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The Matter Of Tithing: My Personal Encounter With The Bible / 'Laughing' Church Banner In Calabar By Believers' Right Ministry (Photo) / Have You Ever Been Blessed Through Tithing And Giving In Church? (2) (3) (4)
|The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 11:44pm On Jan 08|
I have discovered some fundamental truths about tithing and firstfruits. These are the only two forms of giving that the lord declares to be holy unto Him. Tithing or one-tenth is the divine QUANTITATIVE standard, while firstfruits is the divine QUALITATIVE standard how our gifts presented to HONOR God should be. Do you even know why? God gave us his firstborn son JESUS and expected the same gesture if we wish to honor Him directly. Giving to God your firstborn Isaac or firstfruits melts God's heart; the memory is sacred and holy unto GOD because we can now see that HE gave us HIS own firstborn JESUS WHO died a brutal death for us. He did not withhold any good thing from us in that single sacrifice. And that was why God accepted Abel's offering because he saw the blood and also the firstfruits. Cain's gifts were rejected not because he sinned in any way but because it did not meet the divine standard. AFTER ABEL, God has not accepted anything less than the blood or firstfruits or tithes from any of his servants. Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, the Israelites, all were commanded to honor him with their firstfruits and tithes (and the blood to receive forgiveness). GOD IS A SPIRIT, He does not change or lower His standard over time.This divine specification is now made clearer to us why God hallows tithing and the firstfruits... JESUS HIS FIRSTBORN WAS OFFERED TO DIE FOR US.
You cannot honor God directly with anything less than your firstborn fruits or your tithes. When you give offerings to the church, or do charity works, you are sowing for the kingdom. But to honor God if you so wish, it is like showing respect and trying to catch His attention or invoking His favors, and there is a great blessing for observing this ritual, you have to give your tithes and/or your firstfruits. It is a ritual that has worked wonders for me; I have CRIED severally when God bent human rules to favor me blatantly.
1. it is the first commandment, which states that you should LOVE GOD with all your heart.
2. but if you to do charity to your fellow man, then you are keeping the second commandment which states that you should LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR as yourself.
COLUMN FOR BIBLE QUOTATIONS
1. Corinthians 15:23: "But each in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, then at his coming those who belong to Christ."
2. Exodus 22:29: Thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe fruits, and of thy liquors: the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give unto me.
3. Roman 11:16: If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.
3. Matthew 5:14. Jesus said, "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.''
4. Leviticus 27:30: 'Thus all the tithe of the land, of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S; it is holy to the LORD.
5. Malachi 3:10: "Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and test Me now in this," says the LORD of hosts, "if I will not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows."
6. Numbers 18: 17: “But the firstborn of a cow, or the firstborn of a sheep, or the firstborn of a goat, you shall not redeem; they are holy.”
7. Leviticus 27: 30 – 33: “30 Every tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land or of the fruit of the trees, is the LORD’s; it is holy to the LORD. 31 If a man wishes to redeem some of his tithe, he shall add a fifth to it. 32 And every tithe of herds and flocks, every tenth animal of all that pass under the herdsman’s staff, shall be holy to the LORD. 33 One shall not differentiate between good or bad, neither shall he make a substitute for it; and if he does substitute for it, then both it and the substitute shall be holy; it shall not be redeemed.”
8. Matthew 22: 37 – 40: “37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
9. 2 Corinthian 9: 6 – 10: “6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8 And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work."
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 11:59pm On Jan 08|
What is your experience about tithing?
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by MightySparrow: 4:17am On Jan 09|
I think these are overflogged issues. if you judge the bible principles to be true pay your tithes and offerings,first fruits, vows, thanksgiving offerings,sacrificial offering, freewill etb as for me, they work for me, evidence not arguement.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by CodeTemplar: 7:38am On Jan 09|
MightySparrow:Tithe has always been scriptural but those envious of the growth the church is seeing have decided it will be best to drain the church of its finance. It will not succeed.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Goshen360(m): 10:41am On Jan 09|
Tithe since ages and since Nigerian Christians had been paying, they have not become one of the richest or wealthiest people on the planet earth but rather their so called pastors have being ranked top ten richest in Africa......Pause for a minute and RE-Think about this!
Bottom line, tithe had never made any tithe payer rich or wealthy, it's is hardworking/deligence, God's grace on you and your work, effective use of your brain or senses or ideas to plan/management of your money so your money can work for you.....THESE ARE WHAT RICH AND WEALTHY PEOPLE DO THEY DO NOT PRAY TO BE BLESS THROUGH TITHING NEITHER DO THEY TITHE.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by MuttleyLaff: 11:02am On Jan 09|
Goshen360:Extra simply put, imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving hasnt produced a believer ever yet on the first ten of the Forbes' list
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Goshen360(m): 11:08am On Jan 09|
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 11:20am On Jan 09|
Goshen360:Well the statistics should tell. From 1990 when I gave my life to Christ newly till 2009, my average monthly earning never exceeded N10,000 at the peak! That is a periodi of twenty years and man I have become old already, passed the age of useful employment.
When I started tithing in 2010, I was giving exactly N800/month and by 2015 when I left Nigeria, I was sowing N35,000/month as tithing. And that was a period of 5 years! By your surmise maybe this was a good coincidence or I have simply become lucky while tithing when I was over 40 years old?! I like this luck then...
Now I am in Europe. Under 5 years I got my Bachelor degree also and now I am doing my Master degree. When I asked GOD why this was happening while tithing, He told me... HAVE YOU NOTICED THAT TITHING IS NOT INTENDED TO MAKE YOU RICH? RATHER IT IS INTENDED TO MAKE YOU BLESSED. I HAVE BLESSED YOU FINANCIALLY, MENTALLY, SPIRITUALLY, ACADEMICALLY, HEALTH WISE, AND EVEN MATERIALLY. WITHIN 5 YEARS YOU HAVE ACHIEVED ALL YOUR DREAMS, BOUGHT LAND, RENTED A BIG APARTMENT, GOTTEN A DEGREE, AMASSED WEALTH AND TRAVELLED TO BASE ABROAD IN ITALY.
I said GOD forgive me. I thought it was to get us richer FINANCIALLY only! But now I know you intended to BLESS us and to keep us happy and contented! So I will tell people the truth. Back to you, since you did not believe in BLESSING since tithing did not augur well with you? Do you believe in GOODLUCK at least? Maybe I HAVE simply been Buona Fortuna (in italiano) while tithing so I like losing my money that way to churches and pastors.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by sukerefakere(m): 11:32am On Jan 09|
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 11:39am On Jan 09|
sukerefakere:Yes because tithers do not brag or expose their riches! But do you really want me to mention names? Are you richer than Kenneth Copeland who have many private jets?
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by chiedu7: 11:45am On Jan 09|
That is OLD TESTAMENT
Just as we dont kill Lambs anymore, we dont tithe.
Most tithe chopping GOs get private jet.
So it works for the GOs just not the Church members.
Since these Pastoreuers love the old testament doctrine of tithes, then explain to us why they dont share the tithes with the less privileged as God commands?
The bible commands that the tithes should be given to the poor, instead the poor tithe to keep the GOs flying their jets
When thou hast made an end of tithing all the tithes of thine increase the third year, which is the year of tithing, and hast given it unto the Levite, the stranger, the fatherless, and the widow, that they may eat within thy gates, and be filled;
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 11:59am On Jan 09|
chiedu7:Hey man are you blind? The first name on the list is the Levite? But you overlooked It and glided to the poor! The Levites are designated as priests and all tithes must bè given unto them. They are the only tribe of Israel who do not have land, house, or properties of their own. They are considered an outcast like the fatherless, widows, because they were not given any inherintance in Israel. They may only sleep in donated buildings or the churches. They are not even permitted to work outside the churches. If you do not feed them with God's money, they are finished!
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 12:00pm On Jan 09|
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by MightySparrow: 2:00pm On Jan 09|
CodeTemplar:You see am so, bro? it only in christianity you will see christians publicly criticizing their own doctrines even their God.
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|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Goshen360(m): 2:55pm On Jan 09|
First let me say this,
The kingdom truth ARE HIDDEN AND REVEALED IN THE PARABLES OF CHRIST. That being said, let me go to my points in response to what you said above:
1. There are millions of people who do not tithe but ARE STILL BLESSED OR BETTER BLESSED SPIRITUALLY, FINANCIALLY, MENTALLY, ACADEMICALLY, HEALTH WISE etc as you mentioned above? I'm a living example and also knows people who are doing well or more than those paying tithes. So the question is....WHAT IS WORKING FOR THOSE NOT TITHING BUT STILL ENJOY THE SAME OR MORE THAN THOSE WHO PAY TTHE.... I'll tell you what it is ----- The kingdom truth Christ hid in HIS PARABLES....The heavenly Father makes rain fall on the just and the unjust!
2. What good father will tell his children to bring tithes first BEFORE he will bless them?
3. It's typical of tithe payers to always or mostly think from their minds that God is talking to them not knowing their thinking of their mind how maybe their paying tithe is what is working for them whenever they making some progress.
4. I'm am BLESSED TODAY NOT BECAUSE I PAY TITHE BUT BECAUSE IM A STANDSTILL GIVER. I give to people around me that I see suffering, I set people up with business capitals, I support church that are just growing, etc...I do these and don't even want them calling me to thank me. You know why? I know to whom much is given, much is expected and I was given by God for myself but for myself and people around me.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 4:58pm On Jan 09|
Can you see how crafty satan could be, man? He is calling himself a GIVER! And that God does not speak to tithe payers. Bible students please judge between me and this bobo o....
The first lessons I learned from God while tithing is that only GOD should be called the GIVER. I will never call myself a giver or tither not because it is wrong to do so but because it is not a title you achieve. I merely refer to my actions as TITHING because it is a continuous process of giving. It is not supposed to be static or one time thing. I really want to be sober in my estimation of self when compared to the GIVER of Life.
I find the claims of most people who call themselves GIVERS not to be substantiated. I got A1 in Mathematics in GCE at ordinary level, so let me substantiate mathematically what you should present as proof of your giving. If you refuse to tithe but decide to be give, whatever you call it, if your giving is up to 10% (weekly, monthly, or yearly... time is only used here relatively) of your total income wealth (wealth is not merely money and that is why I give slightly more than the tithe of my monetary income) you will achieve the same result as someone who is tithing. If you give 20% of your income monthly, then you get more blessed than someone who is giving 10%. If you give 100% or your widows mite... then the blessing relative to the sacrifice would be at the apogee and God would respond very fast too. Because giving is relative to what you have.
I am giving you this food for thought... I stated precisely what I do give per annum, so you should give us the exact percentage of your income that you give per annum, or else you are simply bluffing. If you do, I will help you determine whether you are really getting blessed as you claimed to be. But if your giving is below 10% per annum... then man I am sorry DIVINITY considers that a failure mark. There is a percentage that is deemed "sparingly" and "bountifully".
The law of sowing and reaping is so very precise and clear. 2 Corinthian 9: 6 – 10: “6 The point is this: whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 Each one must give as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver."
You can see here that we do no disapprove of people being a GIVER as you call yourself. But how often do you give? And how do you measure the strength of your sacrifice? Is it by the amount of money you give or the percentage relative to your income? This factor is so important because you could give one million naira and consider yourself a great giver because it is plenty, but you have given less than 1%, while another chap might give N2,000 and GOD considers it a very great sacrifice because he gave 100% of his income. For now, I am not being sentimental but factual. But let it be known that if you give less than 10% then you are not qualified for all the full widows of heaven blessings. HE THAT HAS AN EAR LET HIM HEAR. You can not give less than your (qualitative first born fruit) which God also demarcated as tithing, quantitatively. Once your giving exceeds this pass grade, called BOUNTIFULLY, then any other thing na jara, as baba God go bless you yanfu yanfu.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Goshen360(m): 12:07am On Jan 10|
I might or not stop responding to you depending how the thread goes or how I feel from the content of your response? Because I'm beginning to feel you are using more sentiments peddled with a little verse here and I little verse there
First of all, I'm never equating myself to God as giver OF LIFE....you came up here with "sentiments" added like or as if I'm equating myself to God as giver of life. When I said that I'm a STANDSTILL GIVER.... off course everyone reading understand that in context I'm referring to money and anything someone can easily afford to give....my time, my documents to invite someone or as co sponsor etc. So let's understand that.
2. Everything any man gives, it's ALWAYS A PERCENTAGE OF WHATEVER HE OR SHE HAS OR WAS GIVEN. If I have 100 and I DECIDED IN MY HEART..... according to scripture you quoted, to give 15 percent....I still have 85 percentage to deal with my expense and bills from and doesn't mean I'm keeping the whole of 85 percentage to myself. That's why scripture says decide in your heart what you will give IN KEEPING UP WITH YOUR HOUSEHOLD...(my paraphrase)
3. The scripture you quoted also said, ....NOT UNDER COMPULSION....you should give. Don't you think that doesn't meet tithe requirement because tithe is a FIXED PERCENTAGE...a tenth! It's being legalistic and A MUST DO! Christian giving is a or wasn't taught TO BE A MUST DO OR BEING LEGALISTIC as though guided BY A LAW TO DO IT.
4. When I give to help growing church in Nigeria or support a growing ministry, it's a certain percentage of my income and when I give to care for my wife and parent in Nigeria that's a certain percentage also, when I care for friends and those in need, that's another percentage....I WON'T CALL NONE OF THOSE TITHE because every requirement you have to meet for it to me called Tithe is NO MORE IN PLACE AND EFFECTIVE UNDER THE NEW TESTAMENT.
5. LASTLY, I want to REFUTE the FACT that, there are people WHO DO NOT give the so called "TITHE" but still score A1 or excellent in exams and also have good health, blessed with children and good things of life....what is it responsible for the BLESSINGS of those kind of people if THEY DO NOT TITHE.... because what I see your doing is tying up your grades and success TO TITHING as if you just tithe and go to sleep and don't have any other input whatsoever.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 12:54am On Jan 10|
Though you took time to write defensively, but I will still bare my mind. I do not like ambiguity. Please it would be better to be precise about the facts of what you gave and how God blessed you. Well I got B2 in math in 1988 when I was not tithing and again I got A1 in 2007 on my second attempt when I was not tithing, so I wonder why you took delight in outrightly discrediting others. God blessed you because you gave,
1. please tell us exactly what you did,
2. what you gave,
3. and how it happened that He blessed you
I want to solved my problems by understanding how God works. I did not get to where I am here today by storytelling. Please I BEG YOU be practical... I will commend you when you write what WE LEARNED from I promised.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 1:07am On Jan 10|
Hello House, God's favorite pikin is in the in house so no shakings... we go make am whether the devil like it or not. NO WEAPON FASHION AGAINST US SHALL PROSPER! AND ANY TONGUE THAT RISES AGAINST US SHALL BE CONDEMNED. Who tell you say na only devil pikins go make am on earth? I am here to kick ...ash men.
Tithing is not a MUST DO. Nothing in life is a must do because God gave us choices. But tithing is so important if you want to get the fullness of Abraham's blessings. You have heard it written that GOD IS ETERNAL. If He said something in time past (and you know Jesus never said that we should stop tithing) it is relevant for ever. This is not the figment of my imagination and God is not a madman or overbearing. I guess someone is taking tithing as a burden, because they are looking at what they stand to lose, and not at what God said they stand to gain. The spiritual mathematics of sowing and losing before you reap and get does not make sense, and will never make sense till you accept it by faith.
Can you see me in the pic with euro peppermint allover my table? Also see me wey those babes dey point hand at so tay I cover my face for embarrassment (na better harassment sha)... because the naija bobo dey shock dem well well. Bros cooperate with me o! People no dey argue with success o! Na God o!
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Goshen360(m): 11:22am On Jan 10|
Okay....I broke your comments into paragraphs and I'm responding to you according to how I broke it down above:
First of all, I don't have to put FIGURES out here to who and who I gave support to. I'm a believer and I know lying is not of the Spirit of God so if you can't believe what I'm saying that's ok.... I'm only saying to you and to your/our audience BECAUSE of the same claims you claim about what and what you did and how you was blessed and or had good or better grades BECAUSE YOU TITHE.
AGAIN AND AGAIN....you keep repeating your grades when tithe or when not tithe....I'm asking you or challenging YOU....ARE THERE NO PEOPLE WHO DID NOT TITHE IN THE SAME YEAR YOU WROTE THE SAME EXAM BUT PERFORMED BETTER THAN YOU OR HAD BETTER GRADES THAN YOU? Answer my question!
I'm NOT discrediting anyone....IM REFUTING AND CHALLENGING the wrong teaching or sentiments you passing accross as regards tithing.
Good didn't bless me BECAUSE I GAVE....I gave (NOT THAT I TITHE) BECAUSE IM ALREADY BLESSED BY GOD. No man can give what he doesn't have!
Regards question one to three...it's already being answered above!
We know how God works from His word and we're not talking about story telling here, we all should take action. But you confused or mix tithe with giving....I separate them....while tithe is a FIXED LEGALISTIC 10 PERCENTAGE..... giving is any percentage as one decide in his heart in keeping with your household expenses and that could be any percentage.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 7:14pm On Jan 10|
Goshen360:Ahahaha this bobo dey fear tithing like say na ojuju...see how e dey call am, "FIXED LEGALISTIC 10 PERCENTAGE"! So we way dey tithe we no be givers bah? Na legalistic dogmatic irrelevant religious ritual creed we just dey observe bah? Make me too speak big grammar here.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Goshen360(m): 12:15am On Jan 11|
Oga Ade, follow the argument and contribute meaningfully. Okay.
The argument here is the OP claiming BECAUSE he tithe, he's being able to secure better things in life such as better exam grades, good health, success etc etc....but my rebrutal is, are there no people in life that don't tithe and still achieve these same BETTER THINGS IN LIFE OR EVEN MORE?
If there are people that doesn't tithe but still achieve same better things in life, what is it working for those kind of people? I think the OP was calling it luck or so....so evidently if he agrees it is luck working for those people, then you can't conclude tithe is a UNIVERSAL TRUTH THAT WORKS EVERYWHERE ANYTIME to give someone good health, better grades and success etc
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 3:01am On Jan 11|
Goshen360:It is just like saying when God took Israel out of Egypt and promised to bless them and make them rich above all nations of the earth, they ended up being the riches country, or other idol worshipping nations like Egypt did not become strong empires.
Another aspect is the notion that because you serve God another person is not a human being created by God, even if they refused to worship or serve him they wont enjoy some good things in life and be automatically punished.
I have seen that typing big English grammars dey sweet your belly well well like sugar cane. Osanobua, what has getting rich to do with serving God? Are you richer than some devilish pikins? Again I beg you, lets stop this argument because now it makes no meaning. You kept repeating the same thing over and over again like the accuser of the brethren.. "BECAUSE he tithe, he's being able to secure better things in life such as better exam grades, good health, success etc etc." When your accusations against me reaches a level I no fit tolerate, I go start to declare bible on your heard "NO WEAPON FASHIONED AGAINST ME SHALL PROSPER, AND ANY TONGUE THAT RISES UP AGAINST ME SHALL BE CONDEMNED." I am God's favorite pikin o.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 7:57pm On Apr 01|
TITHING SHOWS WE LOVE OTHERS
To love God is “the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself” (Matthew 22:38–39). Paying tithing shows your love for God but it can also help you love others. After all, the purpose of tithing is to give for God’s work. In many Christian churches, tithes sustain efforts to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ. So your tithe benefits God’s children. Your love for mankind would be sustained as see how God is blessing you and how your small contributions is turning lives around.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 12:41pm On Jun 04|
The first person I initiated into paying tithes to God is still confessing how they are being blessed!
The second person now could not help but confess how their supplies do not cease to flow.
This is an experiment going on, would you join lets hear your report?
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 1:30pm On Jun 04|
When pro-tithers are ready to show us where God specifically mentioned money as part of the items to be tithed, then they should know that monetary tithing is unscriptural.
When God required money for the needs of the Temple, He specifically mentioned where all Israelite males should be levied a temple tax of half a shekel every year. That was an instance of God clearly asking for money.
Refer to Exodus 30 v 13-16 for where God gave the instruction through Moses;BASED ON THE ABOVE, IT WAS CLEAR WHEN & HOW GOD ASKED FOR MONEY TO MAINTAIN THE TEMPLE...
NOW LET US EXAMINE GOD'S REQUIREMENT FOR TITHES BELOW;
Refer to Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29;
Based on the above verses, God clearly mentioned what is titheable, and money was not part of the items to be tithed.
Any fraudster that comes with the excuse that money was not in use because the Israelites were predominantly farmers and cattle rearers...should read Exodus 30 v 13-16 and explain to us why God demanded money from these same Israelites...but specified crops and livestock as tithes in Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29;
Also, I'll be waiting for scriptural references where God made tithing mandatory for gentiles as well.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 4:23pm On Jun 04|
OkCornel:First and foremost I must confess, I enjoyed everything you wrote to the last penny . Your revelations and understanding of the Bible is so sound, I only want to thank you now for contributing to this forum. In due time, I will respond to explain how the economic/financial system of things have changed when compared to those good old days and whether or not a gentile should be tithing. Please take my future response in the spirit of discussion and learning.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 5:47pm On Jun 04|
OkCornel:I want to be honest with you, I see myself as a neutral observer in this world. The best word to describe my approach to life is that I am a RESEARCHER. The first major mistake I made all my life was to take bible words either too spiritual, figurative, or seeking it for mere knowledge only. Bible teaches about FAITH in God, but above all, FAITH is dead without WORKS. But now I prefer to do what I think Bible says, like an experiment, and see personally how it works for me first before I recommend it for anybody.
I started tithing around 2009 faithfully more out of despair. (I prefer to use the word TITHING because it is a verb that denotes continuity of works). I wondered why God never seemed to answer my prayers to get out of abject poverty in Abuja, which I faced from 1996 to 2009 or 10 years. To cut a very long story short when I started tithing in 2009 I was earning N8,000 but now I am living in Europe worth million in terms of naira by 2019 or exactly 10 years later. Though my financial status changed but my emphasis is that I got more blessed!
Well the financial system of those days God spoke to the Israelite is different from today. God told Daniel that the image in Nebuchadnezzer dream has a gold head, bronze body, and iron and clay legs. The first and best government and economic system is the kingly rule and trade by barter. But the weakest form of government and economic system is the presidential and monetary financial system of today. Revelation must be fulfilled, we are in the era that the beast 666 is taking control of the financial system.
I fully agree with you that tithing was done with the increase of the land, but today we barely can give tithing with the increase of the land, but by monetary exchange, which can be used to purchase those things. Our sweat now is measured by the money we earn… this is indeed the lowest economic system in God’s sight as you said, but I myself can barely do anything about that. So I deviced a SIMPLE way of evaluating the increase of my land… I simply cannot use 10% of my monetary income money for tithing… it does not take care of the extra increase and favors I get daily in life. I have to pay above 10% all the time, that is if I want my money to reflect the extra favors… may be i have to give like a 15% or more. Because I am not perfect, I simply make room for the excess favors before and ahead of time. Yes God never say money specifically, but money is what we use today, so we should chose what we deem is our increase. Sorry, I prefer converting my wealth to money equivalent before tithing… though I have given out other things too like clothes and so on... but not as tithing.
Finally as to whether a gentile should be tithing? Well we both know God is not partial, does not favor one person above another person. He does not love Abel, Job, Abraham, Israel, and so on, above us the gentiles. Now I must quote scriptures EPH 4: 4-6 “There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all”.
Based on the latest revelation I have in God as I am tithing till date, I came to realize that God is an eternal Spirit THAT does not change with time. He made me understand that human beings, in real sense, cannot give directly to God. WE GIVE TO THE CHURCH OR TEMPLE OR TO OUR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS. But any time a man for any reason decides to want to literally honor Him God Almighty…I do not mean just thanking Him per se with our lips but to reverence Him with our gifts... that gifts to God is considered Holy and God does no accept anything less than our tithing or firstfruits. The two gifts are the only gifts considered Holy in the Bible because it is given to honor God directly. In the case of Abel and Cain, this was no mistaken oversight by God, Cain did not give His first fruit or tithes. God used Abel’s gifts (firstfruits and the blood) to let Cain and all mankind thereafter know how to reverence Him with their gifts. Abel was not an Israelite. This same method was used by Job, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and given by Moses to the Israelite. And today Christ says there is no difference between Israelites and the Gentiles in Christ, because we are one body. We have ever been one body from the day of creation.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 10:18pm On Jun 04|
Sure thing bro.
Thanks for your matured response. I'll go through your points on tithing so we can discuss further tomorrow.
Please note, I have absolutely nothing against giving unto God's work, and giving to help those in need...
We just need to put certain things in perspective of the truth.
God bless you, do have a refreshing night rest.
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 10:22pm On Jun 04|
I'll reply this tomorrow...
Meanwhile, do you believe non tithers are under the devourer's curse as per the book of Malachi?
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by Dencotext: 12:08am On Jun 05|
OkCornel:To be candid with you, being cursed, as in having unfortunate things befalling you, does not necessarily mean YOU ARE NOT A CHILD OF GOD! So in that case, I will use another analogy to explain why a child of God can be struggling with a curse.
The sober truth is that many people justify why they are not tithing based on their understanding of the New Testament. Remember that Jesus said that the Pharisees pay tithes, and Jesus did not condemn tithing, but condemned the fact that they emphasized on justice above mercy. Justice is like trying to do what is right at all cost, or what you think is right. While mercy is like trying to do what God tells you to do, even if it does not seem very right at the time... because righteousness is a gift from God. We have no righteousness of our own outside God. I have discovered that no amount of preaching can make you discover the joy of obeying the bible, unless you physically put head knowledge aside and practice and test the WORD of God by putting it to practice. This is what DEVIL fears so much that he has helped rebranded Christianity to make us nullify the power of God by following the trends that have no scriptural genesis.
One major reason why many people come under a curse is not because satan deceived them alone. Check Genesis to Revelation and you will see that God says everything in Life is being upheld by the spoken WORD. The bible contains plenty blessings and curses, Life and Death, and even good and evil. In 2009 when I was crying and seeking the way forward in my life, the Holy Spirit told me categorically that...MY SON, SATAN IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM, IT IS HOW YOU RELATE WITH GOD THAT REALLY MATTERS. IF YOU TAKE MY WORDS FOR GRANTED, WHETHER YOU ARE A CHILD OF GOD, YOU WILL BE AFFLICTED AND MAY COME UNDER A CURSE. BUT IF YOU FEAR AND OBEY MY WORDS YOU WILL BE BLESSED. I laughed hard and loud when I realized that satan was not my problem but my many years of disobedience to God's word that was causing me those downfalls. I never looked back again, now that I know how to keep GOD's covenant working on my behalf.
Finally before I answer your question, I must paraphrase your question because of the REVELATIONS I have about how these things work now. ALL THE LAW ABOUT GIVING CAN BE SUMMARIZED IN JUST ONE SENTENCE... the measure you measure shall be measured back to you, so he that sows sparingly shall reap sparingly, and he that sow bountifully shall reap bountifully . But before you rejoice that this statement excluded tithing (may be you need to read my NEW book about GIVING) I think we need to know what is bountifully and what is sparingly before we relax. As mathematician and a researcher, I figured out how this law works. The truth is not all non tithers are under the devourer's curse (I will explain that next) but definitely all faithful tithers are not under the curse . The reason why some non tithers are not under the curse is because they do not give sparingly but bountifully all the times. The quantity that is sparingly I have figured out is actually giving anything less than 10% of your wealth or which is your increase. You do not need to call it tithing because both tithing and offerings is GIVING... in that aspect we sometimes misunderstand the essence of tithing. God said we rob Him in both tithing and offering that is why we came under the devourer. But noticed...the HOLY SPIRIT POINTED IT OUT TO ME SPECIFICALLY IN MALACHI... that when God talked about the blessing, He never mentioned offering but simply said in Malachi 3:10 that... “Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven and pour out for you such a blessing.”
I asked the Holy Spirit that the name offering is missing when it come to the blessing but it was included as part of what we rob of God. The Holy Spirit said, well even though we rob God in our tithes and offerings... we only need not to give below one-tenth of all our wealth for God to open all the windows of heaven! Because of God's mercies, that is all that is needed for us to get all His full benefits. And now this is not just tithing as we know it but one-tenth of all we have... it is the quantity (and above) that is deemed sufficiently bountiful to unlock God's hand. So let me be frank with you... a non tither does not necessarily need to call what they give as TITHING, they only need to give quantitatively nothing less than 10% of their wealth to trigger the clause that they are giving BOUNTIFULLY. But let us judge this matter... if I am tithing and giving 10% of my net wealth, and someone else who is a non tither is giving out 5% net wealth and another non tither is giving out 33% net wealth, who would be more blessed? The 33% giver should be more blessed (not based on the amount) but on the percentage even if that person is poorer... with time, he would overtake the others because this law works but we do not know.
Maybe I am a funny man researching God giving methods, but I have tried giving 10% as tithing, and also my first fruit or January salary, which is 100% or the widow's mite. On another ocassion that I needed a break through to leave naija and come to Europe, I did the biggest sacrifices of GIVING in my entire life. It literary brought down the hand of God for me, He began to tell me exactly what to do to bless me, and everything came to pass exactly as He said it would, and that made me cried like a baby. The fact is that to consider one self a non tither is not a good idea if we want to call Abraham our father, whom the New Testament in Hebrew, said paid tithes of all to Melchizedek the priest. Tithing helps regiment and make what you do to be regular. Giving randomly can always often cause you to give less than 10% even when God is blessing you further, you may not recalculate your income to know. Shine your eyes, its a covenant that God wants us to use calculator to know exactly what is happening to our substance and to step up our giving because there is going to be rewards!
|Re: The Significance of Tithing and Firstfruits for Believers by OkCornel(m): 3:45pm On Jun 06|
Well spoken, this is a very good mindset.
Per the bolded, let's be clear on what God's definition of tithe is. God loves a cheerful giver, not one who gives under compulsion (as the law demands), but from the heart. Moreso, giving should not be done with a mindset or motive of what one should be expecting back from God...lest we reduce Him to a piggybank or an investment scheme.
Love remains the driving factor as to why we give. Take the words of Jesus for example in Matthew 25 v 31-46.
Another thing to note is the beautiful thing about giving unto the promotion of God's work...the blessings one gets from it can be likened to what Obededom enjoyed for taking care of the ark of the Lord...
But something remained constant between the financial system of then and today. I'm referring to money. God never requested for money as tithes then... how did this change over time? Definitely, certain people changed it to suit their monetary interests...
The land has not disappeared...neither has livestock or crops...Money existed back then, but God precisely requested for crops and livestocks from the farmers in the promised land...
If you do a further research, even agricultural produce outside the land of Israel was not taken as tithe. That shows you tithe was tied only to the livestocks and crops grown in the promised land.
Even laborers, craftsmen e.t.c. whose occupation was outside of farming and livestock rearing had their sweat measured through money...and other assets they've acquired. The question is...were these things (money and other assets outside of crops and livestock) titheable according to the Law?
In summary, giving out of a cheerful heart and not under any compulsion or any requirement from the Law wwhich Christ has already fulfilled should remain the standard...
Perhaps...you are taking freewill giving and tithing as the same thing...
Like I mentioned earlier... I'm not against you giving to help others or giving to promote God's work...
Cheers and Jah bless...
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