digitite:
I am talking about a Romantic Christian Relationship that eventually leads to marriage. Anything bad or unpleasant that happens to it must be by Evil spirits from the Kingdom of hell.

There is no such thing as a romantic Christian relationship. God's Law applies to the same across all relationship types - no special laws given for your romantic affiliations.

There is nothing like evil spirits from the kingdom of hell in your romantic relationships this since such relationships are not defined by God's Law. Relationships, so long as you are dealing with humans, can succeed or fail. What your place as a follower of Jesus Christ is,is to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ regardless of outcomes.

Kobojunkie:
1. The Holy Spirit only lives In those who have been made perfect though. This since He is Holy and can only abide in vessels who are perfect Holy and without blemish.

Also, Jesus Christ taught us that our marriages are of this world and not His Kingdom - Luke 20 vs 34 - 36 - so if finding yourself a partner note Jesus Christ did not teach that such a partner has to believe nor did He say anything regarding such things. All that is written is that marriage is between a man and woman and divorce is only allowed in the case of fornication. That aside, you are free to marry anyone you choose.

2. Just so you know, marrigae is not mandatory since God created some Eunuchs from birth, He allowed some to become Eunuchs in this life and permitted others to live as Eunuchs for the sake of His Kingdom - Matthew 19 vs 1 - 12. So do not feel pressured to make a decision in these things as if by God..

Are you saying as a Christian you can get married to a Buddhist or Hindu or Muslim by your nature ?

Kobojunkie:
There is no such thing as a romantic Christian relationship. God's Law applies to the same across all relationship types - no special laws given for your romantic affiliations.

There is nothing like evil spirits from the kingdom of hell in your romantic relationships this since such relationships are not defined by God's Law. Relationships, so long as you are dealing with humans, can succeed or fail. What your place as a follower of Jesus Christ is,is to obey the commandments of Jesus Christ regardless of outcomes.

There is something as such my friend. There is so much immorality in the world.

digitite:
Are you saying as a Christian you can get married to a Buddhist or Hindu or Muslim by your nature ?

There are no laws given us by Jesus Christ against such - none whatsoever!

If you like marry atheist or even prostitute- your marriage is still of this world and not of the Kingdom of God. That is what Jesus Christ said of it.

And let me address in the same breath, the delusion that you birth "Holy" children when you belong to God, well, Jesus Christ never taught this to us. Something curious He said instead is that anyone who wants to be His followers has to abandon mother, father, sister, brother, children, wife, husband, in order to be worthy of Him. So here is he making it clear that that only relationship that matters is the one that you have with Him... your other relationships might as well hold no meaning where He is concerned.

digitite:
There is something as such my friend. There is so much immorality in the world.

The world has been immoral since the time of Adam, so nothing new there. We are not put here to police the world in any of it though. Recall, Jesus Christ said Himself that He has not come to bring peace to the world... so any delusions of such are not of Him.

digitite:
Really ? What about those who don't recognise the existence of the Holy Spirit ?

The Spirit of God works through those who belong to God in all to accomplishing God's Will and purpose, Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Will.

Kobojunkie:
There are no laws given us by Jesus Christ against such - none whatsoever!

If you like marry atheist or even prostitute- your marriage is still of this world and not of the Kingdom of God. That is what Jesus Christ said of it.

And let me address in the same breath, the delusion that you birth "Holy" children when you belong to God, well, Jesus Christ never taught this to us. Something curious He said instead is that anyone who wants to be His followers has to abandon mother, father, sister, brother, children, wife, husband, in order to be worthy of Him. So here is he making it clear that that only relationship that matters is the one that you have with Him... your other relationships might as well hold no meaning where He is concerned.

The part of leaving your family behind and following him is very difficult to implement unless by the power of the Holy spirit that Jesus Christ said will come on the day of Pentecost to guide us.

Kobojunkie:
The Spirit of God works through those who belong to God in all to accomplishing God's Will and purpose, Jesus Christ, the one who is God's Will.

True. So are you still single ?

digitite:
The part of leaving your family behind and following him is very difficult to implement unless by the power of the Holy spirit that Jesus Christ said will come on the day of Pentecost to guide us.

It is not as difficult as you may think. The key is you take the first steps - begin obeying His commandments regardless of what family suggest or decide for you to. Once you take the first steps, subsequent steps become less of a burden to implement.

Jesus Christ never promised us that the Holy Spirit's help in doing that which He commands of us. Recall that even Judas spent over 3 years with Jesus Christ but refusing to obey, he ended up lost after it all.

digitite:


Absolute answer. In fact you have given me an idea for a book. 'The power of the Holy Spirit in a Christian Relationship'. I am really keen on understanding how the Holy spirit works in our lives.

You can understand all ONLY when you have received The Holy Spirit.

Kobojunkie:
It is not as difficult as you may think. The key is you take the first steps - begin obeying His commandments regardless of what family suggest or decide for you to. Once you take the first steps, subsequent steps become less of a burden to implement.

Jesus Christ never promised us that the Holy Spirit's help in doing that which He commands of us. Recall that even Judas spent over 3 years with Jesus Christ but refusing to obey, he ended up lost after it all.

You are very right. At some point , would you have to discard your family, and focus on the covenant which you have with our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ ?

digitite:
You are very right. At some point , would you have to discard your family, and focus on the covenant which you have with our Lord and saviour Jesus Christ ?

One of the very first things I started with actually...

I started by making the decision to stop trusting and obeying family and friends over Jesus Christ, and even went as far a to try to distance myself from them in order to conform to Jesus Christ's declarations as far as those who are worthy of Him. I became impartial in my treatment of them, treated them as I would any other person out there. And "Do to others as you would like for them to do to you" became the only rule that guides my relationship with everyone. I also obeyed the other rules put forth by Jesus Christ as far as worthiness is concerned, and only afterwards did He show up for me. I actually heard Him from then on.

The tricky part is I taught I had to declare my family my enemies for His sake but He brought me right back to them along the way and I have basically been trying to understand the why. Ofcourse I still live in obedience to His rule only I live this under the same roof as my family and the relationship has been, how do I say, much more peaceful than it used to be. Still learning the meaning of what has taken place mind you.

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Kobojunkie:
One of the very first things I started with actually...

I started by making the decision to stop trusting and obeying family and friends over Jesus Christ, and even went as far a to try to distance myself from them in order to conform to Jesus Christ's declarations as far as those who are worthy of Him. I became impartial in my treatment of them, treated them as I would any other person out there. And "Do to others as you would like for them to do to you" became the only rule that guides my relationship with everyone. I also obeyed the other rules put forth by Jesus Christ as far as worthiness is concerned, and only afterwards did He show up for me. I actually heard Him from then on.

The tricky part is I taught I had to declare my family my enemies for His sake but He brought me right back to them along the way and I have basically been trying to understand the why. Ofcourse I still live in obedience to His rule only I live this under the same roof as my family and the relationship has been, how do I say, much more peaceful than it used to be. Still learning the meaning of what has taken place mind you.

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Naturally rebellious
You definitely prefer Having a white mans family.
Smh

Kobojunkie:
One of the very first things I started with actually...

I started by making the decision to stop trusting and obeying family and friends over Jesus Christ, and even went as far a to try to distance myself from them in order to conform to Jesus Christ's declarations as far as those who are worthy of Him. I became impartial in my treatment of them, treated them as I would any other person out there. And "Do to others as you would like for them to do to you" became the only rule that guides my relationship with everyone. I also obeyed the other rules put forth by Jesus Christ as far as worthiness is concerned, and only afterwards did He show up for me. I actually heard Him from then on.

The tricky part is I taught I had to declare my family my enemies for His sake but He brought me right back to them along the way and I have basically been trying to understand the why. Ofcourse I still live in obedience to His rule only I live this under the same roof as my family and the relationship has been, how do I say, much more peaceful than it used to be. Still learning the meaning of what has taken place mind you.

The misunderstanding and transformation is what I am going through with my family but brethren have cautioned me to hold the Bible tight. I would love to chat privately with you for there are a lot of things I need to discuss and share with you.

digitite:
The misunderstanding and transformation is what I am going through with my family but brethren have cautioned me to hold the Bible tight. I would love to chat privately with you for there are a lot of things I need to discuss and share with you.

Vast majority of those who were on themselves the Christian title don't know and understand who Jesus Christ really is or why Jesus Christ to begin with, and that is what keeps to this day over 2 billion shackled to the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) against God's Word.

Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law which God promised to bless the nations of the World with since the time of even Abraham. Unlike the Old Covenant Law of Moses which God gave to the Children of Israel through Moses whom He commanded to write it it down, the New Covenant is Law meant for individuals of any nationality who wishes to live as a citizen of the Kingdom of God, where eternal life is meant for all and the righteous are rewarded at the end with Heaven.

To become a citizen of the Kingdom of God, via the narrow Gate which leads to true life, Jesus Christ warned that we carefully obey His commandments in order to become worthy of Him - He is the Truth and the Life - the door into the Kingdom we are meant to go through - Luke 13 vs 24 - 30 & John 10 vs 1 - 16 & Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14.

Details of the rules that apply are found written of in Luke 14 vs 25 - 35
Luke 9 vs 23 - 25
Mark 8 vs 34 - 38
Matthew 8 vs 22
Matthew 9 vs 32 - 39

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■ You must sell everything you own and give it away to the poor in order to gain the treasure that is Heaven
■ Any of you who want to be worthy of me must stop thinking about yourself and what you want
■ You must be willing to carry the cross that is given you for following Him
■ Anyone of you who try to keep the life you they have will lose it. But you who give up the life they have for Jesus Christ and for the gospel will save it.
■ Anyone who puts his hand on the plough but looks back is not worthy of Him
■ Follow Jesus Christ
■ Those who love father, mother, brother, sister, children, wife, husband, friends, etc., more than Jesus Christ are not worthy of Him
■ Those who do not accept the cross that is given to them when they follow Him are not worthy of Him

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And the above are just a handful of the almost 100 commandments that were given to us by Jesus Christ, God's Law and Truth for all those who desire to be of the Kingdom of God.

Kobojunkie:
Vast majority of those who were on themselves the Christian title don't know and understand who Jesus Christ really is or why Jesus Christ to begin with, and that is what keeps to this day over 2 billion shackled to the doctrines and traditions of men(and their churches) against God's Word.

Jesus Christ is God's New Covenant Law which God promised to bless the nations of the World with since the time of even Abraham. Unlike the Old Covenant Law of Moses which God gave to the Children of Israel through Moses whom He commanded to write it it down, the New Covenant is Law meant for individuals of any nationality who wishes to live as a citizen of the Kingdom of God, where eternal life is meant for all and the righteous are rewarded at the end with Heaven.

To become a citizen of the Kingdom of God, via the narrow Gate which leads to true life, Jesus Christ warned that we carefully obey His commandments in order to become worthy of Him - He is the Truth and the Life - the door into the Kingdom we are meant to go through - Luke 13 vs 24 - 30 & John 10 vs 1 - 16 & Matthew 7 vs 13 - 14.

Details of the rules that apply are found written of in Luke 14 vs 25 - 35
Luke 9 vs 23 - 25
Mark 8 vs 34 - 38
Matthew 8 vs 22
Matthew 9 vs 32 - 39

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■ You must sell everything you own and give it away to the poor in order to gain the treasure that is Heaven
■ Any of you who want to be worthy of me must stop thinking about yourself and what you want
■ You must be willing to carry the cross that is given you for following Him
■ Anyone of you who try to keep the life you they have will lose it. But you who give up the life they have for Jesus Christ and for the gospel will save it.
■ Anyone who puts his hand on the plough but looks back is not worthy of Him
■ Follow Jesus Christ
■ Those who love father, mother, brother, sister, children, wife, husband, friends, etc., more than Jesus Christ are not worthy of Him
■ Those who do not accept the cross that is given to them when they follow Him are not worthy of Him

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And the above are just a handful of the almost 100 commandments that were given to us by Jesus Christ, God's Law and Truth for all those who desire to be of the Kingdom of God.

Sounds wonderful.

digitite:
Sounds wonderful.

Read through what Jesus Christ commands and let me know what you think.

Kobojunkie:
Read through what Jesus Christ commands and let me know what you think.

It is doable by the power of the Holy spirit. Jesus Christ said I didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. That's why we need to fast and pray and to study the scriptures to always be led by the power from above.

You speak like a scholar, you are not yet in the spirit.

digitite:
It is doable by the power of the Holy spirit. Jesus Christ said I didn't come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. That's why we need to fast and pray and to study the scriptures to always be led by the power from above.

You speak like a scholar, you are not yet in the spirit.

But Jesus Christ never said any of the statement in bold, you see.

What He instead instructs is that we obey Him in order to be led by Him.

■ As for fasting, the kind of fasting God commands is not your starvation diets which you call "fasting" but instead the doing of good works as describes by God in Isaiah 58 vs 1 - 13 . This is also the only way to let your light shine as far as that which Jesus Christ commands.
■ For prayer, what is practiced in churches and in most homes is nothing short of an abomination to God. For instance, Jesus Christ commands that when we pray, we hide away from the sight and hearing of others so no one sees or hears us praying. He also commands that we avoid vain repetitions while praying and also pray the Lord's Prayer. How when you consider what He commands and what we see done regularly, you realize that what is Christianity today is nothing at all what God commands.

■ As far as gaining understanding of God's Word, Jesus Christ taught that it is those who use even the little understanding that they have, that will have more understanding given to them. Those who don't use what they have will have even the little they have taken from them - this I have tested and confirmed to be Truth.

All amounts of studying, without actually putting what one reads to practice amounts to nothing. For this reason, those who boast of reading scripture from start to finish without ever putting to practice that which Jesus Christ commanded are no more knowledgeable of God and His ways than one who does not even believe in God nor has read the book..


What am I saying all this to mean? What I am trying to say is that if you ever truly want to know the True God , Jesus Christ, you have to abandon everything you have ever thought you know of Him and start afresh with a blank slate - Tabula rasa! Let Him write Himself on you anew.

Kobojunkie:
But Jesus Christ never said any of the statement in bold, you see.

What He instead instructs is that we obey Him in order to be led by Him.

■ As for fasting, the kind of fasting God commands is not your starvation diets which you call "fasting" but instead the doing of good works as describes by God in Isaiah 58 vs 1 - 13 . This is also the only way to let your light shine as far as that which Jesus Christ commands.
■ For prayer, what is practiced in churches and in most homes is nothing short of an abomination to God. For instance, Jesus Christ commands that when we pray, we hide away from the sight and hearing of others so no one sees or hears us praying. He also commands that we avoid vain repetitions while praying and also pray the Lord's Prayer. How when you consider what He commands and what we see done regularly, you realize that what is Christianity today is nothing at all what God commands.

■ As far as gaining understanding of God's Word, Jesus Christ taught that it is those who use even the little understanding that they have, that will have more understanding given to them. Those who don't use what they have will have even the little they have taken from them - this I have tested and confirmed to be Truth.

All amounts of studying, without actually putting what one reads to practice amounts to nothing. For this reason, those who boast of reading scripture from start to finish without ever putting to practice that which Jesus Christ commanded are no more knowledgeable of God and His ways than one who does not even believe in God nor has read the book..


What am I saying all this to mean? What I am trying to say is that if you ever truly want to know the True God , Jesus Christ, you have to abandon everything you have ever thought you know of Him and start afresh with a blank slate - Tabula rasa! Let Him write Himself on you anew.

What's the name of your church or denomination ?

digitite:
What's the name of your church or denomination ?

I don't belong to any of the churches or denominations defined by the doctrines and traditions of men. The only Church that I am a member of is the one built by Jesus Christ - the Vine - John 15 vs 1 - 11.

Jesus Christ never asked anyone to attend your world churches nor did he suggest that anyone belong to the denominations of this world.

Kobojunkie:
I don't belong to any of the churches or denominations defined by the doctrines and traditions of men. The only Church that I am a member of is the one built by Jesus Christ - the Vine - John 15 vs 1 - 11.

Jesus Christ never asked anyone to attend your world churches nor did he suggest that anyone belong to the denominations of this world.

But Jesus Christ said we should congregate together.

digitite:
But Jesus Christ said we should congregate together.

Jesus Christ never commanded that of you or anyone..

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ never commanded that of you or anyone..

Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there in the midst of them. Mathew 18:20.

digitite:
Where two or three are gathered in my name, I am there in the midst of them. Mathew 18:20.

How do you read that as a direct command that you should gather in your churches the way you do though?

15 “If your brother or sister in God’s family does something wrong, go and tell them what they did wrong. Do this when you are alone with them. If they listen to you, then you have helped them to be your brother or sister again.
16 But if they refuse to listen, go to them again and take one or two people with you. Then there will be two or three people who will be able to tell all that happened.
17 If they refuse to listen to them, tell the church. And if they refuse to listen to the church, treat them as you would treat someone who does not know God or who is a tax collector.
18 “I can assure you that when you speak judgment here on earth, it will be God’s judgment. And when you promise forgiveness here on earth, it will be God’s forgiveness.
19 To say it another way, if two of you on earth agree on anything you pray for, my Father in heaven will do what you ask.
20 Yes, if two or three people are together believing in me, I am there with them.” - Matthew 18 vs 15 - 20

Please pay attention to what Jesus Christ is in fact saying to you in the context above.

Also did Jesus Christ suggest that He is not with any of His followers who is not in company of others?

digitite:


I see. I respect your observation. My understanding is that in a Christian relationship you can never hear argument , materialism, violence and it happens without any effort from both parties.