I'm sure there's a word for that too.

As for the opposite of belief, it's unbelief.
Doubt and disbelief are close relations to unbelief.

I think that you can see the logical stupidity of those who define atheism as a LACK of BELIEF!

Atheism can be a Disbelief, Doubt, Unbelief in any deity.

There is a play on words so as to prevent the scrutiny of the definition of atheism interestingly by people who should understand the language better.

TenQ:

Whao!
I can't believe the appropriateness of your comment!
Atheists in the same class as animals? No way!

I expected this base and unintelligent response.
But I decided to bait you into it just to gauge your iq.

Scientifically living things exhibit several characteristics. This should remind you of MRNIGERD.

So using comparison between living things as an insult only depicts unintelligence.

Eg Animal moves, does that mean that movement of humans is supposed to be derogatory?
Animals breath, perhaps you should stop breathing.
Animals feed, let's see how long you last without food.
Animals respond to stimuli, I'm sure you are already deciding your reaction to my response.

So me alluding the word atheism to animals or any other living creature is something that should make an intelligent mind see beyond insult but observation.

If an animal is trained to believe in god then it would likewise be theist. Perhaps that means theists are also animals?

TenQ:

I think that you can see the logical stupidity of those who define atheism as a LACK of BELIEF!

Atheism can be a Disbelief, Doubt, Unbelief in any deity.

There is a play on words so as to prevent the scrutiny of the definition of atheism interestingly by people who should understand the language better.

I think at this point you should write to the queen if England and teach them their own language.

I'm done sir.

LordReed:


This is a faulty conclusion. That one set of things share one characteristic does not mean they share all other characteristic, that is a fallacy. It is like saying because dogs and goats eat therefore humans who eat are not reasonable, you can't use a share characteristic to imply another characteristic.

Humans can lack beliefs or doubt or actively disbelieve, your dichotomy is a false one.

Also your final conclusion is fallacious since your premises are wrong. Atheism is a lack of belief.

Only babies can lack a belief and the reason is obvious. The concept of deity get formed after some level of cognition is built in a child.

Why are you scared or apprehensive of the replacement of "lack of belief" with the proper antonym words like Disbelief, Doubt, Unbelief: knowing that these are the exact opposite of belief?

Could it be that the use of the words lack of BELIEF is calculated to do something else?

Will you agree that anyone/anything that cannot reason will lack a belief?

A lack of belief stems from lack of cognition.

Let me ask you a question:
Do you believe or lack a belief in akokuja?
Please tell the truth?

LordReed:


Post the meaning of agnostic theist.

Agnostic-theist:
A person who believe that nothing is known nor can be know about the nature of God or His existence YET taking measures (usually in form of adopting a religion or trying to be good) incase his position is wrong.