Good day to everyone. Usually i don't talk that much about political events, at least not very seriously or engaged. i created this thread because of the level of misinformation and lack of information that i see many Christians parading at these interesting times. It is also triggered in answer to the JW's belief that there should be no christian in the military.

So we see two extremes at play. There are people that believe that there is no Christian involvement in warfare whatsoever, while they are some who believe God is always taking sides. So they think God has to be on a particular country's side, or a particular football team, or even a particular athlete. We see this often play out with predictions(so called prophecies).

Back to the matter. It is not news that there are two different Testaments and Dispensations as it were in the Bible. We are supposedly in the New Testament period or dispensation, so i will stay more on this in the OP. Before going into the Scriptures, the question to personal ask the reader is, do you live in a place with walls? Do you password or have you ever had to password a mobile phone, laptop, or email account? If yes, that is some form of SECURITY. We all put security and need security in different layers and levels of our lives. Security makes us safe(r). It is the same reason some people have dogs, guards, vigilante, mobile policemen and even soldiers. From the micro one person to the macro city/country/group. Security is a big deal and we are all involved in one form or the other. Putting an antivirus is some form of security.
The Bible does not speak against security or stop people from securing or guarding themselves, others or properties. In fact, Jesus was/is very concerned about where to put your treasures. He acknowledges that there are thieves, there is corruption, there is degradation. Paul said, he was several times in peril of robbers. It is biblically established that there is need for security at different levels as far as we are here on Earth.

Speaking of which, Heaven itself is said to have an army.
And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou? (Daniel 4:35)

This fact litters the scriptures and believers are even part of the "army of the Lord". Jesus Christ is in some quarters expected to come back with an army to execute judgement. People in the police or army are representatives of the State/Government and not just themselves. When a person in the army or any part of government carries out an action officially, he does it not on his own charges, but on the government. This is why the executioner is not a murderer. The "long arm of the law" is not anybody's personal arm. Jesus Christ or any of the apostles never condemned the army or said they could not be saved. He commended the great faith of the centurion. We also see a centurion believing in Him while He hung on the cross. We cannot be quick to forget Cornelius, the centurion soldier who was the first gentile floodgate recipient of salvation. If we look through the Acts of the apostles, we see centurions and soldiers guiding Paul and his co-travellers all the way to Rome.

Evidently, security personnel are useful to us as believers and to everyone in general. They are there to maintain law, peace and order which is the will of God. They are there to protect lives and properties, and defend the State. So be you a Roman soldier, a Nigerian soldier, a Ukrainian soldier, or a Russian soldier. They are biblically approved security personnel like every other good/legal work. A christian can be a soldier and an unbeliever can be a soldier. And you do your nation a good duty by defending it as ordered by law.

But what happens in times of war/battle? Is God on one side against another? It is virtually the same answer for every competitive endeavour of man, GOD IS NOT THERE.
We have christians in my school blue house, there are also christians in my school white house. Who is God supporting in our interhouse competition?
We have christians in my school STEM team, and you also have in your school STEM team. Who is God supporting at the Cowbell STEM competition?
My state/church has a football team and your state/church has a football team. Who is God siding in the national interstate competition?
My country has a relay team full of christians and your countey has a relay team full of christians too. Wow, We both print Jesus T-shirts even for the finals celebration. Who is Jesus siding in the Olympics?

This issues play out in myriads of situations. God is not partial. Imagine with an athlete was helped by the Umpire or by an enhancing drug. Most people will say that was cheating and unfair. But the same people think that God would cheat and give an unfair advantage. No, sorry, He doesn't play our little games.

Nonetheless, after i think the point has been well established, i need to add that there is the place of divine intervention. God is Sovereign. He may sometimes step in for a reason or the other. He might have mercy, He might resist the proud, He might answer a prayer, different reasons. On warfronts, we have heard several testimonies of divine protection due to some old mother's prayer somewhere for her soldier son. God can even show a boastful Nebuchadnezzarlike sportman that they race is not always for the swift.

So these supernatural interventions do sometimes happen and are not to be ruled out. But they are not a CONSTANT C as it were. God is not on Russia's side or on Ukraine's side. He's hardly ever on Nigeria's side contrary to many people's opinions and expectations in sports .

God is not siding anyone.

War was not the will of God from the beginning.

Satan and the fallen angels corrupted Man and its progeny.

Jesus is soon coming to end all wars and bring about the heavenly will to the new earth God promised us.

A child of God will be praying for peace and not war

obonujoker:
God is not siding anyone.

War was not the will of God from the beginning.

Satan and the fallen angels corrupted Man and its progeny.

Jesus is soon coming to end all wars and bring about the heavenly will to the new earth God promised us.

A child of God will be praying for peace and not war

Exactly. i find it funny that people somehow try hard to link the war to the Bible and to God.

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Exactly. i find it funny that people somehow try hard to link the war to the Bible and to God.

Most who do this, are conspiracy theorists....

There are Christians in both countries so from a Christian stand point all I can say is that stop the war, Christians from both sides are dying and I am not happy.

On God's stand point I dare not say anything. I nor get level reach that side, who God want to support He support, who He wants to hate He hates.

obonujoker:


Most who do this, are conspiracy theorists....

Yeah they are, but unfortunately they always tell the world that they are christians and they are using the Bible as their basis.

Still on christian soldiers, some people argue that there is ONE verse of the Bible that says
“Put your sword back in its place,” Jesus said to him, “for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. (Matthew 26v52)

And so because of this, christians cannot be soldiers. Yet these are people that are ready to use broken bottle and sticks to fight people. Every day they look for people to argue with and use their "clever words and arguments" to beat. They have being literally killed by the letter.

Jesus clearly told and taught His disciples to love their neighbours and enemies that persecute them for Christ's sake. He taught them not to take vengeance or "fight for Him". But on personal security and assignments, He taught them to be wise as serpents and harmless as doves. He told them to buy a sword. (Luke 22v36 - 38). In other words, they needed it for their personal safety and security in their frequent travels as evangelists. Not for personal vendetta or to settle scores.

Felimax:
There are Christians in both countries so from a Christian stand point all I can say is that stop the war, Christians from both sides are dying and I am not happy.

On God's stand point I dare not say anything. I nor get level reach that side, who God want to support He support, who He wants to hate He hates.

Very true, you have just spoken the word of God.

1Timothy 2v 1 I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks, be made for all men;

2 For kings, and for all that are in authority; that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and honesty.

3 For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;

4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

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Yeah they are, but unfortunately they always tell the world that they are christians and they are using the Bible as their basis.

Lol... true.

People will begin to see what they are, as their predictions always fail

Felimax:
There are Christians in both countries so from a Christian stand point all I can say is that stop the war, Christians from both sides are dying and I am not happy.

On God's stand point I dare not say anything. I nor get level reach that side, who God want to support He support, who He wants to hate He hates.

There are no Christians involved in the WARS!

Jesus' orders are as follows:

©When people are agitating over politics and some politicians are trying to instigate his disciples against their fellowman:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you! Matthew 5:43-44

©When we notice there is conflict between politicians and both side have supporters ready to kill one another:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her! Luke 21:20-21

©How should we view our neighbours either in the same place or far away lands?

The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:31


©What about our brothers (fellow Christians) in other lands?

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

"This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you" John 15:12


From all the above it's evident that there is no TRUE CHRISTIAN involved in the wars but it's a pity that even when they come to our doors to teach us these things most people mock and drive away Jesus' modern day disciples due to their former indoctrination.

Well they are globally known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

MaxInDHouse:



There are no Christians involved in the WARS!

Jesus' orders are as follows:

©When people are agitating over politics and some politicians are trying to instigate his disciples against their fellowman:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you! Matthew 5:43-44

©When we notice there is conflict between politicians are both side have supporters ready to kill one another:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her! Luke 21:20-21

©How should we view our neighbours either in the same place or far away lands?

The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:31


©What about our brothers (fellow Christians) in other lands?

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

"This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you" John 15:12


From all the above it's evident that there is no TRUE CHRISTIAN involved in the wars but it's a pity that even when they come to our doors to teach us these things most people mock and drive away Jesus' modern day disciples due to their former indoctrination.

Well they are globally known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

Oh! Sorry sir.
You are right there are no Christians in the war.


Na me wan follow you do that one?
I dey craze?

Felimax:

Oh! Sorry sir.
You are right there are no Christians in the war.

Na me wan follow you do that one?
I dey craze?

It's all about proof from the book where we read about the man Jesus of Nazareth who is called "CHRIST"

Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:

It's all about proof from the book where we read about the man Jesus of Nazareth who is called "CHRIST"

Thanks!

Hmmm!
The book of John chapter 6 will do justice to you.
Please do well to read it all. Please, take note of v41, this is how the JW see Jesus.
Take note of v51 this why no matter how many times you guys visit those who Christ has chosen can never be taken from him. They have what you guys don't have. It is like darkness going to preach to light.

Also take note of v55, this is the everlasting parallel line that is drawn between the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light and don't forget darkness can never comprehend light. It's not my fault you are like this, sorry sir.

Finally sir, I want you to take very important observation at what happen at v60, at this point the JWs totally refuse to accept Jesus's teaching and of course at v66 take note they shamefully walk away from the only source of light till date and this is the passage that gave birth to the watchtower society.

It's is not my fault you are like this sir.

I will refer you to one of your own publication titled Reasoning From The Scripture. Please, look for it very well take your time and study it. Open your mind as you do.

Don't just read only your Bible, be open minded and you will see what God wants you to see if you are not stubborn.

Shalom!

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Exactly. i find it funny that people somehow try hard to link the war to the Bible and to God.

obonujoker:
God is not siding anyone.

War was not the will of God from the beginning.

Satan and the fallen angels corrupted Man and its progeny.

Jesus is soon coming to end all wars and bring about the heavenly will to the new earth God promised us.

A child of God will be praying for peace and not war

Yet the book says the god ordered the Israelites to go war and the battle of Armageddon is supposedly gonna be Jesus returning with a whole army of saints. If war is not the god's will why does he keep using it? Who is forcing the god to use war?

LordReed:




Yet the book says the god ordered the Israelites to go war and the battle of Armageddon is supposedly gonna be Jesus returning with a whole army of saints. If war is not the god's will why does he keep using it? Who is forcing the god to use war?

The thread clearly refers to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine and other similar conflicts. Did you manage to read the OP?

Felimax:
There are Christians in both countries so from a Christian stand point all I can say is that stop the war, Christians from both sides are dying and I am not happy.

On God's stand point I dare not say anything. I nor get level reach that side, who God want to support He support, who He wants to hate He hates.

The above is enough to tell you who is one Jesus' side.

If you're worried about your so called "fellow believers in Christ" killing one another but at the same time heard of a group where killing of any kind has been squashed due to Jesus' teachings.
I believe Jesus' own words should be enough to help you out:

Matthew 7:21-23

I wonder what Jesus will feel when his so called followers are killing one another, even you an imperfect man can perceive that it's a bad sign (evil fruit) Matthew 7:16-18

Felimax:


Hmmm!
The book of John chapter 6 will do justice to you.
Please do well to read it all. Please, take note of v41, this is how the JW see Jesus.
Take note of v51 this why no matter how many times you guys visit those who Christ has chosen can never be taken from him. They have what you guys don't have. It is like darkness going to preach to light.

Also take note of v55, this is the everlasting parallel line that is drawn between the kingdom of darkness and the kingdom of light and don't forget darkness can never comprehend light. It's not my fault you are like this, sorry sir.

Finally sir, I want you to take very important observation at what happen at v60, at this point the JWs totally refuse to accept Jesus's teaching and of course at v66 take note they shamefully walk away from the only source of light till date and this is the passage that gave birth to the watchtower society.

It's is not my fault you are like this sir.

I will refer you to one of your own publication titled Reasoning From The Scripture. Please, look for it very well take your time and study it. Open your mind as you do.

Don't just read only your Bible, be open minded and you will see what God wants you to see if you are not stubborn.

Shalom!

Thanks for your time!

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The thread clearly refers to the ongoing war between Russia and Ukraine and other similar conflicts. Did you manage to read the OP?

I read the OP but I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to obonujoker and your comment, stating that war is not the god's will which you agreed with.

LordReed:


I read the OP but I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to obonujoker and your comment, stating that war is not the god's will which you agreed with.

War is not of God my brother....

It was the devil and fallen angels (parading themselves as gods i.e Ares Greek God of War); that introduced war into God's creation after the fall of man.

The only battle God is interested in, is the battle of the soul, where it will be at the last day.

LordReed:

I read the OP but I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to obonujoker and your comment, stating that war is not the god's will which you agreed with.

If WAR is no part of God's will for His worshipers {Matthew 7:21-23} then those involved in WARS are doing whose will? {John 8:44} and those teaching them claiming "men of God" are whose agents? 2Corinthians 11:14

obonujoker:


War is not of God my brother....

It was the devil and fallen angels (parading themselves as gods i.e Ares Greek God of War); that introduced war into God's creation after the fall of man.

The only battle God is interested in, is the battle of the soul, where it will be at the last day.

You didn't answer the question. Why does the god use war if it is not his will? Who is forcing him to use war?

MaxInDHouse:


The above is enough to tell you who is one Jesus' side.

If you're worried about your so called "fellow believers in Christ" killing one another but at the same time heard of a group where killing of any kind has been squashed due to Jesus' teachings.
I believe Jesus' own words should be enough to help you out:

Matthew 7:21-23

I wonder what Jesus will feel when his so called followers are killing one another, even you an imperfect man can perceive that it's a bad sign (evil fruit) Matthew 7:16-18




Thanks for your time!

Seriously, it's not my fault you are like this. The truth is scary right?
Did you read the passage I gave you?

You are welcome jare!

Felimax:

Seriously, it's not my fault you are like this. The truth is scary right?
Did you read the passage I gave you?
You are welcome jare!

You were worried over your so called Christians brothers who are killing their fellow believers while Jesus the man called Christ never approved such acts.
I quoted Jesus' words to show you those doing what Jesus taught but then you're quoting the scriptures out of context saying the real believers practicing what Jesus taught are false instead of using God's word to solve the problem you and your fellow religionists have.
Walahi talahi Satan is really crafty! 2Corinthians 4:4

LordReed:


I read the OP but I wasn't responding to the OP, I was responding to obonujoker and your comment, stating that war is not the god's will which you agreed with.

You should have connected it with the OP then. The OP mentioned that we were in a different dispensation or testament. That is how simple it can get i think. i will complicate things by saying all goals are goals but not all goals are counted, for example offside goals.

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You should have connected it with the OP then. The OP mentioned that we were in a different dispensation or testament. That is how simple it can get i think. i will complicate things by saying all goals are goals but not all goals are counted, for example offside goals.

In which dispensation is Jesus returning with an army of saints?

LordReed:


In which dispensation is Jesus returning with an army of saints?

Eschatologic dispensation. At least thank God we got the Old testament out, right?

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Eschatologic dispensation. At least thank God we got the Old testament out, right?

We didn't get the OT out unless you are saying it wasn't the god that ordered the Israelites to go to war in the OT.

What does eschatologic dispensation mean? And how does it answer my question?

LordReed:


We didn't get the OT out unless you are saying it wasn't the god that ordered the Israelites to go to war in the OT.

What does eschatologic dispensation mean? And how does it answer my question?

Okay oh. The laws and motives of the Old testament dispensation are different from that of the New testament dispensation. The New Testament contains a grand plan for the salvation of the world (Jews and Gentiles), actually Gentiles especially. And things got sort of ramped up. The standard got much different. Here you love your enemies and even turn the left cheek.
There's a period between the end of the Gentiles dispensation and the literal End of the world. It is called the Eschatologic period. Most of what is in Revelation. i think i just increased your confusion though.

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Okay oh. The laws and motives of the Old testament dispensation are different from that of the New testament dispensation. The New Testament contains a grand plan for the salvation of the world (Jews and Gentiles), actually Gentiles especially. And things got sort of ramped up. The standard got much different. Here you love your enemies and even turn the left cheek.
There's a period between the end of the Gentiles dispensation and the literal End of the world. It is called the Eschatologic period. Most of what is in Revelation. i think i just increased your confusion though.

What you did was not answer my questions. Lemme repeat them: If war is not the god's will why does he keep using it? Who is forcing the god to use war?

"IT'S NOT AS WE WISH BUT THAT THE WILL OF THE CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE BE DONE".

THAT IT IS FOR SELENSKY AND PUTIN.

MaxInDHouse:


There are no Christians involved in the WARS!

Statistics written in your hallways are irrelevant. Or do you have the Book of life excel sheet on your phone to come to this conclusion?

Jesus' orders are as follows:

©When people are agitating over politics and some politicians are trying to instigate his disciples against their fellowman:

“You heard that it was said: ‘You must love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ However, I say to you: Continue to love your enemies and to pray for those who persecute you! Matthew 5:43-44

You just copied and pasted from 1961 Awake without thinking. i told you yesterday to get your brain back from the hallway today and start using it. Jesus wasn't talking about politics or politicians in Matthew 5:43-44. This refers to every human being and their personal enemies. Your mother in law, your colleague that you are jealous of, your friend that backstabbed you etc.

©When we notice there is conflict between politicians and both side have supporters ready to kill one another:

“However, when you see Jerusalem surrounded by encamped armies, then know that the desolating of her has drawn near. Then let those in Ju·deʹa begin fleeing to the mountains, let those in the midst of her leave, and let those in the countryside not enter into her! Luke 21:20-21

Again, Jesus was answering questions posed to Him by His disciples about the end time. It was nothing to do with conflict between politicians. Get that brain bros.

©How should we view our neighbours either in the same place or far away lands?

The second is this, ‘You must love your neighbor as yourself.’ There is no other commandment greater than these.” Mark 12:31


©What about our brothers (fellow Christians) in other lands?

I am giving you a new commandment, that you love one another; just as I have loved you, you also love one another. By this all will know that you are my disciples—if you have love among yourselves.” John 13:34-35

"This is my commandment, that you love one another just as I have loved you" John 15:12

This is God's commandment for everyone to love. It says nothing about a cult organization that are more of a nuisance to their neighbors.

From all the above it's evident that there is no TRUE CHRISTIAN involved in the wars but it's a pity that even when they come to our doors to teach us these things most people mock and drive away Jesus' modern day disciples due to their former indoctrination.

Well they are globally known today as JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!

There is no link in the verses quoted and serving as a soldier. You can't just quote verses and interprete them privately by the whims of Awake. Security is a fundamental part of the world we live in and you are a partaker in it no matter how ridiculously you twist and turn.

LordReed:


What you did was not answer my questions. Lemme repeat them: If war is not the god's will why does he keep using it? Who is forcing the god to use war?

How can He keep using it if He's hardly involved in it for over 2022 years? The sentences don't add up.