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Steep:
Read again, I m not judging anyone by what they bring little or great provided it comes in faith neither an I condoning filthy lucre (lust for material things), but rather If someone decide to give his or her pastor a royce rolls, why should you condemn it? Real hard working pastors deserve more.

stop writing ARRANT NONSENSE online...nobody gives a Rolls Royce or private jet to these criminals... millions give little money here and there, and that fraudster in robe will collect the tithes given by 100/1000s of people to buy himself a Rolls Royce or private jet. now tell me:" dont you think the tithe money could be better spent, especially in Nigeria where so many xtians cant even get 3 square meals a day?!?!!?

furthermore, if you dont point fingers at these criminals in robe and criticize/demonize them for twisting the word of "god" for their own selfish personal agenda, then you are equally one of these bastard devil in human form, just like these false prophets!!!

OkCornel:
Per the bolded, are you really serious?

Did Jesus agree with the Satanic doctrines (teachings of Balaam and the deeds of the Nicolaitans) prevalent in the church of Pergamum? Revelation 2 v 14-16

Secondly, where did God request tithes be paid monetarily?

Also, after the first church council meeting held in Acts 15, was it required of Gentile believers to practice tithing?

Simple question, the first church council doesn't need to agree on tithing because people were already selling their properties and bringing them to the church and the need to the church were met.
In this day and age how many people can sell al their possessions and bring it to the church?

Is tithing a doctrine of Balaam?
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CyberHustle:
Tithe is a commonsense thing those against the growth of the church like to attack to stall Gods work. Without it, where will congregants sit? Where will sound and IT system come from? Buildings for meeting to share the word? Funds to support the widows, orphans or disabled?
Even shadowy groups with no official scripture do use their commonsense and contribute for the sake of their basic common needs. Why shouldn't Christians do it when they can see the biblical examples and its effects on the quality their gathering place and gatherings?

Acts 17 v 24-25
24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.
25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.

Acts 7 v 48-50
48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands.As the prophet says:
49 “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord? Or where will my resting place be?
50 Has not my hand made all these things?

Dtruthspeaker:
Ha, you have spoken terribly here. Go and look at Exodus 26, you would see that Moses stopped receiving from the people when he had obtained all he required, so a pastor can not be driving Rolls Royce when the people in the community are hungry and homeless.

And it is this action which made Christianity overtake our pagan and traditional practices.

So, you are very wrong here.

It is not wrong for a pastor to drive a Rolls royce but however it is wrong for not just a pastor or any Christian to lust after material things.
Pastor might chose not to ride such, it is his own choice.

Steep:
Simple question, the first church council doesn't need to agree on tithing because people were already selling their properties and bringing them to the church and the need to the church were met.
In this day and age how many people can sell al their possessions and bring it to the church?

Is tithing a doctrine of Balaam?
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To your second question, I was addressing the point OP made, “that anything the church agrees on, Jesus agrees to it automatically”. That is totally false. Jesus would never agree to a false doctrine a church agrees to practice.

And to your first question. Let’s not conflate freewill giving with tithing. My questions still stands;

1. Where did God specifically request money as tithes?

2. Asides foreigners resident in the land of Israel, where did God request gentiles either in the old or New Testament to tithe?

3. Were gentile believers required to tithe after the resolution of the first church council in Acts 15?

desiredhome:
The question is are these pastors living/doing like Jesus did? With the high level of corruption/wickedness in our society today, even from the churches? Who are the people engaged in these corruption practices?...

These are the reason poverty is increasing in Nigeria, and we are blindly blaming the government/politicians.........
Taking from the poor to give to the already rich..... Jesus will not collect from the poor instead Jesus said let the rich give to the poor.......
There's something wrong with the way Nigerians in general behave/believe....

You can't go against the law of God and succeed..... I know there are so many gods created by the devil to cause confusion/suffering on earth........
The god of money/greed is what most Nigerian churches operates on, it's called Mammon god....... otherwise with the number of prayers/churches everywhere in Nigeria, Nigeria would've been the best country on this planet.....

Think

Yet people spend money on morally bankrupt satanic celebrities and artist?
People spend money on bbn Nija, promoting decay.

Who told you Jesus would not collect from the poor? The poor widow that gave all she has as offering, why did Jesus not stop her? Yet he commended her.

MrBrownJay1:
stop writing ARRANT NONSENSE online...nobody gives a Rolls Royce or private jet to these criminals... millions give little money here and there, and that fraudster in robe will collect the tithes given by 100/1000s of people to buy himself a Rolls Royce or private jet. now tell me:" dont you think the tithe money could be better spent, especially in Nigeria where so many xtians cant even get 3 square meals a day?!?!!?

furthermore, if you dont point fingers at these criminals in robe and criticize/demonize them for twisting the word of "god" for their own selfish personal agenda, then you are equally one of these bastard devil in human form, just like these false prophets!!!

Yes there are false pastors, prophets out there but that does not mean you should go against giving and support the work of God.

You have the bible, there is a reason why the bible is one of the cheapest book to have. Search for yourself, speak to God and let him teach you.

OkCornel:
To your second question, I was addressing the point OP made, “that anything the church agrees on, Jesus agrees to it automatically”. That is totally false.

you took it out of context. I also said "any thing that is beneficial to the church"

And to your first question. Let’s not conflate freewill giving with tithing. My questions still stands;

1. Where did God specifically request money as tithes?

2. Asides foreigners resident in the land of Israel, where did God request gentiles either in the old or New Testament to tithe?

3. Were gentile believers required to tithe after the resolution of the first church council in Acts 15?

It is not a must to tithe, of you do you get the blessings of tithing if you don't, you you will not, not just tithing but every other giving in church.

1. I never said tithe is only money.
2. Gentiles were not God's people.
3. The church at that time did not have need for it, people were all ready bring all they had which is more than 10%.

Steep:
Yes there are false pastors, prophets out there but that does not mean you should go against giving and support the work of God.

You have the bible, there is a reason why the bible is one of the cheapest book to have. Search for yourself, speak to God and let him teach you.

giving your money to a FALSE PROPHET who instead of using the tithe to help the clergy/needy, he spends it all on his own selfish personal agenda, is a SIN!!! the minute any of these fraudsters in robe use tithe money to buy a fancy luxury car and/or a private jet etc, then these charlatans confirm that they are FALSE PROPHETS!!!!

here below is another of these yeye charlatan false prophets:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhNdAcLAm-M

Steep:
It is not wrong for a pastor to drive a Rolls royce but however it is wrong for not just a pastor or any Christian to lust after material things.
Pastor might chose not to ride such, it is his own choice.

Aah, your rightness judgement is very terrible here. You must be talking about Satan's pastors. Ah this is very terrible.

Steep:
Yet people spend money on morally bankrupt satanic celebrities and artist?
People spend money on bbn Nija, promoting decay.

Who told you Jesus would not collect from the poor? The poor widow that gave all she has as offering, why did Jesus not stop her? Yet he commended her.

Sounds like gullible Nigerian who believes everything from their Pastor's...... They made their pastor their God because they can't read the Bible.......

Comparing the things of this world to the thing of the spirit shows how ignorant a lot people are about church, that is the reason you keep falling prey to these scammers......

jmoore:
Common sense should have told you some people earned money in the old testament.

Common sense should have told you currency existed in the Bible.


But the spirit of scammers in pulpit has beclouded you.


You deliberately forgot to respond to "Eating tithe". You never knew the Bible instructed you can eat your tithe.

Your are more funny than cunny. So you want to eat tithe but don't want to kill a goat for sins. Contradiction.

RepoMan007:
Your are more funny than cunny. So you want to eat tithe but don't want to kill a goat for sins. Contradiction.

It is not contradiction!! I am only showing you that your focus on the money is borne out of greed to extort money from people.

If we are to stick the original plans of tithe, no pastor deserve a dime. I am sure you never knew Levites are descendants of Levi. How can a Nigerian pastor claim to be a Levite. Is Levi his ancestor?

Modern day tithing remains a scam.

OkCornel:
Acts 17 v 24-25
24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.
25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.

Acts 7 v 48-50
48 “However, the Most High does not live in houses made by human hands.As the prophet says:
49 “‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool. What kind of house will you build for me? says the Lord? Or where will my resting place be?
50 Has not my hand made all these things?

why then did God talked about His house in Malachi 3:11?
For your info, I never said God was suppose to inhabit those house but rather implied that those houses(churches) are needed in good shape to allow believers gather to be feed the word.

CyberHustle:
why then did God talked about His house in Malachi 3:11?
For your info, I never said God was suppose to inhabit those house but rather implied that those houses(churches) are needed in good shape to allow believers gather to be feed the word.

The book of Acts (in the New Testament) comes after the book of Malachi (in the Old Testament). The activities which happened in both books are few centuries apart.

The model of the early church (Jerusalem church to be precise) was

1. Meet at either the temple court or each other’s house to break bread and discuss the word - Acts 2 v 46

2. The church was more about the network of believers, not the number of might edifices built.

3. It was one church per city, as evidenced by the letters the Apostles wrote to believers in each city. Unlike what we have today in Nigeria, multiple church brands (RCCG, C&S, MFM etc) in one street.

RepoMan007:
If you understand money and its purpose, you won't be talking like this. So you expect a tomato seller to bring her tomato tithe to church instead of money. If everyone does that then the church offering basket will be a mess. Money answereth to thing or, to put in a simpler form, facilitates the exchange of things. That makes tithing money a commonsense issue.

When pro-tithers are ready to show us where God specifically mentioned money as part of the items to be tithed, then they should know that monetary tithing is unscriptural.

When God required money for the needs of the Temple, He specifically mentioned where all Israelite males should be levied a temple tax of half a shekel every year. That was an instance of God clearly asking for money.

Refer to Exodus 30 v 13-16 for where God gave the instruction through Moses;

13 This shall every man give, that goeth into the number, half a shekel, after the [a]shekel of the Sanctuary: (a shekel is twenty gerahs) the half shekel shall be an offering to the Lord.
14 All that are numbered from twenty years old and above, shall give an offering to the Lord.
15 The rich shall not pass, and the poor shall not diminish from half a shekel, when ye shall give an offering unto the Lord, for the redemption of your lives.
16 So thou shalt take the money of the redemption of the children of Israel, and shalt put it unto the use of the Tabernacle of the Congregation, that it may be a memorial unto the children of Israel before the Lord, for the redemption of your lives.

BASED ON THE ABOVE, IT WAS CLEAR WHEN GOD ASKED FOR MONEY TO MAINTAIN THE TEMPLE... NOW LET US EXAMINE GOD'S REQUIREMENT FOR TITHES

Refer to Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29;

22 Thou shalt give the tithe of all the increase of thy seed, that cometh forth of the field year by year.
23 And thou shalt eat before the Lord thy God (in the place which he shall choose to cause his Name to dwell there) the tithe of thy corn, of thy wine, and of thine oil, and the firstborn of thy kine, and of thy sheep, that thou mayest learn to fear the Lord thy God always.
24 And if the way be too long for thee, so that thou art not able to carry it, because the place is far from thee, where the Lord thy God shall choose to set his name, when the Lord thy God shall bless thee,
25 Then shalt thou make it in money, and take the money in thine hand, and go unto the place which the Lord thy God shall choose.
26 And thou shalt bestow the money for whatsoever thine heart desireth: whether it be ox, or sheep, or wine, or strong drink, or whatsoever thine heart desireth: and shalt eat it there before the Lord thy God, and rejoice, both thou, and thine household.
27 And the Levite that is within thy gates, shalt thou not forsake: for he hath neither part nor inheritance with thee.
28 At the end of three years thou shalt [e]bring forth all the tithes of thine increase of the same year, and lay it up within thy gates.
29 Then the Levite shall come, because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee, and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which are within thy gates, and shall eat, and be filled, that the Lord thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest.

Based on the above verses, God clearly mentioned what is titheable, and money was not part of the items to be tithed.

IN CONCLUSION:
So anyone that comes with the excuse that money was not in use because the Israelites were predominantly farmers and cattle rearers...should read Exodus 30 v 13-16 and explain to us why God demanded money from these same Israelites...but specified crops and livestock as tithes in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29;