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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 9:03am On Jun 02, 2022
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What is the meaning of Rapture and what does the Bible teach?

I've told you:
MaxInDHouse:

It's not even written anywhere in the Bible! smiley

So if you believe it then you're supposed to explain how that word correlates with God's word! undecided
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 10:06am On Jun 02, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


I've told you:


So if you believe it then you're supposed to explain how that word correlates with God's word! undecided

You don't know what Rapture means and you are talking rubbish since. Let me cure your ignorant gullibility by force.

The rapture is the term referring to the catching up of believers to meet the Lord Jesus in the air. It is explained stated in the Bible in passages like the below.
1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:00am On Jun 02, 2022
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You don't know what Rapture means and you are talking rubbish since. Let me cure your ignorant gullibility by force.
The rapture is the term referring to the catching up of believers to meet the Lord Jesus in the air. It is explained stated in the Bible in passages like the below.
1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 

Well it should have rightly be RESURRECTION because what Paul is talking about there is the resurrection of the first fruit of God's Kingdom.
So if some RELIGION call it RAPTURE and others question the WORD used i don't see any reason why you should be offended since what you yourself quoted never mention that word, and mind you the word RAPTURE could mean several other things which has nothing to do with the Bible:

RAPTURE

[1]Extreme pleasure, happiness or excitement.


[2]In some forms of fundamentalist Protestant eschatology, the event when Jesus returns and gathers the souls of living believers. (Usually "the rapture."wink

[3]The act of kidnapping or abducting, especially the forceful carrying off of a woman.

[4]Rape; ravishment; sexual violation.

[5]The act of carrying, conveying, transporting or sweeping along by force of movement; the force of such movement; the fact of being carried along by such movement.

[6]A spasm; a fit; a syncope; delirium.

Oxford dictionary!
undecided

Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 11:59am On Jun 02, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Well it should have rightly be RESURRECTION because what Paul is talking about there is the resurrection of the first fruit of God's Kingdom.
So if some RELIGION call it RAPTURE and others question the WORD used i don't see any reason why you should be offended since what you yourself quoted never mention that word, and mind you the word RAPTURE could mean several other things which has nothing to do with the Bible:

RAPTURE

[1]Extreme pleasure, happiness or excitement.


[2]In some forms of fundamentalist Protestant eschatology, the event when Jesus returns and gathers the souls of living believers. (Usually "the rapture."wink

[3]The act of kidnapping or abducting, especially the forceful carrying off of a woman.

[4]Rape; ravishment; sexual violation.

[5]The act of carrying, conveying, transporting or sweeping along by force of movement; the force of such movement; the fact of being carried along by such movement.

[6]A spasm; a fit; a syncope; delirium.

Oxford dictionary!
undecided


Lol, people who are alive and remain are resurrected? Are you okay bayi? Get a proper dictionary not a roadside/stolen newspaper.

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by iramure(m): 12:36pm On Jun 02, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Actually, the answer to the particular question is clearly explained in the teachings of Jesus Christ. undecided
teaching of jesus christ was also a product of someone's theory
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Kobojunkie: 12:59pm On Jun 02, 2022
iramure:
teaching of jesus christ was also a product of someone's theory
Whose theory is that written in John 5 vs 19 - 29? undecided

Whose theory is that written in Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13? undecided

Whose theory is that written in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46?
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by iramure(m): 1:27pm On Jun 02, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Whose theory is that written in John 5 vs 19 - 29? undecided

Whose theory is that written in Matthew 25 vs 1 - 13? undecided

Whose theory is that written in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46?
as long as the bible was written by human, I care not about whose inspiration it was. The bible did not fall from anywhere. If the bible had been written in Nigeria, would your colonial masters have taken it as God's inspired?
So why should i permit inferiority rule over me to the point that I start to see anything from abroad as authentic while mine here as evil?
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by xproducer: 1:34pm On Jun 02, 2022
"We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord." - 2 Corinthians 5:8

"And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him." - Matthew 17:1-3
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Kobojunkie: 1:36pm On Jun 02, 2022
iramure:
as long as the bible was written by human, I care not about whose inspiration it was. The bible did not fall from anywhere. If the bible had been written in Nigeria, would your colonial masters have taken it as God's inspired?
So why should i permit inferiority rule over me to the point that I start to see anything from abroad as authentic while mine here as evil?
Abeg Waka pass me if you have nothing tangible to add to this ! undecided
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:38pm On Jun 02, 2022
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Lol, people who are alive and remain are resurrected? Are you okay bayi? Get a proper dictionary not a roadside/stolen newspaper.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, if this is what you mean then it's not even close to what God's word teaches!

According to God's word all those who are going to heaven must die first before they can be transformed they must taste death (the same cup) before joining Jesus in his kingdom {Matt 20:22} the corruptible body must die and be buried (sown) first! 1Corin 15:42

What Paul is saying there is that unlike the first set of born again Christians who slept in death {Matt 13:25} for centuries before Jesus' return those who are still alive will no longer remain in their graves as dead people rather they will be transformed instantly after their death and burial to join Jesus and their fellow born again Christians in heaven! 1Corin 15:50-54

Now i know why REAL Bible students disagree with the usage of that word "RAPTURE" undecided
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 1:49pm On Jun 02, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, if this is what you mean then it's not even close to what God's word teaches!

According to God's word all those who are going to heaven must die first before they can be transformed they must taste death (the same cup) before joining Jesus in his kingdom {Matt 20:22} the corruptible body must die and be buried (sown) first! 1Corin 15:42

What Paul is saying there is that unlike the first set of born again Christians who slept in death {Matt 13:25} for centuries before Jesus' return those who are still alive will no longer remain in their graves as dead people rather they will be transformed instantly after their death and burial to join Jesus and their fellow born again Christians in heaven! 1Corin 15:50-54

Now i know why REAL Bible students disagree with the usage of that word "RAPTURE" undecided


Which what God's Word teaches again, is it my word? i quoted Bible for you, you say it is not close to what God's word teaches. grin cheesy grin

1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 
This is the Rapture we talk about, whatever other words you call it. But don't confuse it with resurrection. The previous verse clearly says the dead will rise first, another passage confirm that we shall not all sleep/die.

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 1:58pm On Jun 02, 2022
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Which what God's Word teaches again, is it my word? i quoted Bible for you, you say it is not close to what God's word teaches. grin cheesy grin

1Th 4:17  Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. 
This is the Rapture we talk about, whatever other words you call it. But don't confuse it with resurrection. The previous verse clearly says the dead will rise first, another passage confirm that we shall not all sleep/die.

Jesus told his disciples who strongly desire to rule with him that they have to drink from the( same cup) with him {Matt 20:22} the cup Jesus drank was DEATH! Luke 22:42
There's no way any human can go to heaven with Christ without first dying and burial, that's the only way their corruptible body could be sown before germinating into the incorruptible! 1Corin 15:42
So the word RAPTURE doesn't fit in at all! cheesy
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by iramure(m): 2:39pm On Jun 02, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Abeg Waka pass me if you have nothing tangible to add to this ! undecided
just answer the question I asked here
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Kobojunkie: 2:50pm On Jun 02, 2022
iramure:
just answer the question I asked here
Like I said ....Abeg Waka pass me if you have nothing tangible to add to this ! undecided
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by oaroloye(m): 3:08pm On Jun 02, 2022
SHALOM!

IF ANYONE HERE DIED RIGHT NOW, WE WOULD NOT GO ANYWHERE.

Our Souls would be summarily destroyed.

When any creature is born, it is imprinted with a fresh copy of the Commands of The Creator to that creature, enabling it you do the things of its kind, by a manifestation of God, called a Mold.

. JOHN 1:1-14.

IN The Beginning was The Word,
and The Word was with God,
and The Word was God.
2. The same was in
The Beginning with God.
3. All things were made by Him;
and without Him
was not any thing made
that was made.
4. In Him was Life;
and The Life was The Light of Men.
5. And the light shineth in Darkness;
and The Darkness
comprehended it not.

6. There was a man sent from God,
whose name was John.
7. The same came for a witness,
to bear witness of The Light,
that all men through him
might believe.
8. He was not That Light,
but was sent
to bear witness of That Light.

9. That was The True Light,
Which lighteth every man
that cometh into the World.

10. He was in the World,
and the World was made by him,
and the World knew him not.
11. He came unto his own,
and his own received him not.
12. But as many as received him,
to them gave he Power
to become the Sons of God,
even to them
that believe on his Name:
13. Which were Born,
not of blood,
nor of the Will of the Flesh,
nor of the Will of Man,
but of God.
14. And the Word was made Flesh,
and dwelt among us,
[and we beheld his Glory,
the Glory as of
the only begotten of The Father,]
full of Grace and Truth.

AT THE SAME TIME, THESE CREATURES ARE CONNECTED TO A STREAM OF PACKETS OF LIVING FIRE, THAT IMPACT ON A POSITION OF THEIR SOUL BODY CHARACTERISTIC TO THAT SORT OF CREATURE. (That of Humans is about three finger-widths beneath the navel.)

. JOHN 7:37-39.

37. In the Last Day,
that Great Day of The Feast,
Jesus stood and Cried,
Saying,

"If any man thirst,
let him come unto me,
and drink.
38. "He that believeth on me,
as the Scripture hath said,

'OUT OF HIS BELLY
SHALL FLOW RIVERS
OF LIVING WATER.'


39. [But this Spake he of The Spirit,
Which they that believe on him
should receive:
for The Holy Ghost
was not yet given;
because that Jesus
was not yet glorified.]

SO LONG AS THIS ENERGY-OF-LIFE IS APPLIED ACCORDING TO THE INSTRUCTIONS OF THE CREATOR, THE SOUL BODY OF THE CREATURE REMAINS VIBRANT, FLEXIBLE, AND RESILIENT.

But if not, the Soul Body becomes lethargic, rigid, and brittle. Eventually, the impact of these balls or rings of fire crack the Soul Body open, and its contents gush out. That is immediate Death.

. LUKE 12:35-48.

34. "For where your Treasure is,
there will your heart be also.
35. "Let your loins be girded about,
and your lights burning;
36. "And ye yourselves like unto men
that wait for their lord,
when he will return from the wedding;
that when he cometh and knocketh,
they may open unto him immediately.
37. "Blessed are those servants,
whom the lord when he cometh
shall find watching:
verily I Say unto you,

'THAT HE SHALL GIRD HIMSELF,
AND MAKE THEM SIT DOWN TO MEAT,
AND WILL COME FORTH
AND SERVE THEM.'


38. "And if he shall come
in the Second Watch,
or come in the Third Watch,
and find them so,
blessed are those servants.
39. "And this know,

'THAT IF THE GOODMAN
OF THE HOUSE HAD KNOWN
WHAT HOUR
THE THIEF WOULD COME
HE WOULD HAVE WATCHED,
AND NOT SUFFERED
HIS HOUSE TO BE
BROKEN THROUGH.'


40. "Be ye therefore ready also:
for The Son of Man cometh
at an hour when ye think not."

41. Then Peter said unto him,

"Lord, Speakest thou
this Parable unto us,
or even to all?"

42. And the Lord Said,

"Who then is that faithful and wise steward,
whom his lord shall make ruler
over his household,
to give them their portion of meat
in due season?
43. "Blessed is that Servant,
whom his lord when he cometh
shall find so doing.
44. Of a Truth I Say unto you,

'THAT HE WILL MAKE HIM
RULER OVER ALL THAT HE HATH.'


45. "But and if that servant
say in his heart,

'MY LORD DELAYETH HIS COMING;'

and shall begin to beat
the menservants and maidens,
and to eat and drink,
and to be drunken;
46. "The lord of that servant
will come in a day
when he looketh not for him,
and at an hour when he is not aware,
and will cut him in sunder,
and will appoint him his portion
with the unbelievers.
47. "And that servant,
which knew his lord's will,
and prepared not himself,
neither did according to his will,
shall be beaten with many stripes.
48. "But he that knew not,
and did commit things
worthy of stripes,
shall be beaten with few stripes.
For unto whomsoever much is given,
of him shall be much required:
and to whom men
have committed much,
of him they will ask the more."

THE FEED LINE MANIFESTS AN ACCOUNTANT-ENTITY, THAT REQUIRES A COPY OF THE CREATURE'S WHOLE MEMORY LIFE LOG FROM BIRTH. If this data is not forthcoming in a speedy fashion, the Accountant-Entity intrusively cuts into the Soul Body, and extracts it by Brute Force, and departs.

The Soul Body so treated is fatally-compromised, and unable to deploy its AfterLife Body.

Spirit Being Scavengers attack the damaged Soul Body, and tear it to pieces, in the effort to harvest its last Life Energies- which they had been planning to do to it since it was born.

The secretive sect of Native Naguals (Shapeshifter Seers) who observed this process noted that it befalls most men, and all animals.

They determined that the few Humans who escaped did so, because they TOTALLY RECALLED their whole lives, without break, error, distortion. nor omission.

They discovered that anyone can do this, should they spend 20 minutes daily, REMEMBERING EVERYTHING THEY KNOW ABOUT EVERYONE THEY EVER MET IN THEIR WHOLE LIVES.

After maybe 20 hours, give-or-take, you no longer simply remember the Past- you relive It- as though It were happening again.

Mind-Blocking traumas can be relived repeatedly, until they are no longer traumatic. In under one year, one is able to RECAPITULATE one's entire life from Birth in 20 minutes.

That involves TOTAL RECALL at the rate of 1 YEAR/MINUTE- or faster.

If such a person as has done this dies, the Naguals observed that they are not molested by the Accountant-Entity, nor by the Scavengers, but the Soul Body retrieves all the Life Energy out of every cell, and uses It to manifest a SPIRIT ENERGY BODY, capable of housing Its MIND, Its MEMORY, and Its PERSONALITY.

This Entity then goes to HEAVEN, or to PARADISE, or to HELL, as Its Last Life has earned.

HEAVEN IS SEVEN UNIVERSES SENIOR TO THIS EARTH UNIVERSE: TO PERCEIVE, ACCESS, AND OTHERWISE EXPLOIT A HEAVENLY UNIVERSE, YOU MUST KNOW AND UNDERSTAND ITS LAWS.

Deathbed Confession (Extreme Unction,) no matter how profuse, will not get a Sinner into Heaven.

PARADISE is for the Righteous who lack HEAVENLY AWARENESS.

HELL is for the Unrighteous who have died with TOTAL RECALL. These have stupendous potential to cause a variety of harm. Therefore, they have to be incarcerated.

FIRE AND WATER are Spiritual Energy conduits and containments.

No Scripture says that Spirit Beings are BURNT in Hell.

[See: DIANETICS: The Modern Science of Mental Health, by L. Ron Hubbard (1950).
SELF ANALYSIS, by L. Ron Hubbard (1951).
THE EAGLE'S GIFT, by Carlos Castaneda (1981).
THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).
THE POWER OF SILENCE, by Carlos Castaneda (1987).
THE ACTIVE SIDE OF INFINITY, by Carlos Castaneda (1998)

THE SCAVENGER SPIRIT-BEINGS REMOVE THE DIVINE IMPRINT FROM HUMANS, AT BIRTH, AND REPLACE IT WITH AN IMPLANT OF THEIR OWN DEVISING.

This feeds us directives contraDisciplinebreCreator's Commands. Obeying them taints our Life Force, entitling them to siphon It away, until It reaches a minimum subsistent level of about 1%.

This also impairs our Consciousnesses, reducing It to less than 10%.

RECAPITULATION enables us to perceive the difference between our own thoughts, and those of the Implant.

RECAPITULATION enables us to recover our lost Consciousness to 100%, disabling all the Subconsciousness Triggers that sabotage Spiritual Development.

THE ENEMY IMPLANT sends ugly tap roots throughout our Soul Body, delineating Its influence and control.

Effective Spiritual Discipline breaks these roots off, until none remain.

The Implant feels threatened, and flees your Soul Body. Leaving behind a peaceful void in one's Mind, without Its insidious yammering.

THE SPIRIT ENERGY AFTERLIFE BODY- YOU DO NOT HAVE TO DIE TO CREATE IT.

You can create It by LUCID DREAMING.

(1) SETTING UP DREAMING:

Resolve that, when you go to sleep- whatever is going on in your dreams, YOU WILL LOOK AT YOUR HANDS.

If you are wise, you will finish your RECAPITULATION, before you try this.

NOTE THAT YOU DO NOT DO ANY OF THESE EXERCISES HALF-WAY!

You must FINISH, once you start.

If you accumulate Spiritual Energy beyond the 1% they allow us, YOU HAVE DECLARED WAR AGAINST THE SCAVENGERS.

If you TAINT your Life Force again, they may take your expanded Consciousness with It: THIS COULD TURN YOU INSANE, OR KILL YOU OUTRIGHT!

There are lots of people in MENTAL INSTITUTIONS, from messing around with this shit. This shit is very serious.

(2) SETTING UP PERCEPTION:

When you have found those your hands on DREAMING is THE FIRST TIME YOU HAD AN ACTUAL BODY IN YOUR DREAMS.

You will think otherwise, but that is incorrect. Those "bodies" were imaginary.

Do not try to look as you do in the Physical Realm. Scan around yourself, without allowing your your gaze to fix on anything.

(3) SETTING UP MOBILITY:

DO NOT TRY TO WALK, JUMP, RUN, etc. as you do, physically. Intend your changes in location. "Use The Force, Luke."

(4) CHANGING DREAMS:

WHEN YOU CAN PERCEIVE PROPERLY, AND MOVE PROPERLY, deliberately gaze at things or beings in your Dreams, to make them change.

This changes the Dream you are in, into another Dream.

Some things or beings you try to change will not be changed- because your Mind did not create them: they come from outside your Mind.

Do not interfere with them, at this stage of your development.

(5) DREAMING THE WORLD:

WHEN YOU HAVE CHANGED DREAMS NUMEROUS TIMES, you will one day have a Dream in which you see someone asleep in bed. Who turns out to be YOU.

VERIFY that this is indeed your bedroom.

CAUTION! ON NO ACCOUNT INTERFERE WITH YOUR SLEEPING BODY!

Turn away, and go get something useful done.

(6) EXPLORE THE PHYSICAL UNIVERSE WITH YOUR DREAMING BODY:

Send your Dreaming Body on Missions, and learn to interact with the Physical Universe.

Eventually, you will be able to use the DREAMING BODY while you are wide-awake, effectively being in two places at once.

You can make your DREAMING BODY visible and tangible, and interact with people, who will think it your normal body.

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda (1993).]

The Use of your DREAMING BODY will prove to you that Death of the Physical Body is meaningless.

If your Physical Body dies, or is killed, and you have been doing The Lord's Works:

. LUKE 4:15-21.

15. And he taught
in their Synagogues,
being glorified of all.
16. And he came to Nazareth,
where he had been brought up:
and, as his custom was,
he went into the Synagogue
on the Sabbath Day,
and stood up for to read.
17. And there was delivered unto him
The Book of the Prophet Esaias.
And when he had opened the Book,
he found the place
where it was written,

18. "THE SPIRIT
OF THE LORD
IS UPON ME,
BECAUSE HE HATH
ANOINTED ME
TO PREACH THE GOSPEL
TO THE POOR;
HE HATH SENT ME
TO HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED,
TO PREACH DELIVERANCE
TO THE CAPTIVES,
AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT
TO THE BLIND,
TO SET AT LIBERTY
THEM THAT ARE BRUISED,
19. "TO PREACH
THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR
OF THE LORD."


20. And he closed the Book,
and he gave it again to the minister,
and sat down.
And the eyes of all them
that were in the synagogue
were fastened on him.
21. And he began to Say
unto them,

"This Day is this Scripture
fulfilled in your ears."

. LUKE 7:19-23.

19. And John calling unto him
two of his Disciples
sent them to Jesus, saying,
"Art thou he that should come?
Or look we for another?"

20. When the men
were come unto him,
they said,
John Baptist hath
sent us unto thee,
saying,

'ART THOU
HE THAT SHOULD COME?
OR LOOK WE
FOR ANOTHER?'


21. And in that same hour
he cured many
of their Infirmities and Plagues,
and of Evil Spirits;
and unto many that were blind
he gave sight.
22. Then Jesus Answering
Said unto them,

"Go your way,
and tell John what things
ye have seen and heard;
how that the Blind See,
the Lame Walk,
the Lepers are Cleansed,
the Deaf Hear,
the Dead are Raised,
to the Poor The Gospel is preached.
23. "And Blessed is he,
whosoever shall not be
offended in me."

. JOHN 14:1-28.

"LET not your heart
be troubled:
ye believe in God,
believe also in me.
2. "In my Father's House
there are Mansions:
if it were not so,
I would have told you.
3. "And if I go
and prepare a place for you,
I will come again,
and receive you unto myself;
that where I am,
there ye may be also.
4. "And whither I go ye know,
and The Way ye know."

5. Thomas saith unto him,

"Lord, we know not
whither thou goest;
and how can we
know The Way?"

6. Jesus Saith unto him,

"I am The Way,
The Truth,
and The Life:
no man cometh
unto The Father,
but by me.
7. "If ye had known me,
ye should have known
my Father also:
and from henceforth
ye know Him,
and have seen Him."

8. Philip saith unto him,

"Lord, shew us the Father,
and it sufficeth us."

9. Jesus Saith unto him,

"Have I been
so long time with you,
and yet hast thou not
known me, Philip?
He that hath seen me
hath seen The Father;
and how sayest thou then,

'SHEW US THE FATHER?'

10. "Believest thou not
that I am in The Father,
and The Father in me?
The Words that I Speak
unto you I Speak not
of myself:
but The Father
that dwelleth in me,
He doeth the Works.
11. "Believe me that I am
in The Father,
and The Father in me:
or else believe me
for the very Works' sake.
12. "Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT BELIEVETH ON ME,
THE WORKS THAT I DO
SHALL HE DO ALSO;
AND GREATER WORKS
THAN THESE SHALL HE DO;
BECAUSE I GO
UNTO MY FATHER.'


13. "And whatsoever ye shall
ask in my Name,
that will I do,
that The Father may be
Glorified in The Son.
14. "If ye shall ask
any thing in my Name,
I will do it.
15. "If ye love me,
keep my Commandments.
16. "And I will pray The Father,
and He shall give you
another Comforter,
that He may abide with you
for ever;
17. "Even The Spirit of Truth;
Whom the World cannot receive,
because It seeth Him not,
neither knoweth Him:
but ye know Him;
for He dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
18. "I will not leave you comfortless:
I will come to you.
19. "Yet a little while,
and the World
seeth me no more;
but ye see me:
because I live,
ye shall live also.
20. "At that Day
ye shall know
that I am in my Father,
and ye in me,
and I in you.
21. "He that hath
my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself
unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus Answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I Spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father will send
in my Name,
He shall Teach you
all things,
and bring all things
to your Remembrance,
whatsoever I have Said
unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it be afraid.
28. "Ye have heard
how I Said unto you,

'I GO AWAY,
AND COME AGAIN
UNTO YOU.'


If ye loved me,
ye would rejoice,
because I Said,

'I GO UNTO THE FATHER:'

for my Father
is greater than I."

. JOHN 15:1-16.

"I AM The True Vine,
and my Father is The Husbandman.
2. "Every branch in me
that beareth not Fruit
He taketh away:
and every branch
that beareth Fruit,
He purgeth it,
that it may bring forth
more Fruit.
3. "Now ye are clean
through the Word
Which I have Spoken
unto you.
4. "Abide in me,
and I in you.
As the branch cannot
bear fruit of itself,
except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye,
except ye abide in me.
5. "I am the Vine,
ye are the Branches:

'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME
AND I IN HIM,
THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH
MUCH FRUIT:'


for without me
ye can do Nothing.
6. "If a man abide not in me,
he is cast forth as a branch,
and is withered;
and men gather them,
and cast them into the Fire,
and they are burned.
7. "If ye abide in me,
and my Words abide in you,
ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done unto you.
8. "Herein is
my Father Glorified,

'THAT YE BEAR
MUCH FRUIT.'


so shall ye be my Disciples.
9. "As The Father
hath Loved me,
so have I Loved you:
continue ye in my Love.
10. "If ye keep my Commandments,
ye shall abide in my Love;
even as I have kept
my Father's Commandments,
and abide in His Love.
11. "These things have I
Spoken unto you,
that my Joy
might remain in you,
and that your joy
might be full.
12. "This is my Commandment,

'THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER,
AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.'


13. "Greater love
hath no man than this,

'THAT A MAN
LAY DOWN HIS LIFE
FOR HIS FRIENDS.'


14. "Ye are my Friends,
if ye do whatsoever
I Command you.
15. "Henceforth I call you
not "Servants;"
for the servant knoweth not
what his lord doeth:
but I have called you "Friends;"
for all things that I have
heard of my Father
I have made known unto you.
16. "Ye have not chosen me,
but I have chosen you,
and ordained you,
that ye should go
and bring forth Fruit,
and that your Fruit
should remain:
that whatsoever ye shall ask
of The Father in my Name,
He may give it you."

TO REPAIR OR RECONSTRUCT YOUR PHYSICAL BODY FROM THE OUTSIDE SHOULD BE CHILD'S PLAY.

The Early Church never learned to do this, because they did not abide in the Words of Lord Yeshua.

That was because the Disciples withheld them, contrary to Lord Yeshua's Directive, so that no one would surpass them, as he had predicted would happen.

So that everyone died, because of "The Apostles' " envy, greed, and hatred.
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by iramure(m): 3:17pm On Jun 02, 2022
Kobojunkie:
Like I said ....Abeg Waka pass me if you have nothing tangible to add to this ! undecided
ok, since you can't answer my questions, let me leave you to continue believing in tales of the moonlight as narrated by your colonial slave merchants
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Kobojunkie: 3:32pm On Jun 02, 2022
iramure:
ok, since you can't answer my questions, let me leave you to continue believing in tales of the moonlight as narrated by your colonial slave merchants
Abeg waka pass me o'jare! undecided
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 3:36pm On Jun 02, 2022
iramure:
ok, since you can't answer my questions, let me leave you to continue believing in tales of the moonlight as narrated by your colonial slave merchants
If you're truly interested in finding answers to thought provoking questions regarding religion just ask Jehovah's Witnesses.
We will patiently address your questions! smiley
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 8:35pm On Jun 02, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Jesus told his disciples who strongly desire to rule with him that they have to drink from the( same cup) with him {Matt 20:22} the cup Jesus drank was DEATH! Luke 22:42
There's no way any human can go to heaven with Christ without first dying and burial, that's the only way their corruptible body could be sown before germinating into the incorruptible! 1Corin 15:42
So the word RAPTURE doesn't fit in at all! cheesy

Actually to set the record straight, all the disciples wanted to rule with Jesus and were promised so (Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:30). What those two were asking for was to be second in command, at His right and left hand. This has nothing to do with the believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Rapture is not just for two or twelve people.
Secondly, they were all going to die anyway (Hebrews 9:27). Physical death doesn't qualify anyone for Heaven or for rapture, otherwise everyone is going fa since that's the cup according to you.
This passage is clearly different from a passage which demarcates dead people from those who are alive and remain. It says we shall not all sleep/die.(1Corinth 15:51), you say they must all die and even be buried. Do you sincerely expect me to believe you above Paul?

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:52pm On Jun 02, 2022
Image123:


Actually to set the record straight, all the disciples wanted to rule with Jesus and were promised so (Matthew 19:28 and Luke 22:30). What those two were asking for was to be second in command, at His right and left hand. This has nothing to do with the believers being caught up to meet the Lord in the air. Rapture is not just for two or twelve people.
Secondly, they were all going to die anyway (Hebrews 9:27). Physical death doesn't qualify anyone for Heaven or for rapture, otherwise everyone is going fa since that's the cup according to you.
This passage is clearly different from a passage which demarcates dead people from those who are alive and remain. It says we shall not all sleep/die.(1Corinth 15:51), you say they must all die and even be buried. Do you sincerely expect me to believe you above Paul?

Jesus was talking to his disciples:
Some will go to heaven {Matt 5:3} others will inherit the earth! Matt 5:5

So you're free to go out there to PREACH and TEACH what you know! smiley
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 4:24am On Jun 03, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Jesus was talking to his disciples:
Some will go to heaven {Matt 5:3} others will inherit the earth! Matt 5:5

So you're free to go out there to PREACH and TEACH what you know! smiley

Instead of a Jwickedness member to humbly correct his errors and learn, he'd rather remain sickly indoctrinated and give me the freedom i have always had. embarassed
The Matthew 5 blessings/beatitudes are not mutually exclusive to persons, they are for every believer that meet the criteria. The poor in spirit can also be meek and merciful together, no demarcation. You can go to Heaven and inherit the earth. But those are not even what we were talking about. We were talking about being caught up in the cloud to meet the Lord in the air(not really Heaven or earth yet). It is what the Bible teaches, do learn not to say otherwise again.

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 5:19am On Jun 03, 2022
Image123:


Instead of a Jwickedness member to humbly correct his errors and learn, he'd rather remain sickly indoctrinated and give me the freedom i have always had. embarassed
The Matthew 5 blessings/beatitudes are not mutually exclusive to persons, they are for every believer that meet the criteria. The poor in spirit can also be meek and merciful together, no demarcation. You can go to Heaven and inherit the earth. But those are not even what we were talking about. We were talking about being caught up in the cloud to meet the Lord in the air (not really Heaven or earth yet). It is what the Bible teaches, do learn not to say otherwise again.

You wanted to correct something but failed to complete your study on what you're arrogantly arguing about.
Well the highlighted contradicts Paul's word:

"then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1Thess 4:17

Compare to
Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless. Reve 14:1-5

So humble yourself and let JWs TEACH you!

Those mentioned @ Matt 5:3 are surely going to HEAVEN to be WITH JESUS FOREVER they are the FIRST FRUIT of God's Kingdom!
The twelve apostles are the foundation stones {Reve 21:14} because after God planted the tree of salvation which is Christ {John 15:1} the Apostles became the branches {John 15:6} so nobody can gain entrance into God's Kingdom without passing through the teachings of the Apostles which they received from Christ! Act 2:42
The tree (Christ) produced it's first fruit and that is what amount to 144,000 co-rulers who will go and rule with him in heaven {Reve 20:5-6} all other faithful servants of God including later Christians are like the second fruit or (other sheep) {John 10:16} who will be on planet earth {Reve 14:6} unlike the first fruit Jesus promised to go and prepare accomodations for in heaven {John 14:1-3} those that will inherit the earth are going to build their own houses and live forever on planet earth! Isaiah 65:21-23

So when Jesus mentioned HEAVEN and EARTH @ Matt 5:3&5 God's Holy Spirit has revealed to us all the sacred secrets in each of his statement.
Ọmọ humble yourself and learn from JWs they know far far better than your pastors, and if you're also one of the Pastors in Christendom i pity you because you're heading towards destruction as you're always kicking against Jesus' brothers who are gathering the other sheep {John 10:16} the earthly subjects of God's Kingdom! smiley

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Dtruthspeaker: 7:12am On Jun 03, 2022
SPTruth:
i don't understand what you mean by re-live, they were only on transit to paradise, they didn't come back to live on earth.

C'mon the bible said they rose up here, on earth and moved about here, on earth that even their neighbours and families saw them.

But they did not ascend into heaven like Jesus nor were they taken away like Elijah. Therefore the only way the left the earth is that they died a second time.
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 9:12am On Jun 03, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


You wanted to correct something but failed to complete your study on what you're arrogantly arguing about.
Well the highlighted contradicts Paul's word:

"then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord. 1Thess 4:17

Compare to
Then I looked, and lo, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him a hundred and forty-four thousand who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads. And I heard a voice from heaven like the sound of many waters and like the sound of loud thunder; the voice I heard was like the sound of harpers playing on their harps, and they sing a new song before the throne and before the four living creatures and before the elders. No one could learn that song except the hundred and forty-four thousand who had been redeemed from the earth. It is these who have not defiled themselves with women, for they are chaste; it is these who follow the Lamb wherever he goes; these have been redeemed from mankind as first fruits for God and the Lamb, and in their mouth no lie was found, for they are spotless. Reve 14:1-5

So humble yourself and let JWs TEACH you!

Those mentioned @ Matt 5:3 are surely going to HEAVEN to be WITH JESUS FOREVER they are the FIRST FRUIT of God's Kingdom!
The twelve apostles are the foundation stones {Reve 21:14} because after God planted the tree of salvation which is Christ {John 15:1} the Apostles became the branches {John 15:6} so nobody can gain entrance into God's Kingdom without passing through the teachings of the Apostles which they received from Christ! Act 2:42
The tree (Christ) produced it's first fruit and that is what amount to 144,000 co-rulers who will go and rule with him in heaven {Reve 20:5-6} all other faithful servants of God including later Christians are like the second fruit or (other sheep) {John 10:16} who will be on planet earth {Reve 14:6} unlike the first fruit Jesus promised to go and prepare accomodations for in heaven {John 14:1-3} those that will inherit the earth are going to build their own houses and live forever on planet earth! Isaiah 65:21-23

So when Jesus mentioned HEAVEN and EARTH @ Matt 5:3&5 God's Holy Spirit has revealed to us all the sacred secrets in each of his statement.
Ọmọ humble yourself and learn from JWs they know far far better than your pastors, and if you're also one of the Pastors in Christendom i pity you because you're heading towards destruction as you're always kicking against Jesus' brothers who are gathering the other sheep {John 10:16} the earthly subjects of God's Kingdom! smiley




You have said nothing except the usual indoctrinated copy and paste jargon.
Clearly, the Rapture, which is the catching up of believers to meet the Lord in the air is taught in the Bible. That's the simple sentence you're trying to write a book for. We don't fall for bamboozling, we stand with facts. Your handlers fail to learn that the Lamb will go to Heaven and Earth. He's not limited or restricted to Heaven or to Earth. By implications, those who follow Him follow Him both to Heaven and Earth. Get your brain working and stop reading these junk from the sad hall.

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by johnw47: 9:25am On Jun 03, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm, if this is what you mean then it's not even close to what God's word teaches!

says false teacher lost false jw mad max:

2Pe_2:1  But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

MaxInDHouse:
According to God's word all those who are going to heaven must die first before they can be transformed they must taste death (the same cup) before joining Jesus in his kingdom {Matt 20:22} the corruptible body must die and be buried (sown) first! 1Corin 15:42

matthew 20:22 is not about must die first to join Jesus in his Kingdom
matthew 20:22 is about having to go through similar to what Jesus went through, to have the high position of sitting either side of him in His Kingdom:

Mat 20:21  .... She saith unto him, Grant that these my two sons may sit, the one on thy right hand, and the other on the left, in thy kingdom.
Mat 20:22  But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

and
1 cor 15:42 is not about about those alive at Jesus return dying before being caught up to the Lord
1 cor 15:42 is about corrupt bodies of the dead being raised incorrupt:

1Co 15:42  So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption

MaxInDHouse:
What Paul is saying there is that unlike the first set of born again Christians who slept in death {Matt 13:25} for centuries before Jesus' return those who are still alive will no longer remain in their graves as dead people rather they will be transformed instantly after their death and burial to join Jesus and their fellow born again Christians in heaven! 1Corin 15:50-54

you false jw's sure love to do the twist on God's word


the dead shall be raised incorruptable, and those alive shall be changed:

1Co 15:52  In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

take a look at the verse before that one, "we shall not all sleep/die":

1Co 15:51  Behold, I shew you a mystery; "We shall not all sleep", but we shall all be changed

MaxInDHouse:
Now i know why REAL Bible students disagree with the usage of that word "RAPTURE" undecided

you false jw's are certainly not real bible students, are you



1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 10:12am On Jun 03, 2022
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You have said nothing except the usual indoctrinated copy and paste jargon.
Clearly, the Rapture, which is the catching up of believers to meet the Lord in the air is taught in the Bible. That's the simple sentence you're trying to write a book for. We don't fall for bamboozling, we stand with facts. Your handlers fail to learn that the Lamb will go to Heaven and Earth. He's not limited or restricted to Heaven or to Earth. By implications, those who follow Him follow Him both to Heaven and Earth. Get your brain working and stop reading these junk from the sad hall.

Ọmọ humble yourself and learn from JWs! cheesy

Jesus did said:
And Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

Do you think such persons whom Jesus said are "like angels" will ever get married again? smiley
Well they're going straight to heaven and never to return to this planet because they will become like angels with no gender unlike their earthly subjects who will live in the flesh, get married and have children! Isaiah 65:21-23

I'm not disputing the fact that some Christians are going to heaven but know that those going there will never return that's why the Bible said death can't reach them again because they've become immortal! Reve 20:6

So ọmọ stop being stupid humble yourself and learn the truth from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! smiley

Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by oaroloye(m): 2:33pm On Jun 03, 2022
MISHIGAS!

. MATTHEW 15:1-20.

THEN came to Jesus
scribes and Pharisees,
which were of Jerusalem,
saying,

2. "Why do thy Disciples
transgress the Tradition
of the Elders?
For they wash not
their hands when
they eat bread."

3. But he Answered
and Said unto them,

"Why do ye also transgress
The Commandment of God
by your Tradition?
4. "For God Commanded,
Saying,

'HONOUR THY FATHER
AND MOTHER:
AND, HE THAT CURSETH
FATHER OR MOTHER
LET HIM DIE THE DEATH.'


5. "But ye say,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
TO HIS FATHER OR MOTHER,


"IT IS A GIFT,
BY WHATSOEVER
THOU MIGHTEST BE
PROFITED BY ME;"


6. 'AND HONOUR NOT
HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER,
HE SHALL BE FREE.'


Thus have ye made
The Commandment of God
of none effect
by your Tradition.
7. "Ye Hypocrites,
well did Esaias
Prophesy of you,
saying,

8. 'THIS PEOPLE
DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME
WITH THEIR MOUTH,
AND HONOURETH ME
WITH THEIR LIPS;
BUT THEIR HEART
IS FAR FROM ME.
9. 'BUT IN VAIN
THEY DO WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES
THE COMMANDMENTS
OF MEN.' "


10. And he called the multitude,
and Said unto them,

"Hear, and understand:
11. "Not that which goeth
into the mouth defileth a man;
but that which cometh
out of the mouth,
this defileth a man."

12. Then came his Disciples,
and Said unto him,

"Knowest thou that
the Pharisees were offended,
after they heard this Saying?"

13. But he Answered and Said,

"Every plant,
which my Heavenly Father
hath not Planted,
shall be rooted up.
14. "Let them alone:
they be blind leaders
of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind,
both shall fall into the ditch."

15. Then answered Peter
and said unto him,

"Declare unto us this Parable."

16. And Jesus Said,

"Are ye also yet
without understanding?
17. "Do not ye yet understand,
that whatsoever entereth in
at the mouth
goeth into the belly,
and is cast out
into the draught?
18. "But those things
which proceed
out of the mouth
come forth from the heart;
and they defile the man.
19. "For out of the heart
proceed Evil Thoughts,
Murders, Adulteries,
Fornications, Thefts,
False Witness, Blasphemies:
20. These are the things
which defile a man:
but to eat with
unwashen hands
defileth not a man."

LESSON (1) JUST BECAUSE YOU WORSHIP THE ONE TRUE GOD, THAT DOES NOT MEAN THAT YOU WORSHIP HIM THE ONE CORRECT WAY!

Whilst each of the types of Churches is saying that they are as good as their friends, and better than their enemies, LORD YESHUA is Saying: "I DON'T KNOW YOU!"

MaxInDHouse:

Jesus told his disciples who strongly desire to rule with him that they have to drink from the( same cup) with him {Matt 20:22} the cup Jesus drank was DEATH! Luke 22:42

WRONG! THE CUP LORD YESHUA DRANK WAS EXPERIENCE!

. 2nd SAMUEL 23:14-17.

14. And David was then in an hold,
and the garrison of the Philistines
was then in Bethlehem.
15. And David longed,
and said,

"Oh that one would give me
drink of the water
of the Well of Bethlehem,
which is by the gate!"

16. And the three mighty men
brake through the Host
of the Philistines,
and drew water
out of the Well of Bethlehem,
that was by the gate,
and took it, and brought it to David:
nevertheless he would not drink thereof,
but poured it out unto The LORD.
17. And he said,

"Be it far from me, O LORD,
that I should do this:
is not this the blood of the men
that went in jeopardy of their lives?"

Therefore he would not drink it.
These things did
these three mighty men.

. JEREMIAH 51:7.

7. Babylon hath been
a Golden Cup in The LORD'S Hand,
that made all the Earth drunken:
the nations have drunken
of her wine;
therefore the nations are mad.

. PSALMS 75:8.

8. For in The Hand of The LORD
(there is) a Cup,
and the wine is red;
it is full of mixture;
and he poureth out of the same:
but the dregs thereof,
all the Wicked of the Earth
shall wring (them) out,
(and) drink (them).

. JEREMIAH 25:27-28.

27. Therefore thou shalt
say unto them,

"Thus Saith The LORD of Hosts,
The God of Israel;

'DRINK YE,
AND BE DRUNKEN,
AND SPUE,
AND FALL,
AND RISE NO MORE,
BECAUSE OF THE SWORD
WHICH I WILL SEND
AMONG YOU.'


28. "And it shall be,
if they refuse to take the Cup
at thine hand to drink,
then shalt thou say
unto them,

'THUS SAITH
THE LORD OF HOSTS;

"YE SHALL
CERTAINLY DRINK." ' "


The Disciples all Drank Lord FROM Yeshua's Cup, but they did not go through the same experience with him:

. JOHN 10:1-39.

"VERILY, verily,
I Say unto you,

'HE THAT ENTERETH
NOT BY THE DOOR
INTO THE SHEEPFOLD
BUT CLIMBETH UP
SOME OTHER WAY,
THE SAME IS A THIEF
AND A ROBBER.'


2. "But he that entereth in by the Door.
is the shepherd of the sheep.
3. "To him the porter openeth;
and the sheep hear his Voice:
and he calleth his own sheep
by name,
and leadeth them out.
4. "And when he putteth forth
his own sheep,
he goeth before them,
and the sheep follow him:
for they know his voice.
5. "And a stranger
will they not follow,
but will flee from him:
for they know not
the Voice of Strangers."

6. This Parable Spake Jesus
unto them:
but they understood not
what things they were
which he Spake unto them.

7. Then Said Jesus
unto them again,

"Verily, verily,
I Say unto you,

'I AM THE DOOR
OF THE SHEEP.


8. "All that ever came before me
are Thieves and Robbers:
but the sheep did not hear them.
9. "I am The Door:
by me if any man enter in,
he shall be Saved,
and shall go in and out,
and find pasture.
10. "The Thief cometh not,
but for to steal,
and to kill,
and to destroy:
I am come
that they might have Life,
and that they might
have It more abundantly.
11. "I am The Good Shepherd:
The Good Shepherd giveth his life
for the sheep.
12. "But he that is an Hireling,
and not The Shepherd,
whose own The Sheep are not,
seeth The Wolf coming,
and leaveth The Sheep,
and fleeth:
and The Wolf catcheth them,
and scattereth The Sheep.
13. "The Hireling fleeth,
because he is an Hireling,
and careth not for The Sheep.
14. "I am the Good Shepherd,
and know my Sheep,
and am known of mine.
15. "As the Father knoweth me,
even so know I The Father:
and I lay down my life for The Sheep.
16. "And other Sheep I have,
which are not of This Fold:
them also I must bring,
and they shall hear my Voice;
and there shall be One Fold,
and One Shepherd.
17. "Therefore doth my Father love me,
because I lay down my life,
that I might take it again.
18. "No man taketh it from me,
but I lay it down of myself.
I have Power to lay it down,
and I have Power to take it again.
This Commandment
have I received of my Father."

19. There was a division therefore
again among the Jews
for these Sayings.
20. And many of them said,

"He hath a Devil,
and is Mad;
why hear ye him?"

21. Others said,

"These are not the Words
of him that hath a Devil.
Can a Devil open
the eyes of the Blind?"

22. And it was at Jerusalem
The Feast of The Dedication,
and it was winter.
23. And Jesus walked
in the Temple in Solomon's Porch.
24. Then came the Jews
round about him,
and said unto him,

"How long dost thou
make us to doubt?
If thou be The Christ,
tell us plainly."

25. Jesus Answered them,

"I Told you,
and ye believed not:
the Works that I do
in my Father's Name,
they bear witness of me.
26. "But ye believe not,
because ye are not of my sheep,
as I said unto you.
27. "My sheep hear my Voice,
and I know them,
and they follow me:
28. "And I give unto them
Eternal Life;
and they shall never perish,
neither shall any man
pluck them out of my hand.
29. "My Father,
Which gave them me,
is greater than all;
and no man is able to pluck them
out of my Father's Hand.
30. "I and my Father are one."

31. Then the Jews
took up stones again
to stone him.
32. Jesus Answered them,

"Many Good Works
have I shewed you
from my Father;
for which of those Works
do ye stone me?"

33. The Jews answered him,
saying,

"For a Good Work
we stone thee not;
but for Blasphemy;
and because that thou,
being a Man,
makest thyself God."

34. Jesus Answered them,
"Is it not written in thy Law,

'I SAID,
"YE ARE GODS?" '


35. "If He called then gods,
unto whom The Word of God came,
and The Scripture cannot be broken;
36. "Say ye of him,
whom The Father
hath Sanctified,
and sent into the World,

'THOU BLASPHEMEST;'

because I Said,

'I AM THE SON OF GOD?'

37. "If I do not
The Works of my Father,
believe me not.
38. "But if I do,
though ye believe not me,
believe the Works:
that ye may know
and believe,
that The Father (is) in me,
and I in Him."

39. Therefore
they sought again
to take him:
but he escaped
out of their hand.

. JOHN 15:1-16.

"I AM The True Vine,
and my Father is The Husbandman.
2. "Every branch in me
that beareth not Fruit
He taketh away:
and every branch
that beareth Fruit,
He purgeth it,
that it may bring forth
more Fruit.
3. "Now ye are clean
through the Word
Which I have Spoken
unto you.
4. "Abide in me,
and I in you.
As the branch cannot
bear fruit of itself,
except it abide in the vine;
no more can ye,
except ye abide in me.
5. "I am the Vine,
ye are the Branches:

'HE THAT ABIDETH IN ME
AND I IN HIM,
THE SAME BRINGETH FORTH
MUCH FRUIT:'


for without me
ye can do Nothing.
6. "If a man abide not in me,
he is cast forth as a branch,
and is withered;
and men gather them,
and cast them into the Fire,
and they are burned.
7. "If ye abide in me,
and my Words abide in you,
ye shall ask what ye will,
and it shall be done unto you.
8. "Herein is
my Father Glorified,

'THAT YE BEAR
MUCH FRUIT.'


so shall ye be my Disciples.
9. "As The Father
hath Loved me,
so have I Loved you:
continue ye in my Love.
10. "If ye keep my Commandments,
ye shall abide in my Love;
even as I have kept
my Father's Commandments,
and abide in His Love.
11. "These things have I
Spoken unto you,
that my Joy
might remain in you,
and that your joy
might be full.
12. "This is my Commandment,

'THAT YE LOVE ONE ANOTHER,
AS I HAVE LOVED YOU.'


13. "Greater love
hath no man than this,

'THAT A MAN
LAY DOWN HIS LIFE
FOR HIS FRIENDS.'


14. "Ye are my Friends,
if ye do whatsoever
I Command you.
15. "Henceforth I call you
not "Servants;"
for the servant knoweth not
what his lord doeth:
but I have called you "Friends;"
for all things that I have
heard of my Father
I have made known unto you.
16. "Ye have not chosen me,
but I have chosen you,
and ordained you,
that ye should go
and bring forth Fruit,
and that your Fruit
should remain:
that whatsoever ye shall ask
of The Father in my Name,
He may give it you."

. JOHN 18:11.

11. Then Said Jesus unto Peter,

"Put up thy sword
into the sheath:
the Cup which my Father
hath given me,
shall I not drink it?"

THE DISCIPLES DID NOT RISE FROM THE DEAD, BECAUSE THEY DID NOT DRAIN THE WHOLE "CUP."

MaxInDHouse:

There's no way any human can go to heaven with Christ without first dying and burial,

MaxInDHouse IS A SLAVE TO THE AMERICA IMPERIALIST HYPOCRITES CALLED JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES,TM AND CAN ONLY REGURGITATE THE LIES THEY TAUGHT HIM TO USE TO DECEIVE HIS FELLOW AFRICANS.

. GENESIS 5:22-24.

22. And Enoch walked with God
after he begat Methuselah
three hundred years,
and begat sons and daughters:
23. And all the days of Enoch
were three hundred sixty
and five years:
24. And Enoch walked with God:
and he was not;
for God took him.

FOOLS DOUBT THAT PEOPLE COULD LIVE AS LONG AS THE BIBLE SAID- JUST BECAUSE THEY DO NOT LIVE AS LONG TODAY.

My paternal grandfather died at 144 years, another ancestor died over 200, another over 300, another, maybe six generations ago, was over 600.

The dunces dismiss these stories out-of-hand. Those who are intelligent first ask- politely: "HOW WAS THAT POSSIBLE?"

To which I have to honestly reply: "I DON'T KNOW!" My family gave me the Left Foot of Fellowship, when I became a Real Christian. I was never privy to those Family Secrets.

Therefore I did not own research.

First of all I had to discover the cause of ageing. This is textbook Advanced Biology Knowledge.

Every cell of the body is in a state of continuous division, so that every Cell duplicates Itself every seven years.

The mechanism that duplicates each cell can only do so seven times, before it starts destroying the cell, every time it works, so that the reproductions get worse and worse.

If you want to be Immortal, you have to stop the cell division- which will lead to new problems. Reverse the damage- which is not scientifically possible at this time, or prevent the damage from ever occurring in the first place- which is feasible, at the cutting edge of research, right now.

OR, YOU COULD JUST ASK GOD TO FIX IT FOR YOU.

The point is that ENOCH went to Heaven without dying.

. HEBREWS 11:5.

5. By Faith Enoch was Translated
that he should not see Death;
and was not found,
because God had Translated him:
for before his Translation
he had this Testimony,

"THAT HE PLEASED GOD."

I HAVE ENDEAVORED TO TEACH YOU IDIOTS TRANSLATION FOR THE PAST SEVEN YEARS.

NAIJASTANDARD71:

Where are we going in this world? How will you describe this Pastor or Prophet?

The Religion of The Bible can be summarized as follows:
I
. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.


. DEUTERONOMY 16:16-17.[/b

16. Three times in a year
shall all thy males
appear before The LORD thy God
in the Place which He shall choose;
in The Feast of Unleavened Bread,
and in The Feast of Weeks,
and in The Feast of Tabernacles:
and they shall not
appear before The LORD empty:
17. Every man (shall give)
as he is able,
according to the Blessing
of The LORD thy God
which He hath given thee.

[b]THE WORSHIPPERS OF GOD ARE EXPECTED TO APPEAR BEFORE GOD AS MANY AS THREE TIMES A YEAR- IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE A ROUTINE THING.


Whereas, when one or two people in a generation report being caught up to Heaven, this is received with skeptism and envy.

. MATTHEW 25:1-13.

"THEN shall The Kingdom of Heaven
be likened unto ten Virgins,
which took their lamps,
and went forth
to meet the Bridegroom.
2. "And five of them
were Wise,
and five were Foolish.
3. "They that were Foolish
took their lamps,
and took no oil with them:
4. "But the Wise took oil
in their vessels
with their lamps.
5. "While the Bridegroom tarried,
they all slumbered
and slept.
6. "And at midnight
there was a cry made,

BEHOLD, THE BRIDEGROOM COMETH;
GO YE OUT TO MEET HIM.'


7. "Then all those Virgins arose,
and trimmed their lamps.
8. "And the Foolish said
unto the Wise,

'GIVE US OF YOUR OIL;
FOR OUR LAMPS
ARE GONE OUT.'


9. "But the Wise answered,
saying,

'NOT SO;
LEST THERE BE NOT ENOUGH
FOR US AND YOU:
BUT GO YE RATHER
TO THEM THAT SELL,
AND BUY FOR YOURSELVES.'


10. "And while they went to buy, the Bridegroom came;
and they that were ready
went in with him
to the Marriage:
and the door was shut.
11. "Afterward came also
the other Virgins,
saying,

'LORD, LORD, OPEN TO US.'

12. "But he answered and said,

'Verily I say unto you,

[b]"I KNOW YOU NOT." '


13. "Watch therefore,
for ye know neither
the Day nor the Hour wherein
The Son of Man cometh."

SPIRITUAL ENERGY IS ACCUMULATED BY KEEPING GOD'S COMMANDMENTS WITHOUT SINNING FOR PROLONGED PERIODS OF TIME, BY A SPECIFIC PERIOD OF TIME ONE WILL ENOUGH POWER TO TRAVEL TO HEAVEN.

MARRIETTA DAVIS travelled to Heaven while in a vegetative comatose state.

ROLAND S. BUCK travelled to Heaven while sitting at his desk, unaware that he was not in his Physical Body until he was about to re-enter it.

KENNETH E. HAGIN heard the Voice of "Jesus," while in a Prayer Meeting, calling whoever heard to accompany him to Heaven.

Only Kenneth Hagin responded to The Call- it has always been assumed that he was the only one who heard it- that may not be the case.

The inference is that the Lord visits his Church on Earth to take Christians to Heaven, but only a very few, even only single people, out of thousands of Churches, have ever proved worthy.

. PSALMS 110:3.

3. Thy people (shall be)
willing in The Day of Thy Power,
in the Beauties of Holiness
from the Womb of the Morning:
thou hast the Dew of thy Youth.

IF CHRISTIANS ARE NOT WILLING TO BE TRANSLATED, THEY JUST NEED TO CONTINUE IN THEIR CURRENT SINFULNESS.

.    MATTHEW 22:1-14.

AND Jesus Answered
and Spake unto them again
by Parables,
and Said,

2. "The Kingdom of Heaven
is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage
for his son,
3. "And sent forth his servants
to call them that were bidden
to the wedding:
and they would not come.
4. "Again, he sent forth
other servants,
saying,

'TELL THEM
WHICH ARE BIDDEN,


"BEHOLD,
I HAVE PREPARED MY DINNER:
MY OXEN AND MY FATLINGS
ARE KILLED,
AND ALL THINGS ARE READY:
COME UNTO THE MARRIAGE." '


5. "But they made light of it,
and went their ways,
one to his farm,
another to his merchandise:
6. "And the remnant
took his servants,
and entreated them spitefully,
and slew them.
7. "But when the king heard thereof,
he was wroth:
and he sent forth his armies,
and destroyed those murderers,
and burned up their city.
8. Then saith he to his servants,

'THE WEDDING IS READY,
BUT THEY WHICH WERE BIDDEN
WERE NOT WORTHY.
9. 'GO YE THEREFORE
INTO THE HIGHWAYS,
AND AS MANY
AS YE SHALL FIND,
BID TO THE MARRIAGE.'


10. "So those servants
went out
into the highways,
and gathered together all
as many as they found,
both bad and good:
and the wedding
was furnished with guests.
11. "And when the king
came in
to see the guests,
he saw there a man
which had not on
a wedding garment:
12. "And he saith unto him,

'FRIEND,
HOW CAMEST THOU
IN HITHER NOT HAVING
A WEDDING GARMENT?'


And he was speechless.
13. "Then said the king
to the servants,

'BIND HIM
HAND AND FOOT,
AND CAST HIM
INTO OUTER DARKNESS,
THERE SHALL BE WEEPING
AND GNASHING OF TEETH.
14. 'FOR MANY ARE CALLED
BUT FEW (ARE) CHOSEN.'


When God has sent Messengers like me, to invite them to Heaven, Christians have usually treated us with disrespect.
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 8:10pm On Jun 03, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ humble yourself and learn from JWs! cheesy

Jesus did said:
And Jesus said unto them, The sons of this world marry, and are given in marriage but they that are accounted worthy to attain to that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage for neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:34-36

Do you think such persons whom Jesus said are "like angels" will ever get married again? smiley
Well they're going straight to heaven and never to return to this planet because they will become like angels with no gender unlike their earthly subjects who will live in the flesh, get married and have children! Isaiah 65:21-23

I'm not disputing the fact that some Christians are going to heaven but know that those going there will never return that's why the Bible said death can't reach them again because they've become immortal! Reve 20:6

So ọmọ stop being stupid humble yourself and learn the truth from JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES! smiley

Learn what? Have you now learned the clear fact on the teaching of believers being caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air?
No need jumping up and down like a toad without learning anything. Sit and learn, one step at a time. We are talking rapture, you'd rather talk about a million things and know nothing at the end of the day. i am not mesmerized by such folly and indiscipline. No one talked about marriage except you. Getting married or not getting married has nothing to do with going to Heaven or Earth. Jesus Christ and many Eunuchs did not marry any woman on Earth, and should He return, i don't think He has to marry to be granted entrance to Earth. Stop making things up or copying and pasting junk as usual. Again what has coming to Earth have to do with the power of death? Stop making up stupidity by the hour, the Bible does not teach that people will not come to Earth again to escape death.

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by oaroloye(m): 8:39pm On Jun 03, 2022
Those who have saved up their Energy will be able to answer Lord Yeshua's Call and give to Heaven- as many as three times a year.

. 2nd KINGS 2:7-18.

7. And fifty men of
the Sons of the Prophets went,
and stood to view afar off:
and they two stood by Jordan.
8. And Elijah took his mantle,
and wrapped it together,
and smote the waters,
and they were divided
hither and thither,
so that they two went over
on dry ground.
9. And it came to pass,
when they were gone over,
that Elijah said unto Elisha,

"Ask what I shall do for thee,
before I be taken away from thee."

And Elisha said,

"I pray thee,
let a double portion
of thy spirit be upon me."

10. And he said,

"Thou hast asked a hard thing: nevertheless,
if thou see me
when I am taken from thee,
it shall be so unto thee;
but if not,
it shall not be so."

11. And it came to pass,
as they still went on,
and talked, that,
behold, there appeared
a Chariot of Fire,
and Horses of Fire,
and parted them both asunder;
and Elijah went up
by a Whirlwind into Heaven.
12. And Elisha saw it,
and he cried,

"My father, my father,
the Chariot of Israel,
and the Horsemen thereof."

And he saw him no more:
and he took hold
of his own clothes,
and rent them in two pieces.
13. He took up also
the Mantle of Elijah
that fell from him,
and went back,
and stood by the bank of Jordan;
14. And he took
the Mantle of Elijah
that fell from him,
and smote the waters,
and said,

"Where is
The LORD God of Elijah?"

And when he also
had smitten the waters,
they parted hither and thither:
and Elisha went over.
15. And when
the Sons of the Prophets
which were to view at Jericho
saw him,
they said,

"The spirit of Elijah
doth rest on Elisha."

And they came to meet him,
and bowed themselves
to the ground before him.
16. And they said unto him,

"Behold now,
there be with thy servants
fifty strong men;
let them go,
we pray thee,
and seek thy master:
lest peradventure
The Spirit of the LORD
hath taken him up,
and cast him upon
some mountain,
or into some valley."

And he said,

"Ye shall not send."

17. And when they urged him
till he was ashamed,
he said,

"Send."

They sent therefore fifty men;
and they sought three days,
but found him not.
18. And when they came
again to him,
[for he tarried at Jericho,]
he said unto them,

"Did I not say unto you,

'GO NOT?' "

Eliyah went up to Heaven without dying- TRANSLATION- whereas ELISHA gazed into THE THIRD ATTENTION, and immediately attained EVERLASTING LIFE.

. LUKE 5:36-39.

36. And he Spake also
a Parable unto them;

"No man putteth
a piece of a new garment
upon an old;
if otherwise,
then both the new
maketh a rent,
and the piece that was
taken out of the new
agreeth not with the old.
37. "And no man putteth
new wine into old bottles;
else the new wine
will burst the bottles,
and be spilled,
and the bottles shall perish.
38. "But new wine
must be put into new bottles;
and both are preserved.
39. "No man also
having drunk old wine
straightway desireth new:
for he saith,

'THE OLD IS BETTER.' "

Elisha died because he was not a WORTHY RECIPIENT of EVERLASTING LIFE: he continued trying to live like an OLD TESTAMENT PROPHET.

. DEUTERONOMY 25:11-19.

11. When men strive together
one with another,
and the wife of the one
draweth near
for to deliver her husband
out of the hand of him
that smiteth him,
and putteth forth her hand,
and taketh him by the secrets:
12. Then thou shalt
cut off her hand,
thine eye shall not pity her.

13. Thou shalt not
have in thy bag
divers weights,
a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not
have in thine house
divers measures,
a great and a small.
15. But thou shalt have
a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure
shalt thou have:
that thy days may be lengthened
in the Land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
and all that do unrighteously,
are an abomination
unto the LORD thy God.

17. Remember what Amalek
did unto thee by the way,
when ye were come forth
out of Egypt;
18. How he met thee
by the way,
and smote
the hindmost of thee,
even all that were feeble
behind thee,
when thou wast
faint and weary;
and he feared not God.
19. Therefore it shall be,
when the LORD thy God
hath given thee rest
from all thine enemies
round about,
in the Land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee
for an inheritance
to possess it,
that thou shalt blot out
the Remembrance of Amalek
from under Heaven;
thou shalt not forget it.

ELISHA DID NOTHING WRONG IN CURSING THE BRATS OF BETHEL- HE JUST DID NOT CONSIDER THE CONSEQUENCES OF EXECUTING THE LAW.

. LEVITICUS 19:32-37.

32. Thou shalt rise up
before the hoary head,
and honour the face
of the old man,
and fear thy God:
I (am) The LORD.
33. "And if a stranger
sojourn with thee in your land,
ye shall not vex him.
34. " (But) the stranger
that dwelleth with you
shall be unto you
as one born among you,
and thou shalt love him
as thyself;
for ye were strangers
in the land of Egypt:
I (am) The LORD your God.
35. "Ye shall do
no unrighteousness in Judgment,
in meteyard, in weight,
or in measure.
36. "Just balances, just weights,
a just ephah, and a just hin,
shall ye have:
I (am) The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the land of Egypt.
37.Therefore shall ye observe
all My Statutes,
and all My Judgments,
and do them:
I am The LORD."

. LEVITICUS 26:21-24.

21. "And if ye walk
contrary unto Me,
and will not hearken
unto Me;
I will bring seven times
more Plagues upon you
according to your Sins.
22. "I will also send Wild Beasts
among you,
which shall rob you of your children,
and destroy your cattle,
and make you few in number;
and your high ways
shall be desolate.
23. "And if ye will not
be reformed by Me
by these things,
but will walk
contrary unto Me;
24. "Then will I also walk
contrary unto you,
and will punish you
yet seven times
for your Sins."

THIS WAS THE LAMENT OF ELISHA'S MASTER: ELIJAH-

. 1st KINGS 19:10.

10. And he said,

"I have been very jealous
for The LORD God of Hosts:
for the Children of Israel
have forsaken Thy Covenant,
thrown down Thine Altars,
and slain thy Prophets
with the sword;
and I, even I only, am left;
and they seek my life,
to take it away."

ELIYAH AND THE OTHER PROPHETS OF HIS GENERATION WERE THE WATCHMEN OF Y'SRAEL: THEY ALL NEGLECTED THEIR DUTY WHEN AHAB AND HIS THUGS WERE GROWING UP.

ELISHA DID HIS DUTY- by ending the generation of fearlessly disrespectful children, before they could become soldiers against the worshippers of God- but he could have still tried Mercy, and corrected them with reason.

Since he showed no Mercy, he received none himself.

MaxInDHouse:

that's the only way their corruptible body could be sown before germinating into the incorruptible! 1Corin 15:42

PAUL LIED ABOUT EVERYTHING: ALL OF HIS TEACHINGS ARE PHARISEE PRINCIPLES LORD YESHUA CONDEMNED.

MaxInDHouse:

So the word RAPTURE doesn't fit in at all!

SINCE PAUL'S RAPTURE DOCTRINE IS A LIE, YOUR THEORY IS WRONG!

There is a GateWay to Heaven that opens twice a day.

. GENESIS 32:24-26.

24. And Jacob was left alone;
and there wrestled a man
with him until the Breaking of the Day.
25. And when he saw
that he prevailed not against him,
he touched the hollow of his thigh;
and the hollow of Jacob's thigh
was out of joint,
as he wrestled with him.
26. And he said,

"Let me go,
for the day breaketh."

And he said,

"I will not let thee go,
except thou Bless me."

THE NATIVE AMERICANS LEARNED HOW TO USE THESE GATES, SINCE 3,000 YEARS AGO.

When they forthrightly shared this Knowledge with the Oyinbos, they murdered them, and seized their lands.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

IF YOU ATTAIN EVERLASTING LIFE HOLINESS, YOU CAN SEE HEAVEN, AND GO TO HEAVEN, EVERY DAY

Therefore, the Resurrected Saints simply went through those Gates, and need not have spent more than a day on Earth.

Of course, the dunces can only think that they must have died- since God is so stingy with his Power toward them.

DID YOU KNOW THAT THE JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES™ PUBLISHED THEIR DOCTRINE THAT ENOCH AND ELIYAH NEVER WENT TO HEAVEN, BUT THEIR BODIES WERE IN SPACE, SOMEWHERE?

They do not understand how God can do certain things, and thus reason that that He cannot do them.

MaxInDHouse:


If you're truly interested in finding answers to thought provoking questions regarding religion just ask Jehovah's Witnesses.
We will patiently address your questions! smiley

. MATTHEW 15:1-14.

THEN came to Jesus
scribes and Pharisees,
which were of Jerusalem,
saying,

2. "Why do thy Disciples
transgress the Tradition
of the Elders?
For they wash not
their hands when
they eat bread."

3. But he Answered
and Said unto them,

"Why do ye also transgress
The Commandment of God
by your Tradition?
4. "For God Commanded,
Saying,

'HONOUR THY FATHER
AND MOTHER:
AND, HE THAT CURSETH
FATHER OR MOTHER
LET HIM DIE THE DEATH.'


5. "But ye say,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SAY
TO HIS FATHER OR MOTHER,


"IT IS A GIFT,
BY WHATSOEVER
THOU MIGHTEST BE
PROFITED BY ME;"


6. 'AND HONOUR NOT
HIS FATHER OR HIS MOTHER,
HE SHALL BE FREE.'


Thus have ye made
The Commandment of God
of none effect
by your Tradition.
7. "Ye Hypocrites,
well did Esaias
Prophesy of you,
saying,

8. 'THIS PEOPLE
DRAWETH NIGH UNTO ME
WITH THEIR MOUTH,
AND HONOURETH ME
WITH THEIR LIPS;
BUT THEIR HEART
IS FAR FROM ME.
9. 'BUT IN VAIN
THEY DO WORSHIP ME,
TEACHING FOR DOCTRINES
THE COMMANDMENTS
OF MEN.' "


10. And he called the multitude,
and Said unto them,

"Hear, and understand:
11. "Not that which goeth
into the mouth defileth a man;
but that which cometh
out of the mouth,
this defileth a man."

12. Then came his Disciples,
and Said unto him,

"Knowest thou that
the Pharisees were offended,
after they heard this Saying?"

13. But he Answered and Said,

"Every plant,
which my Heavenly Father
hath not Planted,
shall be rooted up.
14. "Let them alone:
they be blind leaders
of the blind.
And if the blind lead the blind,
both shall fall into the ditch."

THE JEHOVAH'S WITLESSES™ ARE THE DESCENDANTS OF WICKED MEN AND WOMEN, WHO INVADED A COUNTRY THAT WAS NOT THEIRS, MURDERING MANY OF ITS THEN INHABITANTS- THIS LED THEM TO DEVELOP THEOLOGIES THAT DENIED THE CONCEPT OF REPERCUSSIONS FOR WHAT THEIR FOREFATHERS DID, INCLUDING THE ABERRATION OF THEIR JUDGMENT.


. JOHN 6:43-45.

43. Jesus therefore Answered
and Said unto them,

“Murmur not among yourselves.
44. "No man can come to me
unless The Father
Who hath sent me draw him;
and I will Raise him up
at The Last Day.
45. "It is written in The Prophets:

‘AND THEY SHALL BE
ALL TAUGHT BY GOD.’


Every man therefore
that hath heard and hath learned
From The Father
cometh unto me."

IT IS VERY, VERY BAD FOR YOU, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE TO TEACH YOU THINGS: GOD IS SUPPOSED TO BE WITH YOU, AND IN YOU, TO TEACH YOU EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW ABOUT OBJECTS AND ENTITIES.

The only legitimate Teaching, therefore, is WHAT ONE NEEDS TO KNOW TO RECEIVE GOD TO THAT EXTENT.

Anyone teaching you to follow them for answers, is a DECEIVER!

Image123:


Instead of a Jwickedness member to humbly correct his errors and learn, he'd rather remain sickly indoctrinated and give me the freedom i have always had. embarassed
The Matthew 5 blessings/beatitudes are not mutually exclusive to persons, they are for every believer that meet the criteria. The poor in spirit can also be meek and merciful together, no demarcation. You can go to Heaven and inherit the earth. But those are not even what we were talking about. We were talking about being caught up in the cloud to meet the Lord in the air(not really Heaven or earth yet). It is what the Bible teaches, do learn not to say otherwise again.

FIVE HUNDRED YEARS AGO, THE OYINBOS UP AND SLAUGHTERED EVERYONE THEY COULD, WHO KNEW ABOUT HOW TO MOVE ACROSS WORLDS AND BETWEEN UNIVERSES.

Today, they say that they can find no proof that The Bible is true, and can find no evidence that God Exists.

Now, they are offering $1 million, for anyone who can show them proof that Spiritual Powers and Spirit Beings exist.

We have one stupid lad going around offering N2.5 million, if anyone can demonstrate the transformation from a Human into a Cat for him.

The idiot surely wanted to sell the video for N400 million. THE RANDI PRIZE.

Whereas, an accredited Scientist already provided the Oyinbos with the secret of such Powers- as well as their purpose.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda (1985).]

WHY WOULD GOD GIVE HUMANS THE ABILITY TO TRANSFORM THEMSELVES INTO ANIMALS? NO ONE ELSE HERE CAN ANSWER THAT.

oaroloye:


. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD,
THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
and The Knowledge of
The Holy is Understanding.

.   ISAIAH 55:6-9.

6. Seek ye The LORD,
while He may be found,
call ye upon Him
while He is near.
7. Let the Wicked
forsake his Way,
and the Unrighteous Man
his Thoughts:
and let him return
unto The LORD,
and He will have Mercy
upon him;
and to our God,
for He will abundantly pardon.

8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS
(ARE) NOT YOUR THOUGHTS,
NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS
MY WAYS," saith The LORD.
9. "FOR (AS) THE HEAVENS
ARE HIGHER
THAN THE EARTH,
SO ARE MY WAYS
HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS,
AND MY THOUGHTS
THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.' "


. 2nd CHRONICLES 16:9.

9. "For The Eyes of The LORD
run to and fro throughout
the whole Earth,
to show Himself strong
on behalf of those
whose heart
is perfect toward Him.
Herein thou hast done foolishly:
therefore from henceforth
thou shalt have wars.”

. AMOS 3:3.

3. Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

. ZECHARIAH 4:10.

10. For who hath despised
The Day of Small Things?
For they shall rejoice,
and shall see the plummet
in the hand of Zerubbabel
with those seven;
they are The Eyes of The LORD,
Which run to and fro
through the whole Earth."

11. Then answered I,
and said unto him,

"What are these
two olive trees
upon the right side
of the candlestick
and upon the left side
thereof?"

12. And I answered again,
and said unto him,

"What be these
two olive branches
which through
the two golden pipes
empty the golden oil
out of themselves?"

13. And he answered me
and said,

"Knowest thou not
what these be?"

And I said,

"No, my lord."

14. Then said he,

"These are
THE TWO ANOINTED ONES,
that stand by The Lord
of the whole Earth."

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-7.


4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy Might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee this Day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently
unto thy Children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.

THERE ARE EIGHT LEVELS OF EXISTENCE- ONE EARTHLY, AND SEVEN HEAVENLY.

.   2nd PETER 1:5-9.

5. And besides this,
giving all diligence,
add to your Faith Virtue,
and to Virtue Knowledge,
6. And to Knowledge Temperance,
and to Temperance Patience,
and to Patience Godliness,
7. And to Godliness Brotherly Kindness,
and to Brotherly Kindness Charity.
8. For if these things be in you,
and abound,
they make you
that ye shall neither be
barren nor unfruitful
in The Knowledge
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
9. But he that lacketh
these things is blind,
and cannot see afar off,
and hath forgotten
that he was purged
from his old Sins.

THAT IS WHY THERE ARE SEVEN CHURCHES IN HEAVEN.

Those who attain and maintain HOLINESS sequentially manifest these ten Powers:

. THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25)

(1) TOTAL RECALL.
(2) EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
(3) TELEKINESIS.
(4) TELEPORTATION.
(5) TRANSLATION.
(6-10) EVERLASTING LIFE.


. MATTHEW 12:43-45.

43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE I CAME OUT;'


and when he is come,
he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits
more wicked than himself,
and they enter in and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

THOSE WHO ATTAIN HOLINESS, BUT DYTILL FALL INTO SIN, ARE INVARIABLY POSSESSED BY DEVILS.

These can allow them to retain high Spiritual Powers, while feeding off of them. That is basically how Witches are made.
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IT TAKES MORE SPIRITUAL ENERGY TO DWELL AND OPERATE IN HEAVEN THAN ON EARTH: THERE ARE SEVEN HEAVENS, AND NO MAN CAN CARRY ENOUGH ENERGY TO RETAIN HUMAN FORM, BEYOND THE THIRD HEAVEN.

The Seat of Consciousness is positioned like a VERTICAL GEAR SHIFT: if it is moved upwards, one becomes more and more GODLIKE- which is Energy-consuming.

But if it is moved downwards, one becomes more BESTIAL- if moved far enough down, one becomes a PLANT.

One's PHYSICAL BODY literally transforms into a LOWER LIFEFORM.

THIS SAVES SPIRITUAL ENERGY.

So that, by the time the holiest of men Translates to THE SEVENTH HEAVEN, they should be a SHEEP.

THIS EXPLAINS THE CLAIM THAT "NO MAN HAS EVER" ASCENDED INTO HEAVEN BEFORE- DESPITE OLD TESTAMENT ACCOUNTS.
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:52pm On Jun 03, 2022
Image123:


Learn what? Have you now learned the clear fact on the teaching of believers being caught up in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air?
No need jumping up and down like a toad without learning anything. Sit and learn, one step at a time. We are talking rapture, you'd rather talk about a million things and know nothing at the end of the day. i am not mesmerized by such folly and indiscipline. No one talked about marriage except you. Getting married or not getting married has nothing to do with going to Heaven or Earth. Jesus Christ and many Eunuchs did not marry any woman on Earth, and should He return, i don't think He has to marry to be granted entrance to Earth. Stop making things up or copying and pasting junk as usual. Again what has coming to Earth have to do with the power of death? Stop making up stupidity by the hour, the Bible does not teach that people will not come to Earth again to escape death.

That's how it should be! cheesy

So continue ranting but don't quote our book (Bible) because you weren't taught anything that goes in line with the truth found in God's word! wink
Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by Image123(m): 9:59pm On Jun 03, 2022
MaxInDHouse:


That's how it should be! cheesy

So continue ranting but don't quote our book (Bible) because you weren't taught anything that goes in line with the truth found in God's word! wink

Instead of the proud hypocrite to repent and treat his wounds, he is licking them and calling them vitamins. You were aptly described by Paul as a vain talker whose mouth should be stopped like was done on this Rapture topic. Hoping that you are able to come to the knowledge of this truth and not just ever learning. Be prepared for the kingdom of God, not for silly talk from your magazines.

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Re: When I Die, Will I Go Directly To Heaven Or Will I Wait Until The Rapture? by johnw47: 1:18am On Jun 04, 2022
christians read the bible for what it say's

false jw's read it for what they can make it say

Mat 15:9  But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

it is vain to worship God while teaching lies

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