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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by tnerro1(m): 10:49am On Mar 17, 2022
See scence, the money we are meant to pay you is in the account that you have frozen, we give you the go ahead to take the money we owe you from the account you froze.

Chai, I like these Russians, scence no go kill them grin
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by djon78(m): 10:50am On Mar 17, 2022
wisdomIspeace:
There should be balance!!!
because they dominate internet and everything u find it hard to hear Russia side of the story..
It is now I understand why china wat they did by providing alternative to western media and banning dem in dia country.

You see the Chinese are so much smarter than we envisage them

When I did some trip to Asia my world view completely changed

Oh that Africa should learn from these folks. We have so much to learn.

Facebook, Twitter and many social media are banned in China
They have there own version and there founders are also big billionaires
Look at how tiktok has entered the global social media. It's from China

Wonder why Trump went after Huawei, they have become massive.

See the black man is the worst hit and he needs to get Sense or else colonialism 2.0 will continue. While our intellectuals and ideologists are licking the butt of the West, no creativity, no outside the box thinking. Only buffoonery

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by 00FFT00(m): 10:51am On Mar 17, 2022
controlaltdeleat:
My thinking thinking is this Ukraine has its foreign reserve in dollar just as Russia. Russia carry tanker and bomb Ukraine to rubbles. Ukraine will now use its foreign reserver and its economy will go into complete coma while Russia will go back home to Moscow and drink tea and its foreign reserve intact. Whatever Putin is smoking, the thing strong wella

When the dust settles, any agreement to rehabilitate Russia into the world economy must include using its seized assets to rebuild and restore the Ukrainian people.

A post Putin government will readily acquiesce to that arrangement.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by mach7(m): 10:54am On Mar 17, 2022
ecolime:

They are simply telling all their creditors they have more than enough money to service their debts. But US has frozen the money, so dont disturb us. Tell the US to unfreeze it

Russia is right on this one IMO. It's an artificial default.. lol

This guy's level of madness na grade 1. grin

BTW, Ukraine has accepted to be a neutral state so why prolong the war again?
A country that has agreed to be a neutral state will not still be seeking for weapons, missiles and aircraft to continue prolonging the conflict.

The Ukrainians say one thing today and then tomorrow, say something else. This means that they and their masters in Washington DC haven't really come to the realization that the operation will continue until all the stated goals are met, which is the demilitarization and denazification of Ukraine. The goals will be achieved either militarily or around the negotiating table.

BTW, on the debt payment, it isn't madness but commonsense. The knew that Russia had debt obligations to pay and yet they went to ahead to freeze the money to be used in repaying. Who is the defaulter here, Russia or the West?

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by funshint(m): 10:55am On Mar 17, 2022
Sanchez01:
You can't supposedly make a payment from a frozen asset. It's like owing and then the bank, CBN or EFCC had already frozen your account but then you tell your debtor "I have the money but can't touch it because it is frozen. However, I have written a cheque, now it is up to the CBN or EFCC (to unfreeze my account in order for my debt to be made) and they should be held responsible if my debt is not cleared."
If you're owing a bank and the bank decides to freeze your account, is it not just logical for the bank to remove the amount you owe from your account or where else do they expect you to make payment?

I don't understand how these Russians think or do things.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by drmuchin: 10:58am On Mar 17, 2022
tonididdy:
Isn't it stupidity that a nation will save her nation's money in another nation's bank? undecided

VERY STUPID
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Invitationn: 11:02am On Mar 17, 2022
Sanchez01:
You can't supposedly make a payment from a frozen asset. It's like owing and then the bank, CBN or EFCC had already frozen your account but then you tell your debtor "I have the money but can't touch it because it is frozen. However, I have written a cheque, now it is up to the CBN or EFCC (to unfreeze my account in order for my debt to be made) and they should be held responsible if my debt is not cleared."

I don't understand how these Russians think or do things.
It's valid.
The knowledge of their frozen assets is public.
International nvestors can't pretend they don't know.
Also, there's another plan to pay them in rouble if the foreign assets remain frozen.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Invitationn: 11:04am On Mar 17, 2022
Kingpele:
They don't want u to access their currency, so use your useless rubles to service your debt
It's more complicated than that.
Their currency but Russian assets right? Russian sweat.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by needanswer: 11:04am On Mar 17, 2022
MangekyoAlt:

Russia's debt is actually smaller than I expected. Meanwhile USA's external debt is bigger than their entire GDP. 20.94 trillion USD to 30 trillion USD debt grin
Imagine say na USA receive these sanctions wey russia receive. There would've been no hope for their stupid asses

Majorly internal debt not external debt. The difference is very important in the stability of the dollar, if not the dollar will have to be devalued drastically.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Chukwudozzie(m): 11:07am On Mar 17, 2022
Brilliant move, these guys really thought this through. And if the order isn't obeyed, then payment will have to be made in rubees.
Hmmm this is getting interesting.


Mynd44:


Queen to D7; Check!
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Sanchez01: 11:12am On Mar 17, 2022
Invitationn:

It's valid.
The knowledge of their frozen assets is public.
International nvestors can't pretend they don't know.
Also, there's another plan to pay them in rouble if the foreign assets remain frozen.
The condition of their bond is to pay in USD. They chose that. They will automatically default if they move to pay in Ruble.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by BabaIbo: 11:13am On Mar 17, 2022
NGArmyTerrorist:
My love for Putin! They have the money in their foreign account which is in US and they want to use that money to pay, they are not spending shi shi from Russia paying for those bonds. Since the bond had matured, US should unfreeze the account so that creditors can get their money back simple. Russia had messed up US.. The ball had been shifted to the court of US; let's hear their reasons and defence on why they will not unfreeze the account so that creditors can their their money back. Russia not owing anybody. US is becoming useless day by day! Holding US in the scrotum!

I don't expect head slammers to reason properly, when they have slammed off their sense.

You think those handling USA's is dumb as you?
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by GerogeI(m): 11:19am On Mar 17, 2022
Advision:


Now I know many argue blindly here. Only government held investment funds with a political mandate symphathic to russia will be willing to invest in their debt market right now.

Even their stock and capital market remains closed because most international companies are are the door waiting to exit the economy.

Neither the economy of russia nor ukraine will come off better from this war

https://www.aa.com.tr/en/russia-ukraine-war/russia-s-stock-market-to-remain-closed-this-week/2534261
You mean most western companies.
You guys seem to be unable to wrap your heads around the fact that out of the 7billiion people on earth, western countries are just about 20%.

Why you keep masking western intrest as international interest is rooted in colonial brainwashing.

China, Iran, Turkey, India, all have investors.
Even western investors will still lend to Russia irrespective after the war. They will only lend in Rubble. Lending to Russia is still less risky than lending to Nigeria because they truly have the money to pay.

Post this conflict, you will see new trading platforms that are alternatives to western systems. Any country with responsible leaders will ensure their financial system is not solely dependent on swift fir international banking. The same will apply to other business the west are manipulating. More countries will begin to censor and restrict social media, since they can be manipulated by their home governments.

Nobody is called "International". It is a term used to give the impression that we are collectively bigger than you.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by dontai(m): 11:23am On Mar 17, 2022
GerogeI:


You do not understand because you are one of the minions who think somebody somewhere in the Americas owns the whole world and can sanction you.

Your analysis are wack because as a citizen you are subject to a government, so your account can be frozen as the government is superior to you.

Russia is a sovereign government, US is an equal colleague. US cannot punish or pass judgement on an equal government. So Russia is simply saying for all our debtors who are in the US, or Europe, we have made available your money, hold your home government responsible if they block the funds from flowing into your accounts
This way, the US and allies will be shooting them selves in the foot by their sanctions, just like they did with oil. Since they will only be punishing their own citizens only. So Russia will hence forth be using the so called frozen funds to be paying their debtors from western countries.
.But Russia can tell a sovereign country who to associate with, abi? two can play the game sir.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by shogz89: 11:25am On Mar 17, 2022
Sanchez01:

True and they printed snout $3 trillion or more just last year. That said, printed monies were pumped into the economy by buying bonds from financial institutions.

The idea behind putting money into the economy as in the case of the United States was to drive down interest rates and hope that people and businesses borrow and spend more, and in the process revive the American economy. More importantly, the demand for the USD will always make them print more as it is almost a global currency.

Not in case of Russia and its Ruble. If that happens, the currency's value would plunged the moment the new monies are released and would create a pin sharp inflation instantly. An African country tried this, thinking it would solve their financial problems economically. We all know what is happening to their economy now.
lol.. so why is inflation affecting America now? Look at the way you are justifying printing a whooping 3 trillion dollars just to drive down interest rate. You people criticized Nigeria for printing more money couple of years ago. Russia can print rubbles and pay in rubbles if their foreign reserve remain sanctioned and there is nothing any creditor can do about it. Otherwise they wont get a dime until the sanction is relaxed.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Czarina21(f): 11:26am On Mar 17, 2022
sosanova:




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cheesy grin grin
Putin is a real confused comedian, him and his team know nothing about Economics.
The sanctions has affected their sense of reasoning.

Russia's still got SDR to the IMF, as a last resort though.
What's happening here is that Russia is trying to pass the buck to America, as the excuse for onigbese.
America would hold on to the frozen assets forcing Russia to exhaust it's backups thereby crippling the economy.
The people in turn get fed up and oust their war lord.
Talk about Libya on repeat.
US really fucckked Russia up economically , psychologically and financially


https://www.reuters.com/business/finance/russia-rouble-payment-usd-coupons-would-be-sovereign-default-fitch-2022-03-15/
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by shogz89: 11:29am On Mar 17, 2022
bizzibodi:

You comparing US with Russia? US can print more $$$$$to clear all her debt if she wish but Russia can't print USD, her rubble is useless no country will accept it.
Russia can print rubble and pay rubble if they don't have access to their reserve to pay their western creditors. Any western creditor that doesn't accept it will wait until the sanction is off.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by tradepunter: 11:32am On Mar 17, 2022
Hahahahahah.... A propaganda crap from Russian state media...

Men useless thread.... Next
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by donbrowser(m): 11:36am On Mar 17, 2022
NGArmyTerrorist:
My love for Putin! They have the money in their foreign account which is in US and they want to use that money to pay, they are not spending shi shi from Russia paying for those bonds. Since the bond had matured, US should unfreeze the account so that creditors can get their money back simple. Russia had messed up US.. The ball had been shifted to the court of US; let's hear their reasons and defence on why they will not unfreeze the account so that creditors can their their money back. Russia not owing anybody. US is becoming useless day by day! Holding US in the scrotum!

Mumu of the century lol.

You have 10 million naira in your account
EFCC freeze your account. They took you to court and judge ask you to pay 2 million naira for bail. Will you tell the court to unfreeze your account first or look for another money?

grin grin grin

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by donbrowser(m): 11:38am On Mar 17, 2022
shogz89:
Russia can print rubble and pay rubble if they don't have access to their reserve to pay their western creditors. Any western creditor that doesn't accept it will wait until the sanction is off.

They will lose a lot of money paying through ruble. Imagine getting a debt at 400/$ and you're willing to pay it at 600/$

That's wassup with rubble now.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Sanchez01: 11:38am On Mar 17, 2022
shogz89:
lol.. so why is inflation affecting America now? Look at the way you are justifying printing a whooping 3 trillion dollars just to drive down interest rate.
Justifying? Because I explained what they used the printed $3 trillion for? For the record more than 80% of the USD is outside the United States.

You people criticized Nigeria for printing more money couple of years ago.
I know where you are headed already but you are grossly mistaken. Printing more money isn't the problem. The question, is what would the monies be used for? The US printed to invest bonds and make businesses and business owners borrow more. Nigeria, on the other hand, printed to pay state governments and worse, WE SPENT N58.6b to print a meagre N2b! You don't print notes to circulate just because the economy is bad.

Russia can print rubbles and pay in rubbles if their foreign reserve remain sanctioned and there is nothing any creditor can do about it. Otherwise they wont get a dime until the sanction is relaxed.
ALL of you PUTIN BOYS have one thing in common and it is the fact that you don't understand what you argue or fight over but still fight anyways. Even if Putin prints Russian Rubles that can fill the whole of Russia, he can't pay with them because Russia's bond was denominated in Dollars. Attempting to pay in Ruble is automatic default. You're supposed to know this but no, you embody the classic PUTIN BOYS.

All the best.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by GerogeI(m): 11:38am On Mar 17, 2022
danteg:

Please I'm kinda confused, this might be a stupid question but why do countries not house their own foreign reserve on their own soil or is that the prerequisite of a foreign reserve. Is it like a Nigerian opening an account in Ghana and saving in Ghana cedis, won't it be possible to create the account in Nigeria and save in that currency, just like we do with a dollar account?

I get your confusion, its because in Nigeria politicians have been telling us that foreign reserve is where they store our wealth.

Foreign reserve is an emergency fund you hold of other countries currencies for emergencies. So if you had a natural disaster or war you can simply use your foreign currency to import what you need. Because the currency is in another governments, who are usually your major trading partners, it makes more sense to leave in with a bank in that country. So Russia does not hold just USD, they will hold Chinese Yuan, and Euros, etc. Some they will also keep as cash with the Russian central bank. They will also keep gold, silver, etc, in case they enter a situation where currencies fail.

That's why we keep shouting about the idiots who keep stock piling USD at Nigerian CBN at the detriment of the economy. Once your reserve size can fund your imports for 3 to 5 years, in which time you would have recovered, you do not need more reserve. Rater you pump your wealth back into your economy to make it grow.

One of the new ideas around this is sovereign wealth funds. Norway, an European country that is less than 20million or so, has become so rich from oil, that they want to save money for their children. So they go to other countries with bigger economies and keep their extra funds in fixed deposits as investments that their children can recoup. This is a risky way to store wealth, because the money can be lost easily. Nigeria, a very poor country is was trying to copy this under okonjo ideals. Smart countries like China store wealth by using the money to fund projects in other countries as loans for projects that will be executed by their own companies, like Amaechi's railway. They gain both ways by doing this, the money goes back to their economy, create jobs for them at their home, you owe them and you get the luxury of trains.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by helpee(m): 11:39am On Mar 17, 2022
Sanchez01:
You can't supposedly make a payment from a frozen asset. It's like owing and then the bank, CBN or EFCC had already frozen your account but then you tell your debtor "I have the money but can't touch it because it is frozen. However, I have written a cheque, now it is up to the CBN or EFCC (to unfreeze my account in order for my debt to be made) and they should be held responsible if my debt is not cleared." The payment is to be made in dollars....they are banned from transacting in dollars and you are saying the argument is not legit. So tell me what they should do? Print dollars?

I don't understand how these Russians think or do things.
Yes. It is very valid.. Who made america the efcc? Even if the Efcc freezes your account and you have debt obligations, just present evidence your account is frozen. No court in the world will penalize you for that.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Sanchez01: 11:39am On Mar 17, 2022
shogz89:
Russia can print rubble and pay rubble if they don't have access to their reserve to pay their western creditors. Any western creditor that doesn't accept it will wait until the sanction is off.
And you're still peddling this ignorance?! Dude!

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Sanchez01: 11:40am On Mar 17, 2022
helpee:
Yes. It is very valid.. Who made america the efcc? Even if the Efcc freezes your account and you have debt obligations, just present evidence your account is frozen. No court in the world will penalize you for that.
Can someone please help me explain to this gentleman man? I'm tired already.
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by Frankiss44(m): 11:41am On Mar 17, 2022
djon78:



Oga what is saving US is simply the $ used in doing business and there complete control of the global financial systems since the end of 2nd world war

The day money is decentralized is the day there wahala starts

Before the 2nd world war before the forming of Brentwood institution, currencies were supported with gold determining there values but the US and her Anglo Saxon brothers changed the game.

The dollars circulating around the world today are just ordinary papers. What's there underlining security?

Other nation's are getting wiser and very soon, there will be demand for equality, equity and fair play.

Ordinary rapid increase in the price of crude oil, the US economy is facing untold inflation causing the Fed yesterday to increase interest rate.

Some of you think it's only you that have knowledge and grasp of these things.
And many of you are the problem we have in Nigeria, you may be involved with some of Nigerian banks treasury or CBN but many of you have never helped Nigeria's economy.
Na all these una kalou kalou and vodoo economics that has kept Nigeria the way she is economically.

You can imagine quoting dangote, you think you are talking to a novice

Don't blame anyone if you are sounding like novice.. If you think the dollar is only strong because it is used in doing business then you are not wise and I won't school you for free since you are a proud ignorant person .. You said the United state is the most in debited country that was why I brought in the dangote to show u in a lame man's term what debt is nothing if it can be serviced
Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by helpee(m): 11:41am On Mar 17, 2022
Sanchez01:

Can someone please help me explain to this gentleman man? I'm tired already.
You have nothing to explain.. Just rambling.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by GerogeI(m): 11:45am On Mar 17, 2022
dontai:
.But Russia can tell a sovereign country who to associate with, abi? two can play the game sir.

Yes, at the international level, there are truly no laws as there is no one to execute them. All those international laws your hear about are majorly bilateral and multi party agreement, which any one can pull out off.

International Criminal Court is only a court for small African countries. UK, US, Russia do not recognise it. Infact, they UK went against its ruling in the Falkland wars with Argentina. They only mention the court when it suits their agenda. At the international level, everything is "might is right". If you cannot defeat Russia, then do not offend then.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by helpee(m): 11:46am On Mar 17, 2022
Frankiss44:


Don't blame anyone if you are sounding like novice.. If you think the dollar is only strong because it is used in doing business then you are not wise and I won't school you for free since you are a proud ignorant person .. You said the United state is the most in debited country that was why I brought in the dangote to show u in a lame man's term what debt is nothing if it can be serviced
The dollar is actually backed by nothing. It is just speculatory . The Americans print dollars at will backed by nothing. If the world and when the world dumps the use of dollars as the world's currency, American dollar won't be among the first ten.

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by helpee(m): 11:50am On Mar 17, 2022
dontai:
.But Russia can tell a sovereign country who to associate with, abi? two can play the game sir.
What are you even saying? America told a sovereign nation as recently as three years they don't recognize the president. They only recognized the opposition and they sanctioned them.. Venezuela. America told a sovereign nation they can't develop nuclear weapons.... IRAQ, north Korea. America invaded a sovereign nation with NATO ... Libya. Infact, on October 25, 1983, AMERICA INVADED GRENADA BECAUSE THE GOVT WAS ASSOCIATED WITH RUSSIA AND CUBA AND THEY BELIEVED RUSSIA COULD USE GRENADA TO ATTACK THE WEST

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Re: Anton Siluanov: Russia Made Bond Payment, Now Up To US To Pay Bondholders by GerogeI(m): 11:51am On Mar 17, 2022
Sanchez01:

You just need to look for your economics teacher and hunt him/her down.

This frozen asset is as a result of a sanction. I'm sure you know what that means? Just as a sovereign government can stroll into another and start wreaking havoc is the same way another can sit on your resources/treasury in their land.

Re-read what you've written, take your time, go online and read more materials on nations, sanctions, debts and assets. Then come back for a sound argument and not this that looks like one cooked up fantasy in game house.

Oga, Russia is a big country that cannot fit into the fist of the United States. Sanctions by who, a fellow similarly powerful country. These are all stunts to deceive gullible people of Ukraine and you. If US truly wants to engage Russia in an economic war, they know the only economic fight against Russia is to interfere with their oil exports. But they stay as far from this possible. Use your brain to see the world around you, stop relying on colonial education only, because they teach you only things they want you to believe.

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