drDoom3:

Napoli seem to be the Spurs of Italy, no matter how good they play, they never win anything. Osimhen should start engaging his agent, especially with the buzz on him recently.

lovewins:


Just recently, there was a protest in a federal university in Oyo state. Surprisingly the VC is from the state, the protest was cause he isn't from a particular part of the state.

Can we just stop being hypocritical? Can we stop throwing the racism card at everything especially when we have a semblance of it at home? England has a 3.5% black population, the other part of UK has less than 1% yet it's widely said that you rarely go to a UK hospital and not find a black medical practitioner. If we achieved all this by merit can we just assume we probably don't have a black football coach who can compete at the highest level yet. What exactly have black coaches achieved with African football? Don't we still clamour for foreign coaches? No black nation has gotten to the semi final of the world cup yet, and the highest we've achieved at the world cup as being when a foreign coach was in charge.

Of course I know racism exist, would be insane to deny that, but it's rather hypocritical to scream racism at people who are doing the most to be inclusive. An average Nigerian has a better chance at success in the "racist" UK than he does in his homeland. Can we just look inwards and not throw the race card every chance we get.

Most sport franchise are private entities. Capitalist tendencies trumps personal preferences at the end of the day. It's the reason we have more black players on the NFL and the NBA, they are simply better. While we may have few experiences of racism to make reference to, most employers will hire a competent black coach of they find one. It's all about the money at the end of the day.

BTW, if Kolo Toure is more qualified, he has 52 African countries to prove it with.

lovewins:


Just recently, there was a protest in a federal university in Oyo state. Surprisingly the VC is from the state, the protest was cause he isn't from a particular part of the state.

Can we just stop being hypocritical? Can we stop throwing the racism card at everything especially when we have a semblance of it at home? England has a 3.5% black population, the other part of UK has less than 1% yet it's widely said that you rarely go to a UK hospital and not find a black medical practitioner. If we achieved all this by merit can we just assume we probably don't have a black football coach who can compete at the highest level yet. What exactly have black coaches achieved with African football? Don't we still clamour for foreign coaches? No black nation has gotten to the semi final of the world cup yet, and the highest we've achieved at the world cup as being when a foreign coach was in charge.

Of course I know racism exist, would be insane to deny that, but it's rather hypocritical to scream racism at people who are doing the most to be inclusive. An average Nigerian has a better chance at success in the "racist" UK than he does in his homeland. Can we just look inwards and not throw the race card every chance we get.

Most sport franchise are private entities. Capitalist tendencies trumps personal preferences at the end of the day. It's the reason we have more black players on the NFL and the NBA, they are simply better. While we may have few experiences of racism to make reference to, most employers will hire a competent black coach of they find one. It's all about the money at the end of the day.

BTW, if Kolo Toure is more qualified, he has 52 African countries to prove it with.

lovewins:


Just recently, there was a protest in a federal university in Oyo state. Surprisingly the VC is from the state, the protest was cause he isn't from a particular part of the state.

Can we just stop being hypocritical? Can we stop throwing the racism card at everything especially when we have a semblance of it at home? England has a 3.5% black population, the other part of UK has less than 1% yet it's widely said that you rarely go to a UK hospital and not find a black medical practitioner. If we achieved all this by merit can we just assume we probably don't have a black football coach who can compete at the highest level yet. What exactly have black coaches achieved with African football? Don't we still clamour for foreign coaches? No black nation has gotten to the semi final of the world cup yet, and the highest we've achieved at the world cup as being when a foreign coach was in charge.

Of course I know racism exist, would be insane to deny that, but it's rather hypocritical to scream racism at people who are doing the most to be inclusive. An average Nigerian has a better chance at success in the "racist" UK than he does in his homeland. Can we just look inwards and not throw the race card every chance we get.

Most sport franchise are private entities. Capitalist tendencies trumps personal preferences at the end of the day. It's the reason we have more black players on the NFL and the NBA, they are simply better. While we may have few experiences of racism to make reference to, most employers will hire a competent black coach of they find one. It's all about the money at the end of the day.

BTW, if Kolo Toure is more qualified, he has 52 African countries to prove it with.

TheLoneCitizen:
The whole Napoli team have been sent to a permanent camp until season end.

TheGoodJoe:


Nice chat but still over the place.

Anyone who knows my history here will attest that I strictly stand by the merit principle in everything. That is why I will prefer a young promising striker who has high quality over an experienced player the youngster will achieve more.

That is why I doff my hat to Enrique who was prepared to give chances to high-quality youngsters like Pedri and Gavi over some experienced players Enrique believed the youngsters are better than.

So telling me of a protest in Nigeria based on tribal bias, does not in any way counter my point. My best Nigerian coach in the history of my watching is Musa Abdullahi. He is a Northerner, while I am a Southerner. My best talent Developer is Coach Monday Sinclair. He is from Bayelsa. I threw my weight behind Amunike, even though he is Igbo. I love Kashimawo Laloko even though he is from Oyo. I do not see where you are from but what you bring to the table.

TheGoodJoe:


Amunike won the U17 World Cup in grand style, playing a refreshing brand of football. He stood little to no chance of landing a quality job in Europe.

Steve Cooper won the U17 with England, BAMMM. Coach of Swansea FC.

This is not capability but a white and black thing. In short, RACISM.

Same way with Refereeing the game, Linesmen, and VAR officials.

lovewins:


You seem to be missing the point here. On what basis should Amunike land a job in England above Steve Cooper when same Amunike isn't being considered for a job in Nigeria?

Why should it be wrong for a UK citizen to be considered first for a Job in the UK above a non citizen especially when no metric whatsoever that says he's better? A we surprised that the institutions and systems in the UK put citizens first?

We all have biases, that's my point.

lovewins:


The points made in my submission is in no way a reflection on your person. I was for the most part used generic terms to capture our common heritage as Africans/black people and not our individual tendencies. Point is, we all have biases, we see it on our everyday life. It's replete in every aspect of our society, but we seem to want to hold the white guy to a higher standard.

And yes the references I made did indeed negate your points.

TheLoneCitizen:


What has Osimhen done to deserve a move outta Napoli?

Every instance is an opportunity for him to leave. Why doesn't he turn this pretending Napoli team into world beaters?

The Spurs, Manchester United, and Arsenal who have shown interest, are they in a better condition?

TheGoodJoe:


So I do not get when you say hypocrisy when I scream the same against tribal or ethnic bias. It disgusts me and I believe it robs growth.

No matter how good you are as a black coach, the fact is that you have a far tougher battle, no matter how you want to paint it.

Gerard had a far better chance becoming a top manager than Kolo Toure because he was white. Henderson stands a better chance coaching Liverpool than Van Dijk because he is white.

That is why I rep Viera because he is one of the few that has the chance to make way for black coaches.

As for pure African coaches, it is a far longer battle. It has nothing to do with capability.

TheGoodJoe:


How does your point nullify mine in any way. When you agree there is bias due to skin color in coaching selection?

lovewins:


Don't get me wrong, I am pro-merit and I detest racism or tribalism. I am however also a nationalist to a very large extent. I believe Nigeria should but Nigerians first. I believe Nigerians (and by implication the black man) has no capacity problem, I believe we should be given every opportunity to live up to our highest potentials. That's why I am pro-local coaches. This is the same reason I won't sulk if Gerard is preferred above Toure. He's English and it's only natural that he'll get looked at first especially since they are both starting out at the same time and there's no metric to prove Toure is better than him.

lovewins:


My point is we are entitled. Why should they have to make room for them. Black coaches have 52 majority black nations to make their point with. Let's start from there.

The football fund is in Europe. Will Gerard accept to coach Sundowns or Heart of Oak?


Let the best get the job despite skin complexion.

Finito.

lovewins:

An average Nigerian has a better chance at success in the "racist" UK than he does in his homeland. Can we just look inwards and not throw the race card every chance we get.

TheGoodJoe:


You agree there is bias. That is my point from the start.

We are talking of the best qualified for the best positions. So saying it happens here does not mean it does not happen there. Here it is tribalism. That is why Salisu stood a better chance than Amunike. Over there it is racism, that is why Steve Cooper stood a better chance than Amunike.

Finito.

codemaniacs:


This part of your comment is very wrong and it created the problem that led to the civil war and will more problems politically if it's not addressed and respected...

Nigeria is a combination of different ethnic nations whose geographic location and indigenous lands are located within Nigeria.

Yoruba nation is not the home of non-Yorubas even if non-Yorubas live and work there , Igbo nation is not the home of non-Igbos even if non-igbos live and work there e.t.c

The term Nigerian is not an ethnic description of anyone.

Nnamdi Azikiwe hid behind "Uniting Nigerians" to give federal government jobs that are meant to be given to qualified indigenes to Igbos and this created animosity between indigenes and Igbos and after some months or years indigenes and igbos started killing each other which eventually led to the civil war..

Bu:haree is hiding behind "one Nigeria" to build RU:GA or new local government areas for f:ulanis and his other tribes:men all over southern Nigeria despite the fact that southern Nigeria has smaller land area than no:rthern Nigeria and this has also created animosity between indigenes and f:ulanis and other No:rtherners and also after some months indigenes and fu:lanis started killing each other which has led to an underground or covert civil war been fought in Nigeria even if Nigerians don't want to admit it.

To answer your quote:
Most Nigerians are first successful in their ethnic nations or the SW of Nigeria before leaving Nigeria. It's the higher salary and security that motivates Nigerians to leave Nigeria not lack of success.

TheGoodJoe:


The football fund is in Europe. Will Gerard accept to coach Sundowns or Heart of Oak?


Let the best get the job despite skin complexion.

Finito.

TheLoneCitizen:
The whole Napoli team have been sent to a permanent camp until season end.

lovewins:


I understand Nigeria's history bro.

To your point, if we would rather prefer those with whom we share an ethnic heritage with above other parts of the nation, why then do we hold those in th west to a higher standard? Isn't it logical that we clean house first?

lovewins:


Whether racism or tribalism, there all mere semantics. The underlying word is bias and it exists everywhere. I'm trying to be careful not to be seen to be making a case for racism, cause I'm not. But I also think sometimes we sound so entitled.

I'm all for more opportunities for black coaches. I'm reminded of Viola Davis's Emmy award speech where she said

"And let me tell you something: The only thing that separates women of colour from anyone else is opportunity. You cannot win an Emmy for roles that are simply not there.

So I am pro opportunities for black coaches go try, fail and succeed. But I'll take us more serious if we start making those changes here first. 5 African teams will be at the world cup, let's have 5 African coaches there. Let them fail and learn from that of experience then build on it. Let Toure go back to Ivory Coast and Pick up a job. Let's make the most of what we have before making a claim for the big leagues.

lovewins:


How do you determine the best between a Gerard and a Toure especially if they are both just stating out and there's really no metric to judge with?

It boils down to giving one the opportunity. The opportunities are replete here in Africa. If a black man takes a job here in Africa, wins the CAF champions League then goes on to beat a Uefa team in the world club cup, chances are he'll land a job in Europe.

TheLoneCitizen:


What has Osimhen done to deserve a move outta Napoli?

Every instance is an opportunity for him to leave. Why doesn't he turn this pretending Napoli team into world beaters?

The Spurs, Manchester United, and Arsenal who have shown interest, are they in a better condition?

TheGoodJoe:


A tree does not make a forest. Even CR7 cannot turn Manchester United to World Beaters.

TheLoneCitizen:


You can only excuse an exceptional player from a poor performing team. In that way, the player's performances have exceeded the team.

What exceptional service has Osimhen offered to Napoli that warrants him seeking a move from the club.

As big as Madrid is, Benzema has exceeded the club's performances to the extent they can't do without him. Is that the case with Osimhen?

Let man be humble and justify Napoli's belief in him.

TheGoodJoe:


You agree there is bias. That is my point from the start.

We are talking of the best qualified for the best positions. So saying it happens here does not mean it does not happen there. Here it is tribalism. That is why Salisu stood a better chance than Amunike. Over there it is racism, that is why Steve Cooper stood a better chance than Amunike.

Finito.

jihday:
Cooper getting a job ahead of Amunike is not racism boss man, you seem to be confusing both. The same reason why you say Rohr is a poor coach but Eguavoen was sabotaged is the same reason why Reading will prefer Cooper to Amunike

jihday:
Cooper getting a job ahead of Amunike is not racism boss man, you seem to be confusing both. The same reason why you say Rohr is a poor coach but Eguavoen was sabotaged is the same reason why Reading will prefer Cooper to Amunike

TheGoodJoe:


This does not relate in any way to my response.

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I am telling you Osimhen alone can not make this happen. Messi in his prime cannot turn this Napoli team into Wiorld beaters. Benzema will not perform as he does if the likes of Vinicius, Kroos, Modric and co. were not firning on all cylinders.

Finito.

TheLoneCitizen:
The whole Napoli team have been sent to a permanent camp until season end.