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cornelboy:
Well anyone could make mistake out of overzealousness just like Saul (Paul) who persecuted the church of God.

It's good to loom well before you leap.

oteneaaron:
What you don't know is that Nairaland is field service for MaxInDHouse

He is obviously recording his time on Nairaland as hours to put on his monthly report card.

MaxInDHouse:
See another disturbed unbeliever taking PANADOL on other people's headache!
Instead of dealing with the message it's the messenger they're after!

Emusan:
So you agreed that those date pop out by your founder Charles Taze Russell predecessors are mistakes out of overzealousness not that they actually read it from Bible nor being told by Jehovah.

Yet they attached it to Jehovah as they are directed by Him.

achorladey:
See panadol peddler on nairaland. seeking to sell his usual panadol of better performing group.

Emusan:
So you agreed that those date pop out by your founder Charles Taze Russell predecessors are mistakes out of overzealousness not that they actually read it from Bible nor being told by Jehovah.

Yet they attached it to Jehovah as they are directed by Him.

tctrills:
Never forget Acts 10.43 All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.

Samuel clearly knew about him.
Also, never forget
Revelation's 19.10 For the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.”
Every one of them knew about him.
Don't forget that the same spirit we have now was with them in times of old.
2peter1.21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost

tctrills:
That's my point. Simeon found Christ because he followed the teachings of the prophets. That is the idea of the entire old testament, to led the Jews to Christ. Only very few got the message. Let us not be like the Jews in Jesus time and miss the message of the old testament

cornelboy:
The bible gave what they use for the calculation. But it certainly not from prophecy if you read the history well.

tctrills:
Should we first agree on a definition before going into the scripture

cornelboy:
Actually it's not revelation but what the Bible calls them.
If the bible teaches us they were prophet and calls them prophets good.
Only islam refer to them as prophet. Tell me if you your Muslim. Even Ishmael na prophet. Lot na prophet for them

cornelboy:
It's who the Bible calls prophet i regard as prophet. God spoke to Abraham about things but not Christ.

My English app says ;
(Christianity, Judaism) Any of the prophets mentioned in the Bible, especially an author of one of the Prophets.

cornelboy:
Actually it's not bout English definition but what the Bible calls them.
If the bible teaches us they were prophet and calls them prophets good.

Only islam refer to them as prophet. Tell me if your a Muslim. Even Ishmael na prophet. Lot na prophet for them
Adam sef na prophet.

cornelboy:
Yes he found Jesus when he was baby and died peacefully because go promised he wouldn't die. So he was waiting for the messiah rather than believing in him for the forgiveness of sin.

cornelboy:
There's no need for argument again. I take that as your personal assumption.
They testify or prophesy of Christ is same to me.
Forgiveness of sin isn't same as being born again. Remission of sin through Jesus started after he was sacrified on the cross.
Though killing animal wasn't perfect for forgiveness of sin, the old testament people strictly adhere to the Mosaic law till the time of Jesus and probably till now in Judaism.
This are the fact you would see from the Bible. I don't need to quote verse.

Moses was the first prophet of God and he first talk bout Christ coming. Nothing shows that they (Israel) believed him before he came for their remission or forgiveness of sin be he actually came.

cornelboy:
There's no need for argument again. I take that as your personal assumption.
They testify or prophesy of Christ is same to me.
Forgiveness of sin isn't same as being born again. Remission of sin through Jesus started after he was sacrified on the cross.
Though killing animal wasn't perfect for forgiveness of sin, the old testament people strictly adhere to the Mosaic law till the time of Jesus and probably till now in Judaism.
This are the fact you would see from the Bible. I don't need to quote verse.

Moses was the first prophet of God and he first talk bout Christ coming. Nothing shows that they (Israel) believed him before he came for their remission or forgiveness of sin be he actually came.

Rosement:
If you are not forcing your lies on others, then stop criticizing Christianity. Jesus, the Son is Equal with the Father. This is our belief and we will continue to belief this. You are free to convert if you don't accept. We really don't care, don't expect our doctrines to change because of you.

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I'll address your post base on equality of God and Jesus Christ and I'll address other points later. What does the bible really say?
1 Corinthians 11:3
[3]But there is one thing I want you to know: The head of every man is Christ, the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ is God (the Father).
John 14:28
[28]Remember what I told you: I am going away, but I will come back to you again. If you really loved me, you would be happy that I am going to the Father, who is greater than I am.

Jesus claimed that all authority was given him by the Father. Who's greater the Father or the son? The one who gives or the one who received?


Jesus called Himself God in the Bible.
Revelation 1:8 "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty."

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This is misinterpretation. Pls read the verses again.
Revelation 1:1,8
[1]This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John,
[8]“I am the Alpha and the Omega—the beginning and the end,” says the Lord God. “I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come—the Almighty One.”
Note from verse 1 that it was a revelation from God to Jesus. God gave him the revelation. One YHWH is the Almighty God. Jesus never claimed that.


(John 5:16-23)
17 But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.
18 Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

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Jesus never claimed to be God but God's son.
John 10:36
[36]why do you call it blasphemy when I say, ‘I am the Son of God’? After all, the Father set me apart and sent me into the world. Pls read from verse 30
The Truth is Jesus is a God (mighty one) but not the Almighty GOD that has no beginning.
I'll post you a link later if you want to know what the Hebrew mean when the say God. Hebrew perspective of God. It's so important sister.




Jesus said that He is the son of God, He never said the Son is less than the Father, instead He even explained that the Son is equal with the Father. His dependency on His Father does not mean that He is less than His Father, it only explains the difference between their roles, just like husbands and wives have different roles to perform in their families. The Jews understood what He meant very well that was why they wanted to kill Him.

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When he claimed to be directly from the Father like God is his biological father, why wouldn't they think he was claiming to be God. Won't God give birth to God?
But the fact is a husband has authority over his wife and they actually depend on each other. But God is never dependent on Jesus. Cos everything Jesus have was given to him by the Father.

(John 10:30) "I and my Father are one."
They are not one as God but one in purpose.
John 17:21-22
[21]I pray that they will all be one, just as you and I are one—as you are in me, Father, and I am in you. And may they be in us so that the world will believe you sent me.
[22]“I have given them the glory you gave me, so they may be one as we are one.

The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit are one, they are all equal. It was only when Jesus was in the world that He considered Himself lower than God because He came to the world fully in human form, not in His Godly form.

(Philippians 2)
6. Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7. But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

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He was in the form of God not the Almighty God Himself.
Jesus could claim equality but that would make him a rebellious son to God who made him everything he is. The fact is; in heaven after God is Jesus.


(Matthew 28)
18. And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

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God gave him all powers which shows that God is superior to him.



People have been worshipping Jesus since the time He was born. He wants us to worship Him as God, there are a lot of verses in the Bible where Jesus allowed people to worship Him. Follow your own religion. Bible is for Christians, we will continue to read and believe what will see in our Bible. We don't read the books of other religions, talkless of debating their doctrines or books.

MaxInDHouse:
YES! The $1,000,000,000 question that always makes Apostates cry!

I will never forget brother Fred (an elderly JW i met on Facebook)
Before my encounter with the JWs i always hold the opinion of the intelligence:
"Of all professionals on this planet we are the smartest"
But after i met Jehovah's Witnesses my thoughts changed immediately, because this are humans who just studied a book (Bible) many of them never attended the varsity but they've proved to be the smartest of all people!
Just imagine, you are here 24/7 criticizing a religious group simply because they claim they are the only worshipers of their God just as most religionists also claim.
Then you're going through all their past events to present their errors but their achievements you deliberately concealed.
It still baffles me till now how on earth i (a former agent) failed to figure out such simple and straightforward question old brother Fred gave me as the key to silence you?

Do you know of a better performing group?

Jehovah's Witnesses, my God will continue to bless you guys for locating me!

Do you know of a better performing group?

Just imagine, you are here 24/7 criticizing a religious group simply because they claim they are the only worshipers of their God just as most religionists also claim.

MaxInDHouse:
My brother let them cry as much as they wish!

Brother Charles Taze Russell and his team surely got that calculation accurately but it's what they expected Jesus to do that's their error not the calculation!

Before 1914, there has never been a time when the whole world was engaged in WAR.
There was no religious groups claiming they want to perform miracles like the first century Jewish disciples of Christ.
There was never a group going from house to house and door to door preaching zealously and industriously teaching in all the territories.
There was never a group preaching against racism and politics with efficacy.

Well Jesus surely began his rule in the heavens that year just as Russell and his team figured it out from the scriptures but they failed to know that they still need to gather the other sheep before Jesus brings his kingdom to the earth!
That was their mistake.
Apart from that, Jesus drove out Satan from heaven and immediately Satan and his demons came to the earth, their arrogant spirit affected all politicians handling the world's affairs and that's what led to World War 1 that year!
Afterwards Satan and his demons began entering different religious leaders so that they began performing signs of all sort in years that followed 1914 that's how different sects emerged all in the name of Christ but they keep contradicting themselves because it's demons that are behind all of them!

With all these evidence can anyone deny with scriptures that the year 1914 wasn't a turnaround in the history of mankind?
Well Brother Charles Taze Russell might be an imperfect man but his team truly proved to be like watchmen always AWAKE on the WATCHTOWER!

Watchmen often stay awake watching through the night, and whenever they sight anything approaching they will alert the people regarding what they sighted. Surely Russell and his team saw something that billions living back then never saw but it's the picture they failed to get perfectly and that's why they're imperfect humans.

I will never accuse a watchman for raising alarm after seeing with my own eyes that he truly saw something approaching!

My brother let them cry as much as they wish!

cornelboy:
The bible gave what they use for the calculation. But it certainly not from prophecy if you read the history well.

tctrills:
let's not press on that, Abraham was a patriarch. But he qualified for the kingdom of God. Remember, only those that are born again would see the kingdom

achorladey:
Na from the abundance of your heart panadol, crying peddling all issues forth. See one of your cry since three years ago
You cannot stop crying about this, the reason you have to keep peddling panadol over it. After all when crying of nature such too much tendency to have head and mental ache go happen
Just imagine I am are here 24/7 and my post over the years is not even up to 1/4 of yours and you keep running from apostate spotted to insane to I am through with you to comeback to excuse to talk again and the cycle keep repeating itself. You kept coming back to discuss with me. Yet you said you have silenced me.
Do you even know how many times you ran away with your MR I AM THROUGH WITH YOU only to come back.
Do you know how many times you ran away with your insanity peddling only to come back
I wonder how your mind and memory process your own words sometimes?

achorladey:
Is it in your Bible that Jerusalem was destroyed in 607 B. C. E.
The 1914 you dey carry about is based on 607 bce foundation.
I want to see what the Bible gave in what they use for the calculation.

MaxInDHouse:
1914 was accurate!
Just as the time Messiah would first appear was accurately 29 c.e. in the first century.
But just as many didn't get Jesus' program back then is what happened to his 21st century followers.
They thought it's time to leave the earth but they must see to the gathering of the other sheep first.
No matter how you try to complicate issues, intelligent Bible students knew the difference between misconception and miscalculation!

MaxInDHouse:
So reproduction that all creatures do still makes some people run up and down!

Well having children means nothing to me lots of God's friends never had a child but they all knew the truth that pagans don't know!

MaxInDHouse:
So reproduction that all creatures do still makes some people run up and down!

Well having children means nothing to me lots of God's friends never had a child but they all knew the truth that pagans don't know!

oteneaaron:
Oga do your research.
Jerusalem was actually destroyed in 537 CE.
And not in 607 CE as promoted by the JW organization.
This alone destroys the calculation that ends up in 1914.
Have you heard about the "great disappointment"
Do Your Research!!!!

Rosement:
Another testimony, a jw member was pained because he was not promoted but instead a Christian brother was promoted to the position he was eyeing. He felt he deserved the position. You should have understood what I am saying by now, you know the way you jws use to claim you are the best with just empty words and nothing to show. He kept insisting he is the best but you couldn't provide any prove, he was just criticising the responsible christian brother that was promoted. He must have know he did not deserve the promotion but he felt he could have his way but disagreeing, criticising and insulting others.

What was he even thinking, that the company's policy will change just because of him? Most companies only promotes eligible and diligent staffs not incompetent and incapable staff. He was not even the five best staff but he self-proclaimed himself as the best. His boss had to shut him up and ask him to leave if he is no longer interested in working.

He was known to be proud, he was always disturbing others and most staffs had noticed his rudeness and pride before then, they were just tolerating him because they are responsible and cultured. That is the same way, we Christians are tolerating jws because we are responsible and cultured. The shameless guy could not even resign, he had no choice but to bow.

MaxInDHouse:
Bearing children, getting or securing jobs has nothing to do with FAITH!
So learn to know what keeps faithful people going first before thinking of how to argue!

Rosement:
But faithful people don't bear bad fruits, they are not criticists, hypocrites and nosy people.

MaxInDHouse:
Just calm down and learn to know what keeps faithful servants of God going first instead of arguing about people who never had faith at all.
In the Bible there were servants of God who never had children and many were even poor materially speaking but they lived by faith.
So Jehovah's Witnesses don't make testimonies about any of what you mentioned rather what interests us is how much you're able to do in the work Jesus commissioned.

Even if you had no child nor material possessions like Jesus so far you're able to do much in the field ministry Jehovah's Witnesses will see you as a fine example.
For your information none of our leaders (Governing Body) have children because Jesus, Paul, and many other faithful BORN AGAIN brothers of Christ never thought of children!