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ade4keji:
Hmm...the same way your GO is right? Mind you, we don't pray to Mother Mary, we only implore her intervention. God bless you

Who ever prayed to Mary in the Bible?

You pray to Mary in what was written above. In your "Hail Mary full of grace" chants you request Mary who has died to pray for you sinners!

This is similar to what Sango/Amadioha worshipper does like calling on dead important people to come to their aid!

Gointo:
the first church was established by the Lord JESUS CHRIST and handed over to his disciples,they were persecuted by the Romans, but later the roman emperor Constantine converted to Christianity, so the whole roman empire later practised Christian ,they are idol worshippers before,worshipped numerous idols...they still want to practice idolatry that why they imported a lot of idolatry into Christianity...the early Christians ,the apostle Paul and co ..didn't worshipped that way..go and research you will see a deviation from christ.infact they were so persecuted, killed that they meet privately in houses,they couldn't build church building, early Christians didn't build church building it was when Romans converted to Christianity that big cathedral are built that you call first church..,mind you the Romans ruled ,so they funded and also import paganism into Christianity in disguise...Anyone that protest are persecuted and killed ,they are called heretics. by the romans..the true Christians were killed by the Romans Catholic Church, ..I was born a Catholic, water baptised in a Catholic Church when I was a baby. ..attended the church to the point where I'm mature to seek God for real. ..so i know what I'm saying..

apart from reading the Bible Christians need to read history of Christianity.

So you mean that all the establishments christ made was gone
So what about the Bible passage that said the gate of hades shall not prevail?
You people have been blinded even the Bible you claim to know doesn't enter your brain. Sorry for you people

MaxInDHouse:
Which is the first church jàre?

Roman Emperor assassinated all the Apostles and created his own religion to promote the political ambition of Rome. That's how Roman Catholic religion started and they were going from one place to another forcing Catholicism on other nations, in fact Jesus' parable of the sower with fine seed is talking about your church!

Jesus told them another parable: "The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. Jesus started his ministry and sow the good news of God's kingdom But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. after the death of the apostles (when people are sleeping spiritually) Satan came and established a political religion that will continue to promote killings in the name of Jesus When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared. "The owner’s servants came to him and said, ’Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from? "’An enemy did this,’ he replied. "The servants asked him, ’Do you want us to go and pull them up?’ "’No,’ he answered, ’because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’" when both the fine seed and the bad sprout then the angels in heaven wanted to fight to preserve pure worship just as Jesus commissioned it it he told them to allow both continue growing together until the endtime when everyone will see the difference between Jesus' seed and Satan's seed, then he will judge Matthew 13:24-30

So wake up my friend, the pagan Romans killed the apostles to establish this false religion you're calling the first church today, if you want to know more just make a research about the way Catholics were killing people in the dark ages calling it crusades for Jesus who ordered us to love and pray for our enemies! Matthew 5:43-48

Continue with your cooked up stories...
Jesus christ said the gate of hades shall never prevail.
Besides why will Romans assassinate all Apostles and still create their own practicing the same belief.
YOU CAN ONLY BE DECEIVING YOURSELF

MaxInDHouse:
From the beginning until now false religions is the major groups God's organized people are always the minority. That's why Jesus said:

“Go in through the narrow gate, because broad is the gate and spacious is the road leading off into destruction, and many are going in through it; whereas narrow is the gate and cramped the road leading off into life, and few are finding it" Matthew 7:13-14

Remember the time of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah, it has always been the majority persecuting the minority, it has always been the majority facing destruction while the minority are saved so use your brains well my friend because Satan is the ruler of the world {John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19} that's why your brethren claiming Christians are used as puppets in all the countries of the world to kill people including your own fellow Catholics {Revelations 6:3-4} so your Pope is confused that's why he is calling on you people to join him in worshiping dead Mary {Ecclesiastes 9:5-6} to restore sanity in the heads of your brethren instead of using God's word that's alive {Hebrews 4:12} to erase racism and politics from their hearts!

If your religion is of God it won't be this difficult to cultivate the fruitage of the spirit of God among your brethren: LOVE JOY PEACE PATIENCE GOODNESS GENTLENESS FAITH MILDNESS and SELF-CONTROL! Galatians 5:22-23

I know this will really sadden you but it's just the bitter truth!

Bitter truth my foot... Your story is only smooth and by used to deceive people like you

BarrElChapo:
Pope Francis united to all the Bishops and Catholic faithful around the world will consecrate Russia and Ukraine to the Immaculate Heart of Mary on Friday, the feast of the Annunciation.

The Act of Consecration will be prayed during the "24 Hours for the Lord" Lenten penitential service in St. Peter’s Basilica, which begins at 5 PM Rome time.

The Pope will pray the Act of Consecration around 6:30 PM, and has asked all Bishops and priests to join him spiritually in this prayer, which will be broadcast across our Vatican News channels - radio, website, YouTube, and Facebook - with English-language commentary.

We are all enjoined to take time today and plead for mercy by saying this prayer at any time for success of this consecration and that it leads to peace in Ukraine, Russia and the whole world

Here below is the official translation of the Act of Consecration:

"O Mary, Mother of God and our Mother, in this time of trial we turn to you. As our Mother, you love us and know us: no concern of our hearts is hidden from you. Mother of mercy, how often we have experienced your watchful care and your peaceful presence! You never cease to guide us to Jesus, the Prince of Peace.

Yet we have strayed from that path of peace. We have forgotten the lesson learned from the tragedies of the last century, the sacrifice of the millions who fell in two world wars. We have disregarded the commitments we made as a community of nations. We have betrayed peoples’ dreams of peace and the hopes of the young. We grew sick with greed, we thought only of our own nations and their interests, we grew indifferent and caught up in our selfish needs and concerns. We chose to ignore God, to be satisfied with our illusions, to grow arrogant and aggressive, to suppress innocent lives and to stockpile weapons. We stopped being our neighbour’s keepers and stewards of our common home. We have ravaged the garden of the earth with war and by our sins we have broken the heart of our heavenly Father, who desires us to be brothers and sisters. We grew indifferent to everyone and everything except ourselves. Now with shame we cry out: Forgive us, Lord!

Holy Mother, amid the misery of our sinfulness, amid our struggles and weaknesses, amid the mystery of iniquity that is evil and war, you remind us that God never abandons us, but continues to look upon us with love, ever ready to forgive us and raise us up to new life. He has given you to us and made your Immaculate Heart a refuge for the Church and for all humanity. By God’s gracious will, you are ever with us; even in the most troubled moments of our history, you are there to guide us with tender love.

We now turn to you and knock at the door of your heart. We are your beloved children. In every age you make yourself known to us, calling us to conversion. At this dark hour, help us and grant us your comfort. Say to us once more: “Am I not here, I who am your Mother?” You are able to untie the knots of our hearts and of our times. In you we place our trust. We are confident that, especially in moments of trial, you will not be deaf to our supplication and will come to our aid.

That is what you did at Cana in Galilee, when you interceded with Jesus and he worked the first of his signs. To preserve the joy of the wedding feast, you said to him: “They have no wine” (Jn 2:3). Now, O Mother, repeat those words and that prayer, for in our own day we have run out of the wine of hope, joy has fled, fraternity has faded. We have forgotten our humanity and squandered the gift of peace. We opened our hearts to violence and destructiveness. How greatly we need your maternal help!

Therefore, O Mother, hear our prayer.
Star of the Sea, do not let us be shipwrecked in the tempest of war.
Ark of the New Covenant, inspire projects and paths of reconciliation.
Queen of Heaven, restore God’s peace to the world.
Eliminate hatred and the thirst for revenge, and teach us forgiveness.
Free us from war, protect our world from the menace of nuclear weapons.
Queen of the Rosary, make us realize our need to pray and to love.
Queen of the Human Family, show people the path of fraternity.
Queen of Peace, obtain peace for our world.

O Mother, may your sorrowful plea stir our hardened hearts. May the tears you shed for us make this valley parched by our hatred blossom anew. Amid the thunder of weapons, may your prayer turn our thoughts to peace. May your maternal touch soothe those who suffer and flee from the rain of bombs. May your motherly embrace comfort those forced to leave their homes and their native land. May your Sorrowful Heart move us to compassion and inspire us to open our doors and to care for our brothers and sisters who are injured and cast aside.

Holy Mother of God, as you stood beneath the cross, Jesus, seeing the disciple at your side, said: “Behold your son” (Jn 19:26). In this way he entrusted each of us to you. To the disciple, and to each of us, he said: “Behold, your Mother” (v. 27). Mother Mary, we now desire to welcome you into our lives and our history. At this hour, a weary and distraught humanity stands with you beneath the cross, needing to entrust itself to you and, through you, to consecrate itself to Christ. The people of Ukraine and Russia, who venerate you with great love, now turn to you, even as your heart beats with compassion for them and for all those peoples decimated by war, hunger, injustice and poverty.

Therefore, Mother of God and our Mother, to your Immaculate Heart we solemnly entrust and consecrate ourselves, the Church and all humanity, especially Russia and Ukraine. Accept this act that we carry out with confidence and love. Grant that war may end and peace spread throughout the world. The “Fiat” that arose from your heart opened the doors of history to the Prince of Peace. We trust that, through your heart, peace will dawn once more. To you we consecrate the future of the whole human family, the needs and expectations of every people, the anxieties and hopes of the world.

Through your intercession, may God’s mercy be poured out on the earth and the gentle rhythm of peace return to mark our days. Our Lady of the “Fiat”, on whom the Holy Spirit descended, restore among us the harmony that comes from God. May you, our “living fountain of hope”, water the dryness of our hearts. In your womb Jesus took flesh; help us to foster the growth of communion. You once trod the streets of our world; lead us now on the paths of peace. Amen."

https://www.vaticannews.va/en/pope/news/2022-03/pope-francis-prayer-act-consecration-russia-ukaine-mary.html

This is the reason why Christians are pagans.They worship Jesus. They also worship Mary,too. Jokers in the pack.

So your god(Jesus) has mother(Mary)? Your god came out through the Vagina of a woman(Mary),abi?
And the woman too is worshipped by you Christians, abi?

Your so-called god came out through the vagina of Mary and sucked her breasts for milk so as to grow.


You worship Mary, you also worship Jesus and you also worship saints.

JESUS IS JUST A SLAVE AND MESSENGER.

CHRISTIANITY IS PAGANISM! HELL AWAITS PAGANS.CHRISTIANS WORSHIP CREATION AND NOT THE 'CREATOR'.

CHRISTIANS ARE INDEED FUEL FOR HELL!

Chijeep:
Continue with your cooked up stories...
Jesus christ said the gate of hades shall never prevail.

Prevail in what sense?
Gates of grave will not overwhelmed what Jesus commissioned. And after all the years that Roman Catholic Church has been killing people here and there saying they're fighting for Christ. America declared FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION SPEECH and WORSHIP to render terrorist religious groups from forceful convertion and intimidating people claiming it is for Christ. So did their falsehood last forever? The honest answer is NO!

Chijeep:
Besides why will Romans assassinate all Apostles and still create their own practicing the same belief. YOU CAN ONLY BE DECEIVING YOURSELF

They killed the apostles because Christianity is making it difficult for Rome to continue with their world domination. Jesus taught his followers not to force their beliefs on anyone while Rome is nursing global domination.
Some of their people have embraced Christianity meaning if things continue like that nobody will pick up weapons to fight in support of their political ambitions. So the only way forward is to kill those pioneering such a faith and start something in imitation but with their own political ambitions as the number One goal. That's why it's impossible for Roman Catholics to preach and win souls apart from the places where they have forcefully imposed their religion!

Ayodele20:
This is the reason why Christians are pagans.They worship Jesus. They also worship Mary,too. Jokers in the pack.

So your god(Jesus) has mother(Mary)? Your god came out through the Vagina of a woman(Mary),abi?
And the woman too is worshipped by you Christians, abi?

Your so-called god came out through the vagina of Mary and sucked her breasts for milk so as to grow.


You worship Mary, you also worship Jesus and you also worship saints.

JESUS IS JUST A SLAVE AND MESSENGER.

CHRISTIANITY IS PAGANISM! HELL AWAITS PAGANS.CHRISTIANS WORSHIP CREATION AND NOT THE 'CREATOR'.

CHRISTIANS ARE INDEED FUEL FOR HELL!

Okay. Hopefully you'll make Heaven ahead of every christian.

[quote author=Chijeep post=111387374]So you mean that all the establishments christ made was gone smiles,well i didnt mention what you wrote up here,you just want to bring a blind argument....yes the gate of yell didnt prevail and will never prevail...some escaped persecution,you should know that not all of them were killed,,some continue the true faith in hidden. also you should know the persecution didnt continue forever.the fall of roman empire too,later some whose eyes were opened broke out of the catholic,and now we have different denomination .the gate of will never prevail that why we have all over the nations of the world the saints worshipping God in spirit and in truth...like the one writing this to you... Get out of that synagogue of satan if you love yourself and really want to know GOD...pray to the lord jesus christ not to mary oo that blasphemous to reveal himself to you ,so you can know him and worship him in spirit and in truth.

[quote author=Gointo post=111397271][/quote]You're twisting your talk yourself you said all the Apostles now you're still saying some.
Well, let me leave that one aside. So those remaining ones you said what is the name of the church they created?

MaxInDHouse:
Prevail in what sense?
Gates of grave will not overwhelmed what Jesus commissioned. And after all the years that Roman Catholic Church has been killing people here and there saying they're fighting for Christ. America declared FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION SPEECH and WORSHIP to render terrorist religious groups from forceful convertion and intimidating people claiming it is for Christ. So did their falsehood last forever? The honest answer is NO!


They killed the apostles because Christianity is making it difficult for Rome to continue with their world domination. Jesus taught his followers not to force their beliefs on anyone while Rome is nursing global domination.
Some of their people have embraced Christianity meaning if things continue like that nobody will pick up weapons to fight in support of their political ambitions. So the only way forward is to kill those pioneering such a faith and start something in imitation but with their own political ambitions as the number One goal. That's why it's impossible for Roman Catholics to preach and win souls apart from the places where they have forcefully imposed their religion!

Roman catholic were killing? Lol. So what made them stopped and what have your god did to them ever since 3000+yrs ago?
Can't you see that your story is breaking?
Or do you think you're chatting with someone who you can use fake stories deceive
Because it seems that your god is dead because as of today no church have 50% of catholic members and no church will ever have.
So why didn't your god do anything to punish them

LORD HAVE MERCY.

Chijeep:
Roman catholic were killing? Lol. So what made them stopped and what have your god did to them ever since 3000+yrs ago?
Can't you see that your story is breaking?
Or do you think you're chatting with someone who you can use fake stories deceive
Because it seems that your god is dead because as of today no church have 50% of catholic members and no church will ever have.
So why didn't your god do anything to punish them

Question in the highlighted.
England concerned Rome!
That's what led to splitting the church so that Anglo-Catholic (Anglican Church) emerged, the same thing continued as the English began using their religion as excuse to colonize more counties until America declared FREEDOM OF SPEECH EXPRESSION and WORSHIP!

MaxInDHouse:
Question in the highlighted.
England concerned Rome!
That's what led to splitting the church so that Anglo-Catholic (Anglican Church) emerged, the same thing continued as the English began using their religion as excuse to colonize more counties until America declared FREEDOM OF SPEECH EXPRESSION and WORSHIP!

You're brainwashed by all these trash.
Anglican that was created from Catholics who doesn't honor Mary and was also against priests not marrying is what you said was the first church.

So Catholics were killing all over the world and forcing religion on people. Funny?
Catholic killed Apostle Paul and others but are still the ones that honor saints more than any other church.
You're trying with your lies and I don't blame you but the people who brainwashed you.
SO WHAT MADE CATHOLIC THE MOST RECOGNIZED CHURCH IN THE WHOLE WORLD?

Chijeep:
You're brainwashed by all these trash.
Anglican that was created from Catholics who doesn't honor Mary and was also against priests not marrying is what you said was the first church.

So Catholics were killing all over the world and forcing religion on people. Funny?
Catholic killed Apostle Paul and others but are still the ones that honor saints more than any other church.
You're trying with your lies and I don't blame you but the people who brainwashed you.
SO WHAT MADE CATHOLIC THE MOST RECOGNIZED CHURCH IN THE WHOLE WORLD?

Politics!

Chijeep:
So you mean that all the establishments christ made was gone
So what about the Bible passage that said the gate of hades shall not prevail?
You people have been blinded even the Bible you claim to know doesn't enter your brain. Sorry for you people

You claim you know the bible,
Let me put to notice that the kingdom of God is not for those who know the bible cover to cover ,but those who do the will of the father written thereof day by day...
You didn't pay attention to the deep matters of the kingdom,but on superficial things you argue day and night..
If you're a doer of the word of God,you won't stay comfortable where theres reverence to a graven image ,which thd. Lord abmolish ,we've been warned so much about..

If you're of God you won't practice idolatry in any form or guise.

With your vain arguments I see someone that love and maketh a liar..
The kingdom of heaven is not for those who make lies,and those who love and pratronize it...you attention should be drawn to the idolatry and read your bible to know the truth...not defend the lies of the devil.
Every gathering that is not of God,will be brought to judgement by Christ.

MaxInDHouse:
Politics!

Let me give you a little info maybe you may get your brainwashed head resetted.
Why catholic remains the first and the only true church.
The early Christians were persecuted and martyred by the Jewish authorities because they didn't believe in christ and didn't want their false and selfish teachings to be exposed by the true but just as God's words must surely be fulfilled they weren't able to put an end to the gospel.
ROME was made the base because of the conversion of a highly noble man by Apostle Paul and he allowed the spread of the gospel from there because the rejection and persecution of the Jews didn't allowed the Christians in jews. Then the church was one(universal, which is the meaning of the word catholic) but when the Anglican cutted out from the universal church the church decided to rename the church though with the same meaning but different word, that when catholic began to be used instead of the universal church.
Example: If a product is made and was given a name via the material used in making it and another company created another product from the same material instead of people to get confused they decide to rename the product with another name before people start purchasing the other product from the company. That why catholic church changed her name from universal to catholic.

So all those your stories are made just to tarnish the image of the church.


Do you know? The Bible was compiled even after the existence of the catholic church and people read the word of God from the mouth of the early Christians just like preaching and they believed in one faith because one meaning was been explained.
EXAMPLE: THE QURAN EXPLANATION IS BASED ON THE INTERPRETATION OF THERE SCHOLARS (AS IT'S WHAT THEY'RE TOLD THAT THEY BELIEVE)

Chijeep:
You're twisting your talk yourself you said all the Apostles now you're still saying some.
Well, let me leave that one aside. So those remaining ones you said what is the name of the church they created?

Go back and go through it one more time,enough of lying just to win an argument...
Or maybe you have problem with comprehension...why is that: because you don't want to listen anyone,you read to fight back in argument..that foolishness...pick up your bible read mathew,luke,mark,John,James.. in short the new testament...I will always stand and speak the truth...
This day will witness against you that you were told and warned...I've done my part in the love of Christ Jesus.

Gointo:
You claim you know the bible,
Let me put to notice that the kingdom of God is not for those who know the bible cover to cover ,but those who do the will of the father written thereof day by day...
You didn't pay attention to the deep matters of the kingdom,but on superficial things you argue day and night..
If you're a doer of the word of God,you won't stay comfortable where theres reverence to a graven image ,which thd. Lord abmolish ,we've been warned so much about..

If you're of God you won't practice idolatry in any form or guise.

With your vain arguments I see someone that love and maketh a liar..
The kingdom of heaven is not for those who make lies,and those who love and pratronize it...you attention should be drawn to the idolatry and read your bible to know the truth...not defend the lies of the devil.
Every gathering that is not of God,will be brought to judgement by Christ.

I'm born and brought up a catholic and am happy that you know that I know the Bible to certain understanding if not all and it's a prove to show that CATHOLIC READ AND MEDITATE ON BIBLE BECAUSE MOST PROTESTANTS SAID WE DON'T READ BIBLE.
secondly, God told people of Israel not to made a craven image because they practiced idolatry and there heart is not of God at all even though they know Adam and eve. And example was when they made a golden calf and started worshipping it.
And also told Moses to make a bronze serpent (does that mean that they were looking up on the serpent and not God when Moses lifted it up?

On a small note, if the miracle of the people of Israel is performed today many souls will be converted which shows that people want to believe but they're no prove to be convinced. SO IM TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW HOW SHALLOW THE PEOPLE OF OLD WERE.
The God that permitted creatures in the temple knew that what will differentiate the place of worship and an ordinary hall is the edifice which images and paintings will speak more of. So the church in her wisdom used it to explain better a church than a concert hall where you people call a church. EXAMPLE, Jesus christ told his disciples to pray for daily bread(eating everyday) and also fasted for 40days and night. So you won't tell me that Jesus is contradicting his own words. And the church in her wisdom made it like you fast in the day and break in the night or you fast for sometimes. I'm in Kwara state presently and there's this protestants GO who died and people are all putting his obituary posters on there vehicles, so does it mean they're worshipping him?
You people were just being deceived and the worst thing is that they used you just as APC used people against Jonathan by tarnishing his image.
INSTEAD YOU PEOPLE TO GO AND CREATE YOUR OWN MINISTRY AND DO YOUR THING YOUR WAYS YOU DECIDED TO BE BRAINWASHING PEOPLE WITH LIES

DO YOU KNOW? 95% OF ALL THESE PROTESTANTS CHURCHES DO NOT EXCEED MORE THAN A STATE AND YOU'RE KICKING AGAINST WHAT GOD HAVE USED TO CONQUER MANY HEARTS AND WON THEM TO HIMSELF.
I'll rather be a MUSLIM than to be a PROTESTANT of CATHOLIC CHURCH

Gointo:
Go back and go through it one more time,enough of lying just to win an argument...
Or maybe you have problem with comprehension...why is that: because you don't want to listen anyone,you read to fight back in argument..that foolishness...pick up your bible read mathew,luke,mark,John,James.. in short the new testament...I will always stand and speak the truth...
This day will witness against you that you were told and warned...I've done my part in the love of Christ Jesus.

You see that you're the one that is reading for the sake of argument. You said I shud go n read the gospel of Matt,mk,Luke,jn as if all other chapters are not relevant. Your argument is on old testament and you are asking me to go and read new testament for confirmation.
MY ADVICE IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU AND ALL THE PROTESTANTS CHURCHES DO AGAINST CATHOLIC YOU CAN'T WIN BECAUSE IT'S THE TRUE CHURCH AND RELIGION AND EVEN DEATH CAN NEVER OVERCOME IT.

Chijeep:
Let me give you a little info maybe you may get your brainwashed head resetted.
Why catholic remains the first and the only true church.
The early Christians were persecuted and martyred by the Jewish authorities because they didn't believe in christ and didn't want their false and selfish teachings to be exposed by the true but just as God's words must surely be fulfilled they weren't able to put an end to the gospel.
ROME was made the base because of the conversion of a highly noble man by Apostle Paul and he allowed the spread of the gospel from there because the rejection and persecution of the Jews didn't allowed the Christians in jews. Then the church was one(universal, which is the meaning of the word catholic) but when the Anglican cutted out from the universal church the church decided to rename the church though with the same meaning but different word, that when catholic began to be used instead of the universal church.
Example: If a product is made and was given a name via the material used in making it and another company created another product from the same material instead of people to get confused they decide to rename the product with another name before people start purchasing the other product from the company. That why catholic church changed her name from universal to catholic.

So all those your stories are made just to tarnish the image of the church.

Do you know? The Bible was compiled even after the existence of the catholic church and people read the word of God from the mouth of the early Christians just like preaching and they believed in one faith because one meaning was been explained.
EXAMPLE: THE QURAN EXPLANATION IS BASED ON THE INTERPRETATION OF THERE SCHOLARS (AS IT'S WHAT THEY'RE TOLD THAT THEY BELIEVE)

The Catholic Church remains recognized for nothing other than participation in the political affairs everywhere the religion is taking that's why your Pope is ashamed now as his members are killing one another mercilessly in Ukraine while their major religion is Catholic!

MaxInDHouse:
The Catholic Church remains recognized for nothing other than participation in the political affairs everywhere the religion is taking that's why your Pope is ashamed now as his members are killing one another mercilessly in Ukraine while their major religion is Catholic!

sit down and listen to yourself.
Which one is worse?
COVID-19 or Ukraine nd Russia?
COVID-19 killed multitudes in Rome pope wasn't ashamed so why will he now?
If politics can give Catholics dx recognition then don't you think that there's nothing like spiritualism?
I don't even know if you're reading these your write up before posting

Chijeep:
You see that you're the one that is reading for the sake of argument. You said I shud go n read the gospel of Matt,mk,Luke,jn as if all other chapters are not relevant. Your argument is on old testament and you are asking me to go and read new testament for confirmation.
MY ADVICE IS NO MATTER WHAT YOU AND ALL THE PROTESTANTS CHURCHES DO AGAINST CATHOLIC YOU CAN'T WIN BECAUSE IT'S THE TRUE CHURCH AND RELIGION AND EVEN DEATH CAN NEVER OVERCOME IT.

catholism is a mixture of old covenant and idolatry..
I initially wanted to quote exodus 20 ,where God gave mosses the temple commandments,but since that you claim only the old testament talked about idols,that shows you are not reading the Bible.john 5 verse 21 little children, keep yourselves from idols .

1 Thessalonians 9
For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
teaching about idols is so much even in the new testament, go and read them..
the reason why I said new testament is that so that you can encounter the Lord JESUS CHRIST for real..I was born a Catholic and I will thank the Lord and praise him for ever for opening my eyes and saving me from the bondage of religion. .I discovered all those carry rosary around is not prayer to God...it's not your fault to be born Catholic but it's your fault to die without seeking the truth, also ignoring those who God sent to tell you the truth.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
pray in the name of Jesus Christ alone.
John 4:23-24
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

go and read exodus 20,it's a terrible thing that the Catholic Church are doing,there is no where in the Bible God told to make dumb images to represent ,anyone that practice such doesn't know christ.

Chijeep:
I'm born and brought up a catholic and am happy that you know that I know the Bible to certain understanding if not all and it's a prove to show that CATHOLIC READ AND MEDITATE ON BIBLE BECAUSE MOST PROTESTANTS SAID WE DON'T READ BIBLE.
secondly, God told people of Israel not to made a craven image because they practiced idolatry and there heart is not of God at all even though they know Adam and eve. And example was when they made a golden calf and started worshipping it.
And also told Moses to make a bronze serpent (does that mean that they were looking up on the serpent and not God when Moses lifted it up?

On a small note, if the miracle of the people of Israel is performed today many souls will be converted which shows that people want to believe but they're no prove to be convinced. SO IM TRYING TO LET YOU KNOW HOW SHALLOW THE PEOPLE OF OLD WERE.
The God that permitted creatures in the temple knew that what will differentiate the place of worship and an ordinary hall is the edifice which images and paintings will speak more of. So the church in her wisdom used it to explain better a church than a concert hall where you people call a church. EXAMPLE, Jesus christ told his disciples to pray for daily bread(eating everyday) and also fasted for 40days and night. So you won't tell me that Jesus is contradicting his own words. And the church in her wisdom made it like you fast in the day and break in the night or you fast for sometimes. I'm in Kwara state presently and there's this protestants GO who died and people are all putting his obituary posters on there vehicles, so does it mean they're worshipping him?
You people were just being deceived and the worst thing is that they used you just as APC used people against Jonathan by tarnishing his image.
INSTEAD YOU PEOPLE TO GO AND CREATE YOUR OWN MINISTRY AND DO YOUR THING YOUR WAYS YOU DECIDED TO BE BRAINWASHING PEOPLE WITH LIES

DO YOU KNOW? 95% OF ALL THESE PROTESTANTS CHURCHES DO NOT EXCEED MORE THAN A STATE AND YOU'RE KICKING AGAINST WHAT GOD HAVE USED TO CONQUER MANY HEARTS AND WON THEM TO HIMSELF.
I'll rather be a MUSLIM than to be a PROTESTANT of CATHOLIC CHURCH

your wallowing in deceit with what you write up here ,
you not only deceived ,you are also wallowing in self deceit

I want to ask you a question is it loyalty to christ
or loyalty to a denomination...
but it's actually rhetorical questions, your response here shows the latter...smiles, I was once in your shoes. I also argued blindly..
I know it's hurt,but I will tell the truth over and over again. ..

let me inform you,
reason Catholic Church quickly gain ground in other places of the world is that Nigeria for example people worshipped idols at home ,when they come to cathedral see different kind of dumb craven images ,they say it's the same thing just this one is modernised. .it gave room for them to continue in thier idolatry...
they come to Catholic church ,and see modernised paganism which is true..

I'M PRAYING FOR YOU SO THAT YOUR EYES BE OPENED.
SO THAT YOU ENCOUNTER THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
THAT THE BONDAGE OF RELIGION BE BROKEN FOREVER IN YOUR LIFE. ..
THAT YOU COME INTO THE REALITY OF GOD ,WHERE HIS WORSHIPPERS, WORSHIPPED HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. .BECAUSE THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD...AMEN.

The God that permitted creatures in the temple knew that what will differentiate the place of worship and an ordinary hall is the edifice which images and paintings will speak more of. So the church in her wisdom used it to explain better a church than a concert hall where you people call a church. EXAMPLE, Jesus christ told his disciples to pray for daily bread(eating everyday) and also fasted for 40days and night. So you won't tell me that Jesus is contradicting his own words. And the church in her wisdom made it like you fast in the day and break in the night or you fast for sometimes. I'm in Kwara state presently and there's this protestants GO who died and people are all putting his obituary posters on there vehicles, so does ......chijeep


what indicate a place is a temple of God is the spirit of God that dwells..
so putting craven image by what you stay here is for them to visualise, so to put induce a kind of believe,this is manipulations sponsored by the devil not God,faith is not by sight.cannot fully explain the gravity of the abomination .

so the Catholic Church can't rely on God to manifest his presence through his spirit. ...
why is that ,BECAUSE THE DON'T KNOW HIM...

Gointo:
The God that permitted creatures in the temple knew that what will differentiate the place of worship and an ordinary hall is the edifice which images and paintings will speak more of. So the church in her wisdom used it to explain better a church than a concert hall where you people call a church. EXAMPLE, Jesus christ told his disciples to pray for daily bread(eating everyday) and also fasted for 40days and night. So you won't tell me that Jesus is contradicting his own words. And the church in her wisdom made it like you fast in the day and break in the night or you fast for sometimes. I'm in Kwara state presently and there's this protestants GO who died and people are all putting his obituary posters on there vehicles, so does ......chijeep


what indicate a place is a temple of God is the spirit of God that dwells..
so putting craven image by what you stay here is for them to visualise, so to put induce a kind of believe,this is manipulations sponsored by the devil not God,faith is not by sight.cannot fully explain the gravity of the abomination .

so the Catholic Church can't rely on God to manifest his presence through his spirit. ...
why is that ,BECAUSE THE DON'T KNOW HIM...

I've been wasting my time with you since in order for you to realise your mistakes about church and christianity but I've seen that you're a jehovah witness so I'm not surprised as your brainwashing church have enslaved you people that you even devout your time and effort to preach false teachings.
WHO'S IN HIS SANE MIND WILL CLAIM KNOWS BIBLE AND STILL SAY THERE'S NO HELL

Gointo:
your wallowing in deceit with what you write up here ,
you not only deceived ,you are also wallowing in self deceit

I want to ask you a question is it loyalty to christ
or loyalty to a denomination...
but it's actually rhetorical questions, your response here shows the latter...smiles, I was once in your shoes. I also argued blindly..
I know it's hurt,but I will tell the truth over and over again. ..

let me inform you,
reason Catholic Church quickly gain ground in other places of the world is that Nigeria for example people worshipped idols at home ,when they come to cathedral see different kind of dumb craven images ,they say it's the same thing just this one is modernised. .it gave room for them to continue in thier idolatry...
they come to Catholic church ,and see modernised paganism which is true..

I'M PRAYING FOR YOU SO THAT YOUR EYES BE OPENED.
SO THAT YOU ENCOUNTER THE LORD JESUS CHRIST
THAT THE BONDAGE OF RELIGION BE BROKEN FOREVER IN YOUR LIFE. ..
THAT YOU COME INTO THE REALITY OF GOD ,WHERE HIS WORSHIPPERS, WORSHIPPED HIM IN SPIRIT AND IN TRUTH. .BECAUSE THIS IS THE WILL OF GOD...AMEN.

Here yourself, modernized idols...
So tell me the modern types of ogun, amadioha, etc?
If you don't worship God in spirit and truth then you're wasting your life.
You claim God is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow and you've modernized your own worship and removed winged creatures in your concert hall you called church to suit your own modernized ways.
If God is spirit why will you worship him in canal?
Better wise up because this your false teachings won't help you.
You can't attain Ph D without going through formal education same way you can't know God truly if not in the right church.
So all you people claiming to serve God without church are only giving yourself excuses of not sacrificing your time

Gointo:
catholism is a mixture of old covenant and idolatry..
I initially wanted to quote exodus 20 ,where God gave mosses the temple commandments,but since that you claim only the old testament talked about idols,that shows you are not reading the Bible.john 5 verse 21 little children, keep yourselves from idols .

1 Thessalonians 9
For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;
teaching about idols is so much even in the new testament, go and read them..
the reason why I said new testament is that so that you can encounter the Lord JESUS CHRIST for real..I was born a Catholic and I will thank the Lord and praise him for ever for opening my eyes and saving me from the bondage of religion. .I discovered all those carry rosary around is not prayer to God...it's not your fault to be born Catholic but it's your fault to die without seeking the truth, also ignoring those who God sent to tell you the truth.
John 8:32
And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
John 14:13
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
pray in the name of Jesus Christ alone.
John 4:23-24
But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

go and read exodus 20,it's a terrible thing that the Catholic Church are doing,there is no where in the Bible God told to make dumb images to represent ,anyone that practice such doesn't know christ.

When did I say it's only old testament that speaks about idolatry?
I'm referring on wat you said.
It's your own mind that is telling you that catholic are worshipping idols. If you don't know about something it better you make enquiry from people that are involved than filling your head with trash.
Give me your reasons why you say catholic are worshipping idols
You said there's no where in the Bible God said we should make a dumb image?
What of the bronze serpent? Is it not God that ordered Moses to make it? Or the bronze serpent can hear and talk that made it exceptional.
I can see you don't know what you're saying

IF YOU'RE BORN A CATHOLIC AND YOU THINK YOU MADE THE WRITE CHOICE LEAVING ME, WHATAPP ME SO THAT WE CAN HAVE DIRECT CHAT

Chijeep:
sit down and listen to yourself.
Which one is worse?
COVID-19 or Ukraine nd Russia?
COVID-19 killed multitudes in Rome pope wasn't ashamed so why will he now?
If politics can give Catholics dx recognition then don't you think that there's nothing like spiritualism?
I don't even know if you're reading these your write up before posting

Presently Satan is the ruler of the world! John 14:30; 2Corinthians 4:4; 1John 5:19

That's why he (Satan) promised to give Jesus all the earth and it's glory if Jesus will worship him! Luke 4:5-7

So any RELIGION that's politically recognized today when God's Kingdom hasn't come is doing whose will?

Even though your ancestors never worshiped the Roman idols but since it was forced down the throat of your parents i believe it's time for you to open your heart and reason. If the Catholic Church is recognized globally for their participation in politics and your Pope is crying now that your brethren are killing themselves doesn't that teaches you that the religion has failed to produce the fruitage expected of the organization of true believers? Matthew 7:16-18

athaboi:
Lolz...poor African, so you think your own version is correct while catholic own is idol! I only pity your myopic life

Read your bible poor girl, it is important. What does kneeling or bowing in front of a graven image means poor girl?

MaxInDHouse:
She got married, had relations with her husband and had several children after the birth of her first miraculous child. So she was once a virgin but she later loose her virginity in her marriage after getting pregnant for Joseph and having several kids for him! Matthew 13:55-56

You are not okay, so you don't know that his disciples are sometimes referred to as his FRIENDS & BRETHREN ?
SMH...when men lack wisdom;...

happYFingers:
You are not okay, so you don't know that his disciples are sometimes referred to as his FRIENDS & BRETHREN ?
SMH...when men lack wisdom;...

Foolish commentator!

Jesus was speaking to the crowd:

While he was yet speaking to the crowds, his mother and brothers were standing outside, seeking to speak to him. So someone said to him: “Look! Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak to you.” In reply he said to the one who spoke to him: “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” And extending his hand toward his disciples, he said: “Look! My mother and my brothers! For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother! Matthew 12:46-50

So when Jesus pointed at his disciples who has been LISTENING to him, then who are those that came looking for him?