SMUAG:


No doubt for Bird of Prey and Peacemaker and these two movie and series were cleared by their directors about them being spin-offs...

Lmao... Keep grasping at straws.

So you no see where IndieWire, The Hollywood Reporter and ScreenRant say it's a spinoff. If Warner Bros execs or producers of the movie didn't make it clear Black Adam is a spinoff, THR a well known scooper or Hollywood major news platform won't carry it.

Keep cooking your narrative sha. Na you Sabi pass Hollywood industry players. Agba Cooker!!

SMUAG:


Was Iron Man popular before it did 500+ in ithe first Iron Man movie...
So your understanding is that Shazam wasn't popular that's why it didn't get a juggernaut numbers...lolz

See I'm getting tired of this back and forth cos it's getting stale already cos you just seem to stray from logic & facts and dwell on emotions.

Iron Man was considerable popular to an extent. Not mainstream popular as of now but you can call him a B-list character based on popularity then. You can't say the same for Shazam. Prolly C-list at best if not D-list.
Even the seniors you're claiming he's popular amongst will most notably know him as Captain Marvel and not Shazam!

Before the Iron Man movies I most definitely has seen Marvel animations featuring IM.
Have you seen Shazam in animations of old or seldom remember him in your childhood entertainment? Let's be reasonable and stop capping nonsense. Have u ever seen Shazam merchandise?

You're also blatantly ignoring when Shazam was released. The movie went up against a juggernaut of Endgame and Marvel's Captain Marvel. 3 weeks apart being sandwiched by two MCU Event movies. There was no way that movie would have wiggle room to gross more in such competition especially when it's not even a well known character.
Popular in the 50s, 60s yes. In 21st century? NO.

This is my last statement on this Shazam back and forth.

abduleez1:


See I'm getting tired of this back and forth cos it's getting stale already cos you just seem to stray from logic & facts and dwell on emotions.

Iron Man was considerable popular to an extent. Not mainstream popular as of now but you can call him a B-list character based on popularity then. You can't say the same for Shazam. Prolly C-list at best if not D-list.
Even the seniors you're claiming he's popular amongst will most notably know him as Captain Marvel and not Shazam!

Before the Iron Man movies I most definitely has seen Marvel animations featuring IM.
Have you seen Shazam in animations of old or seldom remember him in your childhood entertainment? Let's be reasonable and stop capping nonsense. Have u ever seen Shazam merchandise?

You're also blatantly ignoring when Shazam was released. The movie went up against a juggernaut of Endgame and Marvel's Captain Marvel. 3 weeks apart being sandwiched by two MCU Event movies. There was no way that movie would have wiggle room to gross more in such competition especially when it's not even a well known character.
Popular in the 50s, 60s yes. In 21st century? NO.

This is my last statement on this Shazam back and forth.

Stop making excuses for a flop..
If you are going by that logic, then there are 1001 movies that were not known before their release dates but did wonders .

It's frustrating already when 9 years on the DCEU still has about 10 fvvking moveis released.
A pitiable stats of just a movie per year.


That's why I scoff when peeps complain of the new projects. I'm just happy we're NOW getting multiple projects at once. The top quality or high profile characters will come sooner rather than later.

Phoenix is down for this, so its probably good
keeping my fingers crossed cause I don't what to expect from this movie.

SMUAG:


All this your explanations of spin-off can also serve as sequel or extended universe if you really check what you wrote.. and that is why I said, show me where the director called it a spin-off and I will rest. All spin-off series or movies I have seen or watched, the studio or director always make it clear from the beginning that it's a spin-off, but Black Adam case has been different...

So let me get it straight, a movie about a villain of a character set in the same universe, that is referenced in the movie of that character is not a spin off of that character's movie. So until a filmmaker comes and tell you that it's a spin off before you know it's a spin off. It's common sense. It's like someone saying, carrying satanic Bible to church is not wrong since no one told him so, common sense will tell you that it's not proper to do so. It's not everything the filmmaker will tell you.
Aside that, Wikipedia and the media refers to Black Adam as a spin off. Do you think the media and Wikipedia, especially Wikipedia will refer to Black Adam as a spin off if it isn't? Wikipedia carries verified information, it's not a platform for hoax.
For example: Wikipedia says BvS is a sequel to MoS, this is an information that the studio and Zack has confirmed themselves. In other words, Wikipedia and the media but especially Wikipedia won't and doesn't carry unverified information. If Wikipedia says BvS is a sequel to MoS, then it is. If Wikipedia says Black Adam is a spin off of Shazam, then it is. You don't need a filmmaker to come tell you that, Wikipedia and the media are their mouthpiece.
But if you still want to keep up with the "show me where the filmmaker said it" despite the informations from the media, Wikipedia and common sense, then suit yourself.

Medium grosser and high grosser, another means to massage your ego that Shazam wasn't a flop... Oga, that number na flop category e dey as long as cbm is concerned this days or all the DC fans and main stream audience go for holidays during its released..

If Shazam is a flop then MoS is a flop because the ideology you possessed makes a mess of MoS. According to you, since it's CBM, not just any CBM but an A-list CBM, MoS should gross a billion. As a matter of fact, the minimum MoS should have grossed should be $800M but funny enough it didn't, it is movies like WW, Suicide Squad ($721M) and Aquaman that did.
According to your logic, MoS is a massive flop, but guess what, I'm not using your logic, I'm using industry standard.

Meet an Industry analyst and ask him if MoS or Shazam are flops, his answer will be no, contrary to yours.
As a matter of fact, in Hollywood, the same rules applies for all genres as regards financial analysis. There is no special law assigned to CBMs. If you think such law exist, it's in your head, it's something you conceived, it's not real.

In Hollywood, if a movie irrespective of genre has a budget of $100M and below, they're regarded as medium or low budgeted movies, and for such films,to determine their success, high grosser is not been considered rather emphasis is on profitability. That doesn't mean if such film grosses high, it won't be a acknowledged, it will but the emphasis is not on that.
For high budgeted films, films with over $100M budget, both high grosser and profitability is been considered for it to be termed a success. Most CBMs are high budgeted films which means they need to gross both high and be profitable to be seen as successful except the very few CBMs that are low or medium budgeted.

So according to industry standards, MoS isn't a flop but a disappointment while Shazam is a success. It doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not, that's the standard industry rule, not some made up shit.

Or are you trying to say that if a movie budget is 500m and it grossed 1.2b and another movie budget is 150m and it grossed 450m, so we should let go the one with 1.2b just because it's net profit isn't higher....forgetting that, doing that number is a sign that there is a better and potentially better market share/audience for it if they try improve on certain areas....

1.) Going with the 3x multiplier rule to determine BEP, since actual break even point (BEP = production budget + marketing budget) of the films aren't known, the $1.2B movie is a loss while the $450M is even, neither profitable or a loss. This begs the question, what's the essence of grossing $1.2B if you're still going to be a loss? This is business, you look at the returns to the company, not just how much the movie grossed. So yes, going with industry standard, $1.2B film is a massive flop while the $450M is neither flop or success.

2.) MoS with a budget of $200M never grossed one billion, it couldn't even grossed $700M. It struggled to gross $668M and churned in a profit of a meager $42M while Shazam with a $100M budget, despite grossing $363M raked in a profit of $73M.
So between MoS and Shazam, which one is more successful? Industry standard says Shazam but your ideology says none.

3.) Both films are high budgeted films, $500M and $150M respectively, which means, according to industry standard, for them to be successful, they will have to gross high and be profitable, of which both of them failed.
Film A grossed high, $1.2B, but didn't make profit but rather a loss of $300M while Film B was a medium grosser, $450M and was neither profitable nor a loss.
But in the case of MoS and Shazam, MoS is a high budgeted movie ($200M) while Shazam is a medium or low budgeted movie ($100M). Between the two, any movie that has the burden of grossing high according to industry standards, is MoS but it failed, grossing medium of $668M and raking in a meager $42M unlike Shazam who is free from such high grosser burden. All it needs to do is to be profitable and it was well profitable with $73M.
So once again, according to industry standards, Shazam is a success while MoS isn't a failure albeit a disappointment. Any contrary view, is in your head.


#Xavier
#DCian

abduleez1:
It's frustrating already when 9 years on the DCEU still has about 10 fvvking moveis released.
A pitiable stats of just a movie per year.


That's why I scoff when peeps complain of the new projects. I'm just happy we're NOW getting multiple projects at once. The top quality or high profile characters will come sooner rather than later.

Then let him come out with his own plan. It's long overdue. Ever since he took over, all I've been hearing is anger, complains, whining, frustrations and cancellations from him, no plans yet. One month is enough to create a plan, abi he wants to use an entire year to do that?

Is he still going with the current DCEU plan (reboot)? Or he has his own? He should let us know instead of complaining and whining here and there. That's how he will continue until 2022 is over


#Xavier
#DCian

abduleez1:
Dunno how to feel about this...

I definitely feel skeptical about it.

Xavier5:


So let me get it straight, a movie about a villain of a character set in the same universe, that is referenced in the movie of that character is not a spin off of that character's movie. So until a filmmaker comes and tell you that it's a spin off before you know it's a spin off. It's common sense. It's like someone saying, carrying satanic Bible to church is not wrong since no one told him so, common sense will tell you that it's not proper to do so. It's not everything the filmmaker will tell you.
Aside that, Wikipedia and the media refers to Black Adam as a spin off. Do you think the media and Wikipedia, especially Wikipedia will refer to Black Adam as a spin off if it isn't? Wikipedia carries verified information, it's not a platform for hoax.
For example: Wikipedia says BvS is a sequel to MoS, this is an information that the studio and Zack has confirmed themselves. In other words, Wikipedia and the media but especially Wikipedia won't and doesn't carry unverified information. If Wikipedia says BvS is a sequel to MoS, then it is. If Wikipedia says Black Adam is a spin off of Shazam, then it is. You don't need a filmmaker to come tell you that, Wikipedia and the media are their mouthpiece.
But if you still want to keep up with the "show me where the filmmaker said it" despite the informations from the media, Wikipedia and common sense, then suit yourself.



If Shazam is a flop then MoS is a flop because the ideology you possessed makes a mess of MoS. According to you, since it's CBM, not just any CBM but an A-list CBM, MoS should gross a billion. As a matter of fact, the minimum MoS should have grossed should be $800M but funny enough it didn't, it is movies like WW, Suicide Squad ($721M) and Aquaman that did.
According to your logic, MoS is a massive flop, but guess what, I'm not using your logic, I'm using industry standard.

Meet an Industry analyst and ask him if MoS or Shazam are flops, his answer will be no, contrary to yours.
As a matter of fact, in Hollywood, the same rules applies for all genres as regards financial analysis. There is no special law assigned to CBMs. If you think such law exist, it's in your head, it's something you conceived, it's not real.

In Hollywood, if a movie irrespective of genre has a budget of $100M and below, they're regarded as medium or low budgeted movies, and for such films,to determine their success, high grosser is not been considered rather emphasis is on profitability. That doesn't mean if such film grosses high, it won't be a acknowledged, it will but the emphasis is not on that.
For high budgeted films, films with over $100M budget, both high grosser and profitability is been considered for it to be termed a success. Most CBMs are high budgeted films which means they need to gross both high and be profitable to be seen as successful except the very few CBMs that are low or medium budgeted.

So according to industry standards, MoS isn't a flop but a disappointment while Shazam is a success. It doesn't matter whether you agree with it or not, that's the standard industry rule, not some made up shit.



1.) Going with the 3x multiplier rule to determine BEP, since actual break even point (BEP = production budget + marketing budget) of the films aren't known, the $1.2B movie is a loss while the $450M is even, neither profitable or a loss. This begs the question, what's the essence of grossing $1.2B if you're still going to be a loss? This is business, you look at the returns to the company, not just how much the movie grossed. So yes, going with industry standard, $1.2B film is a massive flop while the $450M is neither flop or success.

2.) MoS with a budget of $200M never grossed one billion, it couldn't even grossed $700M. It struggled to gross $668M and churned in a profit of a meager $42M while Shazam with a $100M budget, despite grossing $363M raked in a profit of $73M.
So between MoS and Shazam, which one is more successful? Industry standard says Shazam but your ideology says none.

3.) Both films are high budgeted films, $500M and $150M respectively, which means, according to industry standard, for them to be successful, they will have to gross high and be profitable, of which both of them failed.
Film A grossed high, $1.2B, but didn't make profit but rather a loss of $300M while Film B was a medium grosser, $450M and was neither profitable nor a loss.
But in the case of MoS and Shazam, MoS is a high budgeted movie ($200M) while Shazam is a medium or low budgeted movie ($100M). Between the two, any movie that has the burden of grossing high according to industry standards, is MoS but it failed, grossing medium of $668M and raking in a meager $42M unlike Shazam who is free from such high grosser burden. All it needs to do is to be profitable and it was well profitable with $73M.
So once again, according to industry standards, Shazam is a success while MoS isn't a failure albeit a disappointment. Any contrary view, is in your head.


#Xavier
#DCian

Stop shooting yourself on the feet, cause by this your logic an A-list character at least need to do 800m or billion to see it as successful one so can you call the current The Batman movie a failure even if it turn out profit.... As for me, NO, it was a huge success for a starting point.
Was Suicide Squad and The Sucide Squad spin-offs from BvS and the first Suicide Squad since they are both villains from same universe that reference more about their first movie(s)? Especially the first Suicide Squad to BvS... clear me abeg...
Your logic supposed to exclude Suicide Squad in that category knowing fully well that it didn't do the 800m or billion mark, and also, the greatest A-list Villain, Joker and over A-list Hero Batman were in that movie since you like grading your failure and success that way...lol Or maybe because it was not directed by Zack so you saw it differently. For me, it was a success regardless of who and who was in it.

SMUAG:


Was Suicide Squad and The Sucide Squad spin-offs from BvS and the first Suicide Squad since they are both villains from same universe that reference more about their first movie(s)? Especially the first Suicide Squad to BvS... clear me abeg...

Suicide Squad is not a spin-off from BvS. Spin-offs focus more on a particular character(s) or event from an earlier movie.

Black Adam movie will tell the story of how he was imprisoned for 5,000 years which was hinted in the first movie, his likeness was even used as a hologram in the movie.

Nickshrapnel:
Suicide Squad is not a spin-off from BvS. Spin-offs[b] focus more on a particular character(s) or event from an earlier movie.[/b]

Black Adam movie will tell the story of how he was imprisoned for 5,000 years which was hinted in the first movie, his likeness was even used as a hologram in the movie.

What you are saying doesn't justify that it's a spin-off. Many standalone movies had/have done that without being called a spin-off.

SMUAG:


Stop shooting yourself on the feet, cause by this your logic an A-list character at least need to do 800m or billion to see it as successful one so can you call the current The Batman movie a failure even if it turn out profit.... As for me, NO, it was a huge success for a starting point. Your logic supposed to exclude Suicide Squad in that category knowing fully well that it didn't do the 800m or billion mark, and also, the greatest A-list Villain, Joker and over A-list Hero Batman were in that movie since you like grading your failure and success that way...lol Or maybe because it was not directed by Zack so you saw it differently. For me, it was a success regardless of who and who was in it

Dude it's not my logic, it's your logic. That's what you said. According to you, a CBM must gross very high before it is termed a success. I was only pointing the ridiculous of your logic contrary to industry standards, but as usual, all because you want to win an argument, you want to claim I said so. Why don't you me show me where I said so?
If you read my arguments, which you don't, you won't be uttering this nonsense.

One more thing, according to industry standards, high grooser starts from $700M, so yes The Batman and SS is a high grosser contrary to your own conceived ideology.

Was Suicide Squad and The Sucide Squad spin-offs from BvS and the first Suicide Squad since they are both villains from same universe that reference more about their first movie(s)? Especially the first Suicide Squad to BvS... clear me abeg...

A film base on a villain of a character set in the same universe and is connected to that character's movie is a spin off of that character's film.

They're so many examples of spinoffs but this is one of them.

Ask yourself,

1.) Is Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad base on the BvS' villain? NO
2.) Is SS and TSS about a major character in BvS? NO
3.) Does Wikipedia and the media say SS and TSS are spin off of BvS? NO.
4.) Does Wikipedia and the media say Black Adam is a spin off of Shazam? YES.
5.) Does Wikipedia and the media say BvS and TSS are sequels to MoS and SS respectively? YES.
6.) Does Wikipedia and the media carry verified information? YES.

So what's the argument about? Dude you're just desperate to win an argument to the point you're sounding very ridiculous. It's not about winning an argument, it's about being sensible. You're sounding irrational right now.

Below are screenshots of what I said earlier, take a look at them incase you didn't read them earlier and see how ridiculous your statements are.

To be sincere, I'm tired of this stupid argument, argument where I have to be repeating the same thing over and over to you. This is the last time I will reply you concerning this matter.

#Xavier
#DCian

Xavier5:


Dude it's not my logic, it's your logic. That's what you said. According to you, a CBM must gross very high before it is termed a success. I was only pointing the ridiculous of your logic contrary to industry standards, but as usual, all because you want to win an argument, you want to claim I said so. Why don't you me show me where I said so?
If you read my arguments, which you don't, you won't be uttering this nonsense.

One more thing, according to industry standards, high grooser starts from $700M, so yes The Batman and SS is a high grosser contrary to your own conceived ideology.



A film base on a villain of a character set in the same universe and is connected to that character's movie is a spin off of that character's film.

They're so many examples of spinoffs but this is one of them.

Ask yourself,

1.) Is Suicide Squad and The Suicide Squad base on the BvS' villain? NO
2.) Is SS and TSS about a major character in BvS? NO
3.) Does Wikipedia and the media say SS and TSS are spin off of BvS? NO.
4.) Does Wikipedia and the media say Black Adam is a spin off of Shazam? YES.
5.) Does Wikipedia and the media say BvS and TSS are sequels to MoS and SS respectively? YES.
6.) Does Wikipedia and the media carry verified information? YES.

So what's the argument about? Dude you're just desperate to win an argument to the point you're sounding very ridiculous. It's not about winning an argument, it's about being sensible. You're sounding irrational right now.

Below are screenshots of what I said earlier, take a look at them incase you didn't read them earlier and see how ridiculous your statements are.

To be sincere, I'm tired of this stupid argument, argument where I have to be repeating the same thing over and over to you. This is the last time I will reply you concerning this matter.

#Xavier
#DCian

Mr rational, I never said MoS was a success (that'swell successful), I only bank on the premise that it was a good start for a universe. Go back and check what brought about this argument rather than thinking you are sounding intelligent...
Put MoS and Shazam's box office numbers and their budgets I will take MoS because the market/audience is already there, what is left is for me to make improvement and am sure to get a better returns... Irrespective of the budget the numbers weren't bad at all to kick start something huge... WB might decided not to do a sequel propabably not because of its box office numbers, but because of how difficult it is to do a believable and compelling story That to them audience can relate with. Mind us, Superman is one of the most difficult character to put a believable movie out there if not the most so it might not necessarily means the other way...

SMUAG:

Mr rational, I never said MoS was a success (that'swell successful), I only bank on the premise that it was a good start for a universe. Go back and check what brought about this argument rather than thinking you are sounding intelligent...
Put MoS and Shazam's box office numbers and their budgets I will take MoS because the market/audience is already there, what is left is for me to make improvement and am sure to get a better returns... Irrespective of the budget the numbers weren't bad at all to kick start something huge... WB might decided not to do a sequel propabably not because of its box office numbers, but because of how difficult it is to do a believable and compelling story That to them audience can relate with. Mind us, Superman is one of the most difficult character to put a believable movie out there if not the most so it might not necessarily means the other way...

If you read my earlier post, you would have seen where I said,

The reason there is no MoS 2 is not because of its revenue rather because WB/DC, for reasons best known to them, plans to reboot the DCEU via The Flash first before producing the movie.
WB/DC has plans for two superman films (one DCEU movie and val zod series). The movie may not be MoS 2 but it will definitely be a superman movie with Henry Cavill (it is rumoured he will appear in the Flash probably at the end of the movie where the JL of the rebooted DCEU will be introduced).
WB/DC wants to reboot the universe first before they produced critical films like Superman and JL. The series probably will be cancelled but the movie will pull through. After The Flash, the next DCEU movie slate will include JL and Superman movies.

So what's the essence for the argument?


#Xavier
#DCian

pu7pl3:
I thought we have outgrown all these in house bickering between DC fans

Hulk616 rn

pu7pl3:
Jesus Christ

Is Lord for ever

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFBWg8moL44

Kaycee7:
I definitely feel skeptical about it.

I just hope they don't ruin the masterpiece status of the original.

Xavier5:


Then let him come out with his own plan. It's long overdue. Ever since he took over, all I've been hearing is anger, complains, whining, frustrations and cancellations from him, no plans yet. One month is enough to create a plan, abi he wants to use an entire year to do that?

Is he still going with the current DCEU plan (reboot)? Or he has his own? He should let us know instead of complaining and whining here and there. That's how he will continue until 2022 is over


#Xavier
#DCian

Zaslav's plan is already setting on motion.
One month is not enough to set things straight in DC bro. He

It's fvvking here!!
The hierarchy of power is about to CHANGE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaV7mmc9HGw

abduleez1:
It's fvvking here!!
The hierarchy of power is about to CHANGE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaV7mmc9HGw

Superman ain’t so super no more

And Adam makes Shazam looks like cupcake

abduleez1:


Zaslav's plan is already setting on motion.
One month is not enough to set things straight in DC bro. He

I'm not talking about executing his plans, I'm talking about letting us in on his plans even if it's just a glimpse. One month is more than enough to conceive a plan and let the fan base know about it, at least a glimpse if not all of it.


#Xavier
#DCian

Xavier5:


I'm not talking about executing his plans, I'm talking about letting us in on his plans even if it's just a glimpse. One month is more than enough to conceive a plan and let the fan base know about it, at least a glimpse if not all of it.


#Xavier
#DCian

He's made it known:

1. The universe needs to be coherent and closely connected.
2. DC Films will be getting a new head and increased independence.
3. Movies will be planned out long term.
4. Superman and other major characters NEEDS to be the focal point.
5. Crank out more projects.

The plan is there if you want to see it. Na execution I dey wait for which already getting set up, New Line and WB got Mike De Luca and Abdy for the main studio. There powers doesn't have creative authority over DC films anymore. Zaslav is currently hunting for a DC film president and Hamada's job ain't so safe no more. Same as the Animation Group.

He's currently working on how to make Superman work. Once that's figured out and the actor is confirmed (Henry or otherwise), the DCEU will be pivoted around Supes. Just matter of time for a studio head to arrive and chart a proper plan. Zaslav can't do that. He doesn't have the competency, that's why he's setting up key people at key positions to better execute his vision.

Here they come....

abduleez1:
It's fvvking here!!
The hierarchy of power is about to CHANGE.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaV7mmc9HGw

GOD TIER. OMOH, SUPERMAN AND SHAZAM DEY LEARN WORK WHERE THIS ONE DAY

YOU COULD FEEL THE POWER, THE RAGE, THE PASSION.

THE HIERARCHY OF POWER IS ABOUT TO CHANGE IN THE DC UNIVERSE.

THE SCENES WERE BLACK ADAM THREW THAT THUG INTO THE SKY AND SLAMMED ON THE FIGHTER JET WERE FVCKING HILARIOUS

FROM THE LOOK OF THINGS, DWAYNE JOHNSON ISN'T PLAYING DWAYNE JOHNSON BUT BLACK ADAM. HE MAY BE VERSATILE IN THIS MOVIE AS HE PROMISED BUT LET'S WAIT AND SEE.

I CAN'T WAIT FOR OCTOBER 21


#XAVIER
#DCian

nani667:
Episode 25

which series is this please?.

abduleez1:
Here they come....

And they expect WB/DC to restore the snyderverse with this level of toxicity. I will have to become an atheist again, before WB/DC do that, arrant nonsense


#Xavier
#DCian

Were that noisemaker weyrey wey dey cap effortlessly??

Hope niqqa go shut up now.

The hierarchy of power is about to change in the DC universe

Is it the same trailer I watched or is there another one

BlackManta:
Is it the same trailer I watched or is there another one

Na today u know that mumu Indian Geralt.