The negotiations failed already with the Ukrainian President insisting that he does not like the Minsk agreement, and therefore wouldn’t honor or implement it. This was an agreement drawn up when he was still a comedian, and signed by international partners to stop the war between Ukraine and the breakaway regions. It actually looked like the US instigated the Ukrainian President to reject the Minsk agreement else, how can a president just wake up and say he didn’t like an agreement drawn up and signed by international stakeholders, and still get the support of US for going against international arbitration. This meant that as long as you have US and NATO backing, any nation can do and undo without being held accountable. Russia has been the only nation, with China sometimes, that go against such double standards. Even then, the US still vetos and gets its way without much pushback, but will not allow other permanent members of the UN Security Council (Russia, China, not that these ones are even kind or holy) to control their own spheres of influence.

In all this, Russia was painted as the evil aggressor by the media controlled by the west, while the Ukrainian military continued shelling the breakaway regions, and had even planned to wipe out the separatists, hence the move by Russia to surround Ukraine with troops to discourage that.

Putin seemed to have moved forward with the recognition of the breakaway regions after realizing that the talks were not going anywhere as the stakeholders were not interested in implementation of the Minsk agreement. This in a way puts Ukraine on the back foot to prefer the Minsk agreement that they initially rejected over the current development.

The initial winner here is the US who has refused to sanction Russian oil and gas exports to the US because it will affect the US economy.

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/16/latest_news/1645020978_604758.html

But on the other hand has forced Germany to jettison its own energy plans with the Nordstream 2 pipeline. Europe has once again been hoodwinked into self destruction while the US reaps the benefits of the crisis once again.

If there will be peace in Europe and other parts of the world, the US needs to stop cajoling the NATO and UN to fulfill only its own interests that thrives on destabilizing other countries (Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yugoslavia etc) by sponsoring the change of government like in Ukraine, empowering insurgents like in Syria, Iraq, and generally acting like the world police etc.

pacespot:
What a shaky response by this man, he should have repeated his earlier statement to continue the negotiation with their Western partners, then if all fails, they would recognize the independence.

Trump is smart, and thinks America first, even when he acts friendly with Putin.

Watch clip from 3:00 mark:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRtZld1m7kY

On the hand, Biden wants to outshine Trump, so he tries to piggy back on Trump policies without the full grasp of how Trump focuses on the Pareto principle of avoiding unnecessary conflict areas but focusing on measures that give the best and most impactful results (eg withdrawal of American troops from Afghanistan).

Putin incidentally, is also like that, hence the high chess moves that keeps the west guessing his next move. All that exist between Trump and Putin is a mutual respect for each other’s strengths of judgment.

Not many people are able to understand these complexities except the military industrial complex who work with the mainstream media to spin the narratives in their favor whether liberals or conservatives.

neuf:


Yet Trump imposed sanctions on the Nord stream 2 pipeline and the Biden you claim is a war monger is the one that lifted the sanctions.

Go figure!!

Firstcitizen:


No the guy is a US double agent who got caught out. He is in deep shit and this was done so th US can see

That is not a double agent, he was trying to tell putin to follow due process, but backed out from being nervous when putin started questioning him.

Any double agent from russia caught is a dead one.

Double agent operates under the radar.

jaxxy:


Studying the dialogue carefully...

Sergery really wants to negotiate with the west 1st on the Minsk agreement b4 the next plans bt Putin obviously countered that..

Correct.

9gerian:
Trump is smart, and thinks America first, even when he acts friendly with Putin.

On the hand, Biden wants to outshine Trump, so he tries to piggy back on Trump policies without the full grasp of how Trump focuses on the Pareto principle of avoiding unnecessary conflict areas but focusing on measures that give the best and most impactful results. Putin incidentally, is also like that, hence the high chess moves that keeps the west guessing his next move. All that exist between Trump and Putin is a mutual respect for each other’s strengths of judgment.

Not many people are able to understand these complexities except the military industrial complex who work with the mainstream media to spin the narratives in their favor whether liberals or conservatives.

And you think America got this big and so many allies by thinking America first?

The two don't go hand in hand. It's why China and Russia are low on good allies, mopping up whoever the find.

America staying out of a lot of shit like 'smart man' Trump wanted who mean it lose it place and someone else picked it up. France was ready to do that for NATO, China was ready to fill the gap for WHO and the list go on and on.

America is in a unique position of being World leader and as such doesn't need to think isolation. Trump as a business man was thinking profit and saving cost which would have cost America's foreign policy in the long run. One of the reasons he was booted out.
Not very smart in the end tho

BritishNaija:


That is not a double agent, he was trying to tell putin to follow due process, but backed out from being nervous when putin started questioning him.

Any double agent from russia caught is a dead one.

Double agent operates under the radar.

I think not. Any objection to Putin's resolve would have been hidden behind the camera. He kept asking him to speak plainly. Clearly Putin was trying to send a message. We will never hear from that guy again.

Crafteck1:


Even their homeless are not dehumanized as an average citizen with home on other countries. And NO, homelessness isnt so rampant there.

You are deceiving your self. This is all what western media wants you to believe. They paint other coubtries bad, bro.
That is what they do. They are masters in propaganda. I used to reason like you until I started digging deep and met my USA friend and who told me more.


Baba, forget media. Western worlds know how to use media to make u believe that those countries that challenges them are wicked to their citizens.

Princedapace:

You are deceiving your self. This is all what western media wants you to believe. They paint other coubtries bad, bro.
That is what they do. They are masters in propaganda. I used to reason like you until I started digging deep and met my USA friend and who told me more.


Baba, forget media. Western worlds know how to use media to make u believe that those countries that challenges them are wicked to their citizens.

What do you think would haappen to a man that slaps chinese or russian president or a journalist that shoes him..

Well it depends on who profits.

Trump strategy favors the American people in terms of more value to them, less debts, and a somewhat conservative approach (through economic and military strength) to foreign policy issues. Trump was somewhat naive to think he can win for the second time against the US establishment who saw his first emergence as a big error. All final candidates for US elections are usually from the establishment. Trump was an anomaly.

Continuing the status quo for which he was booted out favors the military industrial complex, which is a part of the US establishment, and by extension the globalists who have an agenda to build a new world order using whoever was more successful, whether it is China, the US or any other block (EU). As long as everything fits into their plan for controlling the world, whatever it takes. Russia is an outsider of this movement but China is not.

That is why, Joe Biden or Obama can focus on Russia as a threat, while ignoring China that was going to, am has now overtaken the US economically. Trump came and reappraised the situation appropriately fingering China as the real enemy to the US economically.

That of course is another story entirely but still dovetails into this same subject but in a different way. Very complex but the end game is the same.

neuf:



And you think America got this big and so many allies by thinking America first?

The two don't go hand in hand. It's why China and Russia are low on good allies, mopping up whoever the find.

America staying out of a lot of shit like 'smart man' Trump wanted who mean it lose it place and someone else picked it up. France was ready to do that for NATO, China was ready to fill the gap for WHO and the list go on and on.

America is in a unique position of being World leader and as such doesn't need to think isolation. Trump as a business man was thinking profit and saving cost which would have cost America's foreign policy in the long run. One of the reasons he was booted out.
Not very smart in the end tho

Crafteck1:


I never said they are all good and holy but lets stop assuming we would do fine without them, if not for their monitoring spirit the leaders we have in Africa would charge us to breath air.

They are monitoring what is important to their interest, what have the democrats in America done about herdsmen killings in Nigeria, nothing, because Obama helped Buhari to power by sending his campaign manager David Axelrod to work with APC in repackaging Buhari from a dictator and tribalist to a Democrat.
What did they do to the Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman accused of murdering and decapitating the Saudi journalist Khashoggi, nothing, rather they sold billions of dollars of weapons to him.

Africans trying to stand up against their leaders are brutalised with western support like in ivory coast

lexy2014:


That is why I asked u "Was Libya under Gaddafi practicing the same system of govt as Britain?" Cos I don't remember a time in modern Britain when the prime minister was "selected" by parliament and where it is within the powers of the monarch to "approve" the appointment or "selection" of a prime minister. You are mixing things up

Go and read how British prime Minister I'd appointed, you are ignorant on that one

Walkee:
one question, who funded the Maidan coup?

Already made long reply to this but bot here banned me till the next day since two hours or more plus, i have to messaged the mod to unban me. Your answer is here.

Reason i stated you do not know the root of the problems; You just mentioned current President Zelensky, which was never where the problem started.

You failed to mention Petro Poroshenko(in office from 2014-2019) and Olekdandre Turchynov( The very acting president of Ukraine which Putin refused to recognize) after the impeachement of th Pro Russian Ukraine president Viktor Yanukovych( whom was accused of heavy corruption, and was the reason Euromaidan protest started from failing to do the right thing.

Guyman02:

Go and read how British prime Minister I'd appointed, you are ignorant on that one

Since u have read how the British prime minister is "appointed", kindly share it with me. Since you aren't ignorant, kindly clarify, is d prime minister of Britain"appointed"? Who does the appointment?

Was Libya under Gaddafi practicing the same system of govt as Britain?

Is it within the powers of the British monarch to "approve" the 'selection" of the prime minister?

imagine when the spy chief's wife watches this

lexy2014:


That is why I asked u "Was Libya under Gaddafi practicing the same system of govt as Britain?" Cos I don't remember a time in modern Britain when the prime minister was "selected" by parliament and where it is within the powers of the monarch to "approve" the appointment or "selection" of a prime minister. You are mixing things up

Go and read how British prime Ministers appointed, you are very current on that one

lexy2014:


Since u have read how the British prime minister is "appointed", kindly share it with me. Since you aren't ignorant, kindly clarify, is d prime minister of Britain"appointed"? Who does the appointment?

Was Libya under Gaddafi practicing the same system of govt as Britain?

Is it within the powers of the British monarch to "approve" the 'selection" of the prime minister?

That's not our argument, what I am saying is that every country should choose it's own system freely.
China is doing well and they don't practice western style democracy

Crafteck1:


Do your research, jaja of opobo, madam tinubu etc slavery was in africa centuries before Europe4an arrival, just like afrobeats

Whom were they dealing with?
Were slaves and resources exported from Africa to the West?
What led to the formation of countries like Liberia and co?
Keep living in self denial.
Hope you know when the Europeans first arrived Africa?

9gerian:
The negotiations failed already with the Ukrainian President insisting that he does not like the Minsk agreement, and therefore wouldn’t honor or implement it. This was an agreement drawn up when he was still a comedian, and signed by international partners to stop the war between Ukraine and the breakaway regions. It actually looked like the US instigated the Ukrainian President to reject the Minsk agreement else, how can a president just wake up and say he didn’t like an agreement drawn up and signed by international stakeholders, and still get the support of US for going against international arbitration. This meant that as long as you have US and NATO backing, any nation can do and undo without being held accountable. Russia has been the only nation, with China sometimes, that go against such double standards. Even then, the US still vetos and gets its way without much pushback, but will not allow other permanent members of the UN Security Council (Russia, China, not that these ones are even kind or holy) to control their own spheres of influence.

In all this, Russia was painted as the evil aggressor by the media controlled by the west, while the Ukrainian military continued shelling the breakaway regions, and had even planned to wipe out the separatists, hence the move by Russia to surround Ukraine with troops to discourage that.

Putin seemed to have moved forward with the recognition of the breakaway regions after realizing that the talks were not going anywhere as the stakeholders were not interested in implementation of the Minsk agreement. This in a way puts Ukraine on the back foot to prefer the Minsk agreement that they initially rejected over the current development.

The initial winner here is the US who has refused to sanction Russian oil and gas exports to the US because it will affect the US economy.

https://en.as.com/en/2022/02/16/latest_news/1645020978_604758.html

But on the other hand has forced Germany to jettison its own energy plans with the Nordstream 2 pipeline. Europe has once again been hoodwinked into self destruction while the US reaps the benefits of the crisis once again.

If there will be peace in Europe and other parts of the world, the US needs to stop cajoling the NATO and UN to fulfill only its own interests that thrives on destabilizing other countries (Iraq, Syria, Egypt, Libya, Yugoslavia etc) by sponsoring the change of government like in Ukraine, empowering insurgents like in Syria, Iraq, and generally acting like the world police etc.

Nobody knows the details of this Minsk agreement, things might have changed considerably ever since the agreement was reached. Concerning the sanctions, Europe is more concerned about the situation in Russia and Ukraine than the USA, so it is understandable if they are taking much of the burden of the sanctions.

you know western media are looking for anyway to manipulate putin

Guyman02:


That's not our argument, what I am saying is that every country should choose it's own system freely.
China is doing well and they don't practice western style democracy

And I didn't say that every country shouldn't freely choose its own. But in making your point, u claimed that the British prime minister is appointed and selected by the British Parliament and such appointment/selection is thereafter approved by the British monarch. Since u said that I am ignorant of the British system of government, I was expecting you to use your esteemed knowledge to clarify the claims u made

9gerian:
Well it depends on who profits.

Trump strategy favors the American people in terms of more value to them, less debts, and a somewhat conservative approach (through economic and military strength) to foreign policy issues. Trump was somewhat naive to think he can win for the second time against the US establishment who saw his first emergence as a big error. All final candidates for US elections are usually from the establishment. Trump was an anomaly.

Continuing the status quo for which he was booted out favors the military industrial complex, which is a part of the US establishment, and by extension the globalists who have an agenda to build a new world order using whoever was more successful, whether it is China, the US or any other block (EU). As long as everything fits into their plan for controlling the world, whatever it takes. Russia is an outsider of this movement but China is not.

That is why, Joe Biden or Obama can focus on Russia as a threat, while ignoring China that was going to, am has now overtaken the US economically. Trump came and reappraised the situation appropriately fingering China as the real enemy to the US economically.

That of course is another story entirely but still dovetails into this same subject but in a different way. Very complex but the end game is the same.

yet again, Biden Administration is the first to directly mention China has a direct threat to the US ignoring Russia.
Also, the US had a better GDP than China in 2021 but sure China has overtaken the US economically.

You guys always have the same M.O - globalist, someone somewhere controlling everything. Trump was the good guy, everyone else is bad.

Not true! That was exclusively Trump’s emphasis, and he was initially mocked for it. That’s why the mainstream media did everything to deflect the fact or credibility of anyone ascribing the covid 19 virus to a lab in Wuhan, China.

New information now points to the fact that there was a deliberate cover up by Fauci about the probable origins of covid 19 being from the Wuhan lab in China.

And about globalists. It is not someone somewhere but a group of people who try to set agenda for all of humanity in terms of what to hear from the media, what to think and how to control and direct the world affairs in line with such agendas. Support entities include WEF, Bilderberg group, council of foreign relations etc etc.

Again, these things are not straight jacketed but are part of a puzzle like kind of plan to determine a lot of things. And, all of it started with nations (led by the US) after world war 2 coming together to form the UN in order to prevent a similar occurrence, where one nation was able to move the way Germany did to take over the affairs of the world. Noble idea except that power corrupts, and soon some of the stakeholders began to do exactly what they were trying to prevent exploiting their new found powers, and through cooperation.

But hey, you can stick whatever narratives the main stream media continues to feed the world regardless of facts, that only get exposed belatedly. So… no offense here!

neuf:


yet again, Biden Administration is the first to directly mention China has a direct threat to the US ignoring Russia.
Also, the US had a better GDP than China in 2021 but sure China has overtaken the US economically.

You guys always have the same M.O - globalist, someone somewhere controlling everything. Trump was the good guy, everyone else is bad.

BritishNaija:


Already made long reply to this but bot here banned me till the next day since two hours or more plus, i have to messaged the mod to unban me. Your answer is here.

Reason i stated you do not know the root of the problems; You just mentioned current President Zelensky, which was never where the problem started.

You failed to mention Petro Poroshenko(in office from 2014-2019) and Olekdandre Turchynov( The very acting president of Ukraine which Putin refused to recognize) after the impeachement of th Pro Russian Ukraine president Viktor Yanukovych( whom was accused of heavy corruption, and was the reason Euromaidan protest started from failing to do the right thing.

yes I mentioned the current president because he is the one who has been shelling the DPR and LPR. Plus those Ukrainian names are very difficult to pronounce, spell and remember.
All presidents are heavily corrupt. The current president is very corrupt, he integrated nazis into their national guards and is completely controlled by the US.

No the Maidan coup was a funded revolution just like the numerous ones the West fund all over the world to install puppets like in Iran, Libya etc.

9gerian:
Not true! That was exclusively Trump’s emphasis, and he was initially mocked for it. That’s why the mainstream media did everything to deflect the fact or credibility of anyone ascribing the covid 19 virus to a lab in Wuhan, China.

New information now points to the fact that there was a deliberate cover up by Fauci about the probable origins of covid 19.

And about globalists. It is not someone somewhere but a group of people who try to set agenda for all of humanity in terms of what to hear from the media, what to think and how to control and direct the world affairs in line with such agendas. Support entities include WEF, Bilderberg group, council of foreign relations etc etc.

Again, these things are not straight jacketed but are part of a puzzle like kind of plan to determine a lot of things. And, all of it started with nations (led by the US) after world war 2 coming together to form the UN in order to prevent a similar occurrence, where one nation was able to move the way Germany did to take over the affairs of the world. Noble idea except that power corrupts, and soon some of the stakeholders began to do exactly what they were trying to prevent exploiting their new found powers, and through cooperation.

But hey, you can stick whatever narratives the main stream media continues to feed the world regardless of facts, that only get exposed belatedly. So… no offense here!

please can you point out Trump last year foreign policy by the state department.

You say the Globalist formed the UN, guess the country that's a permanent member of the UN Security Council... tadaaarh RUSSIA.
The same Russia you said was exempted. So Russia a.k.a USSR was part of the founding member of the UN a.k.a the globalist but somehow the globalist doesn't control Russia according to you earlier.

Does that even make sense to you?

Do you know why Philosophy still has a place in modern society? Because it ask questions. Maybe you should too. Like how can a group that can control the world through is whims allow an anomaly to occur in its grand plan.

Walkee:
yes I mentioned the current president because he is the one who has been shelling the DPR and LPR. Plus those Ukrainian names are very difficult to pronounce, spell and remember.
All presidents are heavily corrupt. The current president is very corrupt, he integrated nazis into their national guards and is completely controlled by the US.


No the Maidan coup was a funded revolution just like the numerous ones the West fund all over the world to install puppets like in Iran, Libya etc.

Ukraine was never shelling anyone if you are referirng about the false flag that happened prior to russia invading .

Please tell me who funded what coup? Mind choice of words you use, there was never a coup, a president was impeached by his people and not military overthrown.

BritishNaija:


Ukraine was never shelling anyone if you are referirng about the false flag that happened prior to russia invading .

Please tell me who funded what coup? Mind choice of words you use, there was never a coup, a president was impeached by his people and not military overthrown.

whether it was a coup or not depends on whom you ask. The Eastern Ukrainians call it a coup, the westerners call it a revolution. The endsars protest is called an attempted coup. The Jan 6th protest is also called a coup. Coup does not have to be military.

BritishNaija:


Ukraine was never shelling anyone if you are referirng about the false flag that happened prior to russia invading .

Please tell me who funded what coup? Mind choice of words you use, there was never a coup, a president was impeached by his people and not military overthrown.

and of course the Ukrainian national guards have been shelling the breakaway regions. They literally underground bunkers in their homes now. Did they build the bunkers 2 days ago?

Take it easy. You seem to be mixing things up, and not by a small margin.

https://www.google.com.ar/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/china-overtakes-us-as-worlds-largest-economy-2014-10%3famp

Foreign policy statements mean absolutely nothing when you can spin the narratives as you want. And by the way globalism was born by afterthoughts of what was possible given the immense power available and could not have been the people who formed the UN.

Also, you can plan as you want, but can’t determine the full outcome of any plan before hand.

A group of people can form a body, but some more active and perceptive people can hijack it if they have the means. Some groups of persons using state resources have been using the UN, NATo and other bodies to their advantage by destabilizing different countries under the guise of promoting freedom and democracy. We only see the after effect and facts after the deed and more damage is already done.

Again, you don’t have to take my word for it. Just go beyond listening only to the mainstream media, and check for alternative news and most importantly root causes. Read recent news and juxtapose with the facts released previously.

There after we can continue this discussion, which is fast becoming too emotional.

neuf:


please can you point out Trump last year foreign policy by the state department.

You say the Globalist formed the UN, guess the country that's a permanent member of the UN Security Council... tadaaarh RUSSIA.
The same Russia you said was exempted. So Russia a.k.a USSR was part of the founding member of the UN a.k.a the globalist but somehow the globalist doesn't control Russia according to you earlier.

Does that even make sense to you?

Do you know why Philosophy still has a place in modern society? Because it ask questions. Maybe you should too. Like how can a group that can control the world through is whims allow an anomaly to occur in its grand plan.

Walkee:
and of course the Ukrainian national guards have been shelling the breakaway regions. They literally underground bunkers in their homes now. Did they build the bunkers 2 days ago?

Please which shelling are you talking about? was it the one that happened past days?

Walkee:
whether it was a coup or not depends on whom you ask. The Eastern Ukrainians call it a coup, the westerners call it a revolution. The endsars protest is called an attempted coup. The Jan 6th protest is also called a coup. Coup does not have to be military.

Please that is not a coup.
A coup is a violent seizure of power illigally. The removed president was impeached legally by Ukraine parlaiment members.

You saying eastern ukrainians call it a coup does not hold any water, as the president was duely impeached. Then putin started his madness in estern ukraine.

Please do not defind endsars protest as attempt coup, as it just laughable

BritishNaija:


Please which shelling are you talking about? was it the one that happened past days?

the Ukrainian government have been at war with the break away region naa. There are countless number of videos even on Twitter where normal citizens are running to hide inside bunkers in their own homes. If they hadn't been receiving mortars since why would they need bunkers in their own homes.
The war has been on since they broke away. The world didn't care until the Russian military build-up. Even now Russian troops have not crossed into Ukraine but those regions are getting bombarded. So whom are they bombarding, Russian troops who are still in Russia? They have been doing the exact same thing they're doing now, it is just making the news now because Russia stepped in

Guyman02:


Gaddafi made his position to be more of ceremonial with the Prime Minister been the real leader of government under the Libyan constitution but Britain destroyed that country because that system which made Libya to be the most prosperous country in Africa was not acceptable to him.
Now see how arms have flooded Nigeria from the action of NATO in Libya

Gaddafi was a dictator and his position was not ceremonial. He was a defactor ruler. You don't create monarchy when there is none.