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FatherOfJesus:
do I need to be rooted in governanxe to know that Lagos has huge infrastructural deficit vis-a-vis revenue compared with her contemporaries in Africa? No, I only need exposure



Lagos cannot experience UGM and ESN. There are no forests to hide and it's too urban. It's common sense my friend. Traffic might even stall there activities, no sane UGM will operate in such environment and not get caught. You should think

no one stops state government from providing world class transportation, Roads, waterboard etc in their states. States can even construct federal roads and get refunds. States can even build rails and seaports.

The only thing states cannot do is to generate electricity as that will be integrated into national grid.

If you know any other developmental project a state cannot embark upon, kndly share with us.

With due respect I must admit that your understanding in respect to governance in Nigeria is very limited hence your armchair criticism that doesn't reflect the complexity of Nigeria.

But avail yourself to read the state power within the exclusive, concurrent and residual list of the constitution.

Can a state government rehabilitate a Federal road without approval from Federal government?

Have you bothered to check limitation of state government to exploit our waterway transportation system.

Now the little initiative from Lagos state government in water transportation was contested by FG through different bills that stifles state development?

Have you forgotten that Lagos State has been the pioneer of these strides, such as water transportation, rehabilitation of Fed roads despite the unending power play that comes from FG.

Do you think any state government has power to embark on rail project without approval from government? At what cost are those approval given?
How long does it take LASG before getting the approval of the light rail currently being built?

What about Lagos Badagry expansion project? What is the investment of State government compared to the Federal government in the project?
How will you assess the contribution of LASG to it's portion of the project compared to that of Federal government?

I know you won't care to look up into all these underlying factors beyond the criticism and blame game.

Let me just ignore your opinion about inability of UGM, BH to penetrate Lagos because it is baseless.

I would rather advice you to pick genuine interest in governance so you would appreciate work some leaders are doing within the complex society they are operating

babasolution:
Some things you stated here can't just be done because states can do it,the financial implications is huge,we all know there stealing and looting but it's a Nigerian thing,it's not peculiar to Lagos.

Nigerias huge redundant population is a problem to Nigeria therefore Lagos.

Abidjan,Dakar etc that you mentioned,there are not more than probably 5million in those cities,all revenues are channelled there,eg yamossoukrp the capital of ivorycoast is hugely underdeveloped, still Abidjan is on the same standard with Lagos give or take

I didn't mention Abidjan and Dakar.

I have been to Marahashtra state of India with 114million people. Mumbai as their states capital has serious problems however you can see state government infrastructural impact in terms of roads, public transportation and water board system.
We can see that the state government is investing in education and other infrastructure. They have huge population but still light years ahead of Lagos.

Population is not a problem, the problem is what you stated, corruption is everywhere in Nigeria, Lagos inclusive.

Ttalk:
With due respect I must admit that your understanding in respect to governance in Nigeria is very limited hence your armchair criticism that doesn't reflect the complexity of Nigeria.

But avail yourself to read the state power within the exclusive, concurrent and residual list of the constitution.

Can a state government rehabilitate a Federal road without approval from Federal government?

Have you bothered to check limitation of state government to exploit our waterway transportation system.

Now the little initiative from Lagos state government in water transportation was contested by FG through different bills that stifles state development?

Have you forgotten that Lagos State has been the pioneer of these strides, such as water transportation, rehabilitation of Fed roads despite the unending power play that comes from FG.

Do you think any state government has power to embark on rail project without approval from government? At what cost are those approval given?
How long does it take LASG before getting the approval of the light rail currently being built?

What about Lagos Badagry expansion project? What is the investment of State government compared to the Federal government in the project?
How will you assess the contribution of LASG to it's portion of the project compared to that of Federal government?

I know you won't care to look up into all these underlying factors beyond the criticism and blame game.

Let me just ignore your opinion about inability of UGM, BH to penetrate Lagos because it is baseless.

I would rather advice you to pick genuine interest in governance so you would appreciate work some leaders are doing within the complex society they are operating

You are busy creating many things from thin air without telling us the actual limitations of states. You are the person showing gross ignorance of how stuffs work?

A state can even construct a federal road and not ask for refund. The approval boils down to funds.

Tinubu rehabilitated Agege motor road and didn't request for any refund. Go and check.

You are looking for every silly and flimsy excuses to justify the infrastructural deficit in Lagos State.

You are yet to tell us why Lagos still has bad state roads, no state water board and proper transport system. Do they need FG permission for that?

FatherOfJesus:
I didn't mention Abidjan and Dakar.

I have been to Marahashtra state of India with 114million people. Mumbai as their states capital has serious problems however you can see state government infrastructural impact in terms of roads, public transportation and water board system.
We can see that the state government is investing in education and other infrastructure. They have huge population but still light years ahead of Lagos.

Population is not a problem, the problem is what you stated, corruption is everywhere in Nigeria, Lagos inclusive.

Let's not deceive ourselves,Lagos doesn't have unlimited funds,Maharashtra is the richest state of India and India overall as far more funds available to it than Lagos,I'm nt exonerating Lagos,Lagos as it's deficiencies,serious ones ,however its not as easy as we think,infact Lagos is kind of rebuilding instead of developing, so many things that were done in decays past were left to decay and rot especially in the 90s,Lagos as to rebuild those things before even adding more

buckeyemedia:
Please keep quiet nonsense Tribalist, I was born & raised in Lagos State, Ikoyi & Victoria Island to be precise, Lagos State is a Federal project, what was the the capital of the Western Region pre independence? Ibadan, why isn’t Ibadan any more developed than Port Harcourt or Enugu?

Lagos State was developed by Nigerians, all Nigerians irrespective of tribe built Lagos State, so please shut up.

My mum worked @ the Federal Secretariat Ikoyi, filled with Nigerians from all parts of the country Just across the road from the AP Petrol station were Murtala Mohammed was killed.

After the Gideon Orkar Coup of 1991, we are living witnesses to when the Federal Government packed their belongings & left Lagos State.

Nonsense.

I expect your argument to be civil because i have been civil enough and I don't need to tell you my stake in Lagos for you to appreciate my point.

You are free to believe whatever junks just as am free to believe mine.

Lagos is daily being repressed by people like you who never see any good of it yet you benefited from the goods of the heroes of the state.

Let land, the water, the air of Lagos judge you according to your wish for it.

Since you hate the leaders, your despise the land and you dislike the inhabitant, why not go and live in paradise that is free from human flaws.

Free Lagos of all these nauseating hatred, it doesn't know you exist

FatherOfJesus:
You are busy creating many things from thin air without telling us the actual limitations of states. You are the person showing gross ignorance of how stuffs work?

A state can even construct a federal road and not ask for refund. The approval boils down to funds.

Tinubu rehabilitated Agege motor road and didn't request for any refund. Go and check.

You are looking for every silly and flimsy excuses to justify the infrastructural deficit in Lagos State.

You are yet to tell us why Lagos still has bad state roads, no state water board and proper transport system. Do they need FG permission for that?

The main issue with Lagos now is improper inorganisation,very poor transport system(this is the area I fault Lagos the most) and law enforcement, Lagos is anything goes.if there is proper organisational policy and enforcement and better modern transport Lagos will improve alot,like the okada ban,is a right step,

FatherOfJesus:
Anybody who thinks Lagos is doing well is not being sincere. On what basis are you making that inference?

The fact that Lagos was capital city for more than 50years and has never surpassed the infrastructural feat it achieved since 1991 until date?

Or the fact that Lagos still doesn't have a standard waste management system, public water and transportational infrastructure?

Look, Lagos is not growing, I cannot see any substantial developmental progress since 1991, TBH. Only Fashola tried to make some progress happen.

People ask then why is everyone trooping to Lagos?
Why is Lagos the commercial capital?
The answer is simple, Nigeria's economy is hugely dependent on importation, which means that every business wants access to the sea. The fact that apapa and tincan seaports are the only functioning seaports in Nigeria means that Businessws will always choose Lagos to cut of cost of logistics.
Logistics is crazy in Nigeria, in my company, it's cost us more to transport our products from Apapa port to our warehouse in Ibeju-Lekki than transporting them from Taiwan to Apapa port. It's crazy, every business owner knows this. Imagine if our warehouse is in onitsha.
Open up other seaports in Warri, Calabar, onne and port Harcourt, you will see Lagos economy shrink, businesses will spread out other parts of the country.

All these is making it seem like Lagos is working but it's not. The amount Lagos government generate doesn't commensurate with the kind of infrastructure on ground. They are basking on the effect of business influx to create a charade that Lagos is working. A small city in South Africa that doesn't have as much money as lagos will beat Lagos infrastructural wise on every level.

Tinubu supporters should spare us the noise abeg.

Thank God you alone are entitled to it.

babasolution:
Let's not deceive ourselves,Lagos doesn't have unlimited funds,Maharashtra is the richest state of India and India overall as far more funds available to it than Lagos,I'm nt exonerating Lagos,Lagos as it's deficiencies,serious ones ,however its not as easy as we think,infact Lagos is kind of rebuilding instead of developing, so many things that were done in decays past were left to decay and rot especially in the 90s,Lagos as to rebuild those things before even adding more

Who left them to decay? Is it the same Lagos State government?

I agree with you on a lot of things, sincerely but the only significant rebuilding I have seen was during Fashola's Tenure TBH. Duing his Tenure, I saw significant changes but you see all these other governors, something is wrong with them when you look deeply.

The rebuilding too slow

FatherOfJesus:
You are busy creating many things from thin air without telling us the actual limitations of states. You are the person showing gross ignorance of how stuffs work?

A state can even construct a federal road and not ask for refund. The approval boils down to funds.

Tinubu rehabilitated Agege motor road and didn't request for any refund. Go and check.

You are looking for every silly and flimsy excuses to justify the infrastructural deficit in Lagos State.

You are yet to tell us why Lagos still has bad state roads, no state water board and proper transport system. Do they need FG permission for that?

Lagos has the longest road at stretch constructed between 1999 and today despite being the smallest state.

Lagos state has the highest and number of bridge apart from Abuja.

Lagos state is one of the few state that pays it's CS above minimum wage.

Lagos state attracts highest foreign direct investment in Nigeria.

Lagos state still generates the highest IGR in the nation

In all Lagos is still number one, what is that your point again.

FatherOfJesus:
You are busy creating many things from thin air without telling us the actual limitations of states. You are the person showing gross ignorance of how stuffs work?

A state can even construct a federal road and not ask for refund. The approval boils down to funds.

Tinubu rehabilitated Agege motor road and didn't request for any refund. Go and check.

You are looking for every silly and flimsy excuses to justify the infrastructural deficit in Lagos State.

You are yet to tell us why Lagos still has bad state roads, no state water board and proper transport system. Do they need FG permission for that?

This is a untrue. Bring out fact to justify this claim. Not at a time Lagos was having financial issue due to the seized allocation of LG funds by Obasanjo

babasolution:
The main issue with Lagos now is improper inorganisation,very poor transport system(this is the area I fault Lagos the most) and law enforcement, Lagos is anything goes.if there is proper organisational policy and enforcement and better modern transport Lagos will improve alot,like the okada ban,is a right step,

I am going to share my experience with you. I work in Marina and live in Surulere.
There was a time a section of eko bridge was closed for rehabilitation in 2020. We suffered. I waste valuable time on that bridge and everytime I am coming back from work I observed the huge traffic on the bridge and the empty waterway then I ask myself; what's stopping Lagos State government to properly invest in maritime? Is it not stupid that we are spending hours on this bridge and the waterways are empty?
The lagoon is a serious resource that Lagos State government has not investing properly in, just look at cities like vienna, Amsterdam and even Cairo (river nile) make good use of their waterways when I visired.
Do you know how far this will go in emptying the roads?
Do you know how much you will save on road rehabilitation?
The lagoon connects almost every major parts of Lagos, from Epe, Ikorodu, ajah, ikoyi, V.I, Lagos island, Apapa, festac, ojo, and Badagry and yet it's always almost empty.

Lagos State government is not serious, they are busy chasing shadows. I swear.

buckeyemedia:
But the number 1 Seaport users are from South East Nigeria?

True or not?

.what do you mean by No. 1?
Your saying Igbos use the port more than companies like Dangote, Golden Penny, Honeywell, Promacidoll, Nestle, UAC and co ?

Ttalk post=1141i24126:
This is a untrue. Bring out fact to justify this claim. Not at a time Lagos was having financial issue due to the seized allocation of LG funds by Obasanjo

you don't know anything, you arguing blindly.

Obasanjo did not cease Lagos State allocation. obasanjo ceased Lagos State "local government" allocations because Tinubu was running proxy LCDAs

Na we know werin dey happen for Lagos

FatherOfJesus:
I am going to share my experience with you. I work in Marina and live in Surulere.
There was a time a section of eko bridge was closed for rehabilitation in 2020. We suffered. I waste valuable time on that bridge and everytime I am coming back from work I observed the huge traffic on the bridge and the empty waterway then I ask myself; what's stopping Lagos State government to properly invest in maritime? Is it not stupid that we are spending hours on this bridge and the waterways are empty?
The lagoon is a serious resource that Lagos State government has not investing properly in, just look at cities like vienna, Amsterdam and even Cairo (river nile) make good use of their waterways when I visired.
Do you know how far this will go in emptying the roads?
Do you know how much you will save on road rehabilitation?
The lagoon connects almost every major parts of Lagos, from Epe, Ikorodu, ajah, ikoyi, V.I, Lagos island, Apapa, festac, ojo, and Badagry and yet it's always almost empty.

Lagos State government is not serious, they are busy chasing shadows. I swear.

Private investors are not investing in the water ways, it might not be that profitable maybe, or something

Ttalk:
Lagos and it's people bears the burden of millions of weak and failure government that spread across Nigeria. Lagos would have been better, if it sits within active states and visionary leaders that compliment her rather than these parasite that leech and exploit the little that comes out of the state.

Lagos state would have been better if the inhabitants that came in Ghanamustgo bags having benefitted from the labour of Lagos is patriotic to give back and be objective in criticism rather than the pull it down syndrome of many that wanted Lagos to burn down to aches

Only Igbos are jealous of Lagos. I'm Yoruba. Born and bred in Lagos. Lagos is my home ;the only home I know. I've been saying that the money I pay to government in Lagos isn't commemorate to amenities I enjoy in Lagos .ive been fortunate to travel outside Nigeria and I know I deserve better .

Ttalk:
Lagos has the longest road at stretch constructed between 1999 and today despite being the smallest state.

Lagos state has the highest and number of bridge apart from Abuja.

Lagos state is one of the few state that pays it's CS above minimum wage.

Lagos state attracts highest foreign direct investment in Nigeria.

Lagos state still generates the highest IGR in the nation

In all Lagos is still number one, what is that your point again.

we have talked about why this is it.
Do you have comprehension issues?
You are dragging us back

Minjim:
Only Igbos are jealous of Lagos. I'm Yoruba. Born and bred in Lagos. Lagos is my home ;the only home I know. I've been saying that the money I pay to government in Lagos isn't commemorate to amenities I enjoy in Lagos .ive been fortunate to travel outside Nigeria and I know I deserve better .

Anyone who travels outside of this country will never rate Lagos.
I use to think Lagos was cool until I visited Mumbai and then other parts of Europe then I realized that Lagos is a glorified Slum.

babasolution:
The main issue with Lagos now is improper inorganisation,very poor transport system(this is the area I fault Lagos the most) and law enforcement, Lagos is anything goes.if there is proper organisational policy and enforcement and better modern transport Lagos will improve alot,like the okada ban,is a right step,

That's an objective point, But lagos can't do anything about it because it has no power of such based on the type of federating system that is strange to human.

Nigeria as a whole can not develop beyond these cosmetics we see, it's not the fault of the state government but the fault of the entire nation that have refused to restructure and set the country on the part of development.

Singling Lagos for blame is the height of injustice when the system is anathema to development

babasolution:
Private investors are not investing in the water ways, it might not be that profitable maybe, or something

I am going to share another thing with you.

My friend works with a foreign Martine company in V.I (I will withhold name for prosterity measures) they have been seeking to start inland maritime transportation in Lagos but lagos state government won't allow because they feel it will sabotage Tinubu Lekki toll gate proceeds and also local government NURTW proceeds. Can you imagine ?

This is a real time probelm .Lagos State government no serious

FatherOfJesus:
Who left them to decay? Is it the same Lagos State government?

I agree with you on a lot of things, sincerely but the only significant rebuilding I have seen was during Fashola's Tenure TBH. Duing his Tenure, I saw significant changes but you see all these other governors, something is wrong with them when you look deeply.

The rebuilding too slow

The approval of rehabilitation of Lagos Badagry road took over 7 years, with many frustrating conditions from the FG, how will you expect speedy development in such condition

FatherOfJesus:
Ok, educate me on any major infrastructure change in Lagos since 1991 until date aside the little efforrs made by fashola on Lagos badagry expressway, Lawma and BRT.
See dude, in 1991, I fetched water from my public tap in surulere, does that exist now?

In 1991, Apapa was very decent, with scenic views and you could take a proper boat ride to Marina. Go to Apapa today, everywhere Jaga Jaga.

Lagos is very simple. Your have the major Highways; Ikorodu road, apapa-oworonski, berger to Island via 3mb, constain to Apapa, bonny camp to Epe, iganmu to Badagry, Empire mushin to Sango. Lagos don finish so.
Aside Iganmu to Badagry that Fashola worked on (although very low and until date, the work never pass iyana iba) and addition BRT to Ikorodu road and expansion from Mile12 to Ikorodu garage (still by fahsola), the Fraudulent expansion of ozumba mbadiwe to Abraham adesanya, there not been any major substantial improvement in Lagos vis-a-vis the revenue.

Lagos Island in 1991 was more orderly than it is today. Go and check

Who lived along Lekki-Ajah in 1991?

Was there an EPZ along that route in 1991?

Can you point to the businesses that were along that axis in 1991?

Should we look at real estate?

Ttalk:
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The approval of rehabilitation of Lagos Badagry road took over 7 years, with many frustrating conditions from the FG, how will you expect speedy development in such condition

And after how many years since construction started, they still have not passed Iyana Iba. Lagos State government after Fashola na joke. Seriously
Right niw, federal government has even taken over the project under the trans-west African road peoject.

FatherOfJesus:
I am going to share another thing with you.

My friend works with a foreign Martine company in V.I (I will withhold name for prosterity measures) they have been seeking to start inland maritime transportation in Lagos but lagos state government won't allow because they feel it will sabotage Tinubu Lekki toll gate proceeds and also local government NURTW proceeds. Can you imagine ?

This is a real time probelm .Lagos State government no serious

That's what they were told and by whom?

Golan007:
Who lived along Lekki-Ajah in 1991?

Was there an EPZ along that route in 1991?

Can you point to the businesses that were along that axis in 1991?

Should we look at real estate?

What's in Ajah today, you think development is about building houses that do not have access to infrastructure? Lol, Ajah people can't even boast of good borehole water.

That's like building more glorified slums. I cannot live in Ajah for anythjng, a location that has only one access road with pain in the ass traffic everyday. Is that development?

Minjim:
.what do you mean by No. 1?
Your saying Igbos use the port more than companies like Dangote, Golden Penny, Honeywell, Promacidoll, Nestle, UAC and co ?

You know when they buy motorcycle parts and Yago wine, they believe they are the greatest businessmen in the world.

FatherOfJesus:
What's in Ajah today, you think development is about building house that do not have access to infrastructure? Lol

That's like building more glorified slums. I cannot live in Ajah for anythjng, a location that has only one access road with pain in the ass traffic everyday. Is that development?

How many access roads from New Jersey to Manhattan?

Golan007:
How many access roads from New Jersey to Manhattan?

Silly comparison.
Manhattan is a city in another state, New york. New Jersey is another state.

How did you come you with such flawed comparison?

FatherOfJesus:
I am going to share my experience with you. I work in Marina and live in Surulere.
There was a time a section of eko bridge was closed for rehabilitation in 2020. We suffered. I waste valuable time on that bridge and everytime I am coming back from work I observed the huge traffic on the bridge and the empty waterway then I ask myself; what's stopping Lagos State government to properly invest in maritime? Is it not stupid that we are spending hours on this bridge and the waterways are empty?
The lagoon is a serious resource that Lagos State government has not investing properly in, just look at cities like vienna, Amsterdam and even Cairo (river nile) make good use of their waterways when I visired.
Do you know how far this will go in emptying the roads?
Do you know how much you will save on road rehabilitation?
The lagoon connects almost every major parts of Lagos, from Epe, Ikorodu, ajah, ikoyi, V.I, Lagos island, Apapa, festac, ojo, and Badagry and yet it's always almost empty.

Lagos State government is not serious, they are busy chasing shadows. I swear.

Do you know there is still contending issues regarding usage of our waterways, how effective is the state assembly legislation when our waterways is being policed by the FG. All these things looks so simple to you, but would appreciate the complexity and frustration we often encounter in solving things that ordinarily should be supported by all.

FatherOfJesus:
Silly comparison.
Manhattan is a city in another state, New york. New Jersey is another state.

How did you come you with such flawed comparison?

It is easily a connurbation and lots of people live in one and end and work at the other.

FatherOfJesus:
you don't know anything, you arguing blindly.

Obasanjo did not cease Lagos State allocation. obasanjo ceased Lagos State "local government" allocations because Tinubu was running proxy LCDAs

Na we know werin dey happen for Lagos

I'm beginning to see you as a troll. I chose my words and it is stated clearly that LG allocation.

You are beginning to cling unto straws.

Ttalk:
Do you know there is still contending issues regarding usage of our waterways, how effective is the state assembly legislation when our waterways is being policed by the FG. All these things looks so simple to you, but would appreciate the complexity and frustration we often encounter in solving things that ordinarily should be supported by all.

educate me on what the bone of contention is.
You know nothing.

Just tell me what the contention about inland waterway is and you will expose your ignorance by yourself

Ttalk:
I'm beginning to see you as a troll. I chose my words and it is stated clearly that LG allocation.

You are beginning to cling unto straws.

So what has that got to to with Lagos State performance?

Is Lagos State suppose to be touching LGA money?