efficiencie:


If life were a paradise you won't be an "antinatalist". If life were sweet and wonderful you would vilify anyone who decides not to bring as many children to this world as possible. Your complaint is circumstantial. Whereas the circumstances we see today is a direct consequence of the collective decisions of men and women globally? Our world is messed up because it was messed up by people like you and I. And people mess up the world because they have the choice to decide whether to be altruistic or be selfish and more often than not humans choose to be selfish. Hence at the root of your concern is the power to choose...and only men and women wield this power and hence only they are responsible for the ugliness of our world today. The almajiris of the north were created by religious men and women of the north and any attempt to address it will ultimately fail. The criminality in the south was created by corrupt leaders embezzling public funds, parents glorifying materialism above character and failed education/religious institutions that uphold rote learning and financial incentives above thorough cognitive, effective and psychomotor development.

Deciding not to have children is not the solution rather deciding to play your part in building a generation of problem solvers who will by sheer courage, dexterity, integrity and uprightness bring the needed change our world needs.

Today people are rushing to Canada, US etc forgetting that the people in these countries worked together to fix their country and make it beautiful for all. You will not feel afraid to have children in Canada for example...but you will most certainly ne afraid to bring a child into a country like Somalia.

Life is much better in developed countries but they still have a much higher number of anti-natalist than us Africans. To exist is to suffer. Theres too much needless suffering in this world that can be mitigated by people not just existing.

KevinDein:
Shiiit isn't that deep, man. Read a post of yours sometime ago and I reckon you are a young man in his 20s. Quit overthinking everything, relax and enjoy yourself a little.

There's nothing to enjoy. Life is just an endless void of needless suffering.

tensazangetsu20:


You dey wait till you japa. I am getting mine here. 80k at marie thopes.

I swear, if you do that, you will become sexually unappealing to most females. Especially if they know.
You will be like a tree with no fruit that nobody is interested in.
You’ll only be good enough for cooling off.

The sexiest thing about a man is being able to impregnate a woman.

See! Let me tell you; part of the thrill of people wanting to have sex is the risk/possibility of conception.
Take that away, and the excitement dies overtime.
Why do you think people hardly use condoms in spite of all the risks involved? Because the risks are part of the excitement.

Make I no talk too much

Mariangeles:


I swear, if you do that, you will become sexually unappealing to most females. Especially if they know.
You will be like a tree with no fruit that nobody is interested in.
You’ll only be good enough for cooling off.

The sexiest thing about a man is being able to impregnate a woman.

See! Let me tell you; part of the thrill of people wanting to have sex is the risk/possibility of conception.
Take that away, and the excitement dies overtime.
Why do think people hardly use condoms in spite of all the risks involved? Because the risks are part of the excitement.

Make I no talk too much

I really don't care honestly. Having a child in Nigeria is something that will destroy me emotionally.

tensazangetsu20:

There's nothing to enjoy. Life is just an endless void of needless suffering.

Youthful exuberance talking.

You are single currently yet worried about couple/married problems.

Childless for now, yet concerned about populating the world.

Supposedly earning in the top 1% of the Nigeria, yet seemingly plagued by the poverty of others who you believe are fools to be in their situations.

Elon Musk, Clooney, Ikeji and a host of others have back tracked. Age comes with clarity. You are currently in the very young phase where you think you know the solution to all life's problems. You vacillate between two points. You don't know what you want with finality. You crave things but because you don't yet have them, you hate them.

If it is so @bolded, why do you hold onto it? Or is this an outlet for the very opposite of your leanings?

tensazangetsu20:


I really don't care honestly. Having a child in Nigeria is something that will destroy me emotionally.

Ok o! No say I no warn you.

BRATISLAVA:


Youthful exuberance talking.

You are single currently yet worried about couple/married problems.

Childless for now, yet concerned about populating the world.

Supposedly earning in the top 1% of the Nigeria, yet seemingly plagued by the poverty of others who you believe are fools to be in their situations.

Elon Musk, Clooney, Ikeji and a host of others have back tracked. Age comes with clarity. You are currently in the very young phase where you think you know the solution to all life's problems. You vacillate between two points. You don't know what you want with finality. You crave things but because you don't yet have them, you hate them.

If it is so @bolded, why do you hold onto it? Or is this an outlet for the very opposite of your leanings?

Honestly I would have exited myself a long time ago. I am only still holding on cause of my mom cause she really cares about me. Once she's gone, I am done.

Mariangeles:


I swear, if you do that, you will become sexually unappealing to most females. Especially if they know.
You will be like a tree with no fruit that nobody is interested in.
You’ll only be good enough for cooling off.

The sexiest thing about a man is being able to impregnate a woman.

See! Let me tell you; part of the thrill of people wanting to have sex is the risk/possibility of conception.
Take that away, and the excitement dies overtime.
Why do you think people hardly use condoms in spite of all the risks involved? Because the risks are part of the excitement.

Make I no talk too much

Quit with the shaming Maria.

What if he's only interested in "cooling off"?

Raalsalghul:


Quit with the shaming Maria.

What if he's only interested in "cooling off"?

It’s no shaming, it’s the truth.
He needs to know before taking that decision.

Mariangeles:


It’s no shaming, it’s the truth.
He needs to know before taking that decision.

But in the process of informing him, you shamed him too.

tensazangetsu20:


Honestly I would have exited myself a long time ago. I am only still holding on cause of my mom cause she really cares about me. Once she's gone, I am done.

It's always the moms bro, always the moms.

I can relate.

Raalsalghul:


It's always the moms bro, always the moms.

I can relate.

Always them men. Father I no send. My sisters I no give two bleeps. Just my mom.

Raalsalghul:


But in the process of informing him, you shamed him too.

E for be true if to say he don do the operation.
I for no even put mouth.

Let’s just say I did what I would do for a brother.

tensazangetsu20:


Life is much better in developed countries but they still have a much higher number of anti-natalist than us Africans. To exist is to suffer. Theres too much needless suffering in this world that can be mitigated by people not just existing.

I understand you are an antinatalist but have you thought it through? What is the virtue in antinatalism when it is strictly practiced by all? If global population drops to say 100,000 and population density drops to roughly 8 people per 10,000sq.kms with 80% of the global population being above 65 years of age would life become bearable and livable to you? If yes, then you need to be on a planet all by yourself. Your problem isn't with the world as it is rather is about the amount of resources allocated to you. If we slaughtered all the males and females on this planet with the exception of a few professionals (doctors, sex mates etc) to serve your interest you will not be interested in being antinatalist.

tensazangetsu20:


Honestly if not for religion, suicide will be the leading cause of death in human beings. What play do you want a low IQ, ugly, and broke man to play. Probably dropout at primary school and become a gate man till death. It makes no sense. Someone somewhere dictated that and others should all play whether they like it or not.

You don't decide who births you or where. Debating what you are born with remains pointless.

Live with what you have.

Nobody dictates that you play, but once you are alive you will play life. Denial of that won't change it. It is what it is.

Interesting way to catch fun playing fatalism.

BRATISLAVA:


Youthful exuberance talking.

You are single currently yet worried about couple/married problems.

Childless for now, yet concerned about populating the world.

Supposedly earning in the top 1% of the Nigeria, yet seemingly plagued by the poverty of others who you believe are fools to be in their situations.

Elon Musk, Clooney, Ikeji and a host of others have back tracked. Age comes with clarity. You are currently in the very young phase where you think you know the solution to all life's problems. You vacillate between two points. You don't know what you want with finality. You crave things but because you don't yet have them, you hate them.

If it is so @bolded, why do you hold onto it? Or is this an outlet for the very opposite of your leanings?

Some people naturally worry over things they can't control, over other people's problems. It's a type of personality

Raalsalghul:
Tensazangetsu20, the faster you accept life is random, the better. Don't even start to over think it.

Or isn't that why we advocate that people should think thrice before pro creating?

I've made my peace with it. You too should.

Exactly just make your peace with it, the same way we all have to make our peace with death, with all the intellect, riches, privileges, beauty you mentioned, we are all going to be gone one day and it's inevitable. Can you fight it ? No! So just accept life and keep striving to be better in what way you can. The person that is rich today can become dirt poor tomorrow and vice versa.

tensazangetsu20:



Men it's glaring to me everyday. I don't know about you but my family bloodline ends with me. I mean my incomes puts me at the top one percent of Nigerians but men looking at the needless suffering that comes with living as a human being. It makes absolutely no sense bringing another here.

I am like you too .
I am not alone afterall.

SeaTrade:
I am like you too .
I am not alone afterall.

We are so many o but we hide ourselves everyday. People think money solves everything but it doesn't. The only thing money makes you see is how bleeped up the world really is. Funny enough my thoughts weren't like this when I was a mechanic earning 50k a month.

Mariangeles:


I swear, if you do that, you will become sexually unappealing to most females. Especially if they know.
You will be like a tree with no fruit that nobody is interested in.
You’ll only be good enough for cooling off.

The sexiest thing about a man is being able to impregnate a woman.

See! Let me tell you; part of the thrill of people wanting to have sex is the risk/possibility of conception.
Take that away, and the excitement dies overtime.
Why do you think people hardly use condoms in spite of all the risks involved? Because the risks are part of the excitement.

Make I no talk too much

lol @ bolded,
I don't know about you but will categorically tell you that people don't use condoms because raw fùck dey sweet die,
Risk of conception ,na em 4 o'clock for morning aunty and bros dey run round all medmarts dey find postinor,

efficiencie:


If life were a paradise you won't be an "antinatalist". If life were sweet and wonderful you would vilify anyone who decides not to bring as many children to this world as possible. Your complaint is circumstantial. Whereas the circumstances we see today is a direct consequence of the collective decisions of men and women globally? Our world is messed up because it was messed up by people like you and I. And people mess up the world because they have the choice to decide whether to be altruistic or be selfish and more often than not humans choose to be selfish. Hence at the root of your concern is the power to choose...and only men and women wield this power and hence only they are responsible for the ugliness of our world today. The almajiris of the north were created by religious men and women of the north and any attempt to address it will ultimately fail. The criminality in the south was created by corrupt leaders embezzling public funds, parents glorifying materialism above character and failed education/religious institutions that uphold rote learning and financial incentives above thorough cognitive, effective and psychomotor development.

Deciding not to have children is not the solution rather deciding to play your part in building a generation of problem solvers who will by sheer courage, dexterity, integrity and uprightness bring the needed change our world needs.

Today people are rushing to Canada, US etc forgetting that the people in these countries worked together to fix their country and make it beautiful for all. You will not feel afraid to have children in Canada for example...but you will most certainly ne afraid to bring a child into a country like Somalia.

You nailed it bro! Nothing more to say. End of discussion!!!!!!

tensazangetsu20:


We are so many o but we hide ourselves everyday. People think money solves everything but it doesn't. The only thing money makes you see is how bleeped up the world really is. Funny enough my thoughts weren't like this when I was a mechanic earning 50k a month.

Yeah,money=freedom,and freedom teaches truth.
Honestly I don tire already while I am this young,then imagine birthing kids and have to even do more work to build their dreams?Nah I'll pass.
Then worse is after sacrificing my goals for theirs ,Them go later face their mama dey shower her praises and all that comes with it.
The most I can do is have one daughter without a family setting (devoid of inlaws and relatives) or die single abeg.
All that family mushiness isn't for me.

Raalsalghul:


Quit with the shaming Maria.

What if he's only interested in "cooling off"?

They always use that line to threaten and blackmail men into that family profitless venture weh na them dey benefit from am pass na,what do you expect?
Look,family is every woman's insurance policy.
It guarantees her attention(from her kids) when they're no longer desirable nor given attention by men after they hit the wall and to some extent,livelihood security(still from kids).
But it's not so for men,as a well polished man will always get attention from women of all age groups.

tensazangetsu20:


Life is much better in developed countries but they still have a much higher number of anti-natalist than us Africans. To exist is to suffer. Theres too much needless suffering in this world that can be mitigated by people not just existing.

If you really think too much suffering in the world can be mitigated by people not existing, it's like thinking there would be no meat in the world because vegetarians decided not to eat meat. Is that ever possible? No, unless you're saying people shouldn't exist in the world at all. Well as we all know, we're brought into this world as a result of two individuals selfish choice, so you should understand that life is all about CHOICES, yes we don't get the chance to make our preferred choices before coming into this world, but we do get the chance to make it after getting here. Even if the world is filled with people that have it all, there's still no guarantee that there wouldn't be needless suffering caused by selfish people whose choice in life is to be evil, it is all up to us to make a choice between good and evil. Well life isn't fair as we all know but i believe if the world can be full of selfless people then i think life might have been fair!

socialmediaman:


Some people naturally worry over things they can't control, over other people's problems. It's a type of personality

It doesn't sound like such worrying, or he would need to see a psychologist for that.

Rather it's an avenue to showcase his self-acclaimed better worldview over that of the foolish, in his words, sh8thole people who have children while they are birthed ugly, broke and have what is termed a low IQ simply for not sharing the same fringe views. He is now different from them. A common symptom of a glaring diagnosis that won't be mentioned here. But that is his play icon.

It sounds more of a game of fatalism because he is living the opposite of what he advocates.

tensazangetsu20:
Religious people say humans have free will to do anything and the things we do as a result of our free will be atoned for one day. I agree that humans have free will alright but why is it the most important things that can make life much more bearable for you as a human being are completely out of your control leaving you with just mundane things.

The first thing is to be born. Honestly, if you gave every human on earth a choice today to not exist or continue living, I can assure you that at least 70 percent of the human race will choose not to exist. A lot of people are going through so much suffering and pain that we can't even understand. I am a strong anti-natalist at heart and I believe that the greatest salvation a human being can have is to not be born but how fair is it that two people can just have sex and gbam a baby is born. No one asks for that child's permission whether he wants to live or not and whether he loves it or not he's born and that's it. It makes absolutely no sense at all. I believe this is the most important decision humans should be able to make with our free will and somehow we cant make it.

The second is the type of country we would love to be born in. If this was even a possible choice, I wonder if there would be any human beings in Africa. Your nationality pretty much predicts the kind of life you are going to have on earth but even a bad nationality can be mitigated by some characteristics which we also do not get to choose

1. A high intellect: Honestly even though things are bad in Nigeria and generally the African continent, suffering can be mitigated somehow with a very high intellect especially if one goes to school. Straight As in Wassce, First class in the university. High Gre scores. Scholarships to the west of which of course they would welcome such a person with open arms. People say geniuses arent born but made but believe me, that's bullcrap. There's what you call God-given intellect. Everything with regards to academia is just easy for the person. When I was in the university, I had classmates who would study and study and study and they still had a third-class whereas the best student in my department didnt even used to attend lectures. He was so gifted and only used to study a few hours to exams. I am sure a lot of people can attest to meeting such kind of people in their academic lives. This high intellect also translates to helping them get the best-paying jobs. With a high intellect, they would easily scale the most difficult test interviews of companies while those with low intellect will never have a job to do. No one chose to be born with a low IQ and some people struggle all their lives to increase it but it stays one place. This is also something humans could choose before they were born but yet with free will you cant choose this.

2. Good looks: This is pretty much self-explanatory. Good looks will take you anywhere but a lot of people are born ugly. No one chose to be ugly but it was bestowed on them. Another thing we could choose but we couldn't.

3. Wealth: The last one is being born into a wealthy family. Nigeria, alongside the rest of the African continent, is a shitty place to exist but being born into wealth alleviates some of that suffering. Another thing we could choose and with our free will we cant choose.


But then even if you were born into a developed country with a low IQ you can still have a decent life. Drive a good car, live in a nice house. You can be an artisan and artisans in the west earn a lot of money. Being an artisan in a third world shithole is a sure way to die in poverty


I feel that life is just a game where someone higher than us is just using humans as pawns for his own enjoyment. I mean why should someone be born in Canada, Switzerland and someone is born in Nigeria, Liberia, Ghana etc. Why should some people struggle through school even with hard work and some people just breeze through. They tell you as a child you can be whatever you want but there are certain professions you cant touch if your IQ is less than 140. How many people have such high IQs. Why should a man be constantly rejected for being short and ugly while another gets the attention of ladies because hes handsome. None of us chose these things but we came and met them all here and we are told we have free will. The things that will make life enjoyable for us we couldnt choose and now we must work hard not to anger our creator.


I feel someone somewhere is just using us for his own excitement.

Bro, the Life no just balance. I have wished several times i never existed because of the terrible things i was going tru.

If life deals you a bad hand, mehn you will wish you never existed.

I agree that the basics of life that determines how far a human goes is not determined by that human. The country of your birth, your physical attribute, intelligence, level of exposure.

Compare an Okada man who impregnates his wife and Mike Adenuga impregnating his wife. Just by the circumstance of birth, that Adenuga's child will have a better life and most likely become more successful than the okada man's child.

I don't think it is fair that the things that will determine how well you enjoy this life is out of your control.

DontBullshitMe:
If life deals you a bad hand, mehn you will wish you never existed.

I agree that the basics of life that determines how far a human goes is not determined by that human. The country of your birth, your physical attribute, intelligence, level of exposure.

Compare an Okada man who impregnates his wife and Mike Adenuga impregnating his wife. Just by the circumstance of birth, that Adenuga's child will have a better life and most likely become more successful than the okada man's child.

I don't think it is fair that the things that will determine how well you enjoy this life is out of your control.

This is exactly my point. It's as if we are just some game pawns in someone else's cryptic puzzle. It makes absolutely no sense. Someone was created ugly, someone had low IQ with dyslexia, someone had a small dick, someone was born to poor uneducated parents. Na wa o

tensazangetsu20:


What can an ugly man with a low IQ from a poverty stricken home do in Nigeria or other third world shithole countries?

About this, I would say I knew someone that could have fitted into that demography a while ago. He got into the U.K around November last year. I believe people can always decide their own destinies. All they need is the will.

emmyN:


About this, I would say I knew someone that could have fitted into that demography a while ago. He got into the U.K around November last year. I believe people can always decide their own destinies. All they need is the will.

In the west you don't need to have a high IQ to make a good living. Artisans like mechanic, plumbers, carpenters et al are way richer than even college graduates. Its why I believe that the country you are born in is the greatest factor that influences your live even more than your iq, looks and social status but in a shithole country like ours. Your iq, looks and social status are very important to make life less miserable.

I don't want to have children. I’m not co-signing to this game of species-propagation. I agree with everything you said except the part on freewill. I don’t think we have freewill. As a quick thought experiment, these same anti-natalist thoughts you have. Would you harbor them if through a twist of circumstances you grew into a different person? Raised in different circumstances; perhaps instead of growing up in a home where academic excellence is encouraged you grew up in one of limited resources and neglect. These chain of root causes must lead you down a different path. Certainly not the one of a successful programmer privileged to take some time out of his day to challenge orthodoxical thinking. If you’re plowing a field somewhere trying to make your daily bread, you’re too tired and worn out of your mind to ever think these thoughts. Or maybe you still can. But where’s the freewill in that when we are always the product of root causes we have no control over, down to our most “cherished beliefs”.

I think humans are responsible for the actions and choices they make. Remember, people chose to settle in Africa. People chose to have s.ex. They have the option of protected sex; the option to abort.

Nigeria is bad today because people chose to steal, kidnap, kill, and make life unbearable for others. Evil thrive in governments because human chose to settle for less. They chose docility when they ought to revolt and demand better governance.

There is hardly any nation without resources to create wealth. Even those with unfavorable terrain and scarce resources turned things around. Dubai was turned from a desert backwater into one of the world's most awe-inspiring cities in less than 50 years. Israel's got one of the best agricultural system in the world despite the poor terrain. Who made all these happen? Humans did, humans that never asked to be born.

Everyone's has got choice between good and evil; development or retrogression. The prince of Dubai chose development. Yahaya Bello chose corruption and looting.

God did not create the 'Canada' or 'U.S' we have today. Humans did. If Nigerians take full possession of Canada today with the same "Nigerian" mindset of corruption, trust me, many will run back to Nigeria or Togo after a few years.

After the creation of man, plants, animals, and everything else, what we were told was that God rested. Humans have since then taken over the re-creation process and everything we choose to do with what God had already created is absolutely in our control.

As per the IQ thing, I don't believe anyone was created a dullard. Humans have probably just failed to understand their strength. Even the term "IQ" or "dullard" was coined by humans. For every difficult or impossible situation we have found ourselves today, humans have just not done enough to resolve them. Humans came up with HIV remedy. They did for Covid19. They can do same for every other ailments, including Cancer.

No one chose to be born but so long as you're here, you've become a part of the re-creation process. The US we see today was recreated by the same humans that never wished to be born. They took responsibility for their existence. Some of us have just given up and not ready to pass through what others passed through centuries ago.