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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by advanceDNA: 2:29pm On Apr 04, 2022
loswhite:
They are senseless ppl.
A sovereign country should just cede their territory to Putin.

One ídiot above me even said Ukraine is not a Sovereign nation so it’s okay for Russia to go on a killing spree

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Oddfinder: 2:42pm On Apr 04, 2022
advanceDNA:


U have a problem with US...
Please take it to them...
I’m not interested....
It’s clear your opinion is largely based on hatred for US.... I don’t care....clear the fvck off
[2] The declaration also proclaimed that the republic has intent to become in a future "a permanently neutral state that does not participate in military blocs," and that it would not accept, nor produce, nor procure nuclear weapons.[2]
Lol..was i the one that that forced Ukraine to accept this condition?
God gave u free will bro. Use it. Propaganda and emotions will not change the fact that Ukraine broke terms and agreement with Russia..

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by remoteagent: 2:44pm On Apr 04, 2022
Hahaha



Well done


ivolt:
These were Putin's "peaceful" demands for Ukraine or he invades.

1. Ukrainian armed forces must be disbanded.
2. All government officials should resign and handover to pro-Russia group because
they are all "Nazis".
3. Make Russian language the sole official language.
4. Cede the entire eastern Ukraine to Russia.

If Zelensky was wise, he would have accepted all the demands without complaining
and thank Putin for his generous "peace" offers. After all, slavery is better than war!
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by skywalker240(m): 2:51pm On Apr 04, 2022
Faiththatworks:
I'm starting to get really irritated by the Russian terrorists on Nairaland,these Russian terrorists need psychological evaluation.
Putin is a mad man,very delusional and a crazy despot that needs to visit a psychiatrist as early as tomorrow morning.
I have tried to balance my information on this mad war Russia started in Ukraine,but the more I try to be rational,the more I see why Putin is nothing but a mad man.
I don't understand why mad man Putin will not allow Ukrainians determine their own destiny,why should Russia,another foreign country believe it has the power to determine the political direction of another sovereign country.
Why not allow hold a referendum in Ukraine,that will be conducted by a neutral body like the United Nations to known if the citizens of Ukraine want to join NATO or the European Union.
That was the most sensical thing to do before Mad Man Putin rolled in the tanks.
I'm very happy the whole world has finally demystified Mad Man Putin,he's nothing but a delusional,mad,crazy,psyocotic kleptomaniac that will be killed in Russia by his own generals.
And for his mad cretins on Nairaland,the Almighty God will allow you experience what the citizens of Ukraine are suffering in the hands of the Russia.
The pain and the agony of the Ukrainians will be your portion for all these crazy propaganda you push out every day.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by AldrichAmes: 2:58pm On Apr 04, 2022
wwwihy:
The war successfully exposed Russia , Putin and Russian Forces as weak, overrated, overhyped, unintelligent, untrained, defeated rag tag military. It now weakened their standing after all , Ukraine defeated them.




See Russian Forces uniforms....


Chai


Shame catch Putin

Those are Ukrainian DNR pro-Russian militia conscripts from Eastern Ukraine and they’re the separatists fighting for their freedom from Ukr Nazis.

The fact that a lot of you just parrot every idiotic propaganda you see on social media shows how extremely low your IQ is.

What do you expect militias who have been at war and have been suffocated in their own country for 8 yrs to wear? You’re a cowardly fool in a country that has been lorded over by illiterate mallams for decades and you’re powerless about it and have accepted slavery as your destiny. Yet you have the audacity to mock people who are brave enough to fight for their freedom. You’re definitely an accursed sissy.

FYI, those militias despite what they’re wearing have been one of the most effective Russian groups during the war. They’re braver than their Ukr counterparts.

I’m sure most of you can’t distinguish the difference in camo, military vehicles, tanks, identifiers, etc. of all the parties involved. And have zero background of the events but you still stupidly parrot everything that has been exposed as fraud brazenly to make a non-existent argument.

If the Russians are weak as you claim - NATO would have joined the war time ago. The fact that they’re scared of joining the war is enough for anyone with a brain to know where the propaganda lies. US and NATO would take the biggest arse whopping in modern warfare if they dare join the war. Russia doesn’t even need nuclear weapons - EMP is enough.

It didn’t take them this long in Iraq, Balkans, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. - what are they waiting for? Russia is baiting them to join but they stay running from confrontation while a lot of their special forces on the ground have been killed like rats.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Invitationn: 3:08pm On Apr 04, 2022
advanceDNA:


If you know all this, why are u guys tagging zelensky a comedian, making him look like he’s a fool, for not rolling over to do whatever Russia demands...

I don’t think it’s fair to call Russia’s reason for invasion legitimate....what’s legitimate about it.
Did Ukraine attack Russia like japan attacked the US...??
Well, people call him a comedian because he's in fact a comedian. Lol
On a serious note, people like me call him a comedian because we see things clearly, without sentiments or emotions.
If I were a Russian president, I'll probably explore more subtle options but would never shelve the option of invasion if need be. Everyone is fighting for security and survival. No one wants to be in a strategically disadvantage position, especially Russia. That's why the US is wary of communist nations like Cuba, Venezuela in America and beyond.
I already mentioned in my submission earlier that, I'll see no wrong in Zelensky's decision to engage Russia if I were in Ukraine.
The Japs attacked Pearl Harbor because for similar reasons the Russians attacked Ukraine.
The only difference was that, they attacked a superior force and got whipped!
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Maxcollins042(m): 3:11pm On Apr 04, 2022
Born2Breed:


It's changes nothing. US was dymystified in Vetnam and Somalia but they are still one of the super powers.

The war was avoidable though.


You missed Afghanistan

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by abeggnow: 3:23pm On Apr 04, 2022
Difrent:


How?
Russian Objective in Ukraine has been 80% sucessful and its only a matter of time that the remaining 20% which is taking kiev is achieved. In case you missed it....Russian reason for the invasion are 1 to demilitarize ukraine and denazify Ukraine. Zelensky admits almost all of Ukraines millitary equipments have been destroyed. So while the west keep beaming photos of bombed cities and humanitarian crisis to appeal to sentiments.....Russia is busy destroying military bases.... airports.....arms depots...and almost all of Ukrines military equipments.

Its the US and EU that has been demystified. When Putin invaded Georgia....he was testing the water....then realising that US AND EUreally cant do anything he moved to crimea and realising that the west wont do anything made the ukraine move. EU dont want to anger Russia because they depend on it for gas.....while US is too busy making sure China doesnt overtake it as world biggest economy.....Ukraine is on his own, that comedian just got to know the real difference between comedy and reality
also Ukraine will loos the whole east and if not taken access to the sea. and that will just be the beginning. there will be steady interference and disorganization of whats left of Ukraine. i
t was the poorest european country it will get a whole lot poorer and insignificat.
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by CoronaVirusPro: 3:25pm On Apr 04, 2022
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AldrichAmes:


Those are Ukrainian DNR pro-Russian militia conscripts from Eastern Ukraine and they’re the separatists fighting for their freedom from Ukr Nazis.

The fact that a lot of you just parrot every idiotic propaganda you see on social media shows how extremely low your IQ is.

What do you expect militias who have been at war and have been suffocated in their own country for 8 yrs to wear? You’re a cowardly fool in a country that has been lorded over by illiterate mallams for decades and you’re powerless about it and have accepted slavery as your destiny. Yet you have the audacity to mock people who are brave enough to fight for their freedom. You’re definitely an accursed sissy.

FYI, those militias despite what they’re wearing have been one of the most effective Russian groups during the war. They’re braver than their Ukr counterparts.

I’m sure most of you can’t distinguish the difference in camo, military vehicles, tanks, identifiers, etc. of all the parties involved. And have zero background of the events but you still stupidly parrot everything that has been exposed as fraud brazenly to make a non-existent argument.

If the Russians are weak as you claim - NATO would have joined the war time ago. The fact that they’re scared of joining the war is enough for anyone with a brain to know where the propaganda lies. US and NATO would take the biggest arse whopping in modern warfare if they dare join the war. Russia doesn’t even need nuclear weapons - EMP is enough.

It didn’t take them this long in Iraq, Balkans, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. - what are they waiting for? Russia is baiting them to join but they stay running from confrontation while a lot of their special forces on the ground have been killed like rats.
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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by madridsta007(m): 3:29pm On Apr 04, 2022
foryourmindlol:
It s better they fought it and found the head. No lasting peace without war.

Putin and Russia have been dymystified

People that have had zero experience of conflicts or war say these sorts of things.
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by AldrichAmes: 3:30pm On Apr 04, 2022
Invitationn:

Well, people call him a comedian because he's in fact a comedian. Lol
On a serious note, people like me call him a comedian because we see things clearly, without sentiments or emotions.
If I were a Russian president, I'll probably explore a more subtle options but would never shelve the option of invasion if need be. Everyone is fighting for security and survival. No one wants to be in a strategically disadvantage position, especially Russia. That's why the US are wary of communist nations like Cuba, Venezuela in America and beyond.
I already mentioned in my submission earlier that, I'll see no wrong in Zelensky's decision to engage Russia if I were in Ukraine.
The Japs attacked Pearl Harbor because for similar reasons the Russians attacked Ukraine.
The only difference was that, they attacked a superior force and got whipped!

How are they whipped?

A lot of you don’t understand warfare. Russian forces are outnumbered by 1:4 yet they occupy an area the size of UK in Ukr.

In as much as I don’t know what Russia’s military strategy is, however, I know you can’t occupy a country of almost 50m with less that 200k soldiers. So that shows the Russians didn’t go in to capture the whole of Ukr and they went in for eastern and southern Ukr (if shock and awe doesn’t force regime change in Ukr). And that’s what the 2nd phase of the war is about and they have been successful thus far. I also alluded to that 2wks ago.

Some of you need to stay off Twitter and MSM since it’s one-sided with 90% fake news. The real news is on Telegram and you can tell who’s winning from both sides. But you need to understand military hardware identifiers - to know who’s lying and who’s telling the truth. 90% of Russian losses on Twitter are either Ukrainian, old equipment from the 8yrs of war with Donbas or civilian pictures of parked equipment. Ukrainians are also using video game videos (from Arma 3).

It took NATO (mostly US forces) and Kurdish army 9 months to take Mosul (a small city) in Iraq from ISIS, with heavy fighting, just recently. Yet some of you want Russia to take a country of 50m people that’s twice the size of Iraq where they’re outnumbered by 4:1 within a week and everything else is a failure. Even during the Iraq war - the US and NATO outnumbered Iraqis by 3:1 and it was total war against Iraqis who didn’t want to fight, yet it took them months. Heck the 2nd Fallujah war where US and British forces outnumbered the Iraqi militias by 10:1 - it took them 2months despite levelling the whole city to the ground, using chemical weapons and killing everywhere civilian they can kill.

Russia has taken 2 cities within a month and are moving fast in the eastern region despite the region being the most fortified in Europe. If they end up taking the whole east and take Nikolaev/Odessa - that’s the whole of Ukr coast in the south and its industrial/Agricultural base in the east gone. Ukr already has the same GDP per capita as Namibia before the war - after the war, with Donbas and the coast gone - it would be Somalia.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by AldrichAmes: 3:40pm On Apr 04, 2022
Which of the dirty and cowardly uneducated slaves quoted me to cancel my post? grin

The US doesn’t play with its currency and it kills everyone that undermines it. Yet Russia is waging a currency war whilst winning with people dumping the dollar - apart from destroying Ukr in the battle field.

Funny how the US is still scared to get into a shooting match with a country that’s daring it. The same US has destroyed countries for much less.

NATO and US will always be scared of Russia. Pentagon will put out propaganda to paint a lion and make it look like a cat to idiots who would buy it on social media but those at Pentagon aren’t suicidal and they know who to bark at. cheesy

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Appleyard(m): 3:41pm On Apr 04, 2022
Difrent:


How?
Russian Objective in Ukraine has been 80% sucessful and its only a matter of time that the remaining 20% which is taking kiev is achieved. In case you missed it....Russian reason for the invasion are 1 to demilitarize ukraine and denazify Ukraine. Zelensky admits almost all of Ukraines millitary equipments have been destroyed. So while the west keep beaming photos of bombed cities and humanitarian crisis to appeal to sentiments.....Russia is busy destroying military bases.... airports.....arms depots...and almost all of Ukrines military equipments.

Its the US and EU that has been demystified. When Putin invaded Georgia....he was testing the water....then realising that US AND EUreally cant do anything he moved to crimea and realising that the west wont do anything made the ukraine move. EU dont want to anger Russia because they depend on it for gas.....while US is too busy making sure China doesnt overtake it as world biggest economy.....Ukraine is on his own, that comedian just got to know the real difference between comedy and reality

I sometimes wonder why someone would happily sacrifice the peace, economy and security of his country just to please US foreign policy. Something tells me they had something on him.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Appleyard(m): 3:42pm On Apr 04, 2022
ivolt:
These were Putin's "peaceful" demands for Ukraine or he invades.

1. Ukrainian armed forces must be disbanded.
2. All government officials should resign and handover to pro-Russia group because
they are all "Nazis".
3. Make Russian language the sole official language.
4. Cede the entire eastern Ukraine to Russia.

If Zelensky was wise, he would have accepted all the demands without complaining
and thank Putin for his generous "peace" offers. After all, slavery is better than war!

Sarcastic falsehood.
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Awesometouch1: 3:43pm On Apr 04, 2022
Faiththatworks:
I'm starting to get really irritated by the Russian terrorists on Nairaland,these Russian terrorists need psychological evaluation.
Putin is a mad man,very delusional and a crazy despot that needs to visit a psychiatrist as early as tomorrow morning.
I have tried to balance my information on this mad war Russia started in Ukraine,but the more I try to be rational,the more I see why Putin is nothing but a mad man.
I don't understand why mad man Putin will not allow Ukrainians determine their own destiny,why should Russia,another foreign country believe it has the power to determine the political direction of another sovereign country.
Why not allow hold a referendum in Ukraine,that will be conducted by a neutral body like the United Nations to known if the citizens of Ukraine want to join NATO or the European Union.
That was the most sensical thing to do before Mad Man Putin rolled in the tanks.
I'm very happy the whole world has finally demystified Mad Man Putin,he's nothing but a delusional,mad,crazy,psyocotic kleptomaniac that will be killed in Russia by his own generals.
And for his mad cretins on Nairaland,the Almighty God will allow you experience what the citizens of Ukraine are suffering in the hands of the Russia.
The pain and the agony of the Ukrainians will be your portion for all these crazy propaganda you push out every day.

Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Appleyard(m): 3:56pm On Apr 04, 2022
IgOga:


grin grin grin How? You must be drunk on MSM propaganda.

If Russia wants to take over the whole Ukraine they will do that in 1 week. The goal was to destroy Ukraine military and Recognize the two eastern regions.

If Russia is as weak as the West are brainwashing you, Russia would have been invaded. See how fast the whitehouse and European leaders were shouting ontop of their voice that Regime change is not their strategy..i.. Biden was on his own when he suggested that in a rage. Even Biden has said he didn't say that. That shows you whether Russia is weak or strong.

Meanwhile Poland and other EU nations are saying the sanctions are not working Ruble is back to preinvasion levels. Putin's approval ratings in Russia has shot up to 84 %. German food manufacturers are saying prepare for 20-50% inflation. Sr Lanka is already collapsing due to inflation. Western countries that imposed sanctions have now seen unprecedented inflation......And by May when EU will need to pay for their next Russian gas...all hell may break loose. German CEOs are sounding the alarm...companies will go burst.....You need to educate yourself....and the so call pro-Putin Politicians in Hungary and Serbia somehow win in landslide yesterday even when opposition parties band together as one party.



So.many people here on Nairaland simply do not understand reality.
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Gnosis777: 4:02pm On Apr 04, 2022
JosephXavier:
The worst thing any country is to do is to believe that the West wants the best for you

They always have a motive and a selfish interest in everything they do

They came to Africa preaching the Bible while kidnapping slaves and killing those against their mission

And those people that are Bible and religious experts are still the ones who engage in racism but still preach love

Everything is all about what they achieve and gain for themselves

I wish Africa can be as smart as China and look inward

There is nothing good that will ever come from the West except they are gaining for themselves and protecting their dominance


Very true! The sooner the world understands this, the better.
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Appleyard(m): 4:05pm On Apr 04, 2022
John360comng:


My question is since most Ukrainians want to join NATO.

Why can't they join NATO since the war is already on now?

Most Ukrainians don't give a dime about NATO. They just want to live their lives in peace. It's Zelensky and his Nazi nationalists that were playing to the gallery to satisfy US and NATO policies that has created this mess for Ukrainians.

Before this war, Ukrainians don't even need Visa or cross border passports to enter Russia. There is hardly any Ukrainian that doesn't speak Russian. It's politicians that caused this mess.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by abbey621(m): 4:16pm On Apr 04, 2022
Nigerians have more opinions on what's going on in other countries than their own. One would think these loudmouths were nationals from Ukraine or Russia. How one ignoramus in Lagos, Oyo, Enugu or Kaduna wakes up one day and decides he or she is an expert in the Russia-Ukraine conflict is simply amazing, these e-diots would argue from morning till night using up energy meant to do something creative......Loud mouthed mofos....SICK grin grin grin grin
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by AldrichAmes: 4:23pm On Apr 04, 2022
Appleyard:


Most Ukrainians don't give a dime about NATO. They just want to live their lives in peace. It's Zelensky and his Nazi nationalists that were playing to the gallery to satisfy US and NATO policies that has created this mess for Ukrainians.

Before this war, Ukrainians don't even need Visa or cross border passports to enter Russia. There is hardly any Ukrainian that doesn't speak Russian. It's politicians that caused this mess.

That’s what they don’t want to talk about. Most Ukrainians in the East and South don’t want to join NATO. And it’s 50/50 in central Ukraine including Kyiv. The only Ukrainians interested in NATO are the ones in the west who’re mostly genetically Polish.

The truth about Ukraine is that it’s not a real country and it’s an amalgamation of different entities. The real Ukraine is just basically central Ukr - everything else was added to it.

A city like Odessa is a stronghold for communists and they have traditionally always won all the elections there. And eastern Ukr has always been Russia - Lenin added that region to Ukr. Even during WW2 - Ukrainians in the western region fought with the Nazis against Soviet Union.

So there’s no way one region can decide for a country that is this broken and diverse. If any country should maintain neutrality - it’s Ukr due to its population demographic. But these fools led by a comedian and Nazis allowed the US to use them as cannon fodder and meat grinder for proxy war.

I think that’s why Russia is also holding back a lot because it can level the whole country if it wanted to. Ukrainians also know that hence they denied the CIA attack on Belgorod last week.

Regardless, the comedian and Nazis will end up with a worthless and landlocked Ukr that would be useless to EU and NATO. Russia has take the whole Sea of Azov which is the most strategic part of Ukr with land corridor to Donbas. The just need to take the whole Donbas and Odessa to complete the cipher.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by HomorBj(m): 4:26pm On Apr 04, 2022
Enceladus:
Well, there's a price for freewill. Ukrainians are paying it.

Of the most reasonable take in this thread,its not hard to understand that the way citizens think is the kind of government they get,imagine some people calling Ukraine President a fool cos he's defending his land,na wa for Nigerians o,no wonder we always suffer and smile because our leaders are quick to treat us anyhow cos we accept anything
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by VULCAN(m): 4:27pm On Apr 04, 2022
One of the signs that a person is a fool is they initiate battles they cannot hope to win.

Zelensky was a stand up comedian before becoming President and once acted a very popular skit as the President of Ukraine which everybody loved.

He has no tangible antecedent that prepared him for the Presidency of a complex country like Ukraine.

He could EASILY have avoided this war by playing the long game with Putin but instead he wants to play tough guy for Putin yet he is ok with bending his ass over for US and EU.

So many people have died and will die simply because he does not understand the reality of his country's geopolitical position

Russia will NEVER allow nuclear weapons in Ukraine just like US almost went to war with Russia for trying to put Nukes in Cuba.

Why many of you can't understand this bitter truth is beyond me.

advanceDNA:


U sit here in Nigeria making the invasion look like it’s not a big deal ....I don’t watch CNN and I don’t give a fvck about the US...I’m just looking at it from the Ukrainian angle being destroyed.

How many leader of a democratic nation will you tell to roll over to your demands and he will just say okay ooo...For the sake of peace. I’ll do it.... ??

any small thing U people will start shouting CNN....so as long as I don’t support Putin’s action of bombing another nation, I must be watching CNN and be supporting US... does that sound like sense to you??

sometimes the way you people reason is just annoying and irritating

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by advanceDNA: 4:32pm On Apr 04, 2022
VULCAN:
One of the signs that a person is a fool is they initiate battles they cannot hope to win.

Zelensky was a stand up comedian before becoming President and once acted a very popular skit as the President of Ukraine which everybody loved.

He has no tangible antecedent that prepared him for the Presidency of a complex country like Ukraine.

He could EASILY have avoided this war by playing the long game with Putin but instead he wants to play tough guy for Putin yet he is ok with bending his ass over for US and EU.

So many people have died and will die simply because he does not understand the reality of his country's geopolitical position

Russia will NEVER allow nuclear weapons in Ukraine just like US almost went to war with Russia for trying to put Nukes in Cuba.






We are not saying the same thing...
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by TrueNigerian300: 4:44pm On Apr 04, 2022
mfm04622:


One thing pro Russian people have not commented on is the fact that Ukrainians have not said they didn't support their government choosing to fight Russia.
Ukrainians know the scores. They know what to expect from Russia if they don't fight. They chose to fight and die than just die. As all die na die, they chose to die fighting.

Keeping deceiving yourself even the ones that fled choose to die. You know how many people want to flee that the government is stopping and forcefully conscripting men age 16 to 60.
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by SWATMan: 4:48pm On Apr 04, 2022
Techsupport:


Agreed

Agreeded.
grin grin
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Invitationn: 4:50pm On Apr 04, 2022
AldrichAmes:


How are they whipped?

A lot of you don’t understand warfare. Russian forces are outnumbered by 1:4 yet they occupy an area the size of UK in Ukr.

In as much as I don’t know what Russia’s military strategy is, however, I know you can’t occupy a country of almost 50m with less that 200k soldiers. So that shows the Russians didn’t go in to capture the whole of Ukr and they went in for eastern and southern Ukr (if shock and awe doesn’t force regime change in Ukr). And that’s what the 2nd phase of the war is about and they have been successful thus far. I also alluded to that 2wks ago.

Some of you need to stay off Twitter and MSM since it’s one-sided with 90% fake news. The real news is on Telegram and you can tell who’s winning from both sides. But you need to understand military hardware identifiers - to know who’s lying and who’s telling the truth. 90% of Russian losses on Twitter are either Ukrainian, old equipment from the 8yrs of war with Donbas or civilian pictures of parked equipment. Ukrainians are also using video game videos (from Arma 3).

It took NATO (mostly US forces) and Kurdish army 9 months to take Mosul (a small city) in Iraq from ISIS, with heavy fighting, just recently. Yet some of you want Russia to take a country of 50m people that’s twice the size of Iraq where they’re outnumbered by 4:1 within a week and everything else is a failure. Even during the Iraq war - the US and NATO outnumbered Iraqis by 3:1 and it was total war against Iraqis who didn’t want to fight, yet it took them months. Heck the 2nd Fallujah war where US and British forces outnumbered the Iraqi militias by 10:1 - it took them 2months despite levelling the whole city to the ground, using chemical weapons and killing everywhere civilian they can kill.

Russia has taken 2 cities within a month and are moving fast in the eastern region despite the region being the most fortified in Europe. If they end up taking the whole east and take Nikolaev/Odessa - that’s the whole of Ukr coast in the south and its industrial/Agricultural base in the east gone. Ukr already has the same GDP per capita as Namibia before the war - after the war, with Donbas and the coast gone - it would be Somalia.
Comrade be calming down, we are on the same side cheesy
Read my submission again. I was referring to the Japanese not Russians when I said the got whipped grin
You're spot on with your analysis in my opinion. I share similar sentiments.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by worldstevo: 4:57pm On Apr 04, 2022
My own take on all these is simple; don't pick a fight with a world power especially when they are your next door neighbour.

As far as I am concerned, Zelensky mismanaged Ukraine's relations with Russia. This war was very avoidable. Also, people need to know that the world is not perfect,. Ideals like democracy, sovereignty, equality ,equity and freedom amongst others will not always apply at all times most especially when international politics is involved. The Ukrainian president lacked wisdom and thus brought ruin to his nation. A real leader need greater wisdom to strike an appropriate balance more so when dealing with Russia and the west
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by mfm04622: 5:00pm On Apr 04, 2022
Oddfinder:

The whole of Ukraine and including dombass or watever damed region therein was part of Russia! Nigeria gave up bakasi to Cameroon, not because Cameroon is stronger but for peace to rain..we all knew bakasi belonged to Nigeria but we had to let go for peace

Bakassi belonged to Nigeria how? We went to expert and experts said the place belongs to Cameroon. Lol!!!!

Even if those places once belonged to Russia, they got their independence. So, other countries with former colonies should invade their former colonies and recolonise them?
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by mfm04622: 5:02pm On Apr 04, 2022
TrueNigerian300:


Keeping deceiving yourself even the ones that fled choose to die. You know how many people want to flee that the government is stopping and forcefully conscripting men age 16 to 60.

They country made a law that all male should stay and fight. Did you see them complain?
Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by VirileNelly2420: 5:26pm On Apr 04, 2022
Faiththatworks:
I'm starting to get really irritated by the Russian terrorists on Nairaland,these Russian terrorists need psychological evaluation.
Putin is a mad man,very delusional and a crazy despot that needs to visit a psychiatrist as early as tomorrow morning.
I have tried to balance my information on this mad war Russia started in Ukraine,but the more I try to be rational,the more I see why Putin is nothing but a mad man.
I don't understand why mad man Putin will not allow Ukrainians determine their own destiny,why should Russia,another foreign country believe it has the power to determine the political direction of another sovereign country.
Why not allow hold a referendum in Ukraine,that will be conducted by a neutral body like the United Nations to known if the citizens of Ukraine want to join NATO or the European Union.
That was the most sensical thing to do before Mad Man Putin rolled in the tanks.
I'm very happy the whole world has finally demystified Mad Man Putin,he's nothing but a delusional,mad,crazy,psyocotic kleptomaniac that will be killed in Russia by his own generals.
And for his mad cretins on Nairaland,the Almighty God will allow you experience what the citizens of Ukraine are suffering in the hands of the Russia.
The pain and the agony of the Ukrainians will be your portion for all these crazy propaganda you push out every day.
Terms and conditions are applied in every sphere of life. If u break a regional pact, u face d consequences. Ukraine has had several president before zelensky, why would he b d one to spoil d tranquility of dia country?

Zelensky doesn't value peace. He is also devoid of dia geopolitical security pact and ideology.

If zelensky tinks geopolitical ideology isn't important, he will face lawlessness at its peak.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by Appleyard(m): 5:43pm On Apr 04, 2022
AldrichAmes:


That’s what they don’t want to talk about. Most Ukrainians in the East and South don’t want to join NATO. And it’s 50/50 in central Ukraine including Kyiv. The only Ukrainians interested in NATO are the ones in the west who’re mostly genetically Polish.

The truth about Ukraine is that it’s not a real country and it’s an amalgamation of different entities. The real Ukraine is just basically central Ukr - everything else was added to it.

A city like Odessa is a stronghold for communists and they have traditionally always won all the elections there. And eastern Ukr has always been Russia - Lenin added that region to Ukr. Even during WW2 - Ukrainians in the western region fought with the Nazis against Soviet Union.

So there’s no way one region can decide for a country that is this broken and diverse. If any country should maintain neutrality - it’s Ukr due to its population demographic. But these fools led by a comedian and Nazis allowed the US to use them as cannon fodder and meat grinder for proxy war.

I think that’s why Russia is also holding back a lot because it can level the whole country if it wanted to. Ukrainians also know that hence they denied the CIA attack on Belgorod last week.

Regardless, the comedian and Nazis will end up with a worthless and landlocked Ukr that would be useless to EU and NATO. Russia has take the whole Sea of Azov which is the most strategic part of Ukr with land corridor to Donbas. The just need to take the whole Donbas and Odessa to complete the cipher.

You have said it all. In saner climes, someone like Zelensky should be prosecuted for treason against the diverse people of Ukraine. I believe they have something on him, or like someone pointed out, he is acting like someone that has bipolar disorder. The way he would say I want to negotiate today, then ask for weapons tomorrow is enough to believe that. This man could have made Ukraine neutral from the very beginning, and Ukrainians would have been living in peace now. But no, he didn't. Rather, he chose to massage the US and NATO ploy to have bases installed in Ukraine which could have completely undermine Russia's security and nuclear deterrence, giving the US a first-strike advantage and preventable retaliatory strikes over Russia, which is so plausible considering the huge size and length of the border and airspace Ukraine shares with Russia.

As for the Russian endgame, I think the two separatists regions of Donetsk and Luhansk are forever gone from Ukraine. They will become independent, no doubt.

If Odessa is added to that, it means Ukraine would be completely cut off from sea, including the black sea. It would become a landlock country with a landlock army, one that will certainly pose no threat to Russia anymore for many years to come.

The Russian phase two will tell where this will end.

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Re: Zelensky Rejected Peace Offer Days Before Russian Offensive – WSJ by TenQ: 5:46pm On Apr 04, 2022
Mooh247:
cool



Don't Join NATO for regional peace sake

Recognise Donbass region and all southeastern Ukraine with majority Russian ethnicity as an autonomous region

Or


Face Russia's demilitralisation exercise in Ukraine where all military installations and hardwares would be blown to pieces till every Minsk agreement is Honoured word for word


Zelensky made his choice and EU and US would let him face the consequences alone except for giving him few arms and loans


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Except that Putin and Russia has been demystified by the small Ukraine.

If Anthony Joshua cannot beat me in the first 5 minutes of the first round and ends up knocking me out on the 13th round. He is a complete failure and I am the VICTOR!

Shame on Russia!

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