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jimmynauty:
So man is the crown of evolutionary standard?

No.

ratiken:
Atheism is too diversified to fit into a simple spectrum. Most atheist agree that there is a force behind creation and everything surrounding our existence but do not agree with the narrative or attempts by religious organisations to fit or describe that force to the bible or Koran definition of God.

Pls by most, can you give a percentage?

Havertz10:
the observable universe is vast, we have understood it's workings, it's why we send robots to other planets, it's length and breadth isn't even quantifiable because at the end of the day, there is no up or down, that perspective only functions on earth, like minded people are striving to understand the universe, so we can conquer it and explore its galaxies but religious people are cowards holding back civilization

You religious people are plainly cowards, you all suspect that religion is a ruse because how else can you explain sin, if you truly believe that there is a god and he could return at any moment, you wouldn't be able to commit sin, talkless of taking that eternally deadly risk of commiting a sin and planning to beg for forgiveness in the future

Eternity is forever they say, why then are your prayer requests 99% of the time seeking earthly benefits, if I was a devout Christian, I would be looking forward to my death with glee but na una shout jesus pass anytime small accident happen, you believe that paradise awaits you but prefer to remain here suffering

Your pastors orchestrate emotional ponzi schemes, miracles and testimonies to keep you invested


They also encourage you to keep reading from the same book and cultivating cult like doctrines to keep the critical parts of your mind subdued, coronavirus has exposed how stupid and malleable these pastors have made people, thankfully insults and rejections of religious opinions are on the rise and hopefully one day christianity and Islam will decline into the same level of recognition as babalawo and juju

The whole thing is comical but i understand how you feel that's why I called it cowardice because what's the alternative? There is nothing everything has to mean something, you have to mean something in the grand scheme of things, we are supposed to be special, that's why we are self aware, there has to be someone out there, a big man

you have to wake up because there is no man, we are alone, at atomic level, you and the earth are relatives, and it's not hard to understand these things, subjects like particle physics are exciting, they break down the foundational blocks of the universe down to comprehensible bits, Higgs boson alone is fascinating, there is quantum mechanics, the depth of intellectual knowledge available today is astonishing, anybody still deluded by religion is a burden on the furtherance of human advancement



When I first shunned christianity, my uncle told me about pascal's wager

He said, what if there is actually a god, isn't it better to just worship him on earth in case, christianity is not hard, you can sin and beg, god will forgive

I told him that god is a fool for creating such a pointless system of retribution, even if, of which I know that there isn't an afterlife, why would I want to spend eternity worshiping some low self esteem, egomaniac that created people to worship himself, was he lacking love? Is he lonely? why does an almighty need adoration? most christian songs are pathetic the eternal, absolute, submissiveness that you people declare I give myself away conscious slavery simply because you are promised goodies here and beyond if you bow down the alternative is hell fire burning people alive repeatedly because they refused to obey and worship you he also gives you freewill after impeding first it with knowledge of both scenarios and guilting you with the supposed ceremonial death of his beloved son which is also him

If god is real, he is an obsessive, narcissistic psychopath

it's not enough that he is unimaginably manipulative, he also allows billions to die unnecessarily in a poorly designed universe, see his best work, humans, for ordinary food to go from meat in your mouth to become atp that your cells use, the amount of work required to accomplish that process is barbaric it's this need for plenty biological machinery that overworks our cells and leds to it's eventual demise, very poor optimization

Ordinary car engine with thousands of moving parts has a limit of 200k miles

Talkless of humans with trillions of biological operations in our body

there is no big man, we are alone bro better wake up and structure your life to contribute to the advancement of equitable benefits to human life and well being, all these things you are enjoying today, na people think am, do the maths to create them, you religious people have swallow, imaginary depths because the foundation of your understanding of reality is flawed

At atomic level, everything is the same

Our inherent flaws are similar to the ones in the universe, we are all one and the same, you are a temporal congregation of atomic particles bounded by forces of the universe, self aware of it's own existence and its surrounding

Entropy is the real mvp here not your man made god. humans are biologically flawed, the universe is aggregately flawed, complex congregations of atomic machines that have formed in the grand scheme of things randomly, it's very clear that there wasn't any intelligent mind behind anything

Have heard this rhetoric of bitterness at an imaginery god over and over.

Tomorrow another...

LordReed:
LMFAO! So the god is a liar now. The god says whatsoever you pray for in no less than 3 places but sure some other scripture makes your god a liar. Bwahahahahaha! OMFD!

Little wonder you remain confused as ever or even more than ever about God, the Bible and being a Christian. You can't be more catholic than the pope reed, you can't claim to understand God or the Bible more than the people that follow it and claim that it works for them. You need to know, because it is those that KNOW God that will be strong and do exploits. All you are doing is like video editors who just pick different sections that suit their fancy and join it together, cutting out large parts for their own reasons.
We that know God and know that God answers prayers and have seen God answer prayers are the ones you should pay attention to. Pay attention to Peter, to Paul, to the Word of God, you are obviously paying attention to yourself. The people that God directly told the things you are saying have a different understanding of it from you, no wonder they have different result and relationship.

The Matthew 16 you quoted, Peter was the one directly spoken to and he immediately tried binding and losing Jesus in verse 22. Thank God that he got to know that it doesn't work that way. May you also get to know. Matthew 18 that you quoted, if you read the whole chapter, you would see the promise was premised on things like unity and forgiveness and verse 35 was very specific about what happens to those who do not forgive, they don't get their desires for example. The John that you quoted came with his brother and mother to worship and desire whatsoever from Jesus, they did not get it. Thank God that they got to know that it doesn't work the way you feel. If you choose to, you can stay stumped on where you are and never get anything done. It is your choice. The scriptures clearly teach those who study it that God is not a button, He is God. Ask Paul, and Epaphroditus, and Peter and Timothy, and James. Read the fine print before running, it's got lots.

LordReed:
No.

Why and said by who?

jimmynauty:
Why and said by who?

Because evolution is always ongoing, there is no "crown". Said by the theory of evolution.

Image123:
Little wonder you remain confused as ever or even more than ever about God, the Bible and being a Christian. You can't be more catholic than the pope reed, you can't claim to understand God or the Bible more than the people that follow it and claim that it works for them. You need to know, because it is those that KNOW God that will be strong and do exploits. All you are doing is like video editors who just pick different sections that suit their fancy and join it together, cutting out large parts for their own reasons.
We that know God and know that God answers prayers and have seen God answer prayers are the ones you should pay attention to. Pay attention to Peter, to Paul, to the Word of God, you are obviously paying attention to yourself. The people that God directly told the things you are saying have a different understanding of it from you, no wonder they have different result and relationship.

The Matthew 16 you quoted, Peter was the one directly spoken to and he immediately tried binding and losing Jesus in verse 22. Thank God that he got to know that it doesn't work that way. May you also get to know. Matthew 18 that you quoted, if you read the whole chapter, you would see the promise was premised on things like unity and forgiveness and verse 35 was very specific about what happens to those who do not forgive, they don't get their desires for example. The John that you quoted came with his brother and mother to worship and desire whatsoever from Jesus, they did not get it. Thank God that they got to know that it doesn't work the way you feel. If you choose to, you can stay stumped on where you are and never get anything done. It is your choice. The scriptures clearly teach those who study it that God is not a button, He is God. Ask Paul, and Epaphroditus, and Peter and Timothy, and James. Read the fine print before running, it's got lots.

LMFAO! Very simply, whatsoever doesn't include all diseases or its not a guarantee is what you are saying.

marylandcakes:
The greatest injustice done to Africans is brainwashing and enslavement by way of religion.

I dislike this mindset ..rascism

Africa was never Africa until the white man called it..

So what was this continent before then..

Our firebear had been all religious and indoctrinated.

Stop been dumb

CeoMYN:
Lol... Are you speaking for Atheists?

Speak for them..athiest .....

jimmynauty:
I dislike this mindset ..rascism

Africa was never Africa until the white man called it..

So what was this continent before then..

Our firebear had been all religious and indoctrinated.

Stop been dumb

Who is talking about racism?

Maybe you should learn to read properly and fully comprehend before making comments.

And the word you want is “being “ not “been” but I wouldn’t use your own words on you.

You can also learn to express yourself without the insults, we all have different opinions, that’s why this is a forum.

BePrepared:
Atheists actually look downward.

Theists believe they're from God, the supreme being, atheist believe they are from Chimps and apes, something lower than man.

Pity.

I join you to pity less than apes

marylandcakes:
Who is talking about racism?

Maybe you should learn to read properly and fully comprehend before making comments.

And the word you want is “being “ not “been” but I wouldn’t use your own words on you.

You can also learn to express yourself without the insults, we all have different opinions, that’s why this is a forum.

I dislike the mindset, opinion that rationalize that Africa we're blinded by white man religious nonsense when in fact this continent had BEEN religious all along.

LordReed:
Because evolution is always ongoing, there is no "crown". Said by the theory of evolution.

So when will man evolve to something higher?

jimmynauty:
So when will man evolve to something higher?

Evolution does not have hierarchies so there is no "higher" evolution. In any case there is no way to know when definitively since it is always ongoing. Humanity is changing as we speak but it is so slow, glacially slow. Take for instance average human height has been increasing for some centuries now but if you just took a sampling now you might not notice the difference.

Havertz10:
its called mass delusion, billions of people believing in something doesn't make it real, money is an illusion but the entire world believes that it's real and that gives it's functionality a feel of realness but decorated paper will always be fundamentally decorated paper no matter how hard you try to spin it.

Yet one of your own has pointed out most of your kind believes in a FORCE not god, Allah..so mass delusion too pervades amongst you I guess..?

ratiken:
I know some of the responses are shocking.... I know... this is Nairaland.

But think again, the scales are falling off the eyes of African youths. An improvement in African economy might be the death knell to these religions as you know them.

If I might suggest, seek spirituality and quit religion. Use Christianity as the means to explore your inner energies. Be objective enough to sieve out the rubbish that don't align with common sense and natural laws.
Let the Jewish, the Muslim, ye Buddhists, the traditionalist seek his spirituality his way..... these are are all means to experiencing our inner energies and truly none is superior.

Love one another, help the poor, best way to recieve is to give, do not offend others, do not cheat or kill or harm another. These are natural laws not tied to any religion and our consciences align on these across human existence.

Organised religion has ambiguities all over it that you cannot explain it away without sounding stupid

When you say "spirituality", do you mean quantum physics?

LordReed:
Evolution does not have hierarchies so there is no "higher" evolution. In any case there is no way to know when definitively since it is always ongoing. Humanity is changing as we speak but it is so slow, glacially slow. Take for instance average human height has been increasing for some centuries now but if you just took a sampling now you might not notice the difference.

I accept micro evolving but reject other evolution..app to man theory.

1Sharon:
Why is god not saving his people from those disasters?

Why has intelligent man not repeatedly controlled nature since god is a delusion?

jimmynauty:
I accept micro evolving but reject other evolution..app to man theory.

That is because you don't realise that "micro evolving" is the first step. All the products of evolution are a grand summation of all the "micro evolving" that has occurred over MILLIONS of years.

Franking:
Anyone who says God exists isn't smart.

There's no God anywhere.

Just like there is no quantum physics anywhere

jimmynauty:
Why has intelligent man not repeatedly controlled nature since god is a delusion?

Are you equating man to your god?

LordReed:
LMFAO! Very simply, whatsoever doesn't include all diseases or its not a guarantee is what you are saying.

It has many conditions and experience attached. It clearly doesn't mean all sickness will be healed otherwise Jesus Christ will not tell His disciples that they will have trouble or that sickness will continue until the new Earth. They or we will have just asked in the "whatsoever" you refer to. Neither Jesus nor they(the early disciples) nor any serious Bible student understands it in the way you want it.

Image123:
It has many conditions and experience attached. It clearly doesn't mean all sickness will be healed otherwise Jesus Christ will not tell His disciples that they will have trouble or that sickness will continue until the new Earth. They or we will have just asked in the "whatsoever" you refer to. Neither Jesus nor they(the early disciples) nor any serious Bible student understands it in the way you want it.

Lemme reiterate what your question was:

The Omnipotent didn't promise you to heal all your sickness, did He?

Your question wasn't "did the god promise to always heal all sicknesses". This is a different question as it introduces a factor other than the nature of the disease itself. Your initial question asks if all diseases were promised to be healed while now you are saying there are conditions necessary to be fulfilled for the healing to take place.

BTW where did Jesus tell his disciples that sickness will continue until the new Earth?

1Sharon:
Are you equating man to your god?

The earth is YHWH's, and the fulness thereof; the world, and they that dwell therein.

 2  For he hath founded it upon the seas, and established it upon the floods.
ps24:1-2

The heaven, even the heavens, are YHWH's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.
ps115

LordReed:
That is because you don't realise that "micro evolving" is the first step. All the products of evolution are a grand summation of all the "micro evolving" that has occurred over MILLIONS of years.

Gen 1:14 And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Martinez39s:
I hope you accurately informed him on what atheism is. An atheist is someone who lacks belief in a supreme deity (or deities) in the same we all lack belief in unicorns, werewolves, vampires, dragons, a ceramic teapot at the centre of Neptune containing immortal fairies, etc.

This lack of belief primarily stems from the fact that there are no irrefutable evidences or sound arguments for the existence of all the religious gods known to man. Incalculable and obvious discrepancies (in logic and evidence) emerge when you carefully compare observed reality with that of the holy books. Atheists lack belief because there is no good and convincing reason to believe.

I find this facetious and inane; ludicrous and disappointing. Either you gave your son the impression that atheists are angry partisans and that Johnydon22 was coming from a place of wanton and inexplicable hostility and anger or your son is really just as dumb as you are on this issue. After all, he is a chip off the old block.

Johnydon22 was clearly not upset or angry at your son feeling the way he felt, neither did he imply that your son never had the right to have felt how he wanted. All Johnydon22 did was simply point out the logical flaws of your son's argument; nothing more, nothing less. To imply otherwise is to let emotions get the upper hand instead of logic; it is strawmanning at its finest. It comes as no surprise that a grown man who sees mere disagreement or unfavourable take as indirectly bullying, hostility or anger would birth a son that would strawman Johnydon22's honest take in the manner he did. Your son takes after you, and both of you are thinking alike in the same lamentable fashion. Johnydon22's take remains valid and it is something anyone with an average IQ can grasp.

The whole ritual preceding the immense nonsense that came out of your son's mouth will surely amaze you since you both carry the same genes and esteem each other to be very sound in mind. The blind is leading the blind and they are making a great fool of themselves.

His question is not by any means profound. It shows he didn't even understand Johnydon22's post. I could have suggest rereading the post, but it would be futile. Like father, like son. Good night.

Interesting contradiction.

jimmynauty:
Interesting contradiction.

What contradiction are you referring to?

Tetehjewels:
Of course you wouldn't believe because you haven't seen him. How typical to chalk everything under a convenient "lie" due to your own limitations and not mine

If our anonymous nature shows we exist tho Unseen ...how much more the unseen

jimmynauty:
Gen 1:14 And Elohim said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

TemmyT002:
You people never thought about the fact that there are millions of species yet to be found. So many things humans still understand.
Yet you think you are wise to know about your own creator. Are you freaking kidding me?
You are a nobody. Your opinion doesn't matter to that creator.

I love how it sounds when you speak on behalf of the ‘supposed’ creators.

Martinez39s:
What contradiction are you referring to?

Is your definition of athiesm standard?

LordReed:
Lemme reiterate what your question was:

The Omnipotent didn't promise you to heal all your sickness, did He?

Your question wasn't "did the god promise to always heal all sicknesses". This is a different question as it introduces a factor other than the nature of the disease itself. Your initial question asks if all diseases were promised to be healed while now you are saying there are conditions necessary to be fulfilled for the healing to take place.

BTW where did Jesus tell his disciples that sickness will continue until the new Earth?

Yes, God did not promise you to heal all sicknesses. We've also reviewed where you think that He said so and showed that neither He nor those He spoke to think(s) that He said so. It is not just what i am NOW saying, it is written in the Bible. Good Bible students rightly divide the Word of truth, others just make whatever the want of it. The answer to your question is in Revelation 21v1,4.