fergie001:

So from the years you have spent on NL, including with your former moniker, you still do not know that the Constitution is the grundnorm and every other law/bill will derive its source from it.

You do not know that the decree/bill you are speaking about has been shut down by several Courts, including the Appeal Court in this Country for been in contradiction to the Constitution.

You also do not still know that any alteration (i.e. addition/subtraction of words) of the Constitution must meet the conditions set in Section 9 of the 1999 CFRN. That is to say, National Assembly and then State Legislatures.

When you hear Exclusive Legislative List, is it not talking about the Constitution?

Yet, you are calling me a Joker.....NL is for us to communicate & not go around calling names.

Which document is the Exclusive Legislative List contained in?

adamsmith914:
One question did your state house of assembly vote on the electoral act about to be signed by the President?

The electoral bill isn't a constitutional amendment Mumurist. How about asking about the not too young to run bill the state houses voted on. The answer to that is yes they did.

adamsmith914:
One question did your state house of assembly vote on the electoral act about to be signed by the President?

You see the problem you have and you are calling names....

Whenever there is an Act of the National Assembly not contained thereof in the Constitution, it falls exclusively to the National Assembly and not State Legislatures.

The Electoral Act is not a product of the Constitution but an Act of the National Assembly. They don't need State Legislatures to tinker with it.

adamsmith914:
Ignoramus,
2. An Act of the National Assembly for the alteration of this Constitution, not being an Act to which section 8 of this Constitution applies, shall not be passed in either House of the National Assembly unless the proposal is supported by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of all the members of that House and approved by resolution of the Houses of Assembly of not less than two-thirds of all the States.

It is there in print Mumu, where section 8 of the Constitution applies, VAT does not fall under section 8 of the Constitution, so a State house of assembly has no jurisdiction.

It says not being in Section 8 you Mumurist. Lol this is why you failed your exams.

Blue3k:


The electoral bill isn't a constitutional amendment Mumurist. How about asking about the not too young to run bill the state houses voted on. The answer to that is yes they did.

Re: Lawmakers To Vote On VAT, Power Devolution, Others by Blue3k(m): 10:42am
The lawmakers will vote on the proposal to put VAT on the Exclusive List, which will take it within the purview of only the Federal Government.

Lol they'll won't get the votes at the state legislatures to make this happen. States aren't going to give up power unless you're offering alot of powers and tax incentives..
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Don’t change the narrative, the bolded is your argument, not any constitutional change you are purporting to claim now.

adamsmith914:
Which document is the Exclusive Legislative List contained in?

Go to the Second Schedule of the 1999 CFRN.

You need to understand the step(s) of Constitutional Amendment:

The Senate and HoR will vote in different gathering.

The Senate must have 72 Senators and the HoR 240 members agree for each of the items excepting those bothering on boundary adjustments, creation of States and LGAs and fundamental human rights clauses.

For the issues I exempted, the Senate & HoR need 87 Senators and 288 members of the HoR agree to every item.

If there seem to be some disagreements, they will call for what they call harmonisation to collectively agree on items that are in contention.

When this is done.....It is now sent to the State Legislatures who will only chorus Yes or No or by votes. 24 States must say yes or no or vote in accordance on each item.

All the votes and proceedings will be sent to the NA and then transmitted to the President to sign and it becomes law.

fergie001:

Go to the Second Schedule of the 1999 CFRN.

Ok, I thought you said it was not in the Constitution?

adamsmith914:


Re: Lawmakers To Vote On VAT, Power Devolution, Others by Blue3k(m): 10:42am
The lawmakers will vote on the proposal to put VAT on the Exclusive List, which will take it within the purview of only the Federal Government.

Lol they'll won't get the votes at the state legislatures to make this happen. States aren't going to give up power unless you're offering alot of powers and tax incentives..
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Don’t change the narrative, the bolded is your argument, not any constitutional change you are purporting to claim now.

Mumurist I didn't change the arguement at all. Just admit you're too idiotic understand how the constitution works. In order to get the law change you will need the proposal ratified by the state which requires votes by the state houses of Assembly. The what I said rephrase.

Blue3k:


Mumurist I didn't change the arguement at all. Just admit you're too idiotic understand how the constitution works. In order to get the law change you will need the proposal ratified by the state which requires votes by the state houses of Assembly. The what I said rephrase.

Putting VAT on the Exclusive Legislative List needs approval from State House of Assemblies as claimed by your ignorant self, or are you denying what you said?

adamsmith914:
Putting VAT on the Exclusive Legislative List needs approval from State House of Assemblies as claimed by your ignorant self, or are you denying what you said?

Lol you're mentally challenged. I hope you don't pass this affliction on to your children. I'll repeat the state assemblies have to ratify the bill to in order to put vat on exclusive list. I didn't contradict myself you're just too dumb to understand basic ideas.

9.1
The National Assembly may, subject to the provision of this section, alter any of the provisions of this Constitution.

2. An Act of the National Assembly for the alteration of this Constitution, not being an Act to which section 8 of this Constitution applies, shall not be passed in either House of the National Assembly unless the proposal is supported by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of all the members of that House and approved by resolution of the Houses of Assembly of not less than two-thirds of all the States.

3. An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of altering the provisions of this section, section 8 or Chapter IV of this Constitution shall not be passed by either House of the National Assembly unless the proposal is approved by the votes of not less than four-fifths majority of all the members of each House, and also approved by resolution of the House of Assembly of not less than two-third of all States.

Blue3k:


Lol they'll won't get the votes at the state legislatures to make this happen. States aren't going to give up power unless you're offering alot of powers and tax incentives..

Most States are even alright with the status quo, expect a very few selfish states like Lagos State, Rivers State, Abuja beneficiaries that have a very high Federal Government presence, which gives them very high taxable revenue.

How can Gombe, Kogi, Ekiti, Nassarawa ie collect coordinated tax state wide, do you know where the FIRS or IRS in your state is?

garfield1:


Let's see but if it passes nass,state assembly stage will be a formality

I will have preferred an out-of-court, so as to favour slightly those who are challenging it. They do have a point.

adamsmith914:
Most States are even alright with the status quo, expect a very few selfish states like Lagos State, Rivers State, Abuja beneficiaries that have a very high Federal Government presence, which gives them very high taxable revenue.

How can Gombe, Kogi, Ekiti, Nassarawa ie collect coordinated tax state wide, do you know where the FIRS or IRS in your state is?

Mumurist since you're finally done arguing about if a Constitutional amendment is needed you switched topic. Lol you're truly a foolish human being. How can it take 20 minutes to get basic facts in your thick skull. Anyway we'll see if they're ok with VAT being on the Exclusive list when its time to vote to ratify the amendment.

9.1
The National Assembly may, subject to the provision of this section, alter any of the provisions of this Constitution.

2. An Act of the National Assembly for the alteration of this Constitution, not being an Act to which section 8 of this Constitution applies, shall not be passed in either House of the National Assembly unless the proposal is supported by the votes of not less than two-thirds majority of all the members of that House and approved by resolution of the Houses of Assembly of not less than two-thirds of all the States.

3. An Act of the National Assembly for the purpose of altering the provisions of this section, section 8 or Chapter IV of this Constitution shall not be passed by either House of the National Assembly unless the proposal is approved by the votes of not less than four-fifths majority of all the members of each House, and also approved by resolution of the House of Assembly of not less than two-third of all States.

fergie001:

I will have preferred an out-of-court, so as to favour slightly those who are challenging it. They do have a point.

True but resources in Nigeria is just too skewed. It is like saying oil producing States should take all the oil revenue....

This is my own organogram of how they might vote...

Rivers 0 aye,
Delta 2 aye
Bayelsa 3 aye
Edo 2
Crs 1
Aks 1
Anambra 3
Abia 2
IMO 2
Enugu 2
Ebonyi 2
Lagos 0
Ogun 1
Osun 2
Ondo 2
Ekkiti 2
Oyo 2
Plateau 2
Kwara 3
Niger3
Nasarawa 3
Benue 1
Kogi 3
Yobe 3
Borno 3
Bauchi 3
Gombe 2
Taraba 2
Adamawa 2
Zamfara 2
Kebbi 2
Kano 3
Katsina 3
Jigawa _3
Kaduna 2
Sokoto 2

walemoney007:
They should not put VAT in the Exclusive list o abeg

The issue is still in court sef, I wander why they want to debate on it.

A lot of other things needs to be in the concurrent list too, things like establishment of ports and prisons etc.

This totally makes no sense to me. State Governments are not accountable to anybody. its only at the federal level we have checks and balances. So why give the states even more power

garfield1:
True but resources in Nigeria is just too skewed. It is like saying oil producing States should take all the oil revenue....

This is my own organogram of how they might vote...

Rivers 0 aye,
Delta 2 aye
Bayelsa 3 aye
Edo 2
Crs 1
Aks 1
Anambra 3
Abia 2
IMO 2
Enugu 2
Ebonyi 2
Lagos 0
Ogun 1
Osun 2
Ondo 2
Ekkiti 2
Oyo 2
Plateau 2
Kwara 3
Niger3
Nasarawa 3
Benue 1
Kogi 3
Yobe 3
Borno 3
Bauchi 3
Gombe 2
Taraba 2
Adamawa 2
Zamfara 2
Kebbi 2
Kano 3
Katsina 3
Jigawa _3
Kaduna 2
Sokoto 2

For or against?

fergie001:



For or against?

You saw the aye

blackpanda:


This totally makes no sense to me. State Governments are not accountable to anybody. its only at the federal level we have checks and balances. So why give the states even more power

I tell you.governors are getting more powerful than the president

garfield1:


You saw the aye

I don't think some will vote like that. Don't also forget for some, its power show.

garfield1:
I tell you.governors are getting more powerful than the president

It is because of the failed independence of other arms of Government at that level.

Why all our leaders like this country to be continuing backwards,, why they put VAT on it

Are they surpossed to vote on a matter that is in court?

Lawyers, we need answers

fergie001:

I don't think some will vote like that. Don't also forget for some, its power show.

It is because of the failed independence of other arms of Government at that level.

I took the power show into consideration in placss like akwa ibom,delta,Edo,Ogun,gombe etc...it might even come down to party lines..

Am on my way to ogoja against Saturday.am unable to log into inec result portal,log and see if there is a site problem

garfield1:


I took the power show into consideration in placss like akwa ibom,delta,Edo,Ogun,gombe etc...it might even come down to party lines..

I am on my way to ogoja against Saturday.am unable to log into inec result portal,log and see if there is a site problem

Just be vigilant......Wike dey town and it's gonna be hotttt!

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