waldigit:

It shows you are not open to truth because you didn't bother to watch the video. That man is not a pastor. Watch the video then comment after.

The truth is we cannot test anything in that video.
How can we test that testimony to be true under a controlled condition?

spartan117:
The idea that microscopic organisms existed was a big fallacy before a microscope was discovered. But did that negate their existence?

The device with which you used to type this, the software that powers this forum, the Lamborghini's, Bugattis and Rolls Royce of this world were designed by someone right?
So why do you assume that the sun, the moon, the earth, the trees, the continents and the oceans as perfect as they seem don't have a designer?

Looking at the precision in the design of nature itself, the programming of the earth to revolve around the the sun and rotate around it's axis bringing day and night and seasonal changes at a specific period of time is enough to tell you that it was designed by someone. Something can never come from nothing, everything made was made by someone.

I belief it's because of all this that the Bible concluded that it will take a fool to say there is no God

I see people design cars, software, houses, etc all the time so I have evidence that someone indeed designed those things but I have yet to see anyone designing suns, moons, seasonal changes and all that so what evidence do you now present that they are designed? Not only that we can see suns forming out in space and there is nobody there with giant vehicles putting a sun together so again where is the evidence of a designer? All we see are natural processes occuring so is nature a designer? If humans by advances in technology become able to start a sun would they be gods then?

SWATMan:


The universe has never and would never be in choas. It's creator is a Supreme Intelligence Who's wisdom surpasses Human understanding. If it is in choas as you mentioned, how many times have you gone to bed and the sun did not rise in the morning. All the issues you listed above Black Hole etc are part of the complex system in our universe helping it to function. Just as science has not been able to pin down the actual function(s) of the appendix in the human body does not make it useless.
Helinues this is not politics or Nigeria contemporary issues that you are well known for in nairaland this is a case of a man who was born into a religion or belief coming out to tell us he has arrived. Religion they say "evolved out of man's fear of the unknown" Every civilisation even before the rise of the 3 Abrahamic religion believes in the existence of a god or God. There are many religion in the world today hence, that chap should not come here and expose his ignorance. Atheism is usually found among people who are spiritually sick that requires an inner healing of the soul. Just as a psychotic individual needs help before his actions betray his personality so does an atheist.

What does spiritually sick mean? When we ask how you know you'll start chewing both sides of your mouth spewing gibberish.

waldigit:

To start with let me let you be informed that God is no longer idea in the like of empirical evidence domain. I don't know wether you are familiar with science but if you are, please pay attention to works of inventors such as Necolas Tesla, Rodin and Gerald.
Surveillance cameras these days have captured evidences beyond reasonable doubt that non physical reality exist. NDE testimonies from humans who were clinically certified dead by credible medical records provided us with proofs. Many of them were renowned physicists, surgeons, and Atheist.
Space and aerospace technologies are providing shocking details of our universe confirming biblical truths. Get online and listen to testimonies of experts who were once unbelivers. One of them was an inventor of microchips.
Bible says and I agree that: Heavens declare the glory of God and firmament shows his handiwork. Day until day utters speach, night until night shows knowledge.
God is outside space and time, so He is not exactly like man, even though he created man in his own his image and likeness.
I am a science student and it has helped me to appreciate and love to know more about phenomenon of God.
The present age of AI has greatly helped by providing empirical confirmation of existence of God.
I appeal to you to give Jesus a trial and let him reveal God to you. This has nothing to do with religion.

Yet another god believer will come and declare that there is no empirical evidence for a god. Meanwhile please show us the video surveillance cameras caught of non-physical reality and what are the scientific discoveries out in space that confirm the bible?

SWATMan:


The universe has never and would never be in choas. It's creator is a Supreme Intelligence Who's wisdom surpasses Human understanding. If it is in choas as you mentioned, how many times have you gone to bed and the sun did not rise in the morning. All the issues you listed above Black Hole etc are part of the complex system in our universe helping it to function. Just as science has not been able to pin down the actual function(s) of the appendix in the human body does not make it useless.
Helinues this is not politics or Nigeria contemporary issues that you are well known for in nairaland this is a case of a man who was born into a religion or belief coming out to tell us he has arrived. Religion they say "evolved out of man's fear of the unknown" Every civilisation even before the rise of the 3 Abrahamic religion believes in the existence of a god or God. There are many religion in the world today hence, that chap should not come here and expose his ignorance. Atheism is usually found among people who are spiritually sick that requires an inner healing of the soul. Just as a psychotic individual needs help before his actions betray his personality so does an atheist.

How do the new star born? How do the new planets formed? What happened when a star is about to die? Can a star get closer to a big black hole?

All those are chaos already in the universe. Ordinary car size asteroid approaching towards earth would still cause some damages depend on where it landed. Meanwhile there are millions of asteroid within Saturn and Jupiter. Imagine just 5 of them heading straight to earth

All you need is a one on one chat with a true disciple of Jesus Christ.
But you don't have to agitate when you find out how logical the reasoning of a student taught by the most wonderful counselor who ever lived! Isaiah 9:6

Good Afternoon!

davien:
It's been a while, to be clear the god I'm talking about is the general idea of a person, animal or object that exists as the first thing to exist and may or may not be responsible for everything else.

Let's start with the elephant in the room, we share this universe, you and I, we can objectively give ourselves as much evidence for our own existence. So why would we assume there's someone or something that's exactly like us(outside of the universe as a whole)?

If it's the first thing that ever was why would it have the physical characteristics(depending on belief) of the things in our reality? What does god need a right and left hand for? Clothes? Where'd it get them from?

For a person like me I'd reason these ideas borrow from the time they came to be that those gods would have the themes of the society they lived in, Greek gods occupy Greek mountains, Jewish gods occupy Jewish lands, Scientology spirits ride in airplanes(yes, google that).

And it's dumb to think of the creation stories as anything but myths of those cultures. So a perfect god(again, depending on the god) wouldn't get humans right the first time? And if it can't would a second time be any different?

If the god is an animal then why allow human beings exploit the animal for food, luxury and work? Why would a cow/goat, bull god make a human or even want to?

If there's such a place the god stays in but wants us to be with it what's the point of here then? Not saying there can't be reasons but when you start seeing brain dead babies and life born into this world that experiences pain and suffering 24/7 you have to ask why your god would be okay for a new being to be scorned for nothing at all.

Moving on to the naturally next point from the previous, if we humans did something to offend that being then doesn't that mean the being can't predict human behavior? Or wants humans to be exactly the way we are?

Lastly, if there's a way to reclaim peace with that/those being(s) then what function does our experiences serve if we're created with only one purpose in mind? I'm basically saying if you want object "b" to only do x in y then why add a feature that prevents or prolongs this process? Trial? For who? The object does not have to run any trial if it's use is for the creator.

These are my gripes with god/gods as an idea, it would be interesting to see if other people(believer or not) shares the same or have anything to add or clear over these. Thanks.

Workch:
The truth is we cannot test anything in that video.
How can we test that testimony to be true under a controlled condition?

Have you been able to verify theories of evolution and big bang under a controlled conditions? Yet you teach them to your gullible audience?
Faith is not only thing that proves God' existence. In fact the easiest way is by common sense. Another way is by science but not a-friori (cause to effect) but posteriori ( effect to cause) The Bible is right in that.
Go and learn about vortex mathematics works of non bias scientist like Nicholas Tesla and Michael Rodin. Shalom.

waldigit:


Go and learn about vortex mathematics works of non bias scientist like Nicholas Tesla and Michael Rodin. Shalom.

“Vortex math is a system of numbers which explains the essence of form as a sphere with a vortex.”

$100 to whoever can make sense of the above.

helinues:


How do the new star born? How do the new planets formed? What happened when a star is about to die? Can a star get closer to a big black hole?

All those are chaos already in the universe. Ordinary car size asteroid approaching towards earth would still cause some damages depend on where it landed. Meanwhile there are millions of asteroid within Saturn and Jupiter. Imagine just 5 of them heading straight to earth

@ the bolded. There is no imagination in God's creation. The birth and death of stars follow the plan of the maker. There is no chaos in it. BTW how many asteroid can you list that has struck the earth since you were born? Chaos in your own understanding is the scientific process involved in the formation of those heavenly bodies. If that the case how come the centripetal and gravitational forces that control the planets in our solar system are still functioning? Why hasn't the earth or any other planet drifted away from their elliptical orbit in the Solar system? When volcanic eruption occurs is it chaos or a geothermal activity that helps in releasing bottled up energy in the core of the earth? God's creation is perfect to those who understand his work.

LordReed:


What does spiritually sick mean? When we ask how you know you'll start chewing both sides of your mouth spewing gibberish.

Malaria is treated with antimalarial tablet. Spiritual ignorance is treated by enlightenment.

Workch:
Testimonies are not evidence. Testimonies is the act of making more and more claims.
Believers don't know what evidence is. Evidence is testable, repeatable and reproducible anytime and anyday. L

Why do you people think a testimony by a pastor on youtube is evidence?

But they are enough to send you to jail under a judicial system? Are they not?

killyaselfie:



“Vortex math is a system of numbers which explains the essence of form as a sphere with a vortex.”

$100 to whoever can make sense of the above.

Quite an attempt, learn more here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnMFQFDhy-4

waldigit:

Quite an attempt, learn more here:

Try some skepticism here.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Vortex-based_math

SWATMan:


@ the bolded. There is no imagination in God's creation. The birth and death of stars follow the plan of the maker. There is no chaos in it. BTW how many asteroid can you list that has struck the earth since you were born? Chaos in your own understanding is the scientific process involved in the formation of those heavenly bodies. If that the case how come the centripetal and gravitational forces that control the planets in our solar system are still functioning? Why hasn't the earth or any other planet drifted away from their elliptical orbit in the Solar system? When volcanic eruption occurs is it chaos or a geothermal activity that helps in releasing bottled up energy in the core of the earth? God's creation is perfect to those who understand his work.

Planets not drifting away from their solar system is due to dark energy which keep everything in place.

Is the process of volcanic eruption not a chaos? Do you have an idea how long the lava must have been building up from the earth crust before reaching up?

KnownUnknown:


Try some skepticism here.

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Vortex-based_math

Funny guy, I have read that before. It was a dry argument from fear of the unknown. Less than a page skeptism should not be enough to convince a bright mind like you. Do your due diligence. Vortex maths has been applied to zero point energy technology and it works. Go read about Rodin coil and Gerald generator. I have developed a star Rodin coil myself and I found out the truth.
So it's beyond realm of theories, it has been applied.

SWATMan:


Malaria is treated with antimalarial tablet. Spiritual ignorance is treated by enlightenment.

You should treat your delusional self first.

Workch:
Testimonies are not evidence. Testimonies is the act of making more and more claims.
Believers don't know what evidence is. Evidence is testable, repeatable and reproducible anytime and anyday.

Why do you people think a testimony by a pastor on youtube is evidence?

Ur logic is solid.

waldigit:

Have you been able to verify theories of evolution and big bang under a controlled conditions? Yet you teach them to your gullible audience?
Faith is not only thing that proves God' existence. In fact the easiest way is by common sense. Another way is by science but not a-friori (cause to effect) but posteriori ( effect to cause) The Bible is right in that.
Go and learn about vortex mathematics works of non bias scientist like Nicholas Tesla and Michael Rodin. Shalom.

The topic is how can we test the testimony of the pastor to be true.
This is not a biology class.
Just provide a way for us to test those testimonies.

LordReed:


I see people design cars, software, houses, etc all the time so I have evidence that someone indeed designed those things but I have yet to see anyone designing suns, moons, seasonal changes and all that so what evidence do you now present that they are designed? Not only that we can see suns forming out in space and there is nobody there with giant vehicles putting a sun together so again where is the evidence of a designer? All we see are natural processes occuring so is nature a designer? If humans by advances in technology become able to start a sun would they be gods then?

Go through the statement you qouted again, the answer to these questions is there already.

waldigit:

Funny guy, I have read that before. It was a dry argument from fear of the unknown. Less than a page skeptism should not be enough to convince a bright mind like you. Do your due diligence. Vortex maths has been applied to zero point energy technology and it works. Go read about Rodin coil and Gerald generator. I have developed a star Rodin coil myself and I found out the truth.
So it's beyond realm of theories, it has been applied.

Unfunny guy, who is fearing the unknown. Someone wrote numbers around a circle and drew lines connecting them and you’re impressed. No need to read about no Rodin Coil and Gerald generator. I guess those are to generate “free energy”. What silly truth?

If you had done your due diligence you would have found this from the same page, which shows that the divine number is 2,4,8 not 3,6,9 and it also has pretty shapes. Einstein.

https://www.theproblemsite.com/vortex/

KnownUnknown:


Unfunny guy, who is fearing the unknown. Someone wrote numbers around a circle and drew lines connecting them and you’re impressed. No need to read about no Rodin Coil and Gerald generator. I guess those are to generate “free energy”. What silly truth?

If you had done your due diligence you would have found this from the same page, which shows that the divine number is 2,4,8 not 3,6,9 and it also has pretty shapes. Einstein.

https://www.theproblemsite.com/vortex/

Oh! Free energy is silly truth. Then fossil fuel energy is the future. I think I know the school of thought you belong now. I guess you must be from oil rich Nigeria region. I conclude no need to continue this conversation. You win, there is no Gid, fossil fue is the future. But before I conlude let me ask this logic question:
If there is no God, then there must be no devil. True or fasle?

Workch:
The topic is how can we test the testimony of the pastor to be true.
This is not a biology class.
Just provide a way for us to test those testimonies.

g
Legal professional use cross examination. You can borrow from it. The technique is cross examination.

waldigit:
g
Legal professional use cross examination. You can borrow from it. The technique is cross examination.

have you examined it?
How did you do it?

spartan117:

Go through the statement you qouted again, the answer to these questions is there already.

Could have just said I don't know how to answer your question, it would have been more understandable because nowhere in that post did you tell us how to distinguish between what a human would be capable of and what your unevidenced gods would be able to do.

Workch:
have you examined it?
How did you do it?

It's your responsibility to do it. Due diligence is your responsibility if you doubt anything. That's the principle of science. Research.
If you think anybody's testimony is not convincing enough as a scientist you bust it by conducting a scientific inquiry.
For example if someone says he died and came back to life, you can verify that by requesting for their medical records. If they claim they went to heaven, you have lie detector as a machine to verify that.
You are a scientist, you should know better now. I am not supposed to be teaching you your job now!

Workch:
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The universe cannot be created no destroyed because it's a pool of energy

What do you mean by the universe cannot be created nor destroyed?

jamesid29:


What do you mean by the universe cannot be created nor destroyed?

Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The universe is 100% energy in different forms.
you can only convert this energy from one form to another

waldigit:

It's your responsibility to do it. Due diligence is your responsibility if you doubt anything. That's the principle of science. Research.
If you think anybody's testimony is not convincing enough as a scientist you bust it by conducting a scientific inquiry.
For example if someone says he died and came back to life, you can verify that by requesting for their medical records. If they claim they went to heaven, you have lie detector as a machine to verify that.
You are a scientist, you should know better now. I am not supposed to be teaching you your job now!

The burden of proof lies on someone making the claim and not on the person who doesn't believe his bogus claims.

No one is going to help you find evidence for your fictions, you created the fiction, you provide evidence for it else we won't believe it

That's how it works dude

Workch:
Energy cannot be created nor destroyed. The universe is 100% energy in different forms.
you can only convert this energy from one form to another

where does Space come into this equation?

waldigit:

To start with let me let you be informed that God is no longer idea in the like of empirical evidence domain. I don't know wether you are familiar with science but if you are, please pay attention to works of inventors such as Necolas Tesla, Rodin and Gerald.
Surveillance cameras these days have captured evidences beyond reasonable doubt that non physical reality exist. NDE testimonies from humans who were clinically certified dead by credible medical records provided us with proofs. Many of them were renowned physicists, surgeons, and Atheist.
Space and aerospace technologies are providing shocking details of our universe confirming biblical truths. Get online and listen to testimonies of experts who were once unbelivers. One of them was an inventor of microchips.
Bible says and I agree that: Heavens declare the glory of God and firmament shows his handiwork. Day until day utters speach, night until night shows knowledge.
God is outside space and time, so He is not exactly like man, even though he created man in his own his image and likeness.
I am a science student and it has helped me to appreciate and love to know more about phenomenon of God.
The present age of AI has greatly helped by providing empirical confirmation of existence of God.
I appeal to you to give Jesus a trial and let him reveal God to you. This has nothing to do with religion.

Your are just stating things, how on earth has AI proved the existence of God, you're just spilling gibberish. Which one is space exploration has also proved the existence of God?