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Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by haekymbahd(m): 10:12am On Mar 17, 2022
Women are not allowed to speak in church

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says.(B)

35 But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [[g]for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church].
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Ammishaddai: 10:19am On Mar 17, 2022
Don't mind them . They keep disobeying the bible because it's goes against their sickening desires

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Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by AntiChristian: 10:22am On Mar 17, 2022
Na Paul talk that one no be Jesus! lipsrsealed

Paul said many things o!

Our Strong independent women must talk! grin

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Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Malory: 10:26am On Mar 17, 2022
Women are now overreaching themselves
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by haekymbahd(m): 10:47am On Mar 17, 2022
AntiChristian:
Na Paul talk that one no be Jesus! lipsrsealed

Paul said many things o!

Our Strong independent women must talk! grin

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says.


"Just as the Law also says" meaning it is also in the Law of moses


Paul was actually said to be led by holy spirit....


So which spirit is leading women to speak in church or they decided to do it on their own..

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Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by AntiChristian: 10:48am On Mar 17, 2022
haekymbahd:


1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says.


"Just as the Law also says" meaning it is also in the Law of moses


Paul was actually said to be led by holy spirit....

Are you sure? He was allegedly blind for three days when he saw the light on the way to Damascus. Does Jesus or the Holy Spirit make people blind? tongue
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by haekymbahd(m): 10:51am On Mar 17, 2022
AntiChristian:


Are you sure? He was allegedly blind for three days when he saw the light on the way to Damascus. Does Jesus or the Holy Spirit make people blind? tongue
Lol... I think our christians in the house will answer this...

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Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Truvelisback(m): 11:03am On Mar 17, 2022
Some of Paul's statements are contradicting. Women are also called into ministries.
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by haekymbahd(m): 11:31am On Mar 17, 2022
Truvelisback:
Some of Paul's statements are contradicting. Women are also called into ministries.
How is that possible when Paul was allegedly said to be led by the holy spirit.

Our God is not the author of confusion.
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by SeraphEl: 11:33am On Mar 17, 2022
Many scriptural passages were not meant to be read and understood or applied in isolation.

Meaning: CONTEXT is EVERYTHING. These passages about Paul prohibiting women teaching in church need to be interpreted within socio-cultural, political, geographical contexts.

Briefly historical and social context: it had to do with the worship of Roman goddess Artemis and the dominance of women in temple worship. History also suggests women in those days were often disruptive and unruly in church service. And most were not as educated in Torah or the scriptures or much else and were mostly teaching fables and polluted doctrines. Hence, why Paul said women should keep silent and ask their husbands at home.

I encourage you to thoroughly research what was happening in that specific time frame to het a proper understanding of why Paul made this statement. And yes, Paul NOT Yeshua. If you notice, Paul said “I”, not the LORD. Pauls letters to the churches were inspired of the Holy Spirit but by no means was he meaning to say “word for word” everything is from GOD for all generations.

BS: if you are going to stick with strict understanding and application of Pauls statement, then you need to follow thru ALL. He talked about slaves. Heck, we should all go ahead and own slaves as long as treat them well. You also know that Europeans used the bible to justify slavery just as you are using this Pauls statement to justify denying women exercise of their God given gifts and talents; which by the way, gifts of God like Teaching does not mention gender exclusivity.

haekymbahd:
Women are not allowed to speak in church

1 Corinthians 14:34-35

34 The women should keep quiet in the churches, for they are not authorized to speak, but should take a secondary and subordinate place, just as the Law also says.(B)

35 But if there is anything they want to learn, they should ask their own husbands at home, for it is disgraceful for a woman to talk in church [[g]for her to usurp and exercise authority over men in the church].


Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by haekymbahd(m): 11:34am On Mar 17, 2022
Ammishaddai:
Don't mind them . They keep disobeying the bible because it's goes against their sickening desires
So you mean the holy spirit is not the one leading women into ministration or it is just their desires as you've said...
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by SeraphEl: 11:35am On Mar 17, 2022
Many scriptural passages were not meant to be read and understood or applied in isolation.



Meaning: CONTEXT is EVERYTHING. These passages about Paul prohibiting women teaching in church need to be interpreted within socio-cultural, political, geographical contexts of the time in which this was written.

Briefly historical and social context: it had to do with the worship of Roman goddess Artemis and the dominance of women in temple worship. History also suggests women in those days were often disruptive and unruly in church service. And most were not as educated in Torah or the scriptures or much else and were mostly teaching fables and polluted doctrines. Hence, why Paul said women should keep silent and ask their husbands at home.

I encourage you to thoroughly research what was happening in that specific time frame to het a proper understanding of why Paul made this statement. And yes, Paul NOT Yeshua. If you notice, Paul said “I”, not the LORD. Pauls letters to the churches were inspired of the Holy Spirit but by no means was he meaning to say “word for word” everything is from GOD for all generations.

BS: if you are going to stick with strict understanding and application of Pauls statement, then you need to follow thru ALL. He talked about slaves. Heck, we should all go ahead and own slaves as long as treat them well.

Note well: You also know that Europeans used the bible to justify slavery just as you are using this Pauls statement to justify denying women exercise of their God given gifts and talents; which by the way, gifts of God like Teaching does not mention gender exclusivity (ie: reserved for males only).

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Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Ammishaddai: 11:35am On Mar 17, 2022
haekymbahd:
So you mean the holy spirit is not the one leading women into ministration or it is just their desires as you've said...
The Holy Spirit speaks through the bible and what's not written in the bible the Holy Spirit will never support. But don't let that deceive o. Jesus is the way not female pastors grin
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Truvelisback(m): 11:40am On Mar 17, 2022
haekymbahd:
How is that possible when Paul was allegedly said to be led by the holy spirit.

Our God is not the author of confusion.


Paul also said that he would wish that others be like him umarried. That those who aren't married would be able serve God well and do God's work better than those who are married. That not being married is better doing God's work is better than being married and doing God's work. Do u agree with that?
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by SeraphEl: 11:43am On Mar 17, 2022
Ammishaddai:
Don't mind them . They keep disobeying the bible because it's goes against their sickening desires

As long as this desire is of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit gives gifts and no where does it say any gift including teaching is only reserved for males.

You, yourself, are you sure you are not attempting to “quench the Spirit of God” by your desire to control women and very possibly out of low self esteem and ego trips. Let that sink in.
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Ammishaddai: 11:46am On Mar 17, 2022
[s]
SeraphEl:


As long as this desire is of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit gives gifts and no where does it say any gift including teaching is only reserved for males.

You, yourself, are you sure you are not attempting to “quench the Spirit of God” by your desire to control women and very possibly low self esteem and ego trips. Let that sink in.
[/s] You can't change the word God like your idealogies. Secondly, this isn't about "control" ; it's about the what God says ...and He said in his words that women aren't suppose to be leader in churches . A man cannot bear children and that's because it was ordained by God to be so likewise a woman has her own roles to play that the man can never function in. So let that sink in

P.S : the Holy Spirit only reveals what's written in God word and He is not the author of confusion
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by haekymbahd(m): 11:54am On Mar 17, 2022
AntiChristian:
Na Paul talk that one no be Jesus! lipsrsealed

Paul said many things o!

Our Strong independent women must talk! grin
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by orisa37: 12:21pm On Mar 17, 2022
Malory:
Women are now overreaching themselves
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And men are becoming sillier.
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Malory: 12:23pm On Mar 17, 2022
orisa37:
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And men are becoming sillier.
Men are becoming weak by the day
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:58pm On Mar 17, 2022
When i was a Muslim i don't know that there's anything called "pure worship" in Christianity so i was confused as to what i'm seeing in the churches of Christendom.
But today i know better because there's just one true Christian group globally while others are misinformed religionists claiming denominations of Christianity! smiley

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Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by orisa37: 1:24pm On Mar 17, 2022
"On Easter Day, only Women visited Galilee, The Men scampered".
Women in Eve have learned their Lessons. No more submission to the Serpent, the evil Schemer.
Women nowadays have repented in MARY and are all APOSTLES OF CHRIST.
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by haekymbahd(m): 2:59pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
When i was a Muslim i don't know that there's anything called "pure worship" in Christianity so i was confused as to what i'm seeing in the churches of Christendom.
But today i know better because there's just one true Christian group globally while others are misinformed religionists claiming denominations of Christianity! smiley
so what is the view of the true christian group according to you?

Are women to speak or not to speak in church?
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by haekymbahd(m): 3:02pm On Mar 17, 2022
orisa37:
"On Easter Day, only Women visited Galilee, The Men scampered".
Women in Eve have learned their Lessons. No more submission to the Serpent, the evil Schemer.
Women nowadays have repented in MARY and are all APOSTLES OF CHRIST.
Are you a Catholic?

When did women repented in Mary?


Jesus never had any female disciples did he?
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by AntiChristian: 3:26pm On Mar 17, 2022
MaxInDHouse:
When i was a Muslim i don't know that there's anything called "pure worship" in Christianity so i was confused as to what i'm seeing in the churches of Christendom.
But today i know better because there's just one true Christian group globally while others are misinformed religionists claiming denominations of Christianity! smiley

This your Anthem about when you were an ignorant Muslim is a diversion!
No one wants to be a Jehovah witness!

Contribute to the topic and stop inviting people to your organisation!
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:34pm On Mar 17, 2022
haekymbahd:

so what is the view of the true christian group according to you? Are women to speak or not to speak in church?
According to God's arrangement women are not to lead during worship so they're not assigned the office of priests in the former covenant, Jesus never chose a female among his Apostles and Apostle Paul whom Jesus chose to TEACH the nations how to practice Christianity told us it's not done.
So in our midst women don't stand before us to lead worship, even no woman can lead me in prayer again after i'm baptized as a Christian! smiley
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:35pm On Mar 17, 2022
AntiChristian:

This your Anthem about when you were an ignorant Muslim is a diversion!
No one wants to be a Jehovah witness!
Contribute to the topic and stop inviting people to your organisation!

Are you sure that humble, sincere and honest hearted individuals aren't searching for the one and only group practicing pure worship? wink

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Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by AntiChristian: 3:38pm On Mar 17, 2022
Seems we can agree from this thread that Paul wrote from his thoughts and desires not as directed by the holy spirit?

And this thread also proves another Pauline 2Tim. 3 Verses 16 to be false!
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

haekymbahd
SeraphEl
Ammishaddai
Truvelisback

But how was Paul able to write about 14 out of 27 New Testament Bible books? lipsrsealed
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Kobojunkie: 3:40pm On Mar 17, 2022
Truvelisback:
Some of Paul's statements are contradicting. Women are also called into ministries.
Wow... Truvelisback finally speaks truth. grin
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by AntiChristian: 3:44pm On Mar 17, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Wow... Truvelisback finally speaks truth. grin

Was he a liar before? shocked
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Kobojunkie: 3:47pm On Mar 17, 2022
AntiChristian:
Was he a liar before? shocked
Well, it is a lie to claim that there are no contradictions in the accounts recorded in what is scripture. So anyone who adopts the view that the Bible is a holy book and or inerrant believes a lie. This since scripture contains the Word of God Himself, the accounts of men, Satan and even demons. undecided
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Truvelisback(m): 3:52pm On Mar 17, 2022
AntiChristian:
Seems we can agree from this thread that Paul wrote from his thoughts and desires not as directed by the holy spirit?

And this thread also proves another Pauline 2Tim. 3 Verses 16 to be false!
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

haekymbahd
SeraphEl
Ammishaddai
Truvelisback

But how was Paul able to write about 14 out of 27 New Testament Bible books? lipsrsealed
Note: In the Bible In the Book of Corinthians, sometimes Apostle Paul uses the Phrase. "Not I(Paul), the Lord said" This is implies that some instructions Paul gave to the Church to do or follow are directly from the Lord while some instructions he to the Church to do or follow were his, base on his observation in the Churches. Perhaps, he had noticed behaviours or things that he felt are going wrong. Note: Paul is an Apostle. He is oversees the Churches.
Re: Why Are Women Now Speaking In Churches is it biblical or disobedience? by Kobojunkie: 3:55pm On Mar 17, 2022
Truvelisback:
Note: In the Bible In the Book of Corinthians, sometimes Apostle Paul uses the Phrase. "Not I(Paul), the Lord said" This is implies that some instructions Paul gave to the Church to do or follow are directly from the Lord while some instructions he to the Church to do or follow were his, base on his observation in the Churches. Perhaps, he had noticed behaviours or things that he felt are going wrong. Note: Paul is an Apostle. He is oversees the Churches.
Wow.... Truvelisback is finally having his eyes opened to what is in fact written as opposed to what his pastors and mogs spew ... Jesus Christ is the standard God has for His followers.. and only God commands His own. undecided

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