chigator2:


If you assume you are more literate than me then you are dead wrong.

What should I be reading, when I have first hand account from children of family friends.
They gave me all assurance that he was severely beaten at least.

vincentjk:
What cannot happen in Nigeria does not exist anywhere in the world again.

phineas:


It's like you don't get it.That was a very very sick child.

If you have kids you will understand.Kids will be running around very fine absolutely ok.then they have a slight fever you rush them to the hospital and the FBC shows high infection that an adult with the same finding is on a bed crying I am about to die .uneducated folks will be giving them paracetamol hence the high childhood mortality in Nigeria.

If the school identified he was sick and sent home.If all medical findings showed he died from longstanding sickness which the autopsy picked.why on earth would you want to hold kids for his murder?

Perhaps they beat him right? Did the beating contribute to his death? Did you here the part were 3 out of those 5 boys were not even there.Could Sylvester have been hallucinating? An expected symptom in this case?shouldn't we all try to search for the truth? Do you have kids?

At best a case of bullying may be visited under the child right act but not murder except you are been outrightly evil.

There has been a sad miscarriage of justice here.The way the president of the US knelt and begged George flyods kid That is how I hope the Lagos Governor kneels and begs these boys.Do you know everywhere in future when asked that question have you have been arrested for anything more than a traffic offence? They have to pick yes and explain they were tried for murder? How many places would bother probing further that will be the end of their application.how is that right?

chigator2:


What makes the first autopsy examination unthorough or unprofessional. Ooh because he wasn't paid to lie professionally with credible support.

So, Sylvester became deranged to hallucinate a narrative because of football injury.

Continue, I assure you, this cup will not Passover you this year. if you're are justified may you come out safe if not take my condolences.

Eketem:


Even the family knew the Autopsy they did in Delta was fake that's why they didn't tender it as evidence at the Inquest. The only reason why they shared the report to the press a few days before the main autopsy came out is so people will not believe the real autopsy.

Just imagine the parents of the boys in Dowen didn't have money to do their own that's how they would have used fake everything to put those boys in prison.

Slyvesters family lied to Nigerians

Ficient:


Devil go soon shit for your head if you no drop this is rubbish medical evidence

MondayOsunbor:


JESUS EVEN AFTER A FORMER TEACHER CONFIRM EVERYTHING

God let me out of this dangerous country

kennyamusan:
Well balanced article of rubbish. Sorry to say, we are not as daft as you are . I wonder why the government would conduct another test without the knowledge of the parent . This alone is enought to tell us something is fishy. I stopped believeing the report after this because it is very glaring that people like you are one of those that would believe nobody died at the lekki toll gate . What a shame

soundOsonic:


Lol listen to yourself, Nigeria police carried autopsy?
You know how much is autopsy?

Ordinary report a case to Nigeria Police how your phone was stolen, you will have to pay.

phineas:
Any public outry on this case should be for justice for DOWEN boys now.... Perhaps only medical people see it clearly

MDCN in her regulatory role is the best person's to step into this case cos it's clear to all the first pathologist that was a quack had a strong role to play in the wrong detention of juveniles for something as grevious as a murder charge. How did that even happen.Only a coroner's autopsy should have been allowed for the purpose of their detention but I guess Lagos was afraid of public opinion

I'll try and explain for non medical person's here.You can not say there was signs of aspiration poisoning from things in his stomach due to something swallowed if you did not check in lay men's terms ( the food pipe)

The first thing any clinical student in gastric surgery in Nigeria knows this because Nigerians for some odd reason drink diverse corrosive substances in half hearted protest attempts or by accident.

The first thing it does. Is burn the oesophagus in a chemical poisoning before it affects the tougher overprotected stomach.Many times and in most of the cases the oesophagus( food pipe )is severely affected but not the stomach. So imagine an autopsy that concludes the findings in the stomach is from swallowing without looking at the affect on the oesophagus?

His autopsy was also not recorded? Why? No pictures at the least? If there are he needs to explain himself clearly to a panel.This pathologist and the first Dr that saw this student where lax in their business very lax.

It had far reaching consequences. And the fact that those Drs are still clinging to self survival at the cost of the future of these little kids who always have to explain in future that they had been tried sometime in the past for a murder case is evil. Some of the kids were not even there on said day (3 out of 5)

DOWEN boys must be cleared of that allegation and the state and police pay for it's incompetence.Those Drs must be stripped of their certificates for a period of time they are both a hazard to society

And lastly anyone still dragging DOWEN and DOWEN boy for murder now is complicit.If you have kids fear God

wirinet:

Why are you more concerned about justice for the Dowen boys instead of overall justice? What about justice for Sylvester and justice for the family? What about justice for the society as a whole?

In a normal society, an accusation should be enough for the police to invite the accused for questioning. My grouse with the Nigerian police is when the lock a suspect up for more than the 24hrs constitutionally allowed period and the annoying fact that the police arrests suspects before fishing for evidence. Most of the time by forcing the suspect to write a confessional statement.


This goes beyond MDCN. There is the issue of bullying, then there is the issue of murder/manslaughter. MDCN can only regulate professional conduct of doctors. It cannot determine bullying or even murder/manslaughter.


Signs of poisoning might have all disappeared 7 days after injestion of poisonous substance. The bodies excretion system most probably would have eliminated The poisonous substance from the system save microscopic traces. This particular poisoning is suspected to contain biological agents. So how do you determine the primary source of the septicemia that invaded all the vital body organs within 7 days?


Not all chemical poisons are corrosive. In fact most lethal chemical poisons are not corrosive at all. A few drops can kill you within a matter of hours. Then Biological poisons are not corrosive at all.

That's a general issue with the sorry state of professionalism in Nigeria. Incompetence is rife in all professions in Nigeria - civil engineering, medicine, accounting, etc.



That's why I am routing for the case to go to court where every witness would be examined and cross examined, ie class mates, Hall mates, house master, school nurse and doctor, and other parents and students who has had similar experience can be summoned to testify.

OmoEpe:



They were never tried for murder only investigated and cleared. Anybody can be investigated including the parents as complainants

But that aside I agree and admire your submissions 100%. These SoroSoke generation have made Sanwoolu a scared chicken always walking on egg shells around their opinions

socialmediaman:


This was your intention all these while, to prove that his family was lying. I don’t have a problem with that, but you could’ve been honest with that when I asked you on the previous thread you created. Instead you claimed to be doing an unbiased reporting even when multiple people were calling you out.

What was wrong with saying, “I’m here to prove to you guys that the family was lying?” Why tell people you were doing an unbiased reporting when you were clearly pushing your own agenda all along? Talk about honesty

Brendaniel:
You see one thing I hate about Nigeria, secrecy is too much, something happened to the boy in the school which led to him falling sick and died, why are they not investigating the cause of what led to him falling sick based on events that took place in the school, the boy has friends, till date nobody has heard any testimonies from his friends and other school children in the school, secrecy is too much to be released to the public, there is no way witnesses would not have been in place during such event, but then this is NIGERIA

The same way, herdsmen will attack a village and police arrests the herdsmen, they find out who sent them, secrecy starts:
POLICE- You know the person involved in this case is the brother to the uncle of the inlaw to the sister of the wife of the president, we cannot divulge such information to the public, this is national security issue...

They are released to continue their havoc, This is not national security, this is Nigeria...

Barcaking2:

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Shame to all the so called celebrities who jump on the bandwagon. Seems they want attention from this calamity rather than wait for reports from both the law authorities.

mapet:


So if evidence suggests and proves that the Oromonis were lying all along, that amounts to pushing agenda?

wirinet:
From just reading the report of the Lagos State Pathologist, I can conclude that Sylvester Oromoniyi died from biological intoxication and not chemical intoxication.
Here are the proof from the report;


The Septicaemia must have entered the bloodstream through the oesophagus and stomach. This must have been from the liquid he was alleged to have been forced to drink. This was probably why the infection affected all the vital organs so fast.


Evidence the school and parents were treating the wrong diagnosis. If they had started treating the boy for acute and aggressive bacterial infection (Septicaemia), Sylvester would certainly have survived.


Instead the school and parents were treating for orthopedic injuries. They were massaging the body of Sylvester and giving pain relievers.



Further evidence there was no evidence of bone injury. All the ankle abrasions were as a result of aggressive massaging.

My conclusion
Sylvester was beaten and bullied, but the physical beatings did not kill him. It was the liquid he was forced to drink. Now since our we don't have labs in Nigeria that can carry out a complete toxicology examination and the body and all organs had been tampered with coupled with cover ups from all those involved, it will be impossible to prove Sylvester Oromoniyi was murdered. Biological intoxication is much more difficult to prove that chemical intoxication. You have to determine exactly how the biological agents were introduced into the bloodstream.

phineas:
Any public outry on this case should be for justice for DOWEN boys now.... Perhaps only medical people see it clearly

MDCN in her regulatory role is the best person's to step into this case cos it's clear to all the first pathologist that was a quack had a strong role to play in the wrong detention of juveniles for something as grevious as a murder charge. How did that even happen.Only a coroner's autopsy should have been allowed for the purpose of their detention but I guess Lagos was afraid of public opinion

I'll try and explain for non medical person's here.You can not say there was signs of aspiration poisoning from things in his stomach due to something swallowed if you did not check in lay men's terms ( the food pipe)

The first thing any clinical student in gastric surgery in Nigeria knows this because Nigerians for some odd reason drink diverse corrosive substances in half hearted protest attempts or by accident.

The first thing it does. Is burn the oesophagus in a chemical poisoning before it affects the tougher overprotected stomach.Many times and in most of the cases the oesophagus( food pipe )is severely affected but not the stomach. So imagine an autopsy that concludes the findings in the stomach is from swallowing without looking at the affect on the oesophagus?

His autopsy was also not recorded? Why? No pictures at the least? If there are he needs to explain himself clearly to a panel.This pathologist and the first Dr that saw this student where lax in their business very lax.

It had far reaching consequences. And the fact that those Drs are still clinging to self survival at the cost of the future of these little kids who always have to explain in future that they had been tried sometime in the past for a murder case is evil. Some of the kids were not even there on said day (3 out of 5)

DOWEN boys must be cleared of that allegation and the state and police pay for it's incompetence.Those Drs must be stripped of their certificates for a period of time they are both a hazard to society

And lastly anyone still dragging DOWEN and DOWEN boy for murder now is complicit.If you have kids fear God

phineas:


There has been a sad miscarriage of justice here.The way the president of the US knelt and begged George flyods kid That is how I hope the Lagos Governor kneels and begs these boys.Do you know everywhere in future when asked that question have you have been arrested for anything more than a traffic offence? They have to pick yes and explain they were tried for murder? How many places would bother probing further that will be the end of their application.how is that right?

socialmediaman:


Her agenda was to prove the family was lying, which is fine, I don't have a problem with that, what's wrong with admitting that, so that when we read your report, we compare with the news report for accuracy? When I saw her previous thread on this issue, I could see how the narrative looked skewed when compared with the news reports, and I asked her about it, she could've admitted that it was intentional, instead she claimed she was simply reporting the news.

This is the thread I'm referring to: https://www.nairaland.com/6965077/sylvester-oromoni-coroner-inquest-daily

Babinski:


While the law is that accussed people are innocent until proven guilty, the information from various sources including ex-staff of Dowen on the issue of bullying shows that it requires further investigation by the Police.

To simply try to equate autopsy result to the solution of an alleged murder case and bullying is shoddy work at its best. There are various ways to kill people that the autopsy would easily attribute to normal death and yet the cases are murder.

How did a football injury within days become a serious generalized infection? Has the deceased been a subject of bullying at Dowen has alleged? Are there student cults at Dowen? Where all relevant parties including students questioned thoroughly? All these are questions raised that we need answers to and not the singular focus on autopsy results. The Police really did a shoddy job.

Eketem:


Your own agenda was to sustain the lies despite evidence, you kept lying and when faced with evidence changed story why has time to be going round and round with you?

Meanwhile be informed that the Delta state pathologist has done a total reversal of his earlier report probably to avoid discipline by the MCDN for his role in all this.

See the updated report.

Lies have an expiry date


https://drive.google.com/file/d/1eIhC7-7FeUA5YT5wlSwzPSLg7mD3OLQd/view?usp=drivesdk

Wasky101:

Eketem: :


Which former teacher? Why didn't the teacher go and testify as a witness for the family? The teacher is as fake as the autopsy report from Delta. They kept pushing fake news on social media

I have noticed a new trend of social media accusations, trial and justice. The first to report on social media garners all the sympathy.
Imagine what those young boys would have gone through, people dragged their parents and attacked them, I remember seeing comments on one of the boys mothers page. Will they take all those vile comments back

chigator2:


What makes the first autopsy examination unthorough or unprofessional. Ooh because he wasn't paid to lie professionally with credible support.

So, Sylvester became deranged to hallucinate a narrative because of football injury.

Continue, I assure you, this cup will not Passover you this year. if you're are justified may you come out safe if not take my condolences.

He was led in evidence by Dr Jide Martins, the Director of the Lagos State Directorate of Public Prosecution (DPP).

“I observed the first autopsy was not properly done. All the things that were not properly done were documented in my report.

“At the first autopsy, the pathologist never opened the oesophagus (the food pipe). He also did not open the trachea (air pipe). These are vital things he should not have left out.

“The conclusion in his report was chemical intoxication. For one to be intoxicated with a chemical, that chemical has to pass through the food path.

“If one does not open the food path, one cannot talk about chemical intoxication. The chemical that should be injurious to one should pass through the oesophagus.

“It should not have been anything near chemical intoxication if it did not pass through the oesophagus,” Soyemi said. The witness said further that the pathologist who conducted the first autopsy in Warri, Delta, did not look into the lungs of the deceased and also did not detach the heart from the lungs as was the standard practice.

“If he had done that and weighed the lungs, the weight alone would have told him that something was wrong with the lungs.

“Your honour, these are a few of the things he did not do. I will say that he did a botched autopsy. Your honour, this is the cause of the controversy concerning this case,” Soyemi said.

mapet:


These your submission are just overtly emotional and lacking in substance

1. Information from an Ex-Staff of Dowen who did not show up in investigation and at Corona's inquest to give evidence? Is the Corona to rely on Whatsapp video conversation of emotional women and not fact-based evidence?
2. The autopsy report served 2 purposes in this context. (1) It is the standard and legal reference for establishing cause of death. (2) It is the only veritable way to determine that what was alleged (Bully = Blunt Force Trauma) and( Poisonous substances= Toxins). Even when you take evidence from people who describes how he was beating, and such cannot be seen on the body to the extent that pathologist can certify it, then it is not evidenced.
3. Football injuries can indeed lead to infection. Basic knowledge of treatment tells you that when flesh is opened through irritation, abrasion or cuts, you administer antiseptic to clean it flesh almost immediately to prevent bacterial infection. If the body immunity does not attack the bacteria, it leads to fatality
4. On the Cult issue, the Police investigated that and led to a dead end. The Police did mention in their investigation that there was no evidence of cultism, no incisions, no tatoos or any other evidence to back that allegation.

Babinski:


A Corona's Inquest is not a criminal investigation and never equated to a Police investigation. It is simply an inquiry into the circumstances surrounding a death so that the death can be appropriately registered. So the Dowen ex-staff cannot be invited on any basis not directly related to the dead body. As you can see it is the pathologists that a mainly speakibg at the inquest.

Autopsy has its uses in murder investigations but it is beong overflogged here for clearly the wrong purposes. Dr. Soyemi who conducted the second autopsy gave evidence at the inquest that there was blackish substance found in the stomach of the boy but they refused to test the substance because allegedly LASUTH lacked appropriate facilities. Yet he was surprisingly eager to condemn the first autopsy's report of death by chemical intoxication on the basis that the throat and airways where not opened but didn't volunteer whether he opened them in his autopsy and what he found. At least the blackish substance would have entered the body through any of these points.

In fact the presence of the black susbtance casts suspicions on the Police statement that there were no findings in the oesophagus and stomach compatible with chemical intoxication based on the second autopsy report!

For me, the fact that an earlier report had concluded on chemical intoxication made it mandatory to test the blackish substance to clear all doubts. This is even more important when the parents of the boy claimed he was fed engine oil or some other substance. To resort to any other tactic to debunk the first autopsy while clearly the second autopsy is not 100% thorough is trying to play on the intelligence of the people.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/punchng.com/oromoni-black-substance-found-in-victims-intestine-lasuth-lacks-testing-lab-says-pathologist/%3famp

Eketem:


The common denominator is ignorant people who can't debate logic resorting to cursing themselves and their parents..
Read and learn, the family was informed of the autopsy and had their family witness there.
A comprehensive autopsy in a case where foul play is suspected cannot be done in the absence of all interested party. It was Late Sylvester's family that did an autopsy without letting other parties know and even the report they now can't defend it.

Read before you spew una no go gree you will come online and be abusing your parents

Eketem:


The common denominator is ignorant people who can't debate logic resorting to cursing themselves and their parents..
Read and learn, the family was informed of the autopsy and had their family witness there.
A comprehensive autopsy in a case where foul play is suspected cannot be done in the absence of all interested party. It was Late Sylvester's family that did an autopsy without letting other parties know and even the report they now can't defend it.

Read before you spew una no go gree you will come online and be abusing your parents