currentflow:
Says who
Oga try dey research small nah
Yes I can't do dat with the u.s anti aircraft weapon that struggle with a distance of 200km

But with Russia's s-400 and s-500
The f-35 is nothing in the sight of this russia monstrous air defence

BritishNaija:


Mr go and Research not me, you don't know the capabilitiesof f-35, this was how Mr Hypersonic took His luck to quora and get schooled.

Taking out Russia S-400 systems have already be done and dusted by US. Or you don't or have not heard of Radar jammers? You people will just be Typing rubbish without knowing anything.

BritishNaija:


Another backyard analyst, For crying out loud, how do you believe this thing you wrote above?

US will lose all their Aircraft? Jeez, that alone shows you are in square one.

For the benefit doubt, i do like to engage you, Kindly highlight Why you think US will lose all their Aircraft, Since it obvious you are ignorant of the countermeasures of those Aircraft, I do like to engage you, waiting.

AldrichAmes:
Russia, China and North Korea have successfully tested hypersonic missiles. And Russia has used them in Ukraine.

However, the US & its trillion dollar military budget can’t get it right, even with all the scientists they stole from other countries, lol.

Kingsnairaland:
USA will never have a successful hypersonic weapons.

Appleyard:


They will eventually. They're getting closer.

Onigawara:


I mean what I said and I will stand my ground!
Aircraft carriers are literally sitting ducks.
This is not the era when ships were a force to reckon with.

In an all out war, do you realize that the Russians would be putting into use their intercontinental ballistic missiles?

Let's assume a scenario where russia launches a surprise attack, with their ICBM on the naval base where these ships are ducked. Like I said, aircraft carriers are very big ships which would make them a sitting duck. Russia literally sees where they are via satellite images. Meaning, strikes could be called upon them any time and anywhere. The funny thing is, befire russia does that, I mean we all know that Russia dominates in space. So I'd expect Russian space weapons to have taken out us satellites in space, leaving them totally dumbfounded.

If the USA chooses to sail the ships from their docks, and into the sea to reduce the risk of getting dunked, Russia can sent its destroyers and nuclear torpedo submarines after them. It is worth nothing that, just 5 hypersonic missiles could take down a US navy aircraft carriers and ten for the most advanced which is the USS Gerald.

This isn't the era when countries attack blindly without having proper intel on what they're dealing with. These days, there are satellites to monitor enemy movements and the number and capability of enemy you would be facing. Naval battle would be completely disastrous in the next warfare. Why?

Apart from submarines which moves deep in the sea, there's absolutely noway to mask your ship movement in the sea. On land, it is possible to transport military hardwares and troops at nights, without satellites seeing it. It is also possible to camouflage your equipments using trees and leaves.

Meanwhile on sea, moving aircraft carriers to and fro would be seen, giving your enemy the opportunity to set in place, the perfect counters for whatever you're bringing.

For instance, let's assume the USA is moving its naval fleet to attack Crimea or saints pertersburg. The Russians would see the movement glaring and transport bastion coastal anti ship missiles to the coastal cities of saints Petersburg and move too its destroyers, as well as anti submarine aircrafts. Russua would've known how many ships, the nature of the ships, the extimated arrival time and how to counter them. So they will set in place the perfect counter for the attack.


Let me ask you a question. When Japan surprised the US by attacking pearl harbor, we all know that they destroyed pretty much every ship that was docked in the naval base.
The question is, would the result have been the same if the USA had known that they would be attacked? Imagine satellites existed then, and the USA saw Japanese movement with aircraft carriers loaded with bombers and attack aircrafts and destroyers, wouldn't they have prepared for them? Would any of the Japanese ship had escaped that day? No, they would've been crushed

Svlla:


And Russia does not have radar jammer and ways of countering jamming by electronic means? Oh but you don't know that some radars are for anti jamming and electronic warfare

You're a very dumb individual who knows absolutely nothing about radio detection yet claiming expert in radar and avionics

Your Stupidity is marvelling

BritishNaija:




First of all, ICBM are not use to attack moving targets, talkess of Aircraft carrier that is Always on the move. ICBM are desinged Mostly for Nuclear War head, Please don't be writing with boldness of What you don't know.

Again, No one knows Where US Aircraft carriers are in, in Any given moment. (This is another place you are dead wrong, it shows you don't know how big the Ocean is and how difficult it is to track vessels)
And again, even if you manage to detect carrier with a satelite, you only have 15 minutes window Before the orbiting of the satelite lose contact, that is if the vessel is not moving, talkless of moving( this shows you do not have the knowledge of how satelite orbits in space).

Again, you call and Aircraft Carrier a sitting dock (This shows you do not know that Each Aircraft Carriers move with A Carrier Strike Group, and have layers of defence you must defeat,before you can even get to the Carrier itself) and There is No US Enemy or any
one that currently poses that ability.

BritishNaija:


Mr Hypersonic and one of the Dumb fella that argues without knowing nothing, I can't engage in arguement with you, and deal with. It will be insult to my inteligence, all i can do is School you when you are wrong.

There is this saying; He who knows and knows that he knows, follow him, for he's Wise.

But He who knows not, But knows not that he knows not, Shun him, He's a Fool.
The lattar saying depicts You.

Svlla:


I can bet my balls that you don't even know what Radar is

Radar and Avionics expert

BritishNaija:


Again, No one knows Where US Aircraft carriers are in, in Any given moment. (This is another place you are dead wrong, it shows you don't know how big the Ocean is and how difficult it is to track vessels)


And again, even if you manage to detect carrier with a satelite, you only have 15 minutes window Before the orbiting of the satelite lose contact, that is if the vessel is not moving, talkless of moving( this shows you do not have the knowledge of how satelite orbits in space).

redseason:

1) ICBMs are designed to carry both nuclear or conventional warheads.

2)Wrong! Carriers/ships are radar visible just like planes. Reason the US said the zumwalt is stealth(meaning reduced radar cross section), carriers/ships are very visible to radars and satellites. How do you think even civilian ships are tracked? Same way both civilian and military planes are tracked on radar.

3)True they are moving, but once their geolocation is gotten, an anti ship missile uses a combination of inertia, radar homing and infrared heat seekers to seek the heat coming from the ship. Same technology applies to a moving aircraft fired upon, the missiles simply follow its heat signature despite it still flying at supersonic or subsonic speeds, much less ships.

4) True Carriers move with a carrier strike group which ensures it’s protection, but this is against a small nation that would never dare go confrontational. No carrier group can go close to the waters of a major power because despite its protection, its defenses will be overwhelmed by a barrage of cheap missiles than its anti missile shield can handle and one hit each sinks them on high sea. Which carrier group can sustainable survive say a barrage of 1000 strikes coming with decoys?

Every fact I stated are easily verifiable.

BritishNaija:



But you can't destroy their Jet Aircraft, and They keep building more powerful ones.

BritishNaija:

First of all, ICBM are not use to attack moving targets, talkess of Aircraft carrier that is Always on the move

. ICBM are desinged Mostly for Nuclear War head, Please don't be writing with boldness of What you don't know.

Again, No one knows Where US Aircraft carriers are in, in Any given moment. (This is another place you are dead wrong, it shows you don't know how big the Ocean is and how difficult it is to track vessels)

And again, even if you manage to detect carrier with a satelite, you only have 15 minutes window Before the orbiting of the satelite lose contact, that is if the vessel is not moving, talkless of moving( this shows you do not have the knowledge of how satelite orbits in space).

Again, you call and Aircraft Carrier a sitting dock (This shows you do not know that Each Aircraft Carriers move with A Carrier Strike Group, and have layers of defence you must defeat,before you can even get to the Carrier itself) and There is No US Enemy or any
one that currently poses that ability.

Bro, I can go on and on, Please Before you type things, make Sure you have deep knowledge of What you are saying to avoid embarrassing yourself, Cheers.

Appleyard:


You can't do what? No aircraft is immune to sophisticated defense systems. Ask the US airforce how many aerial vehicles they lost in Vietnam.

tamdun:

And some olodo won't stop bragging about huge US budget for weapon

BritishNaija:


And again, even if you manage to detect carrier with a satelite, you only have [b]15 minutes window Before the orbiting of the satelite lose contact,[/b]that is if the vessel is not moving, talkless of moving( this shows you do not have the knowledge of how satelite orbits in space).

Svlla:


Orbiting of the satelite lose contact in 15 minutes

Gosh! Am embarrassed for this guy

Am only just seeing this now

Pls don't ever talk about satelites here again

Onigawara:


In a conflict with a competent military like mother russia or China, the USA would lose all its aircraft carriers in just the first week of the war. Meanwhile aircrafts are pretty useless long range weapons because they will run out of fuel before reaching their targets if the target is thousands of kilometers away from the border of the aurcraft operator. Ofcourse there are aircrafts too that refuel fighter jets mid air. But like heavy bombers, they're slow and big meaning even the most shitty SAM could take them down in one go, not to even talk about S300, S400 and other proven SAM batteries.


That USA you keep seeing displaying their aircraft carriers, military hardwares and troops in glossy uniforms. Wait till you see them fight an actual competent enemy without nukes. The world realize how vulnerable they are. There is a reason why they keep shying away from engaging mother russia physically in a fight, despite according to western media's, they have more than 20 allies in NATO hence would steamroll russia or China. Their leaders may be useless but I'm sure they're not delusional enough to agree with this common superstition.

BritishNaija:


Bro, relax and learn, don't be like Mr Hypersonic lolz.

ICBM can never be use to attack Carrier, you are dead wrong on that. If you have said Cruise Missile, it a seperate thing.

No onw is arguing with you carrier is visible on radar or not, we are talking about you knowing Where They are at a given time. Another place you are wrong again is the means of how civilian ships are tracked. All ship are tracked from their transponder being on, and not radar, if a ship put of it transponder, the official organizations that are responsible to track this will lose their position.

It's mandatory by the maritime law for all Commercial ships to put on their transponders at any given time, so they could be track. Now Russia tankers and ship are putting of their transponders because of sanctions, so their final destinations or Where about can never be known. If it was so easy to use satelite to track them, I'm Sure putting of their trackers would have been useless.

You number three, Please go and read What Carrier Strike Group are and it layers of defence, that will suffice to you., that It's mission Impossible.




And your number 4, During a war, Carrier strike groups are not Dumb to know what Distance to stay and operate from, you make it sound as if they do dock, They Simply move around in the Ocean, Before Any threat comes within 1000miles to them, They have Seen it already with their reconnaissance Aircraft that is Always in the air. Hope this help Bro.

Onigawara:
Did you even read what I wrote? Please go through what I wrote slowly, and not ignorantly okay?

Let me address all that you wrote step by step


I clearly said in my wrote up that Russia would use ICBM on US aircraft carriers if they are ducked in their naval base and if the USA decides to move them to the sea, then the Russians would send their destroyers equipped with hypersonic missiles and nuclear powered submarine after them. Did you ignorantly skip that part? Seems you did.

you have no military knowledge. ICBM are long range missiles designed to carry both nuclear and conventional warheads as with most nuclear missiles. The iskander is a nuclear missiles as well. But it has capability to also carry not just nuclear warheads, but conventional warheads too, which is why the Russians, are using it in Ukraine

you are ignorant of space satellite. Russia has a team that constantly monitors the movement of us naval equipments via satellite. The USA also has a team that keeps tab on Russian vessel movement. The fact that you think the ocean is too big, hence satellites which literally sees everywhere on this damn earth wouldn't be able to see ship movement is beyond ridiculous. It is laughable


With this reply I should honestly stop replying you cc; svlla see this comment


An aircraft carrier doesn't have any defense whatsoever, apart from maybe a Sam battery that is usually mounted on it. The job of the ship is just to move aircrafts. It relies on other ships eg destroyers frigates and anti air and anti ship missile carrying warships to protect it. All you wrote there is trash sorry to say

Svlla:


Asin they are so brainwashed to the point that they can't think for themselves anymore.

If not for this Russian Ukrainian crisis that has exposed alot of thing many of them will still be living in fantasy land

Appleyard:


US soldiers only brag and swag against third-world nations.

See how their soldiers cried like babies when captured by Iranian coast guards. They will just shiit in their pants when they faced formidable Russian ground forces.

The Iranian Revolutionary guards treated them like ordinary Somali Pirate criminals and Pentagon went mad.

Onigawara:
Did you even read what I wrote? Please go through what I wrote slowly, and not ignorantly okay?

Let me address all that you wrote step by step


I clearly said in my wrote up that Russia would use ICBM on US aircraft carriers if they are ducked in their naval base and if the USA decides to move them to the sea, then the Russians would send their destroyers equipped with hypersonic missiles and nuclear powered submarine after them. Did you ignorantly skip that part? Seems you did.

you have no military knowledge. ICBM are long range missiles designed to carry both nuclear and conventional warheads as with most nuclear missiles. The iskander is a nuclear missiles as well. But it has capability to also carry not just nuclear warheads, but conventional warheads too, which is why the Russians, are using it in Ukraine

you are ignorant of space satellite. Russia has a team that constantly monitors the movement of us naval equipments via satellite. The USA also has a team that keeps tab on Russian vessel movement. The fact that you think the ocean is too big, hence satellites which literally sees everywhere on this damn earth wouldn't be able to see ship movement is beyond ridiculous. It is laughable


With this reply I should honestly stop replying you cc; svlla see this comment


An aircraft carrier doesn't have any defense whatsoever, apart from maybe a Sam battery that is usually mounted on it. The job of the ship is just to move aircrafts. It relies on other ships eg destroyers frigates and anti air and anti ship missile carrying warships to protect it. All you wrote there is trash sorry to say

Onigawara:


The comment made me laugh for like 2 minutes

I feel like tagging the whole nairaland members to come see it

BritishNaija:


Mr go and Research not me, you don't know the capabilitiesof f-35, this was how Mr Hypersonic took His luck to quora and get schooled.

Taking out Russia S-400 systems have already be done and dusted by US. Or you don't or have not heard of Radar jammers? You people will just be Typing rubbish without knowing anything.

Appleyard:


US soldiers only brag and swag against third-world nations.

See how their soldiers cried like babies when captured by Iranian coast guards. They will just shiit in their pants when they faced formidable Russian ground forces.

The Iranian Revolutionary guards treated them like ordinary Somali Pirate criminals and Pentagon went mad.

BritishNaija:


Your Ignorant is bliss. I never said ICBM are designed for ony Nuclear warhead, But Mostly to carry it. All ICBM stationed by Russia and US are strictly for Nuclear Warhead.

You saying that Russia have satelites that keep tracks on US Carriers, sometimes i wonder if most of you operates on bluetooth with Same lack of knowledge. Russia knows not Where US Carriers are and can not track them in real time, jeez Where do you guys buy there lies from?

You can have your satelite to keep a tab on equippmentd leaving dock, But you can not continue to track it.

And for you to say Aircraft Carrier does not have it own defence But to just carry Aircraft gave your lack of knowledge up entirely, I wonder Why i was replying.

Aircraft Carriers have their own defence Like Surface to Air Missiles,For US aircraft carriers, they also have:

Phalanx CIWS (Close in Weapons System)
NATO Sea Sparrow (Sea Sparrow missile)
RAM (Rolling Airframe Missile)
SRBOC (Chaff)
SLQ-32 Electronic Warfare System to mention a few, a lot of dull people are on nairaland.

Appleyard:


The US still have no counter measure against the Russian S-400, they tried all their best toys against it in Syria and it turns out they are laughing behind badly.

Radar Jammers? Everyone have them.

The only counter measure they have at the moment against S-400 is CAATSA.

Onigawara:


A source that backs up your claim that Russian ICBM were designed to carry only nukes?

Meanwhile, even I can keep tabs on us naval fleets.... Not to talk of the Russians who have their own satellite. It is either you know nothing of modern technology, you're ignorant or just be a kid