In 2013, four different parties, CPC, ACN, ANPP and Some part of APGA, came together and coalesced to become one political party known today as APC.

Later on in 2014, Chibuike Amaechi, the then governor of Rivers State, led five (5) rebellious governors and other heavyweight politicians of the PDP who had christened themselves as New PDP (NPDP), to join the newly formed APC and thereby reinforced the party and gave it more reach and influence.

At the party’s presidential convention in 2014, Muhammad Buhari of the CPC bloc became the presidential flag bearer of the party while Yemi Osinbajo of the ACN bloc became his running mate.

Graciously, these two won the election in 2015 and won re-election in 2019 and would be completing their constitutionally possible two terms.

Now, as the party prepares for 2023, does it not translate to greed for either of CPC or ACN bloc to still want either the presidency or the vice presidency?

As a union of different blocs, does it not make sense therefore that 2023 should be the year that the ANPP, APGA and NPDP bloc be rewarded for their role in the success of APC in 2015?

Or is any bloc trying to claim that it’s contribution is the highest and therefore other blocs should remain as spectators while they keep taking and sharing the spoils?

So, in conclusion, as the APC prepares for 2023, the CPC and ACN blocs of the party can vie any other position available in the party but not the Presidency and the Vice Presidency; those two positions should be the exclusive preserve of other blocs of the party whose contributions were equally consequential to APC’s success in 2015.

Penguin is a bird of reason!

Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

We need to discard all these parties and coalitions because it doesn't benefit the Nigerian people except the plutocrats and aristocrats

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

Simplees.

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

No need for primary, our darling president, Buhari, said he already got someone that will succeed him , but won't reveal his identity yet for safety reasons and we are solidly with Buhari on This one .

Primary won't be necessary

Abi you want that man in bourdillon to use Lagos money and buy everyone to his side?

Buhari is smart na

If not that the majority of the voting population are cowards, yes cowards they are because they will always allow sentiments to becloud their sense of right and wrong, some popular politicians from the South East wouldn't have been insisting on the major political parties micro-zoning their presidential tickets to them before throwing in their hats in the contest fully. So, the South East politicians aren't the cowards; the sentimental and hypocritical voting majority are the cowards.

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

No need for primary, our darling president, Buhari, said he already got someone that will succeed him but won't reveal his identity yet for safety reasons and we are solidly with Buhari on This one .

Primary won't be necessary

Abi you want some people to use Lagos state money to buy all the candidate to their side ?

Buhari is wise na

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

As much as your argument is still logical and would pass as valid, it falls short of social and distributive justice and equity, that should exist within a union.

So the CPC got the presidency in 2015.
The ACN got the Vice Presidency.
While nPDP got the Senate (through struggle).

Now, in 2023, your proposing a scenario that ACN, again, elevates to the presidency while the nPDP settles for Vice presidency.

Where does that leave the ANPP bloc?
Where does that leave the APGA bloc?

In fairness, should the bloc that got nothing at all in 2015 not get the largest share of the available offices while the bloc that got second to nothing follows in that order before those who got the largest share in 2015 are considered?

Should it rather than be the survival of the fittest where the strongest should always win and those who are not as strong can continue to grumble?

If you support that notion, then it would also be valid to argue that the CPC bloc, since they are in power, can scheme to retain power even in the north and not bother about zoning it to the south at all.

Or you think there’s anything ACN bloc or any other bloc at all can do other than pull out of the union?

Vertraulichkeit:
If not that the majority of the voting population are cowards, yes cowards they are because they will always allow sentiments belcoud their sense of right and wrong, some popular politicians from the South East wouldn't have been insisting on the major political parties micro-zoning their presidential tickets to them before throwing in their hats in the contest fully. So, the South East politicians aren't the cowards; the sentimental and hypocritical voting majority are the cowards.

No election without sentiments, absolutely none.

Even the fact that you think South East politicians somehow deserve the top seat is sentiment.

PrinceOfLagos:


No need for primary, our darling president, Buhari, said he already got someone that will succeed him but won't reveal his identity yet for safety reasons and we are solidly with Buhari on This one .

Primary won't be necessary

Abi you want some people to use Lagos state money to buy all the candidate to their side ?

Buhari is wise na

LOL

which one is ApkuGA

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

Remove your mask and be absolute in your stance that you are a Tinubu's supporter

Vertraulichkeit:
If not that the majority of the voting population are cowards, yes cowards they are because they will always allow sentiments belcoud their sense of right and wrong, some popular politicians from the South East wouldn't have been insisting on the major political parties micro-zoning their presidential tickets to them before throwing in their hats in the contest fully. So, the South East politicians aren't the cowards; the sentimental and hypocritical voting majority are the cowards.

This is very wrong. The Nigerian voting population are not the ones that will participate in the primary elections. these are party members.

The voting population have no say in which aspirant becomes president; let aspirants go and contest for the votes of the delegates and stop crying into our Eagles about how they want micro-zonning. Violation if you can't convince 2,500 people in your own party to vote for you, how can you convince 15 million voters to vote for you?

Simple logic

Penguin2:


As much as your argument is still logical and would pass as valid, it falls short of social and distributive justice and equity, that should exist within a union.

So the CPC got the presidency in 2015.
The ACN got the Vice Presidency.
While nPDP got the Senate (through struggle).

Now, in 2023, your proposing a scenario that ACN, again, elevates to the presidency while the nPDP settles for Vice presidency.

Where does that leave the ANPP bloc?
Where does that leave the APGA bloc?

In fairness, should the bloc that got nothing at all in 2015 not get the largest share of the available offices while the bloc that got second to nothing follows in that order before those who got the largest share in 2015 are considered?

Should it rather than be the survival of the fittest where the strongest should always win and those who are not as strong can continue to grumble?

If you support that notion, then it would also be valid to argue that the CPC bloc, since they are in power, can scheme to retain power even in the north and not bother about zoning it to the south at all.

Or you think there’s anything ACN bloc or any other bloc at all can do other than pull out of the union?

Democratic politics has one flaw; it is a game of numbers. If you want to contest, throw your hat in and contest.

You lobby your party members and convince them to follow you. Consult, go around, talk to members not sit in your bath water asking for micro-zonning. When your title is not "Asunkungbage"

Golan007:


No election without sentiments, absolutely none.

Even the fact that you think South East politicians somehow deserve the top seat is sentiment.

Primordial sentiments aren't healthy sentiments, and only cowards champion it. The concept of right/fairness having precedence over wrong/unfairness is healthy sentiment, unfortunately this is beyond the understanding of cowards.

I don't engage cowards.

Vertraulichkeit:
If not that the majority of the voting population are cowards, yes cowards they are because they will always allow sentiments belcoud their sense of right and wrong, some popular politicians from the South East wouldn't have been insisting on the major political parties micro-zoning their presidential tickets to them before throwing in their hats in the contest fully. So, the South East politicians aren't the cowards; the sentimental and hypocritical voting majority are the cowards.

Nigerian voters are not cowards per se, the Igbo fear has just been planted in their subconsciousness over the years through Yoruba media.

And the intention of the Yorubas is that an Igbo man should get PDP ticket while a Yoruba man get APC ticket so that they (Yoruba) can amplify the Igbophobia to high heavens and make the rest of Nigerians vote for the Yoruba candidate out of fear of what Igbos will do.

So, you don’t blame the voters, blame the political elites who have made anti Igbo propaganda their winning tool since after the civil war.

If I tell you that Nigeria youth are senseless, it's a fact, it can't be denied anymore.

Just look at the stupid topic someone created. Haha.

Is this what we are even supposed to be discussing in this country.

The earth goes round the sun because the sun is heavier than the earth.

So why should the citizens life revolve around the politifcian. It's like having the sun go round the earth. E no make sense.

With our huge number, we can pull these politicians into our own orbit, they will dance to our tune.

Don't give people power without accountability

You are not serious.
CPC produced the president, nPDP forceful take over the Senate president, ANPP produced the Senate president, ACN Has the vice president,speaker and deputy speaker of house of reps. Anpp has 3 ministers prominent amongst them is Prof Onu.
The only people that are not well compensated is the APGA bloc(which was relatively according to their strength during the merger).

Anything but APC

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Penguin2:
In 2013, four different parties, CPC, ACN, ANPP and Some part of APGA, came together and coalesced to become one political party known today as APC.

Later on in 2014, Chibuike Amaechi, the then governor of Rivers State, led five (5) rebellious governors and other heavyweight politicians of the PDP who had christened themselves as New PDP (NPDP), to join the newly formed APC and thereby reinforced the party and gave it more reach and influence.

At the party’s presidential convention in 2014, Muhammad Buhari of the CPC bloc became the presidential flag bearer of the party while Yemi Osinbajo of the ACN bloc became his running mate.

Graciously, these two won the election in 2015 and won re-election in 2019 and would be completing their constitutionally possible two terms.

Now, as the party prepares for 2023, does it not translate to greed for either of CPC or ACN bloc to still want either the presidency or the vice presidency?

As a union of different blocs, does it not make sense therefore that 2023 should be the year that the ANPP, APGA and NPDP bloc be rewarded for their role in the success of APC in 2015?

Or is any bloc trying to claim that it’s contribution is the highest and therefore other blocs should remain as spectators while they keep taking and sharing the spoils?

So, in conclusion, as the APC prepares for 2023, the CPC and ACN blocs of the party can vie any other position available in the party but not the Presidency and the Vice Presidency; those two positions should be the exclusive preserve of other blocs of the party whose contributions were equally consequential to APC’s success in 2015.

Penguin is a bird of reason!

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Block Koh, Cement Ni..

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Penguin2:


As much as your argument is still logical and would pass as valid, it falls short of social and distributive justice and equity, that should exist within a union.

So the CPC got the presidency in 2015.
The ACN got the Vice Presidency.
While nPDP got the Senate (through struggle).

Now, in 2023, your proposing a scenario that ACN, again, elevates to the presidency while the nPDP settles for Vice presidency.

Where does that leave the ANPP bloc?
Where does that leave the APGA bloc?

In fairness, should the bloc that got nothing at all in 2015 not get the largest share of the available offices while the bloc that got second to nothing follows in that order before those who got the largest share in 2015 are considered?

Should it rather than be the survival of the fittest where the strongest should always win and those who are not as strong can continue to grumble?

If you support that notion, then it would also be valid to argue that the CPC bloc, since they are in power, can scheme to retain power even in the north and not bother about zoning it to the south at all.

Or you think there’s anything ACN bloc or any other bloc at all can do other than pull out of the union?

This calculation is the major reason APC is on the path of destruction.

Power blocs fusing together in political parties is very normal. If the major objective is to get power without proper direction, there certainly will be disintegration.

Before the 2019 elections, we saw members of the nPDP like Galadima disagreeing absolutely with PMB and APC. Many of such like him broke away and sought to dismantle APC from the center.

It is not a secret that the glue that holds APC is the president. That's why political office holders play to the gallery by quoting his name at all times. With his health challenge and his desire to return to his farm, do you think that he can embark on campaigns for whoever will contest for the presidency? As the symbol of the party, if anything goes wrong with him, how can APC remain as one?

If there is no equity and there will never be, how do we expect the unfavoured power blocs to remain in the party?

Mynd44:
Look at this argument too.

CPC got presidency
ACN got Vice presidency
nPDP got Senate presidency (Saraki)

Now, is it too weird to say in 2023, ACN bloc gets presidency, nPDP gets Vice and CPC gets Senate president.

See how logic can be twisted and you still would win the argument?

Let everyone go and contest and may the best politician win. Why are people so afraid to compete against humans like them? That is how one politician was saying he won't contest unless the ticket was micro-zoned to his geo-politican zone. Cowardice un the highest order.

If you know you are popular enough to be president, then you should be popular enough in your party to win a fair primary election

You have shifted from geopolitical zones to parties, soon you will move to their skin colour or their number of wives.
Lol

haha... This looks like Plan C and it is DOA.

The problem is that the stake for the Presidency is higher. Those small blocs do not have enough clout, well spread network and resources to win the ticket in APC let alone a general Presidential election.


Meanwhile, once again I appeal to fellow patriotic Nigerians to please vote for Asiwaju Tinubu .

Asiwaju Tinubu is a brilliant visionary leader who has a compassionate and large heart that doesn't discriminate against anyone.

Asiwaju Tinubu is extremely capable and competent to lead Nigeria to greater heights. He is an experienced public administrator and a Patriot to the core.

Please vote for Asiwaju Tinubu.
Thank you.
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APGA and ANPP are irrelevant. Go back and listen to Okorocha once again where he mentioned the two most important members of APC who should be responsible for decision making in the party. They are; the President and Tinubu.

https://www.nairaland.com/6998957/national-convention-okorocha-fears-apc

colorsofrainbow:

Remove your mask and be absolute in your stance that you are a Tinubu's supporter

LOL
see how they are beating around the bush like putin's spy chief instead of owning with full chest

You said it all.

Penguin2:


Nigerian voters are not cowards per se, the Igbo fear has just been planted in their subconsciousness over the years through Yoruba media.

And the intention of the Yorubas is that an Igbo man should get PDP ticket while a Yoruba man get APC ticket so that they (Yoruba) can amplify the Igbophobia to high heavens and make the rest of Nigerians vote for the Yoruba candidate out of fear of what Igbos will do.

So, you don’t blame the voters, blame the political elites who have made anti Igbo propaganda their winning tool since after the civil war.

Hian....

Mynd44, no need to sugarcoat your comment as to blind us from your preferred candidate. (BAT). Deny am if you want, but your body language shows otherwise.

Though it's not a crime to support even bubu so..........

Someone who has spent the last 8 years insulting Apc, insulting the North and advocating for Biafra now feels he is in a position to advice Apc. Mind you, this same person has always been a PDP supporter. I wonder why Igbos fear PDP so much that they are slaves to PDP and cannot advice PDP.

Penguin2:


Nigerian voters are not cowards per se, the Igbo fear has just been planted in their subconsciousness over the years through Yoruba media.

And the intention of the Yorubas is that an Igbo man should get PDP ticket while a Yoruba man get APC ticket so that they (Yoruba) can amplify the Igbophobia to high heavens and make the rest of Nigerians vote for the Yoruba candidate out of fear of what Igbos will do.

So, you don’t blame the voters, blame the political elites who have made anti Igbo propaganda their winning tool since after the civil war.

tis is the crux of the matter

Mynd44:

This is very wrong. The Nigerian voting population are not the ones that will participate in the primary elections. these are party members.

The voting population have no say in which aspirant becomes president; let aspirants go and contest for the votes of the delegates and stop crying into our Eagles about how they want micro-zonning. Violation if you can't convince 2,500 people in your own party to vote for you, how can you convince 15 million voters to vote for you?

Simple logic

The main deciders of the primary elections, the delegates, have always been the benefactors of the majority of the voting population in the main elections. I can only expect a non sentimental person to understand this. Anyone who overtly or covertly holds primordial sentiments against any section of the country is a coward.

Bigotry is a disease.