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MaxInDHouse:
Now let me enlighten you!

First let's travel back to the first century when Jesus got baptized by John. Before this time two Jewish zealots have come claiming they are the Messiah but both of them died in the struggle and all their followers were forgotten {Act 5:36-37} these are the ones Jesus later referred to as thieves that came before him! John 10:8
So no doubt the nation has been expecting the Messiah (Christ) but what is the evidence that Jesus of Nazareth is the Messiah?

Note how Nathaniel debunked Jesus when his brother Philip first mentioned "Jesus of Nazareth" {John 1:45-46} surely Jesus needs to present his credentials as the true Messiah.

Even John the baptist was confused after his arrest expecting Jesus to come and deliver him from prison after all Jesus is the Messiah who will rule in righteousness {Isaiah 9:7} so he sent his disciples to ask if Jesus is the real Messiah {Matthew 11:2-3} did Jesus do what John was expecting? Naaaaaaaaaaaaa!
Jesus only told John's disciples to go back and tell John about the fulfilment of prophecies regarding the promised Messiah {Matthew 11:4-6} Note what Jesus used to end his response to John's question:

"Blessed is anyone who does not stumble on account of me." Matthew 11:6 NIV

Jesus said this to warn John not to be stumbled due to wrong expectations the way most Jews were stumbled.

Now My Point!

Jehovah's Witnesses have presented their own group as the one and only organization having Jesus' backing and the fulfilment of Bible prophecy pointing to what God's people will be doing during the final part of the days {Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3} so if you truly appreciate God's inspired word instead of supporting the idea that it's incomplete why not ask for any other PERFORMING GROUP and let them present their achievements in harmony with the prophecy regarding the final part of the days?

tctrills:
Yes, we would discuss other groups but there is a time and a thread for everything. We are currently discussing the scripture. Since I have been discussing with you, this is one of the few topics where you have not attempted to answer my questions instead you want to divert into another topic. I really wish you had a senior colleague who could answer simple questions.

MaxInDHouse:
Hilarious!
This was exactly the same thing you said the last time we had a lengthy conversation!
You've been asking questions since but this time i just ask one question and here you failed to answer!

Well let me ask again but this time try not to be emotional instead go straight to what you want to emphasize with that lengthy epistle.

What exactly is your point?

God failed to monitor His own message which was authored to save mankind.

God missed some of his inspired writings while humans took charge if it's compilation.

God wants mankind to wait until he comes to reveal more info for the salvation of mankind.

Please you may present your own point if none of the three fittingly describe your write-up!

MaxInDHouse:
They're all around you my friend, just ask anyone in your neighbourhood about Jehovah's Witnesses and then go ahead with your questions.
But before you do note that we have a target and special kind of people we are searching for {Matthew 10:6} so you must try to be specific with what you intend to do with the answer otherwise my brothers and sisters will just leave you and go for those who are hungry and thirsty for PURE WORSHIP. Those ones only need to see the fulfilment of Bible prophecies and the group performing in harmony with the prophecies. Once they see the fulfilment they will kneel and beg for where their brothers are meetings for PURE WORSHIP!

tctrills:
This question is very shallow, you know why? this same argument can be made in defense of any scripture. This same argument can be made in defense of even the 6&7 Books of Moses.

Again you claim that the Church of God was lost until 1914, did God fail to monitor His own message which was authored to save mankind.

Now to answer your question
God did not fail he just did not put all his words in one book. So we have the Bible with 66 books and we continue to get his words from other books and other sources. Now I have answered your question are you willing to attempt mine?

tctrills:
I am seeking one who is above your level and who has answers. I mean a better markerter.

MaxInDHouse:
NO! You haven't answered my question SATISFACTORILY!

If the Bible is not the complete message God wants mankind to assimilate then how can there be one religion as prophesied in the Bible {Zephaniah 3:9} remember Jesus prayed for God's people to have the same line of thought {John 17:20-23} and Apostles Paul admonished his fellow believers to do just so.
Now can you explain how possible is that when the books that will guide God's people is not compiled in one volume?

MaxInDHouse:
Good!
So go in search of them perhaps their response will be MORE INTERESTING than mine!

tctrills:
The bible is just 66 books not all the Word of God. God never referred to the bible as all his word. Yes, God's people should have the same line of thought that is correct but we never learned that the same line of thought is in only 66 books. The Catholics have the Apocryphal yet they all have the same line of thoughts. The Latter-day Saints have the book of Mormon yet they all have the same line of thoughts. The entire Christain world has the bible yet we don't have the same line of thoughts so even having a common bible does not guarantee the same line of thoughts. have I answered your questions? Can you now begin to answer mine one by one?

Let me give you an example with the latter-day saints, they have many different scriptures yet they believe the same things. so having many volumes does not pose any prolem for them.

tctrills:
i have answered your simple questions. if you have more I would answer. do you want me to ask you mine one at a time so you can also answer? I was even kind enough to give you examples

tctrills:
Yes, we would discuss other groups but there is a time and a thread for everything. We are currently discussing the scripture. Since I have been discussing with you, this is one of the few topics where you have not attempted to answer my questions instead you want to divert into another topic. I really wish you had a senior colleague who could answer simple questions.

I really wish you had a senior colleague who could answer simple questions.

For your information, God's word warned us not to engage APOSTATES (ExJWs) because in within their hearts they're feeling tensed over what they're loosing but facially they pretend as if all is well. It's when we are chatting that the real person inside them becomes obvious. So are you now one of those who feel like hurting your neighbour because of his faith?

MaxInDHouse:
I think we have to leave this thread for your friends and continue our discussion elsewhere because you haven't answered my question SATISFACTORILY!

Having the same line of thought means a lot not just the dogma of a religion.
For instance Jesus' followers are to love their neighbours as themselves {Mark 10:31} but they must love their fellow believers just as Jesus loves each of them {John 13:34-35} now only Jehovah's Witnesses are practicing these two laws. HOW? They must sacrifice their time to go visiting people in their neighbourhood (uninvited) just because they have to practice the love Jesus showed his neighbours back in the first century. And what about the love for their fellow believers? Everyone throughout the earth knows that JWs have love among themselves. That is the EVIDENCE of oneness of thought not dogmas!

MaxInDHouse:
My friend, you already know that your friend whose comments you find INTERESTING can't answer your questions SATISFACTORILY, and you have the option of going for his superiors.
So there's no need wasting your PRECIOUS time with someone who can't answer your questions since you have better chances of getting what you want!

tctrills:
This is a forum, it's an open place for all unless you want to discuss on Whatsapp which I am not open to. But then, let me answer you this one time. The 66 books of the bible did not lead to the oneness you talk about. 90% of churches out there use these 66 books and they are not one. hence oneness is not about the number of the volumes of materials you use. Also, in the past, I have shown you churches with similar beliefs to yours. These are churches that share the same 66 books and like you, they are against politics and war yet you are not one with them. So the argument that having only 66 books brings about unity holds no water. Does this not answer your question 100%?

tctrills:
you seem to be uncomfortable with achorladey. My people say the truth fears no accusation. If you are confident of yourself, you shouldn't be afraid of anyone.

tctrills:
you seem to be uncomfortable with achorladey. My people say the truth fears no accusation. If you are confident of yourself, you shouldn't be afraid of anyone.

MaxInDHouse:
The GB are the representatives of our God and through them we are connected to Jesus Christ the King.
That's our belief whether anyone accept or not it will never change. Acholardey will not agree with that so he's always criticizing whatever our GB does despite knowing that without them we are not related to anyone in faith.
As long as you're not ready to OBEY the GB then you can't be a worshiper of our own God.

So i told him to go and worship with his fellow believers since he will not obey our GB, but he wants to claim we are on the same page, that's why i asked him:
Are we worshiping the same God?
Please what do you expect from a SANE human who has always criticize whatever our GB does?
YES or NO

The GB are the representatives of our God and through them we are connected to Jesus Christ the King

That's our belief whether anyone accept or not it will never change

Acholardey will not agree with that so he's always criticizing whatever our GB does despite knowing that without them we are not related to anyone in faith

As long as you're not ready to OBEY the GB then you can't be a worshiper of our own God

So i told him to go and worship with his fellow believers since he will not obey our GB, but he wants to claim we are on the same page

that's why i asked him:
Are we worshiping the same God

Please what do you expect from a SANE human who has always criticize whatever our GB does? YES or NO

tctrills:
This is a forum, it's an open place for all unless you want to discuss on Whatsapp which I am not open to. But then, let me answer you this one time. The 66 books of the bible did not lead to the oneness you talk about. 90% of churches out there use these 66 books and they are not one. hence oneness is not about the number of the volumes of materials you use. Also, in the past, I have shown you churches with similar beliefs to yours. These are churches that share the same 66 books and like you, they are against politics and war yet you are not one with them. So the argument that having only 66 books brings about unity holds no water. Does this not answer your question 100%?

achorladey:
Earlier on the thread he was boasting about the +/- 400000 members in Nigeria out of +/- 200 millions of people living in Nigerian. Should that be a milestone to shout on top of the mountain over for 100years, then other Christian religious denominations scattered all over Nigeria should go to heaven and shout it to the ears of everyone since their numbers will be in multiples of theirs equally considering the short span of their existence too .

Emusan:
He even made similar claim that Muslims do make like "There will be peace allover the world when everyone becomes Muslim" according to him "so if everyone in Nigeria is a JW there will be no killings justified by political ambitions!"

Then you will begin to wonder, if they can work hard for 100years with fruitless efforts of just a population of 9,000,000. How long will it take them to dominate the world?

MaxInDHouse:
All books inspired by God has been included that's why those writers were mentioning books that weren't inspired but like history to authenticate the stories so that any of their own people who want to verify the historical accuracy may check those uninspired books.
That's why those ones weren't included!

Emusan:
He even made similar claim that Muslims do make like "There will be peace allover the world when everyone becomes Muslim" according to him "so if everyone in Nigeria is a JW there will be no killings justified by political ambitions!"

Then you will begin to wonder, if they can work hard for 100years with fruitless efforts of just a population of 9,000,000. How long will it take them to dominate the world?

Janosky:
John 17:16, JEHOVAH'S servants " are no part of the world" , & would not in your own words "dominate the world" the world that JEHOVAH said is "passing away",1 John 2:15.

achorladey:
I await what he makes of the screenshots below in this post regarding those books outside the 66 books.

The first image obtained from their publications, the second image is from new world encyclopaedia.

Janosky:
According to Achorladey screenshot,Is Achorladey inspired "Acts of Paul and Thecla" in conflict with the entire 66 books of the Bible on marital sex?

RussellRutherfo:
Research is alien to the average Jehovah witness. I know this organization so well. The Governing Body thinks for you all.


[s]Don't be ridiculous with that stupid false "greatest" claim. Despite 100 of years of false teachings and thousands of false publications put out and withdrawn from public domain by the organization.
They are such a tiny group both on the global stage and on the national stage. It is a proof that Jehovah is not backing them.

JW worldwide=8.5million
JW Nigeria=400,000

Both are not remotely close to 1% of both the total World or Nigeria's population. The organization is actually not making progress for all that years of publishing. Be humble and look at the statistics. In the West, they are get hit with all kinds of exposure both from within and without alongside lawsuits that they are settling with money silently. Africa remains their only hope now and with individuals like me who have awaken to their lies. We will keep spreading the information and in the next 10-20years. You will be shocked with more African ex-JWs that will be coming out boldly. It's gradually happening.
The organization is just like all other false ones.
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Janosky:
According to Achorladey screenshot,Is Achorladey inspired "Acts of Paul and Thecla" in conflict with the entire 66 books of the Bible on marital sex?

Emusan:
Why Acts of Paul and Thecla not part of your books to make it 68 since your organization claimed they are inspired?

He has started beating around the bush

You know you don't have any proof.
Why are you, Emusan LYING as usual?

I don't know who or what tampered with your comprehension skills

Janosky:
The National umbrella body of Your fellow Trinitarian devotees and mentors placed a suspension, a disciplinary measure on your Pastorpreneur who thinks for himself in Gombe State.
You are a bigot, continue DECEIVING yourself !

Janosky:
You know you don't have any proof.
Why are you, Emusan LYING as usual?

I don't know who or what tampered with your comprehension skills