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Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Empiree: 10:23am On Apr 26, 2022
Osaze007:


They couldn’t mess with Fulani
This is what happens when Yoruba Muslims learn from Fulani scholars
You can read on battle of sokoto to see how Fulani empire was taken over by the British
Britain has left
Fulani is still controlling Ilorin reducing Yoruba Muslims to vassals

Maybe if Muslims can be educated they can build factory instead of cramming Arab language and travelling to Saudi or fighting for hijab
That said yoro Christians use church as a form of job creation they have over 600 hospitals 20 universities 400 secondary schools excluding the ones Muslims won’t release due to jealousy
all said and done, with your so called achievements, majority of Yorùbá especially Christians are still slaves in foreign countries in the name of greener pasture while Fulani take one Nigeria cheesy. Fulani rarely leave Nigeria. They believe in Nigeria. They are the true patriots. grin

As for the so called schools and hospitals built by Christians, it is not rocket science to realize this was made easy due to colonisation by Christian slave masters and sidelined muslims. So you have no point.

It is laughable you said churches are form of job creation. Oh really?. Churches where you have prayer warriors chasing witches and satan cheesy and you are still poor and jobless grin
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by excellentj4teal(m): 10:36am On Apr 26, 2022
Cyynthia:
Yoruba Muslims should be very very careful.. The silence of some of us Christian Yorubas is not an act of cowardice..



Be very careful!!!
This is exactly what MURIC is trying to achieve. Please let's say NO to MURIC and have a peaceful coexistence with ourselves.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Tareq1105: 10:48am On Apr 26, 2022
ThankGodFriday:



You're not a Yoruba abeg. Yoruba Muslims are majority in South West

Nobody is talking about numbers now even though you can't justify that, we need peace in south west and Nigeria generally.

MURIC represent trouble and crisis, and nobody has monopoly of trouble.

I want to advise Tinubu to chain his bulldog, MURIC who represent the militant branch of his presidential campaign group, SWAGA.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Osaze007: 10:50am On Apr 26, 2022
Empiree:
all said and done, with your so called achievements, majority of Yorùbá especially Christians are still slaves in foreign countries in the name of greener pasture while Fulani take one Nigeria cheesy. Fulani rarely leave Nigeria. They believe in Nigeria. They are the true patriots. grin

As for the so called schools and hospitals built by Christians, it is not rocket science to realize this was made easy due to colonisation by Christian slave masters and sidelined muslims. So you have no point.


It is laughable you said churches are form of job creation. Oh really?. Churches where you have prayer warriors chasing witches and satan cheesy and you are still poor and jobless grin

I’m confused vast of the Yoruba people traded in Libya, Lebanon are largely from Islamic side
Yoruba Christians are busy buying up Gatwick and building $3bn start ups in USA Yoruba Muslims can’t even achieve a thing in this so called Muslim
Majority county they travel too
Looool
Is it because of colonialism that Yoruba produced a Tb Joshua , the same persons that created job via tourism and hotel, fuel station and real estate
Virtually all Yoruba international musicians were trained by the church
Mention one value add of Islam to Yoruba land
Islam is waste of space in Yoruba land
You don’t create jobs just Islamic training centres and resenting non Yoruba Muslims and defending Fulani Muslim overlords that see you as infidels , seized Ilorin from you, humiliated Abiola and are already showing tinubu shege

Your the one that’s poor and jobless and fuming over the success of Christians in Yoruba land
Also the fact 30% of Muslims are converting to Christianity must be alarming so I don’t blame you for crying grin

See the Muslim rehab centre in Yoruba land and you wonder why your backwards as a group grin

Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by ZombieSlaughter: 10:53am On Apr 26, 2022
Ogunleti01:
And the fact that so many bad eggs in our land went to Okija the haedquaters of skull mining for apprenticeship


We yorubas must forget about soka forest in Ibadan, continue to point ewedu finger to okija shrine that happened 100 years ago while pretending that the fresh human heads we harvested today and hid under our beds do not exist. grin
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by yomi531(m): 10:58am On Apr 26, 2022
leksite120:
How does this disprove my point, if most G.Os are Yoruba , what does it affect, . Do u know how many Alfas are in Yorubaland too?
How are christians 60% , you even said in Yoruba meaning Kwara is among . Apart from Ondo and Ekiti, where did christians so dominate like that. Even that Ondo , there are still a lot of Muslims there, just that christians are more, at least there's 25-30% Muslims in Ondo, Muslims are many in Ikare and akoko areas, Owo, Akure
Chairman, google is ur friend
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Osaze007: 11:01am On Apr 26, 2022
leksite120:
How does this disprove my point, if most G.Os are Yoruba , what does it affect, . Do u know how many Alfas are in Yorubaland too?
How are christians 60% , you even said in Yoruba meaning Kwara is among . Apart from Ondo and Ekiti, where did christians so dominate like that. Even that Ondo , there are still a lot of Muslims there, just that christians are more, at least there's 25-30% Muslims in Ondo, Muslims are many in Ikare and akoko areas, Owo, Akure

Ekiti and Ondo can boast of 5% to 10% Muslim at best
Islam is not well practiced in kogi , Ekiti and Ondo which boost overall number of Christians

Why the hell do you think they don’t even have Muslim deputies grin
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by NOETHNICITY(m): 11:07am On Apr 26, 2022
Ogunleti01:
always add public missionary school since you people have chosen to be mischievous and unfortunate in your thinking
Are we supposed to have anything like a public missionary school sponsored with tax payers money at the expense of a section of other citizens
If government is funding the school then the sch forfeits the right to make rules for government on the running of the school. You guys should go to court to retrieve the school from government.
What nonsense is that

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Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Osaze007: 11:09am On Apr 26, 2022
NOETHNICITY:
Are we supposed to have anything like a public missionary school sponsored with tax payers money at the expense of a section of other citizens
Can you see the foolish entitlement of this Yoruba Muslims who are only peaceful where they are minority
Lagos Ogun Ondo Ekiti & kogi but once they have numbers it’s to be defending take over of missionary schools since they can’t build anything grin grin
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by NOETHNICITY(m): 11:14am On Apr 26, 2022
Padipadi:

Islam spreads via violence. Bello of Ilorin spread Islam to Yorubaland via violence. He & his descendants ridiculed the Yoruba race with disdain & conquest mission to the sea.
Thank God for the men of valour in Ibadan who destroyed them at the battle of Osogbo.
Go n read Yoruba history cos I m sure you are a Yoruba man.
Now back to modern history, Islam ll v created violent spread in yourubaland if not for the natural peaceful nature of yorubas. But we still v goats like MURIC creating problems.
At least we can say Islam spreads with violence in northern Nigeria & the middle east.
You are talking to one who knows history bro. How did christianity spread to africa? Who were the colonial masters? What were their antecedents? What about the crusades? Always pointing the finger forgetting that the remaining four fingers are pointing right at you

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Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Tareq1105: 11:15am On Apr 26, 2022
BnQoyyim:


I only quote what you believe in. Argue reasonably with your thumb and head.
Disaprove this if it's not stated in your bible.
Anyway, may you be forgiven for tantrum against me as a madman.

Let me put you on the spot:

1. The same Jesus Christ you hate so much is regarded as the Spirit of God in your Quran.

2. Not only that, your Quran confirmed that among all the prophets of God that ever came, Jesus Christ is the only one your Quran describe as ALMASIU meaning the Saviour.

3. Again, your Quran confirmed that Jesus Christ was coming back but your Mohammed never said anything about his coming back, in fact, Mohammed said he doesn't know where he was going.

Check your Quran or call Prof Ishaq Akintola MURIC to assist you if you can't answer. I've asked your MURIC man before now but he never answered.

Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world. He was made to die for you and me. He came to take away our sins. He was humiliated so that humanity can be saved from humiliation.

He came to save us from everything he died for. It's my prayer that, through the Holy Spirit, His death and resurrection would have practical understanding in your life and family.

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Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by leksite120(m): 11:20am On Apr 26, 2022
Osaze007:


Ekiti and Ondo can boast of 5% to 10% Muslim at best
Islam is not well practiced in kogi , Ekiti and Ondo which boost overall number of Christians

Why the hell do you think they don’t even have Muslim deputies grin
Lol, Ondo and Ekiti population together is not up to or equal to just Oyo State population, so do you understand now? Ondo has more than 10% muslims , at least25%. Ekiti is low, I know that, it can't be more than 10%. How many Yoruba are in Kogi, I'm not mentioning Kogi, and if Kogi should be there, Kwara too will enter, Kwara alone is just like Osun,Ondo and Ogun population and it's at least 75% muslims.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Housing(m): 11:21am On Apr 26, 2022
JAMO84:
Hahhaah

Terrorist organization for defending the rights of Muslims in Nigeria.


CAN always release more provocative statements without Muslims calling them terrorists.



WHEN THEY WANT TO CHEAT MUSLIMS, THEY THREATEN US WITH TERROR TAG.

May God bless you. The religious harmony in the South West is at the expense of Yoruba Muslims.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Osaze007: 11:22am On Apr 26, 2022
leksite120:
Lol, Ondo and Ekiti population together is not up to or equal to just Oyo State population, so do you understand now? Ondo has more than 10% muslims , at least25%. Ekiti is low, I know that, it can't be more than 10%. How many Yoruba are in Kogi, I'm not mentioning Kogi, and if Kogi should be there, Kwara too will enter, Kwara alone is just like Osun,Ondo and Ogun population and it's at least 75% muslims.

You sound as if oyo is 80% Muslim it’s not, at worst 50-55% Muslim oyo same with osun
No state in Yoruba land can boast of 70% Muslim population excerpt for kwara
Oyo & osun can boast of 40%-45% of Christain population

And yes it’s as scares as it’s in Ondo as it is in Ekiti Ondo is just larger in number so 10% of 7m people verse 10% of Ekiti you will see more Muslims in Ondo
Among kogi Yorubas same thing they might be 20-30% of the state population but they are 90-95% Christians
Now add the total number up and you will see Christians + traditionalist are more than Muslims
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by leksite120(m): 11:22am On Apr 26, 2022
yomi531:
Chairman, google is ur friend
analyse it with your own brain without Google na, abi are you saying you cannot reason?
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Osaze007: 11:23am On Apr 26, 2022
Housing:


May God bless you. The religious harmony in the South West is at the expense of Yoruba Muslims.

Yes victimhood mentality 101
Inferiority complex is on display
Tell us how Muslims don’t practice their religion in the west
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by advocatejare(m): 11:38am On Apr 26, 2022
Empiree:
he's your brother?. The dude that has nothing upstairs?
The same person that has defeated you countless times. You should be ashamed of yourself, even Allah is disappointed in you for not being up to the task to defend him!
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Ogunleti01: 11:50am On Apr 26, 2022
NOETHNICITY:
Are we supposed to have anything like a public missionary school sponsored with tax payers money at the expense of a section of other citizens
If government is funding the school then the sch forfeits the right to make rules for government on the running of the school. You guys should go to court to retrieve the school from government.
What nonsense is that
If the missionaries had not built those schools would u be spending tax payers money on buka

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Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Ogunleti01: 11:52am On Apr 26, 2022
ZombieSlaughter:



We yorubas must forget about soka forest in Ibadan, continue to point ewedu finger to okija shrine that happened 100 years ago while pretending that the fresh human heads we harvested today and hid under our beds do not exist. grin
100 years indeed may be okija shrine even existed in the 1400 self! yeye dey smell
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Padipadi(m): 11:54am On Apr 26, 2022
NOETHNICITY:
You are talking to one who knows history bro. How did christianity spread to africa? Who were the colonial masters? What were their antecedents? What about the crusades? Always pointing the finger forgetting that the remaining four fingers are pointing right at you
Pele Mr finger pointers.
Now let's reflect on happenings of present day, present time.
What kind of man is Ishaq Akintola?
What kind of Muslims still waylay Christian missionaries like the RCCG woman killed very close to a mosque in Abuja few years ago. There was confessions from the suspects who were Muslims who said they were irritated by her way of converting people to Christianity. Meaning they saw her as a threat to their religion. Did the woman convert by sword.
Children of Ishmael make una dey fear God.
No one lives by sword & go scott free. The same as no one lives by spreading fallacy i.e: MURIC & escaped the wrath of God.
In fact, no one support clear cut evil like your justification of MURIC & escape the wrath of Allah.
Play safe in your religion, say no to violence.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by NOETHNICITY(m): 12:08pm On Apr 26, 2022
Padipadi:
Pele Mr finger pointers.
Now let's reflect on happenings of present day, present time.
What kind of man is Ishaq Akintola?
What kind of Muslims still waylay Christian missionaries like the RCCG woman killed very close to a mosque in Abuja few years ago. There was confessions from the suspects who were Muslims who said they were irritated by her way of converting people to Christianity. Meaning they saw her as a threat to their religion. Did the woman convert by sword.
Children of Ishmael make una dey fear God.
No one lives by sword & go scott free. The same as no one lives by spreading fallacy i.e: MURIC & escaped the wrath of God.
In fact, no one support clear cut evil like your justification of MURIC & escape the wrath of Allah.
Play safe in your religion, say no to violence.
You have moved from one fallacy to another. After I pointed out to you how christianity advanced the gospel with the force of arms. Always pretending to be the ones who know how to show love. I'm a muslim in the southern part of this country. And I know the discrimination I've faced because of my faith. Christians are pretentious. Couldron of hate simmering in thier hearts.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Padipadi(m): 12:10pm On Apr 26, 2022
Osaze007:


You sound as if oyo is 80% Muslim it’s not, at worst 50-55% Muslim oyo same with osun
No state in Yoruba land can boast of 70% Muslim population excerpt for kwara
Oyo & osun can boast of 40%-45% of Christain population

And yes it’s as scares as it’s in Ondo as it is in Ekiti Ondo is just larger in number so 10% of 7m people verse 10% of Ekiti you will see more Muslims in Ondo
Among kogi Yorubas same thing they might be 20-30% of the state population but they are 90-95% Christians
Now add the total number up and you will see Christians + traditionalist are more than Muslims
Only Kwara can boast of more Muslim population.
But the ratio isn't up to 70% Muslims.
Aside Ondo and Ekiti which has glaring high christian popular, all other states in Southwest is either 50-50 or Christianity having a slight edge.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by BnQoyyim(m): 12:10pm On Apr 26, 2022
Tareq1105:


Let me put you on the spot:

1. The same Jesus Christ you hate so much is regarded as the Spirit of God in your Quran.

2. Not only that, your Quran confirmed that among all the prophets of God that ever came, Jesus Christ is the only one your Quran describe as ALMASIU meaning the Saviour.

3. Again, your Quran confirmed that Jesus Christ was coming back but your Mohammed never said anything about his coming back, in fact, Mohammed said he doesn't know where he was going.

Check your Quran or call Prof Ishaq Akintola MURIC to assist you if you can't answer. I've asked your MURIC man before now but he never answered.

Jesus Christ is the Saviour of the world. He was made to die for you and me. He came to take away our sins. He was humiliated so that humanity can be saved from humiliation.

He came to save us from everything he died for. It's my prayer that, through the Holy Spirit, His death and resurrection would have practical understanding in your life and family.

Our own beloved Jesus Christ (peace be upon Him) is not the one mocked in your adulterated bibles.
Malachi 2:3
"Behold, I will rebuke your seed, and will spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your feasts; and ye shall be taken away with it"

Matthew 10:34
“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.”
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by NOETHNICITY(m): 12:11pm On Apr 26, 2022
Ogunleti01:
If the missionaries had not built those schools would u be spending tax payers money on buka
Nonsense. Government should fund a school that discriminate against others. Simply go to court to retrieve the school from government, Simple
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Padipadi(m): 12:17pm On Apr 26, 2022
NOETHNICITY:
You have moved from one fallacy to another. After I pointed out to you how christianity advanced the gospel with the force of arms. Always pretending to be the ones who know how to show love. I'm a muslim in the southern part of this country. And I know the discrimination I've faced because of my faith. Christians are pretentious. Couldron of hate simmering in thier hearts.
I didn't deviate. I condemn any form of aggression by the whitemen in the past. If we point fingers, Islamists did worst.
But we are talking about present times.
Religion is spread through evangelism. Not hate preaching, not hate speech, not violence.
I m not here to count scores which religion is more tolerant.
Let's face reality of recent happenings. Who's the sheep and who's the dog?
Let your conscience prick you to say the truth.
If you v suffered discrimination, must you support discrimination too? Christians are purging pretenders out of their midst. They are encouraging people to be like Jesus. Meek, peaceful and loving.
Let the world face peace.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by BnQoyyim(m): 12:19pm On Apr 26, 2022
Padipadi:
I v commited no sin correcting a deranged fellow blaspheming against Jesus Christ.
Now let me tell you what you don't know about Deuteronomy 21 Vs 22-23. Moses was talking about the laws of the old times (testaments).
Jesus was from the new testament. He was killed because he was accused of being rebellious by the Pharisees. He was given a death sentence of criminals to humiliate Him.
You know the conclusion of Jesus story, how Allah exalted & blessed him. Quran mentioned how great Jesus is.
So...if you are Indeed not mad, comprehend with spirituality, logic & reasoning & stop quoting small portions of the Bible you had no knowledge of its summary. It's your types that try to confuse people who doesn't know Bible well with incomplete statements. Quoting a portion of the Bible without full understanding is synonymous to a foo l.
Aren't you a foo l? Get light, get wisdom.

Oh boi, More name-calling !
Mathew 5:17
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."

Our own beloved Jesus Christ (Peace be upon Him) is not the one mocked in your adulterated bibles.
Upon request, I can give you numbers of contradictions in the bibles.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by NOETHNICITY(m): 12:33pm On Apr 26, 2022
Padipadi:

I didn't deviate. I condemn any form of aggression by the whitemen in the past. If we point fingers, Islamists did worst.
But we are talking about present times.
Religion is spread through evangelism. Not hate preaching, not hate speech, not violence.
I m not here to count scores which religion is more tolerant.
Let's face reality of recent happenings. Who's the sheep and who's the dog?
Let your conscience prick you to say the truth.
If you v suffered discrimination, must you support discrimination too? Christians are purging pretenders out of their midst. They are encouraging people to be like Jesus. Meek, peaceful and loving.
Let the world face peace.
I'm not one who believe that one can be forced to change his religion. You can put a gun to my head to make me proclaim certain words. But you can never use a gun to change a man's belief. Not possible. I went to schools where they compelled us to attend church. Yet I'm a muslim now. No one pit a gun to my head to compel me to switch to Islam.
Mention one person in the last 100yrs that was forcefully converted to Islam.
I've not seen anywhere prof Akintola preached violence. If there is, post it here.
Mr Akintola is doing a good job confronting the christian secret agenda of theocratic state capture particularly in the south west.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Ogunleti01: 12:49pm On Apr 26, 2022
NOETHNICITY:
Nonsense. Government should fund a school that discriminate against others. Simply go to court to retrieve the school from government, Simple
E pain am. the day an ansarudeen school would allow a chapel to be built in their premise, fowls will grow teeth
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Padipadi(m): 12:55pm On Apr 26, 2022
BnQoyyim:


Oh boi, More name-calling !
Mathew 5:17
“Don’t misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose."

Our own beloved Jesus Christ (Peace be upon Him) is not the one mocked in your adulterated bibles.
Upon request, I can give you numbers of contradictions in the bibles.
The Bible's you called contradicting are of different versions. Different Apostles gave accounts of Jesus. And different people wrote the Bible. Each trying to pass God's msg based on their understanding.
And to your Bible passage of Matthew 5 Vs 17. Jesus was doing one of His numerous teachings. He talked about the beatitudes, he mentioned being salt (goodness or sweetness) on earth and others. In order to re affirm His teachings, He made it known to wrong interpreters e.g: Pharisees that he didn't come to condemn Moses and other prophets.
These were part of the allegations of Jesus's arrest.
So bro, you are trying twisting technique that's not working. Only a half baked Christian that you can deceive.
And I repeat, Muslims like you love quoting one portion one the Bible without concrete theoretical understanding to support your heresy. That's a sin. Ask God for forgiveness.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Padipadi(m): 12:59pm On Apr 26, 2022
NOETHNICITY:
I'm not one who believe that one can be forced to change his religion. You can put a gun to my head to make me proclaim certain words. But you can never use a gun to change a man's belief. Not possible. I went to schools where they compelled us to attend church. Yet I'm a muslim now. No one pit a gun to my head to compel me to switch to Islam.
Mention one person in the last 100yrs that was forcefully converted to Islam.
I've not seen anywhere prof Akintola preached violence. If there is, post it here.
Mr Akintola is doing a good job confronting the christian secret agenda of theocratic state capture particularly in the south west.
Akintola is doing a bad job. He just painted all Muslims especially fanatics like you as haters of their brethren.
Christians don't consider religion in voting. Else Buhari won't be voted for two terms. The same would v happened to Tinubu & Fashola who governed for two terms.
What we are saying is you guys should reason like humans. If you do so, your anger, aggression ll change to love.
As for the school you went to.
If it's a private school owned by a Christian, that's what you ll get.
You don't expect a Christian kid to hold fellowship in Ad-Dawwah, Nasfat, Ansar-ur-deenbor Muslim owned private school.
Name the school sef make we examine.
Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Housing(m): 1:14pm On Apr 26, 2022
Osaze007:


Yes victimhood mentality 101
Inferiority complex is on display
Tell us how Muslims don’t practice their religion in the west

CAN have made many more politically biased statements than MURIC but due to intolerance on the part of some Christians MURIC had ❌ crossed their red line. So is the you and your like that are suffering victim mentality

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Re: MURIC: A Terrorists Group? By Bishop Steven Ogedengbe by Osaze007: 1:28pm On Apr 26, 2022
Housing:


CAN have made many more politically biased statements than MURIC but due to intolerance on the part of some Christians MURIC had ❌ crossed their red line. So is the you and your like that are suffering victim mentality

Once again you have not told me how Yoruba Muslims have been blocked by Christains from practicing their faith ?
So list it and stop wallowing in victimhood mode
I have not seen CAN attack any Yoruba Muslim denominations or Alfa despite some of them making reckless statements

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