I wonder why muslims spend so much time studying a so-called corrupt Book and at the same time, trying to erroneously smuggle mohammed into the so called corrupt Book. Me thinks the Bible remains the only book that brings out koranic lies into the open, e.g., mohammed mistaking Mary for Maryam, Aaron's sister.

Keep on wondering till u last breath and u will discover that gold is not found on d surface.

Muslims will continue reading d bible cos it belongs to all(any body dat wanna seek knowledge)

Is the koran not enough for you?

Quite sure Qur'an is enough for all Muslims to based their life upon.

@ Nezan,
The Holy Quran is more than enof 4 us.
But a man with knowledge will always know what is going on around him by knowing all

@ my wife, Alimat,

If koran is enough for you, why try to smuggle mohammed into the Bible when it is plain that Jesus's ministry and mohammed's were very parallel? What do you hope to achieve?

Smugle what into what??

Hav u forgetten dat the same God that created the male also created d female and dat is y d hav many features in common.

Nezan:

@ my wife, Alimat,

If koran is enough for you, why try to smuggle mohammed into the Bible when it is[b] plain that Jesus's ministry and mohammed's were very parallel? What do you hope to achieve? [/b]

LOL.
What is d message of Jesus if not to d his people that their Lord God is 1 and dat they should serve dat God wihout patnership. The same goes to d message of Prophet mohammed(peace unto him? and other Prophet of God ranging frm Prophet Noah,Abraham,Moses and lots more(peace unto them all)

@ My wife,

Were you not trying to justify mohammed from the Bible? In all truth, Jesus's gospel ran contrary to mohammed's revelations.

^^^^^^^^
Just as Jesus gospel is contrary to Moses gospel but their mission/message is d same.

Their ways of life will be difference cos they are also human beings but their purpose on earth is d same

@Nezan

Were you not trying to justify mohammed from the Bible? In all truth, Jesus's gospel ran contrary to mohammed's revelations.

Where is that?

Could you tell me that of Jesus from Matthew down to Revelation?

Iyawo me,

Jesus and Moses preached about YHWH, whereas Mohammed preached about Allah. Allah and YHWH are not same.

alimat 2:

^^^^^^^^
Just as Jesus gospel is contrary to Moses gospel but their mission/message is d same.

Their ways of life will be difference cos they are also human beings but their purpose on earth is d same

@Babs;

Are you back with your rhetoric questions? Reading the Bible from Mathew to Revelations should have convinced every body that what is contained therein refers to the life and times as well as the good news of the teachings of Christ, or are you now agreeing with my wife that the new testament was all about Mo?

babs787:

@Nezan


Where is that?

Could you tell me that of Jesus from Matthew down to Revelation?

@Nezan

Are you back with your rhetoric questions? Reading the Bible from Mathew to Revelations should have convinced every body that what is contained therein refers to the life and times as well as the good news of the teachings of Christ, or are you now agreeing with my wife that the new testament was all about Mo?

I have no time for story telling. Where do I find the gospel of Jesus in the NT? I have been reading gospel according to this, to that but I have not seen 'gospel according to Jesus'

Are you referring to the contradicting accounts of that that did not witness his ministry and could be said to have written the gospels ascribed to them?

Do you mind me giving part you of the contradicting life and times?

babs787:

@Nezan



I have no time for story telling. Where do I find the gospel of Jesus in the NT? I have been reading gospel according to this, to that but I have not seen 'gospel according to Jesus'

Are you referring to the contradicting accounts of that that did not witness his ministry and could be said to have written the gospels ascribed to them?

Do you mind me giving part you of the contradicting life and times?

In the quran was there gospel of mohammad?

@Toba

In the quran was there gospel of mohammad?

When you finally learn the meaning of Gospel , then you have your answer in the Quran.

babs787:

@Toba

When you finally learn the meaning of Gospel , then you have your answer in the Quran.

even if i dont know the meaning of GOSPEL, i can get it from Dictionary.com or wikipedia which are as follows


gos·pel
–noun

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1.
the teachings of Jesus and the apostles; the Christian revelation.

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2.
the story of Christ's life and teachings, esp. as contained in the first four books of the new testament, namely Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John.

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3.
( usually initial capital letter ) any of these four books.

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4.
something regarded as true and implicitly believed: to take his report for gospel.

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5.
a doctrine regarded as of prime importance: political gospel.

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6.
glad tidings, esp. concerning salvation and the kingdom of god as announced to the world by Christ.

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7.
( often initial capital letter ) Ecclesiastical . an extract from one of the four Gospels, forming part of the Eucharistic

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service in certain churches.
8.
gospel music.

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–adjective
9.
of, pertaining to, or proclaiming the gospel or its teachings: a gospel preacher.

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10.
in accordance with the gospel; evangelical.

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11.
of or pertaining to gospel music: a gospel singer.

In addition to the above U can take these also

[b]Gospel definition

a word of Anglo-Saxon origin, and meaning "God's spell", i.e., word of God, or rather, according to others, "good spell", i.e., good news. It is the rendering of the Greek _evangelion_, i.e., "good message." It denotes (1) "the welcome intelligence of salvation to man as preached by our Lord and his followers. (2.) It was afterwards transitively applied to each of the four histories of our Lord's life, published by those who are therefore called 'Evangelists', writers of the history of the gospel (the evangelion). (3.) The term is often used to express collectively the gospel doctrines; and 'preaching the gospel' is often used to include not only the proclaiming of the good tidings, but the teaching men how to avail themselves of the offer of salvation, the declaring of all the truths, precepts, promises, and threatenings of Christianity." It is termed "the gospel of the grace of God" (Acts 20:24), "the gospel of the kingdom" (Matt. 4:23), "the gospel of Christ" (Rom. 1:16), "the gospel of peace (Eph. 6:15), "the glorious gospel," "the everlasting gospel," "the gospel of salvation" (Eph. 1:13). [/b]

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babs now tell me how the Gospel relates with the quran?

Was there any Good news reported in the Quran?


glad tidings, esp. concerning salvation and the kingdom of god as announced to the world by Christ.

Was there any miracle reported in the quran as done by mohammad?

@Toba


I am highly flattered by your definition but please which gospel did Jesus preach? Better still, which Gospel did he use to preach?

For your information, the alleged authors are not the real authors hence contradictions in the accounts and if the gospel is really the accouns of life of Jesus as said by you below, kindly do justice to the accounts from differen authors:

from the OT:


When David defeated the King of Zobah, how many horsemen did he capture? 
(a) One thousand and seven hundred (2 Samuel 8:4)
(b) Seven thousand (I Chronicles 18:4)
(a) Forty thousand (I Kings 4:26) 
(b) Four thousand (2 chronicles 9:25)


From the NT:

Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?
After his baptism, the spirit immediately drove him out into the wilderness. And he was in the wilderness forty days , (Mark 1:12-13)
Next day after the baptism, Jesus selected two disciples. Second day: Jesus went to Galilee - two more disciples. Third day: Jesus was at a wedding feast in Cana in Galilee (see John 1:35; 1:43; 2:1-11)

Was baby Jesus life threatened in Jerusalem?
Yes, so Joseph fled with him to Egypt and stayed there until Herod died (Matthew 2:13 23)
No. The family fled nowhere. They calmly presented the child at the Jerusalem temple according to the Jewish customs and returned to Galilee (Luke 2:21-40)

Thank you as you solve 'gospel' of Jesus up.

I laugh at the twist u brought to this topic all good same.
The beauty of the bible is that the authors who wrote various account as perceived by them&with the inspiration from God. All gave similar accounts in different ways matt,mark,john etc who were disciples gave separate account pointing to same end. Chronicles&kings as well. U asked me to give definition of gospel,i did&if u were to give urs,it might not agree with mine.Yet doesnt say we are both wrong
BTW if the bible is not a good news(gospel) how come the muslim claims erroneously that john 14 was directed at mohammad? Babs

@Toba

I laugh at the twist u brought to this topic all good same.

You do not have to laugh at your dishonesty, you should read your response when I asked about the Gospel of Jesus which you avoided and asked me the gospel of Muhammed (saw)

The beauty of the bible is that the authors who wrote various account as perceived by them&with the inspiration from God. All gave similar accounts in different ways matt,mark,john etc who were disciples gave separate account pointing to same end. Chronicles&kings as well. U asked me to give definition of gospel,i did&if u were to give urs,it might not agree with mine.Yet doesnt say we are both wrong

I was even having a field day with you knowing fully well that you would shoot yourself in the leg for lack of knowledge.
Bible in case you do not know was compiled years after Jesus left the earth and was not aware of anything called the Bible. Also, God gave Jesus a revelation not revelations as we are having NT comprising 27 different books in which only Paul wrote majority given his own personal opinion on issues because Jesus was not allowed to say anything.

On the authors being under any inspiration, it is A BIG LIE, snd you would have seen from the contradictionss you could not respond to. Even your book of Timothy 3 v 16 said something like that but we have discovered it to be a lie and if you think I am not being factual, kindly explain those listed for me. The authors are not the real authors but wrote it according to what was handed to them as said by Luke which made us known that he never witnessed Jesus' ministry but handed to him. We could see lots of contradictions as a resulf of the fact that they did copy and paste and was never any under any inspiration.

BTW if the bible is not a good news(gospel) how come the muslim claims erroneously that john 14 was directed at mohammad? Babs

Oga, you could as well attempt the contradictions and when done, we would know if it is a good news or not. When done, we would also see lots of editting, re-editting, manipulations etc.

Thank you my good friend as you solve those contradictions.

Sorry if an repeating. Jesus Christ said the helper would be with christians forever, prophet Mohammed (sal'lallahu alaihi wassam) died and is buried.

seriously I don't think Jesus was referring to Prophet Mohammed as the comforter.

Apart from the reason given above, the comforter was to reasure Christians of their faith and, as the word suggest, comfort them but Prophet Mohammed;

1. told his followers not to take Christians as friends

2. Classified them as unbelievers to be slain and struck down.

3. Ordered them out of Arabia, they were made to pay protection tax  or jizya

4. Had them put to the sword during his numerous battles

5. after his death and under his directive Christian lands were plundered and forcefully converted. Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Jordan were thriving Christian centers prior to invasion.

Tell me, how comforting is that?



If he was the comforter his manner of approach in dealing with Christians would have been different. he would have shown them a sign and God will not harden their hearts so.

I don't think Gods plan, if it involved Mohammed, would fail this spectacularly.

Nezan: I wonder why muslims spend so much time studying a so-called corrupt Book and at the same time, trying to erroneously smuggle mohammed into the so called corrupt Book. Me thinks the Bible remains the only book that brings out koranic lies into the open, e.g., mohammed mistaking Mary for Maryam, Aaron's sister.

den why did d bible mistaking Jesus son of David? Or Joseph or Jehovah, wich one na

here is my previous post on this topic:"who is the comforter":

https://www.nairaland.com/871478/us-christian-jewish-actor-director-sean#10351101

LagosShia: Why the "paraclete,comforter,advocate,spirit of truth" to come after Jesus cannot be the christian "holy spirit"?

1.) John 14:16
"And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;"

"another" means "one like the other".which is the former? Jesus! so the next to come would be like Jesus,a prophet sent by God.

Matthew 21:11
And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of Galilee.

2.) John 16:7
"Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you".

going through the bible,we see the presence of the "holy spirit" on earth and experienced in the lives of people before the coming of Jesus (as),during his stay on earth and also after Jesus (as) left.

let us say you and your brother are in the same room with visitors.your brother's name is "Y".if "Y" was with you in the same room,can you tell people that you must leave the room so that "Y" can come in and if you dont leave he would not come in (for whatever reason)?

so how can Jesus (as) say if he does not go the "comforter" will not come if that comforter is already there?the "holy spirit" was already there regardless if Jesus (as) stays or leave.this means we cannot say the "comforter" is the "holy spirit".so we clear see that this person that will lead people into "all truth" is someone like Jesus (as)-a prophet- who will come newly to earth.

please compare the below two verses:

1 John 2:1:
"My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:"

John 14:16:
New Living Translation (©2007)
"And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Advocate, who will never leave you".

By name the Holy spirit. Is prophet mohammed a spirit.? Is he still alive? The comforter is to abide with us forever. This is too simple to confuse anyone. If indeed you believe God is spirit and his spirit can and is present everywhere why do you persist in making your prophet the spirit of God. Did the prophet ask you to defend his spiritship? If you believe there is judgement after this life then you know you will stand alone to defend your utterances even your prophet will say he did not send you to force him to be a spirit. Desist from trying to explain what you do not understand and is beyond you.

Mark 3:28-29
Jesus said-Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."

andromida:
By name the Holy spirit. Is prophet mohammed a spirit.? Is he still alive? The comforter is to abide with us forever. This is too simple to confuse anyone. If indeed you believe God is spirit and his spirit can and is present everywhere why do you persist in making your prophet the spirit of God. Did the prophet ask you to defend his spiritship? If you believe there is judgement after this life then you know you will stand alone to defend your utterances even your prophet will say he did not send you to force him to be a spirit. Desist from trying to explain what you do not understand and is beyond you.
Mark 3:28-29
Jesus said-Truly I tell you, people can be forgiven all their sins and every slander they utter,but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven; they are guilty of an eternal sin."

What do u know about spirit? can u identify one?

First it reads "Spirit or Truth", not Holy Spirit.
Secondly can you name one thing that the Holy Spirit, which you place as the Spirit of Truth. Can you name one thing that the Holy Spirit has fulfilled in All the things Jesus (AS) said He is going to do? Which Includes (Glorifying Jesus (AS), guiding us into all Truth, Speaking of only what He has heard and not of his own initiative, Telling us what is to come. E.t.c Thank Yoi

sleek29:
The Holy spirit is the helper, and he helped the apostles spread the Gospel by giving them boldness read from acts 1:4, when Jesus asked them to wait for the promise of the Father that they shall be baptized (immersed) with the Holy Spirit not many days from now, books like revelations would not have been revealed without the Holy Spirit.

Is not spirit but referring to man who is not existing @ the time jesuse pray and beg God for that
Spirit = pronoun 'it' not he, he is for man

Berean Study Bible And I will ask the Father, and He will
give you another Advocate to be with
you forever-- Berean Literal Bible And I will ask the Father, and He will
give you another Helper, that He may be
with you to the age-- New American Standard Bible "I will ask the Father, and He will give
you another Helper, that He may be
with you forever; King James Bible And I will pray the Father, and he shall
give you another Comforter, that he
may abide with you for ever; Holman Christian Standard Bible And I will ask the Father, and He will
give you another Counselor to be with
you forever. International Standard Version I will ask the Father to give you another
Helper, to be with you always. NET Bible Then I will ask the Father, and he will
give you another Advocate to be with
you forever-- New Heart English Bible I will pray to the Father, and he will give
you another Counselor, that he may be
with you forever,� Aramaic Bible in Plain English “And I shall request from my Father and
he will give you another Redeemer of
the accursed, that he will be with you
for eternity.”
Beside the word another mran 2nd or two or more than just one!!