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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by KingEverest: 7:58pm On Mar 02, 2022
JOemmy:



So WMD is now the new immunity to oppress and intimidate anyone?
perfectly correct
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Praxis758: 7:58pm On Mar 02, 2022
seunny4lif:
Taiwan should learn quick from Ukraine
China have nukes and USA don’t go to war with a nation that have nukes.



Lies!!!!!!!!!

Didn't Japan have a stockpile of Nukes when the US death with them in the second world war?

One thing is to have a stockpile of Nukes, another is to have a strong defense system to resist/stop your teritory from being nuked by the enemy.

Someone like North Korean leader has a stockpile of Nukes but doesn't have an air defense to protect his teritory from external nuke.

Do you think the US is so dumb that it won't prepare itself against being nuked by the enemy. They have THAAD and other air defense technologies whose speeds are calculated to be twice the speed of the fastest warhead from enemy arsenal.

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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by MikkySexy23(m): 8:00pm On Mar 02, 2022
The US cannot fight on multiple fronts. Not in Ukraine and Taiwan at the same time.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by emmaodet: 8:01pm On Mar 02, 2022
pansophist:


Without Swift, its still possible to trade internationally, just slower. Swift is like an airline, it makes international transfer faster than using papers and manual check. Also just few banks were cut off not Russia as a whole. Also, money can be rerouted through Singapore and Hong Kong. Swift is not a death sentence. Iran doesn't use Swift but they are doing fine.

Russia has its alternative to Swift known as the CIPS. Russia is a major economy, so lots of countries can join their access network with it, it's not hard. For example the EU still trade with Iran with INSTEX. And one thing people are not asking is this. How will the EU especially Germany and France pay Russia for their gas? Its the headache of the buyer to pay a seller, and if Russia demands gold or Remnibi, then the EU must cough it out.

About the war, I feel really bad about it, but I can see through Putin's eyes, the bigger tragedy he is trying to avoid. Trust me when I said this, this is nothing compared to what is to come if he does not invade now. It would take long but I'll try to explain it in shorts. In game theory, you must fight when you have the advantage, that's how you win. Also, you must know what victory is, and not fooled by momentary victories.

Putin fears that the faith of Yugoslavia will happen to Russia, and no amount of sanction will stop him from securing Russia's future. It's better to fight now and collect all the beatings of sanctions now that you're strong and can survive, than when nato bases surrounds you, and you'll he fighting both sanctions and war on your territory. Its a choice between "a war of choice" now, or "a war of survival" down the line. Its unavoidable, russia must face any of these two fate, and it's common sense to choose the former, not the latter. Sanctions will bite, but Ukraine will not join Nato and with time, sanctions will fade off, but Russia will still be intact.

That's true victory, instead of waiting until youre defeated because of sanctions. The hard way is always the way out in life. Also don't forget, Russia suffered worse economical situation than now. During the break up of the soviet Union, the inflation was so high that a bread cost over 2 billion rubles just like Zimbabwe where bread cost trillion of Zimbabwe dollars. Putin have spent the last decade sanction proofing Russia's economy and as luck may have it, China faces the same western hegemonic threat, and will lend Russia a hand because if Russia goes down, China is in deep soup. If you check out Russia and China in the map you'll see that China feel geographically secured because its impossible to invade them from the west, since they share a border with Russia.

For example its impossible to invade Nigeria from the north, unless you enter through Mali. Now imagine if Mali is an enemy, it would be a nightmare to defend yourself from the Atlantic ocean in the south, and Mali from North. Now imagine the eastside (Cameroon) and the west side (Benin republic) are enemy States, its hell. Luckily, China is exposed only from the SSC (south China sea), facing Japan and South Korea, so the opening is just one. For China, its a life and death issue because Russia must not fall. So they will support it. Putin and Xi are best friends and sign a memorandum of "no limit" to their friendship in the launch of the Beijing Olympic.

Now imagine this. For example, lots of Yugoslavian leaders ended up in ICC in The Hague after break off, where they became weak and become answerable to external powers. Also, Russia is truly an independent country, they control their destiny. No shell controlling their national oil but Gazprom. Strength wins war not who is right. Russia must withstand this tough time, if not, then even a bigger danger awaits them that will make the dissolution of the soviet Union seems like a slap in the wrist. Listen to the speech Putin gave before the war, he hinted a lot of these things.

You are right bro.

Good write up and break-down.
I learnt many things from this.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by pharmaking: 8:02pm On Mar 02, 2022
pansophist:


Without Swift, its still possible to trade internationally, just slower. Swift is like an airline, it makes international transfer faster than using papers and manual check. Also just few banks were cut off not Russia as a whole. Also, money can be rerouted through Singapore and Hong Kong. Swift is not a death sentence. Iran doesn't use Swift but they are doing fine.

Russia has its alternative to Swift known as the CIPS. Russia is a major economy, so lots of countries can join their access network with it, it's not hard. For example the EU still trade with Iran with INSTEX. And one thing people are not asking is this. How will the EU especially Germany and France pay Russia for their gas? Its the headache of the buyer to pay a seller, and if Russia demands gold or Remnibi, then the EU must cough it out.

About the war, I feel really bad about it, but I can see through Putin's eyes, the bigger tragedy he is trying to avoid. Trust me when I said this, this is nothing compared to what is to come if he does not invade now. It would take long but I'll try to explain it in shorts. In game theory, you must fight when you have the advantage, that's how you win. Also, you must know what victory is, and not fooled by momentary victories.

Putin fears that the faith of Yugoslavia will happen to Russia, and no amount of sanction will stop him from securing Russia's future. It's better to fight now and collect all the beatings of sanctions now that you're strong and can survive, than when nato bases surrounds you, and you'll he fighting both sanctions and war on your territory. Its a choice between "a war of choice" now, or "a war of survival" down the line. Its unavoidable, russia must face any of these two fate, and it's common sense to choose the former, not the latter. Sanctions will bite, but Ukraine will not join Nato and with time, sanctions will fade off, but Russia will still be intact.

That's true victory, instead of waiting until youre defeated because of sanctions. The hard way is always the way out in life. Also don't forget, Russia suffered worse economical situation than now. During the break up of the soviet Union, the inflation was so high that a bread cost over 2 billion rubles just like Zimbabwe where bread cost trillion of Zimbabwe dollars. Putin have spent the last decade sanction proofing Russia's economy and as luck may have it, China faces the same western hegemonic threat, and will lend Russia a hand because if Russia goes down, China is in deep soup. If you check out Russia and China in the map you'll see that China feel geographically secured because its impossible to invade them from the west, since they share a border with Russia.

For example its impossible to invade Nigeria from the north, unless you enter through Mali. Now imagine if Mali is an enemy, it would be a nightmare to defend yourself from the Atlantic ocean in the south, and Mali from North. Now imagine the eastside (Cameroon) and the west side (Benin republic) are enemy States, its hell. Luckily, China is exposed only from the SSC (south China sea), facing Japan and South Korea, so the opening is just one. For China, its a life and death issue because Russia must not fall. So they will support it. Putin and Xi are best friends and sign a memorandum of "no limit" to their friendship in the launch of the Beijing Olympic.

Now imagine this. For example, lots of Yugoslavian leaders ended up in ICC in The Hague after break off, where they became weak and become answerable to external powers. Also, Russia is truly an independent country, they control their destiny. No shell controlling their national oil but Gazprom. Strength wins war not who is right. Russia must withstand this tough time, if not, then even a bigger danger awaits them that will make the dissolution of the soviet Union seems like a slap in the wrist. Listen to the speech Putin gave before the war, he hinted a lot of these things.



E be like say make this write-up no finish.
Somehow, I am not used to reading long posts, but this one just fixed me glued wedged to the page.
Abeg which day you go post part 2.
One country no fit just dey dictate who gets what and who does what.

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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Pharmboy24: 8:03pm On Mar 02, 2022
Righteousness2:
We saw this Coming long time ago.

The World is being set up for Multiple wars,

Bible Endtimes Prophecies are lining up for Fulfillment.

The Physical Collaspe of " Mystery Babylon" aka rotten apple aka Nomerica is closer than we thought!

GOD is Shaking this World!
Live Ready Folks! Live in the Conciousness of the times we are in! Ensure you have a Genuie relationship with JESUS Christ.
It's almost time to go..
Shut the Bleep off you pig !!!
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Emu4life(m): 8:05pm On Mar 02, 2022
Toktee:
I expect nothing less from the Muslims World... if America is the devil what can you call the man that advise his followers to convert infidels with sword? The whole wide world only in America can you go and claim right, can you as a Muslim claim right in Saudi Arabia? the same Muslims were running and falling off the planes when the same devil was withdrawing from Afghanistan... your hate will only increase USA dominance on world stage while you continue losing weight.
Bring my enemies who refused that I should rule over them and slaughter them before me. Luke 19 vs 27
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Mumusaphire: 8:08pm On Mar 02, 2022
KingEverest:
grin for aboki to buy I guess but seriously China pose a bigger threat to America than Russia, China has the economy Russia is just a stock pile of nukes and Amunitions see how Western sanctions is crippling the economy but America sanctions wont work on China they have manage to grow their economy to extend it's challenging the us
bro, sanctions can cripple any country economy. Even if countries sanctions America, their economy will be cripple.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by KingEverest: 8:11pm On Mar 02, 2022
Mumusaphire:
bro, sanctions can cripple any country economy. Even if countries sanctions America, their economy will be cripple.
who will sanction America? God? grin
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by NairaMaster1(m): 8:12pm On Mar 02, 2022
Fessborn:
I smell China is looking for a more tangible reason to engage US better than supporting Russia's invasion of Ukraine

China with about 2B people won't go to war. US has been present in S/Korea and Taiwan for decades. You guys are just doing African analysis. War leads a nation to poverty. It's only fools that go to war. Even the Russians are protesting while Nigerians living in the world's headquarter are here jubilating and hailing Russia and China but are all looking for visa to Europe and the US the hate.

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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Mumusaphire: 8:13pm On Mar 02, 2022
KingEverest:
who will sanction America? God? grin
let her over do na.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by collagiatepaper: 8:14pm On Mar 02, 2022
You are the one that has been brainwashed. What I stated is a fact and none of your silly postulation can change that reality.

[s]
obailala:

For even daring to admit the bolded statement with so much confidence and without shame, this one has obviously been brainwashed severely by the western propaganda.
What/Who gives any country the right to invade another sovereign country militarily? Who/what gives a country the right to be "world police" like you put it? There's no absolutely no difference between what the US has done in countless number of sovereign nations and what Russia or China are doing today.
[/s]
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by InoGetJoy: 8:18pm On Mar 02, 2022
streetsoldier1:


Ayan kwandem... grin
E be like say i go move go ukraine oo, then to taiwan, make i go pack the kwandem ayon sell give aboki
hahahahahahahah
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by pansophist(m): 8:19pm On Mar 02, 2022
pharmaking:




E be like say make this write-up no finish.
Somehow, I am not used to reading long posts, but this one just fixed me glued wedged to the page.
Abeg which day you go post part 2.
One country no fit just dey dictate who gets what and who does what.

Ask questions on anything that's not clear, then I'll write part two grin

Putin lived through the soviet era, he was a KGB agent stationed in Germany then, and experienced firsthand the break up of soviet Union, the hardship that Russians suffered from, and he described that moment as the biggest tragedy of the 21st century. The same man will never allow Russia, the largest country in the world break into many countries again the second time. Never.

The US could place their largest balkan military base in Kosovo (Bondsteel base) because Yugoslavia doesn't exist, it will never happen if it didn't collapse with the US interference. How about Lithuania, Estonia, Latvia? These countries are ex soviet States, but now the all have US bases in them. Russia can't accept it anymore. They can't breathe.

One advice I'll give anyone that want true history of politics on how the world work should stop listening to western media. It will never tell you the truth.

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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by InoGetJoy: 8:22pm On Mar 02, 2022
Sanchez01:
I said it from the start! Russia's invasion empowered tyrannical states. The outcome is the morale they need to proceed or withdraw.

China vs Taiwan is warming up.
India vs Bangladesh coming up.
North Korea vs South Korea coming up.

The United States might be invasive but a power void is dangerous to the entire world.
There's no state as tyrannical as the US has been. The US IS invasive, don't use might. How is a power void dangerous? Every country should be allowed to develop, stronger countries like the US has been oppressing weaker countries which is wrong. In case you don't know, the Boko Haram crisis was fueled by the US when they toppled Gadaffi's regime in Libya.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Loveknitting: 8:23pm On Mar 02, 2022
bahdpersona:
normal Life is boring

Eminem loose yourself I love that song.

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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Kdon2: 8:26pm On Mar 02, 2022
Emu4life:
You can only deceive people for a time not forever.
The Quran said;

“And say: Truth has now arrived, and Falsehood has
perished: for Falsehood by its very own nature is bound
to perish.” Holy Quran: Chapter 17 Verse 81
.

The whole world ranging from Africa, South America, Asia, Middle East have all seen the Hypocrisy of the West. Countries are now growing balls to confront the so called Almighty Devil.

Let's give it more time.

The devil is not the west but the head slammers! grin
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Bbbwings: 8:26pm On Mar 02, 2022
pansophist:


Without Swift, its still possible to trade internationally, just slower. Swift is like an airline, it makes international transfer faster than using papers and manual check. Also just few banks were cut off not Russia as a whole. Also, money can be rerouted through Singapore and Hong Kong. Swift is not a death sentence. Iran doesn't use Swift but they are doing fine.

Russia has its alternative to Swift known as the CIPS. Russia is a major economy, so lots of countries can join their access network with it, it's not hard. For example the EU still trade with Iran with INSTEX. And one thing people are not asking is this. How will the EU especially Germany and France pay Russia for their gas? Its the headache of the buyer to pay a seller, and if Russia demands gold or Remnibi, then the EU must cough it out.

About the war, I feel really bad about it, but I can see through Putin's eyes, the bigger tragedy he is trying to avoid. Trust me when I said this, this is nothing compared to what is to come if he does not invade now. It would take long but I'll try to explain it in shorts. In game theory, you must fight when you have the advantage, that's how you win. Also, you must know what victory is, and not fooled by momentary victories.

Putin fears that the faith of Yugoslavia will happen to Russia, and no amount of sanction will stop him from securing Russia's future. It's better to fight now and collect all the beatings of sanctions now that you're strong and can survive, than when nato bases surrounds you, and you'll he fighting both sanctions and war on your territory. Its a choice between "a war of choice" now, or "a war of survival" down the line. Its unavoidable, russia must face any of these two fate, and it's common sense to choose the former, not the latter. Sanctions will bite, but Ukraine will not join Nato and with time, sanctions will fade off, but Russia will still be intact.

That's true victory, instead of waiting until youre defeated because of sanctions. The hard way is always the way out in life. Also don't forget, Russia suffered worse economical situation than now. During the break up of the soviet Union, the inflation was so high that a bread cost over 2 billion rubles just like Zimbabwe where bread cost trillion of Zimbabwe dollars. Putin have spent the last decade sanction proofing Russia's economy and as luck may have it, China faces the same western hegemonic threat, and will lend Russia a hand because if Russia goes down, China is in deep soup. If you check out Russia and China in the map you'll see that China feel geographically secured because its impossible to invade them from the west, since they share a border with Russia.

For example its impossible to invade Nigeria from the north, unless you enter through Mali. Now imagine if Mali is an enemy, it would be a nightmare to defend yourself from the Atlantic ocean in the south, and Mali from North. Now imagine the eastside (Cameroon) and the west side (Benin republic) are enemy States, its hell. Luckily, China is exposed only from the SSC (south China sea), facing Japan and South Korea, so the opening is just one. For China, its a life and death issue because Russia must not fall. So they will support it. Putin and Xi are best friends and sign a memorandum of "no limit" to their friendship in the launch of the Beijing Olympic.

Now imagine this. For example, lots of Yugoslavian leaders ended up in ICC in The Hague after break off, where they became weak and become answerable to external powers. Also, Russia is truly an independent country, they control their destiny. No shell controlling their national oil but Gazprom. Strength wins war not who is right. Russia must withstand this tough time, if not, then even a bigger danger awaits them that will make the dissolution of the soviet Union seems like a slap in the wrist. Listen to the speech Putin gave before the war, he hinted a lot of these things.
Never knew about this. grin
Dem just start am see.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Missionaire: 8:27pm On Mar 02, 2022
JosephXavier:
This singular Russian act will only motivate China

The Chinese are not just spectators in that war but observe with keen interest to see the outcome which will determine their next line of action concerning the Taiwanese

US are now struggling more in terms of their external influence as usual when the democrats are in power

We Africans should just relax and enjoy the cinema as the proclaimed World powers take on themselves

If African leaders have sense, they should utilise this opportunity to develop their countries and stay away from supporting any of them

We can't be sacrificed as at the First World War
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Emu4life(m): 8:32pm On Mar 02, 2022
Kdon2:


The devil is not the west but the head slammers! grin
Your 'Lord and personal Saviour' Slammed his head in the Book of Mathew 26 vs 39cheesy
And going a little farther, Jesus fell on his face and
prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let
this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will,
but as you will.”

The laugh is on yougringrin
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by pansophist(m): 8:35pm On Mar 02, 2022
Bbbwings:

Never knew about this. grin
Dem just start am see.

Stop speaking in tongues. You be pastor? I no understand you
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by 5thcolm(m): 8:40pm On Mar 02, 2022
MikkySexy23:
The US cannot fight on multiple fronts. Not in Ukraine and Taiwan at the same time.

Yes, they can. The US army is the most active army in the past few decades
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by seunny4lif(m): 8:42pm On Mar 02, 2022
Japan have nukes cheesy grin
Praxis758:




Lies!!!!!!!!!

Didn't Japan have a stockpile of Nukes when the US death with them in the second world war?

One thing is to have a stockpile of Nukes, another is to have a strong defense system to resist/stop your teritory from being nuked by the enemy.

Someone like North Korean leader has a stockpile of Nukes but doesn't have an air defense to protect his teritory from external nuke.

Do you think the US is so dumb that it won't prepare itself against being nuked by the enemy. They have THAAD and other air defense technologies whose speeds are calculated to be twice the speed of the fastest warhead from enemy arsenal.

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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by jaxxy(m): 8:53pm On Mar 02, 2022
Mynd44:
The world has trabaye-ed

I am expecting India to give a warning on Bangladesh and Pakistan soon.

Seriously though, the US needs to mind their business more


What is wrong with free passage on international waters? Why is China so angry and upset over little things??

The ships passing international waters under freedom of navigation shouldn’t mean anything bt China must feel the need to react wrongly.

The US has been passing these waters for decades and enjoying a good relationship with China also.

China tone of language is completely unnecessary.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Kdon2: 8:59pm On Mar 02, 2022
Emu4life:

Your 'Lord and personal Saviour' Slammed his head in the Book of Mathew 26 vs 39cheesy
And going a little farther, Jesus fell on his face and
prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let
this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will,
but as you will.”

The laugh is on yougringrin

You mean Jesus Christ the greatest ever on Earth right? Na! He is not a head slammer
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by jaxxy(m): 8:59pm On Mar 02, 2022
Emu4life:
You can only deceive people for a time not forever.
The Quran said;

“And say: Truth has now arrived, and Falsehood has
perished: for Falsehood by its very own nature is bound
to perish.” Holy Quran: Chapter 17 Verse 81
.

The whole world ranging from Africa, South America, Asia, Middle East have all seen the Hypocrisy of the West. Countries are now growing balls to confront the so called Almighty Devil.

Let's give it more time.


The US will never invade a Democratic state. They only invade dictators who have become a threat. There is no hypocrisy in this.

Isreal and Palestine have a long going dispute over lands that has nothing to do with the the US who only try’s to mediate for peace. The US doesn’t intervene unless to broker peace on both sides. There is no hypocrisy.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by VirileNelly2420: 9:01pm On Mar 02, 2022
Svlla:
grin grin grin

Scrap iron asin aluminum condemn grin grin

How many kilos?

Where are my northern brothers grin
Lol... @scrap abi condemned iron!

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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by jaxxy(m): 9:03pm On Mar 02, 2022
Sanchez01:
I said it from the start! Russia's invasion empowered tyrannical states. The outcome is the morale they need to proceed or withdraw.

China vs Taiwan is warming up.
India vs Bangladesh coming up.
North Korea vs South Korea coming up.

The United States might be invasive but a power void is dangerous to the entire world.


The UN should intervene and mediate. It can’t be using alone defending its allies there has to be some form of dialogue, compromise and justice.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by 02Kebreal(m): 9:08pm On Mar 02, 2022
Svlla:
grin grin grin

Scrap iron asin aluminum condemn grin grin

How many kilos?

Where are my northern brothers grin



Iron condemn I go buy

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Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Bfly: 9:15pm On Mar 02, 2022
jaxxy:



The US will never invade a Democratic state. They only invade dictators who have become a threat. There is no hypocrisy in this.

Isreal and Palestine have a long going dispute over lands that has nothing to do with the the US who only try’s to mediate for peace. The US doesn’t intervene unless to broker peace on both sides. There is no hypocrisy.



Democracy cannot work everywhere. Let every country choose their fate. America's been imposing this shit on countries who are not even matured for it.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by jaxxy(m): 9:25pm On Mar 02, 2022
Bfly:




Democracy cannot work everywhere. Let every country choose their fate. America's been imposing this shit on countries who are not even matured for it.

They don’t impose it or oppose every no democratic government. Saudi, Kuwait, UAE, China have other forms of government and they work well together as much as they can bt a dictator respects no1 not even his people, it is not a form of government bt an abuse of government.
Re: Taiwan: China Threatens To Turn US Warship To Scrap Iron by Topmaike007(m): 9:27pm On Mar 02, 2022
Jeromejnr:


That is how you people said same about Russia before they started invading.
them wan put Taiwan for problem grin

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